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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 295

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Car and Driver
From: "Steve Bunnell" <dmcsteve_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Defroster Switch and Custom Speedos
From: "Steve Bunnell" <dmcsteve_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. DMC Gadgets-Cupholder-Mousepad
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

4. Re: scedt26t7bd001265 and overheating
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Re: Angle drive question
From: "Robert S. Rodgers" <rsrodgers_at_dml_home.com>

6. Re: Angle drive question
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Car and Driver
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

9. New owner
From: "Roger Brogren" <rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com>

10. E-Mail Addresses
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com

11. Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"
From: "Aaron Cake" <lists_at_dml_aaroncake.net>

12. manual transmission woes
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. Protecting your D...
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

14. Re: manual transmission woes
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

15. Re: manual transmission woes
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

16. Re: manual transmission woes
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Protecting your D...
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Auto. Trans Problem
From: dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com

19. scedt26t7bd001265 is now mine!
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com

20. Re: Auto. Trans Problem
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

21. Re: manual transmission woes
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 05:39:03 -0700
From: "Steve Bunnell" <dmcsteve_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Car and Driver

I just finished watching the C&D DeLorean segment that Rodger got to do, and
I loved it, too!  I think Rodger did a great job.  A half hour later, "My
Classic Car" was on TV and they showed a lot of footage from the 1997
Autofest in IN, I believe.  There were about five DeLoreans at that show, as
well.  I believe they interviewed a young man I met at the Nashville show in
'96.  There was one part where all the owners were in their cars and they
all opened their doors at the same time and said in unison, "My Classic Car
will be back after these messages!" (or something to that effect) and the
show went to commercial.  Was anyone on this list at that show?  It looked
like an awesome show to attend.  A lot of great vintage automobiles.  I
think it might be airing again on Sunday at 11:30AMand 4:00PM (Mountain
Time).  I don't know if it will be the same segment, but look for Autofest
'97 and that's the one.  The Car and Driver is airing at 11:00AM and
supposedly at 9:30PM on Sunday (Mountain Time).  A great website to find out
when the show airs in your area is http://www.tvguide.com/listings/

-Steve Bunnell
#11611



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 06:32:12 -0700
From: "Steve Bunnell" <dmcsteve_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Defroster Switch and Custom Speedos

A big THANK YOU to everyone who helped me out with my defroster switch.  I
finally got it back together and I'll know Monday if it works.  I'm also
interested in a custom speedo.  I believe I'm going to buy one of Marty
Maier's 140 MPH Silk Screened decals (if that's still okay with you, Marty).
It looks great in the picture on the Mid-state Delorean Website.  (Marty-
does it really blend in with the rest of the dash, or can you tell it is a
decal?)  I'd also really like to see pictures of the 160 MPH and 170 MPH
Speedos.  Is there any way anyone could scan a picture of their speedo into
the vault?

Dan (Danrc30) - where did you get your 160 MPH speedo?
Chris Parnham - where do the UK cars get theirs?  Are they in KPH? or MPH?

Aren't the numbers on the 160 and 170 speedos a little cramped?  Or do they
look good?  Can anyone scan in their speedos or maybe send me a picture?  Or
does someone have pictures on their website?

-Steve
#11611



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:12:42 -0600
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: DMC Gadgets-Cupholder-Mousepad

I received some information in a private post that I thought would be of
interest to the list. This falls into the "commercial" category (see policy on the dmcnews web page), and I thought it was related enough to the car and recent topics that folks wouldn't mind. It's good to see an aftermarket company targeting the DeLorean. And the vendor was nice enough to ask first.

Both of these links are to the same company. This vendor has no affiliation
to the list etc etc etc. . .

Cupholders - Specific DeLorean design, and illustrated DMC-specific
installation instructions
http://www.deloreandrinkholder.com/auto/delorean/deloreanmain.html

Mouse Pads - not specifically DMC, but since a few people were discussing
this recently, this is certainly an alternative. I'm always a fan of
"do-it-yourself"   http://www.create-a-pad.com

Dave Swingle




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:59:26 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: scedt26t7bd001265 and overheating

Bruce, 
What Dave read off it true but let me add a little. 
#1. Do the fans come on when the air conditioner is turned on.If so 
then proceed forward, or the system could be protecting it's self due 
to no freon.
#2. If not, then you may have a defective otterstat/temp switch.To 
test, unplug the temp switch and jumper with a wire or paperclip.
If you don't won't to do that then, in the heated mode when you think 
the fans should be running, just lightly tap on the pipe where the 
temp/switch is. It may just be stuck open.
#4. Between all the info you get, it all may lead back to the Fan 
Fail relay or the Fan relay or it could be just a wire unplugged from 
under a relay socket. If so. We can help.
John HERVEY 




 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, bduncan_at_dml_v... wrote:
> Does anybody have any info on this car?  It was
> apparently in Allentown, PA for some time.
> 
> This car is for sale by a small dealership in PA
> and the salesman/owner of the place doesn't know
> much about the car (he just purchased the dealership,
> cars and all) but he knows that it overheats.
> 
> I know we have covered this on the list many times,
> but I just want to be sure I know what the possible
> causes are:
> 1. Hoses
> 2. Air in system
> 3. Plastic coolant overflow tank
> 
> Thanks!
> Bruce




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:11:39 -0000
From: "Robert S. Rodgers" <rsrodgers_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Angle drive question

How did you get the angle drive off? I couldn't even get a crescent 
wrench in there.  See my link on "Speedometer Blues" on my service 
page:
http://members.home.net/rsrodgers/DMCservice.htm
(case sensitive!)
Bob

Robert S. Rodgers, Consultant in Electrochemistry
Research Solutions and Resources
bob.rodgers_at_dml_ConsultRSR.com     http://www.ConsultRSR.com 
rsrodgers_at_dml_home.com             http://members.home.net/rsrodgers
                               http://drive.to/delorean-motorcar

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> plastic cup to the drive gear was missing.  I also removed the 
angle drive 
> and it spins freely and looks to be in good shape.  Does this mean 
that my 
> angle drive is unrepairable or can I just install a new rod?  I 
dont see it 





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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:25:30 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Angle drive question

Dave,

The square rod, which is actually a short length of cable, is an intragetal
part of the drive and is not repairable. You have several options including
have yours refurbishing, or purchase a new unit. Check your favorate
DeLorean parts dealer for a details.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 4:38 PM
Subject: [DML] Angle drive question


> Hello,
>     Now that my car is driveable again I want to get the speedometer fixed
> before I put any miles on it(no movement at all right now).  I removed the
> lower cable where it meets the angle drive and spun it with my hand and
the
> speedometer showed movement so I know there must be something wrong with
the
> drive.
>     I removed the wheel and found that the long square rod that connects
the
> plastic cup to the drive gear was missing.  I also removed the angle drive
> and it spins freely and looks to be in good shape.  Does this mean that my
> angle drive is unrepairable or can I just install a new rod?  I dont see
it
> in the parts manual.  Does anyone have a spare rod they would sell?
>



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:30:54 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Car and Driver

Fellow DMLer's
The Car and Driver on this weekend was well worth the wait. Roger, you and 
your Delorean did the marque proud. I think your comment of "It is a fun car 
to drive," says it all. Your car looked great. Thanks for letting us all know 
when it would be on. If you missed it, check previous postings for links to 
dates.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:33:42 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"

Great show. 

You can order a copy of the tape from Car& Driver TV at 1-800-981-
7859.

12.95 +4;.95 s&h. 

Dave Swingle



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> I just moved in and don't have cable or satellite yet. :(
> I'll pay someone time, effort, supplies, and postage to see it. 
Please?
> Kevin Creason
> #4687 (1 month!)





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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:09:07 -0000
From: "Roger Brogren" <rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: New owner

As of Nov 10, VIN 1074 has a new owner.(Fine time, 2 days before the 
first snow storm of the season in Minnesota!)

I have been following the postings here for the last couple of months 
and in spite of my early apprehension and negative comments from some 
friends "in the business" I am by now convinced that this is not just 
an unusual car but a FINE car, so I took the plunge. With this type 
of back-uo available it will be hard to go wrong.

Original owner since -81 to -97. Last owner also meticulous, but only 
drove it about 500 miles and evidently never got deep into the 
technical side of ownership. (So far I have only driven it about 20 
miles.)

Some minor details:
- Doors sag and struts need replacement.
- Battery allegedly weak.
- Original coolant overflow bottle (plastic)
- Cooling hoses etc. replaced 3-4 years ago. Don't know 
if "authorized" replacement parts were used. System looks like a 
plumbers nightmare!
- Trip odometer push button loose.
- Bushings/seals on most pulleys replaced last year, possibly 
necessitated by broken heat shield.

A few quick questions at this time:
- Right front door torsion bar was adjusted (by Bruce Benson) a few 
years ago. In a phone conversation Bruce mentioned that he recall 
that most of the splines were gone, except for about 1/4 inch. Should 
a replacement torsion bar be high on the priority list?

- Car starts fine but once I had to turn the key a couple of times,
(including jiggling the shift lever and clutch)to get the starter 
running. Is there a starter interlock in the 5-speed gerbox system? 

- After reading a lot here about the importance of and evident 
complex cooling system I wonder if an overhaul here is also needed? 
Last owner told me when I first looked at the car that both cooling 
fans were running all the time and I have since learned that they 
shouldn't. Is a "Tankzilla" conversion recommended (rather than 
dinking with each individual relay)?

- What are the dimensions of the heat shield? (Mine appears to be 
broken off along the top of the mounting brackets and to the left of 
the left mounting bracket, looking from the rear.)

- I received the original tires with the car, they are in pretty good 
condition but are they worth saving?

Thanks in advance!
Roger Brogren
VIN 1074







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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:11:37 -0000
From: dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com
Subject: E-Mail Addresses

My Apologies but I hope the moderator will let this through, I had my 
computer upgraded and have unfortunatly lost all of my e-mail 
addresses and past received e-mails. There was a chap named Walter 
who I was in contact with earlier last week and I have unfortunatly 
lost his address I was wondering if he could contact me again on dmc12
(at)btinternet.com (it is a DeLorean related topic we were discussing)

Regards

James RG
UK






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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:06:06 -0000
From: "Aaron Cake" <lists_at_dml_aaroncake.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"

> You can order a copy of the tape from Car& Driver TV at 1-800-981-
> 7859.
> 12.95 +4;.95 s&h. 
> Dave Swingle

Or you can cheat. I have put the video on my server at 
http://www.aaroncake.net/misc/caranddriverdelorean.zip . It is about 
5:30 long and around 25 Meg.

(This is the first time I have posted even though I have been reading 
the DML every since it started out. Unfortunatly, my time situation 
forces me to read messages months after they are posted, so for me 
disccussions are almost impossible. I was in Cleveland, however. Some 
of you might remember me as the kid from Canada with the loud RX-7. 
If you do want to respond to this post, you can email me off-list at 
stuff_at_dml_aaroncake.net . Otherwise, respond on-list and I will be 
reading your message in a few months :-)




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:35:53 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: manual transmission woes

hey all,

i just got an 82 delorean on friday.  unfortunately i've already had a 
problem with it.

today i was just about to shift out of 1st gear (i was downtown and in 
traffic. not going fast, just normal speed) when i pushed in the clutch and 
tried to shift, the stick just went loose and now it's like it's out of 
place.  you can move it around all over the place but it won't stick 
anywhere.  i'm stuck in 1st gear now (i think it's first. might be 2nd).  
does anyone have a clue what is happening here?

just a note - i'm in fargo ND and the roads are all slushy and wet. maybe 
that's a factor?

any help is greatly appreciated.
Andy



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:39:19 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Protecting your D...

I've been wondering recently what most DeLorean owners do to
protect the car.  Do you use an alarm, club, a combination, etc?
(Obviously I'm assuming 99% of owners keep them in some kind of
garage.)  I guess my problem is that I live on a very busy residential
street in central California, where alot of cars get jacked and stolen (more
so in other towns than mine, but it's still California, you know?)  
Basically, I feel like every time I open up my garage door to do
anything on the car, potential thieves are driving by and checking it out 
(there's some scummier people in my neighborhood too...California 
gang-bangers, etc.)

Now maybe I'm over-reacting, and my DeLorean is nowhere near as
nice as other ones out there (although someone who doesn't know
any better wouldn't care.)  But I am concerned...is there any kind
of black market demand for a DeLorean?  Obviously someone who's
going to steal one for personal use in pretty much any given area is
just looking to get caught eventually...I figure it can't be hard for
cops to spot one on the street if they are looking for it.  But you
never know what some crazy person is willing to try.  So I guess
my question is this: I do keep in garaged, (with the only entrance being the
garage door...but if you've seen Gone in 60 Seconds, you know how easy it
can be to open an automatic garage door) it's always locked, with a club
on, and behind it on my driveway I keep another car parked which
blocks it pretty well.  Is there more I can do, or am I freaking out
way too much, even for my neighborhood?  Obviously I know you can't
totally stop someone who's determined to steal your car...but what do other
owners out there do to protect it?

Thanks for any tips,

Richard       



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:02:56 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: manual transmission woes

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> anywhere.  i'm stuck in 1st gear now (i think it's first. might be 2nd).  
> does anyone have a clue what is happening here?

It sounds as though your shifter linkage has come apart.  There are a rod
and a cable that transmit the shifter actions to the gearbox.  It seems to
me like they've become disconnected at the shifter although it could have 
come apart in some other place also.

> just a note - i'm in fargo ND and the roads are all slushy and wet.
> maybe that's a factor?

If there was ice on the linkage, it could have added stress to it and made
it break.  Road goo won't break it but cold weather might...




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:05:04 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: manual transmission woes

Andy

Sounds like you broke the pivot bolt that goes in the middle of the 
shift linkage. If you're lucky it just came unscrewed. 

You have to raise the car, it is in an oval hole in the center of the 
frame. Easy fix once you find it. It is INSIDE the frame.

If you have the parts book, you can see it on page 4/2/0, the ID is 
17, the part number is 110183 from a DMC place. Good luck with it.

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> i just got an 82 delorean on friday.  unfortunately i've already 
had a 
> problem with it.
> 
> today i was just about to shift out of 1st gear (i was downtown and 
in 
> traffic. not going fast, just normal speed) when i pushed in the 
clutch and 
> tried to shift, the stick just went loose and now it's like it's 
out of 
> place.  you can move it around all over the place but it won't 
stick 
> anywhere.  i'm stuck in 1st gear now (i think it's first. might be 
2nd).  
> does anyone have a clue what is happening here?
> 
> just a note - i'm in fargo ND and the roads are all slushy and wet. 
maybe 
> that's a factor?
> 
> any help is greatly appreciated.
> Andy




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:45:07 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: manual transmission woes

You have a broken pivot bolt.  This pivot bolt is accessible from underneath 
the car.  you will have to jack up the car.  Take care to secure the car from 
falling or rolling, once jacked -- since you will have to be under the car to 
get access to it!

It is located on the chassis between the panel and it is close to the 
passengers side. It takes 10 minute repair it, if you have the part to 
replace it.  If you don't have a the part. This part is available from 
several DeLorean part suppliers.  It is cheap under $4.00?  You can also 
fabricate one if you are handy or have access to a lathe to make one.  

They do break due to the "soft material" that it is fabricated from.  I have 
broken two in 5 years of daily driving, so I drilled the last one and 
installed a "hardened" bolt to as a substitute.  So far so good going on the 
second year with this modified one.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY


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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:12:26 -0800 (PST)
From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyJr_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Protecting your D...

list,

dude thats nothing i live in east los angeles mecca of
the gangsters people are allways ways walking buy
looking at my car and i dont have a garage (they
especially like looking at my car when i have other
deloreans (mike,felix,hank,)there. from what ive seen
no ones is really interested in stealing a delorean
they dont need them they allways steal hondas and
acuras they could actually strip and use. 

efren
17 year punk
16072


--- RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com wrote:
> I've been wondering recently what most DeLorean
> owners do to
> protect the car.  



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:39:57 EST
From: dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Auto. Trans Problem

Hi,

       Last month I posted my problem with my automatic transmission. It 
turns out that no trans fluid was getting in, therefore none of the rings and 
clutches in the tranny were being lubricated and burnt. Anyways, the 
transmission was rebuilt and put in. Now heres my new problem, the fluid 
pressure is set to 8 bars, everytime I do the test for the transmission fluid 
that is recommended in the DMC Work book, which is reving your engine up to 
2500 RPMs in drive, everytime I do that, it goes up to 8 bars then drops to 2 
bars. The clutches are slipping, the engine revs up to like 3000 RPMs and I 
only go 10 mph, I press the gas and I go really slow. I think that something 
is wrong with the valve body. Thats just my opinion. Anyone have any ideas of 
whats the problem?

Thanks,
Chris
Rahway, NJ
11388


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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:42:48 -0000
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com
Subject: scedt26t7bd001265 is now mine!

I bought 1265 on saturday!  Its got 30K miles, and some
problems, but i got a GREAT deal.  It overheats (thanks for
all the suggestions), doesn't charge (alternator bad), 
needs new tires, some/all gauges don't work correctly, and
passenger seat needs new leather.  But i could spend
thousands on repairs (and probably will :( ) but will still
be well under the magic "20" rule!

It was my first time seeing a DMC in "real" life...Its
like no other car i've ever driven...Its going to take
A LOT of getting used to!

I want to thank everyone on the list for giving me the
information i needed to really research this car and
to give me the confidence that it can be a reliable
vehicle.

I'm going to have PJ Grady get her back to tip top shape
ASAP.  Can't wait to get her on the road!

bruce





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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 05:06:22 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Auto. Trans Problem

The valve body does not control the line pressure, that is controled 
by the vacum modulater. When you are reading the line pressure it is 
the output pressure directly out of the fluid pump. The main causes 
for a low fluid pressure are the following:
low fluid level (air gets into the fluid)
bad pump (can't pump high enough pressures due to worn clearances)
A RESTRICTION IN THE SUCTION ie: a bad, or plugged up filter or maybe 
you just put the gasket in wrong and are blocking the intake.
If you have driven the car at a low line pressure and slipped the 
clutches then they will need to be replaced again. If there is 
friction materiel in the pan again you wiped out c-1. Another remote 
possibility is a restricted hose or the cooler is plugged up. This can 
be tested by making a bypass test hose in and out of the trans. Do not 
run too long like that or you will overheat the trans quickly but you 
should be able to do it long enough for testing purposes.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757





-- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, dmcdelorean2_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>        Last month I posted my problem with my automatic 
transmission. It 
> turns out that no trans fluid was getting in, therefore none of the 
rings and 
> clutches in the tranny were being lubricated and burnt. Anyways, the 
> transmission was rebuilt and put in. 



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 05:08:26 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: manual transmission woes

Andy and Group,
If you have a hard time finding a pivot bolt in your area, I have a 
S.S pivot bolt kit on the web site. 
www.specialTauto.com
John


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> i just got an 82 delorean on friday.  unfortunately i've already 
had a 
> problem with it.
> 
> today i was just about to shift out of 1st gear (i was downtown and 
in 
> traffic. not going fast, just normal speed) when i pushed in the 
clutch and 
> tried to shift, the stick just went loose and now it's like it's 
out of 



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