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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

2. Re: New owner
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

3. Fwd: Hauling new DeLoreans
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. NJ "Collector" class (WAS: Catalytic converters)
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

5. Re: Protecting your D...
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Re: manual transmission woes
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

7. model cars
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

8. RE: New owner
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

9. Re: Protecting your D...
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Leaky...
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>

11. Online Chat with Stephen Wynne!
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. Frequency valve
From: "chris " <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

13. Thingamabobs and Dohickeys
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

14. Re: Automatic or Manual
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. Re: Frequency valve
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

16. Re: New owner
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

17. Fuel Injector flex lines
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

18. DeLorean for sale
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: Frequency valve
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Leaky...
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:32:38 -0600
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Delorean First time on TNN's "Car and Driver"

I saw the TNN show tonight.  It was a great segment in the show.  The only
thing I noticed was that they gave the incorrect wheel sizes (they said 15
and 16in.).  --But considering all the normal inaccuracies in other
publicity, I guess we can deal with wrong wheel sizes!

Rodger:  You did a great job of keeping things accurate and positive.  Your
car is beautiful.  Congratulations on your TV appearance.

Jake


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodger Vannatter" <rivwindance_at_dml_earthlink.net>

<<Last month I was fortunate enough to use my Delorean with the crew of the
> RTM Productions for a shoot for "Car and Driver" for TNN>>




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:41:09 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: New owner

Roger,

Congratulations, here are answers to your questions

> Should a replacement torsion bar be high on the priority list?
If the door torsion bar splines are damaged it should be replaced.

> Is there a starter interlock in the 5-speed gearbox system?
There is no starter connection through the manual transmission.

> Car starts fine but once I had to turn the key a couple of times,
Based on your Vin your DeLorean may not have the factory issued starter
modification which was issued to correct intermittent starter operation.

> Is a "Tankzilla" conversion recommended
The Tankzilla is a fuel gauge up grade, for the cooling fans you will need
the Fanzilla.

> - What are the dimensions of the heat shield?
There are several heatshields, which one are you describing.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Brogren <rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: [DML] New owner






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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:03:10 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Fwd: Hauling new DeLoreans

I got this email from a guy who used to haul DeLoreans to the dealers 
when they were new. I thought others on the list might find it 
interesting...

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>Dear James; I wish now that I'd had the foresight to purchase a
>DeLorean in 1983. $25000 doesn't seem so much for a car nowadays, but it was
>a little too scary back then. At least I was able to drive and transport what
>we called "the poor mans' Ferrari", hauling out of Port Newark. I primarily
>hauled Chryslers and Volkswagens out of Western Penna. Out of the east,
>German VW's , Mercedes, Mazdas, DeLoreans and a few Ferraris were backhauls
>for me. I still remember the first load of DeLoreans I had picked up in, of
>all places, a closed car dealers'lot in Bridgeport (?) N.J. Due to a contract
>dispute with the Longshoreman's' Association (from what I understand),the
>cars had to be transported off of Port Newark pier inland to satisfy a
>contractual obligation.  I had to load at night (we could load 24 hrs.) off
>my own skids in a gravel lot with only a night watchman for company. Took me
>about 3 hours to load 7 cars.  The next day was like the circus had come to
>town. As I was going down the highway; I was photographed, waved at and ogled
>by lots of people. Stopping to get a cup of coffee was an hour long
>procedure. I'm sure, if I had some literature and sales contracts, I could
>have sold all 7 before I got to the dealers' lot.  Unloading  the cars gave
>me an audience of about 30 people . It was quite a bit of fun , and one of
>the reasons I enjoyed hauling new cars. In all, I had hauled 7 loads of
>DeLoreans, the last load going to St. Paul, Minn. and every load was like the
>first. Memories.........memories....... Anyway, good luck with your
>endeavour. Maybe someday I'll be contacting you for parts. Thank you. Tom




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:03:02 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: NJ "Collector" class (WAS: Catalytic converters)

I recently registered 2 of my cars under the new "Collector" class in New
Jersey.

After going through the process, I cant say that it is of any benefit to us.

1.  The cost is $25 (In addition to your regular registration)
2.  You still have to go to Inspection, and wait for them to get to you (I spent
45 min waiting)
3.  They (only) check your odometer, and you are limited to 2000 miles a year.

After speaking with the people at the Freehold and Eatontown inspection
stations, they said that cars older than 1984 DO NOT get tested on the Dyno. 
They instead use the old idle method.

While my "modified" car will pass the idle test, I tend to get a lot of
questions about missing components..  For the past 7 years playing dumb has
always worked to get me through.  The one advantage is that there will be no
questions with the "Collector" registration.

Meanwhile, NJDMV is not clear on the penalty for going over 2K miles a year.  If
I drive to Memphis in 2002 there is a good chance I will exceed that 2K limit.

So now, after the fact, I question if it was a good move or not.  I keep bugging
my insurance company that there should be a discount on a car with this new type
of registration, but in NJ all insurance is regulated buy the state...  Needless
to say, there will be no discount!

YMMV!

"jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net" wrote:
<SNIP>
> well. I even passed on the dyno although I wasn't too happy about
> letting them drive it. In Jersey after the dyno they race the car onto
> the brake tester and lock up the brakes to make sure all 4 wheels are
> working, you almost don't want to watch! At least they only do it
> every 2 years now. Maybe I should go for the new collecter's class
> license, I won't have to put myself and the car through this again?
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:58:41 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Protecting your D...

Richard,

This has been discussed a few weeks ago on the DML.  The quote that I like
best was from someone who said something to the effect of, "Have you seen a
Delorean?  Yeah, it went that way."  These cars are not anything that you
can go around town in and not be noticed.  I had a guy stop me by the door
of a restaurant that I frequent asking me if I was the guy with the
Delorean.  And I didn't even drive the Delorean that day!

I think that it would be a cool idea at future Delorean shows to have a
video camera filming people getting in and out of their cars.  We could have
contests to see who looks the coolest while doing this.  So many people
watch me open & close those doors that I sometimes feel self conscious.  (Is
my hair straight, is my fly open, do my socks match?).  It's almost like
waving a big stainless steel flag every time you open a door.

I would think that if anyone stole a Delorean, they would have to be very
familiar with what they are getting into.  I've watched passengers get in
and out of mine.  It's rather funny watching them try to figure out how to
open the door from the inside.  If the average person has trouble figuring
out how to get in and out of the car, I can imagine the trouble that some
idiot would have trying to steel one.  And if he got away with it, someone
somewhere would recognize the car or even parts from the car.  I can
describe just about every little imperfection in the body of mine.

About using a club... I don't normally put one on my Delorean because I've
used one (the Club brand) on another car with a leather steering wheel, and
it damaged the leather on the wheel.  Somehow the vinyl or plastic or
whatever the stuff is has managed to scuff the leather.  I'm not sure how it
did this, but it has done it in several places.  I think it has something to
do with the rubbery club parts sticking to the leather and then having the
hot sun and gravity pull the club down once it has gripped the leather.
Before I put a club on my D again, I'm going to cover the rubber pieces with
a felt sleeve.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:45:19 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: manual transmission woes

thanks for all of the tips, DML'rs.  i'll check on the pivot bolt first thing 
in the morning.  hopefully that's the problem, and not something more 
serious. what a bummer!

Andy
11596



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:53:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: model cars

Hi Group-
The correct address for the company that is making the diecast DeLorean is <www.sunstartoys.com> .Here is the contact info if someone wants to call or write them regarding the new model. 
tel:(510)670-0882
fax:(510)670-0883
e-mail: <uscic_at_dml_aol.com>
Their site has nothing listed on the D yet. Once a release date is announced, I will probably order mine through exoticar model company <www.exoticar.com> they specialize in 1/18 scale die cast cars, and they have the lowest prices around. I have bought from them before. Hope this is helpful-Louie

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:40:10 -0800
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: RE: New owner

Roger Brogren wrote:

<snip>
> - After reading a lot here about the importance of and evident 
>   complex cooling system I wonder if an overhaul here is also needed? 
>   Last owner told me when I first looked at the car that both cooling 
>   fans were running all the time and I have since learned that they 
>   shouldn't. Is a "Tankzilla" conversion recommended (rather than 
>   dinking with each individual relay)?

This touches on a theme that is fairly common on the reflector that I
thought I would share my thoughts on. I call the theme "my thingymabob does
not work, should I upgrade the system with a dohicky."

The FanZilla and other 'Zilla upgrades available from PJ Grady are great
products, but I think there is an important first step missing. The 'Zilla
products (and many other upgrades available from various DeLorean suppliers)
enhance the functionality of a correctly functioning system. Such upgrades
should not be a substitute for conducting repairs to malfunctioning systems.
My simplified three-step DMC repair process is:

1) Diagnose the source of the problem
2) Replace the defective component or otherwise conduct repairs to correct
the problem
3) Verify that the repair corrected the problem

All too often, step #1 is skipped and owners proceed directly to #2. My
apologies to Roger for using his post as the catalyst for my message -- his
question is a good one and not one to gloss over. I just wanted to increase
awareness and focus with the group on diagnostic procedures as an essential
first step to making DMC repairs. In the case of the cooling fans staying on
all the time, this can be caused by many different problems including the
car's wiring having been modified by the previous owner. Before installing
the FanZilla (which I recommend as a great improvement -- I'm really happy
with mine), I recommend that the current fan malfunction be first diagnosed
and corrected. The FanZilla is a great product but it will not conduct
repairs to other malfunctions in the system.

		Knut





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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:10:56 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Protecting your D...

   I don't really believe that DeLorean's are targets for theft. Most 
car thieves who steal cars don't get much $ for the vehicles they 
get. So there's not really an incentive to risk taking another car 
you don't know anything about, or how long it will take you to make 
off with it? 
   The people who buy them need to move the cars in a hurry. Whether 
they are stripped for parts, or sold to other people, they have to go 
fast. A DeLorean would be way too hard to unload, and too noticable 
not to trace. Just think; If you're running a successful operation, 
would you be willing to risk it all because of 1 car?
   As for a "black market" for DeLoreans, I'd have to say no here 
as well. Most cars that would be targets are rare classics such as 
old Jaguars, Ferraris, and other very rare classics/exotics. The only 
D's that might fall into this catergory would be the gold cars, and 
MAYBE somthing extremly unique such as VIN 502. The biggest factor is 
(this is gonna hurt) there really are not many people who want 
DeLoreans THAT badly that they would hire a professional to "acquire" 
one for them. With the price of DeLorean's being what they are, it 
would be easier to just buy one from the owner.

Hope this helps other owners sleep a little easier at night!

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:21:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Leaky...

Hi folks, 
   THanks to all that helped with the 'mystery noise'. Turned out to be a
loose can in the trunk(I've been fooled twice now by that one!). Now I have
another problem. I went out to my car yesterday and the floor was wet. It
rained, a lot, here for the first time in 4 weeks. I did drive through some
puddles, although none as deep as the doors.(I know better).
   The floor is just damp, is you lift a the carpet there is a thin film of
condenstation under the front carpet on both the driver/passenger side.(On
the passenger side, you can feel it through the carpet) This is the only
part wet. All other sections of the trunk, seats, interior are dry. What
could've happened? I just got it back from a 500mile trip when I encountered
the problem. I ran the heater the whole way, if this helps.
   I tried looking for a leak but couldn't find one. Just the 'black'
fiberglass floor underneath. Could this just be condensation?(Although it
was enough to dampen the carpet. I did drive from 75 F temps to 20 F temps.
Can anyone help? Thanks.


Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"





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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:27:41 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Online Chat with Stephen Wynne!

Our next online Q&A with Stephen Wynne, owner of De Lorean Motor
Company (Houston) is coming up this week. These sessions give you the
chance to talk and ask questions with one of the top technical
experts in the DeLorean community.

Date: Wednesday,  November 15, 2000
Time: 7pm Central Time
Location: http://www.egroups.com/chat/usadmc

PLEASE NOTE! In order to have access to the chat room, you must be a
subscriber to the DE LOREAN MOTOR COMPANY NEWSLETTER - you can
subscribe using this link:

http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/usadmc?referer=1

Also, the latest version of Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer are
highly recommended!

See you there!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:11:48 -0000
From: "chris " <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Frequency valve

Hi list/DMC joe

I was reading a manual published by Bosch, which covered K jetronic, 
which said the frequency valve recieves a constant 12v feed and the 
ECU pulses the ground. If i connect a voltmeter across the terminals, 
i should get a pulsing 12v? correct?. If there is 12v across the 
valve, if i connect 12v direct i should be able to feel/hear the 
valve clicking?. When the valve has no power i assume it is shut, 
which mean if its not working the engine will run rich? Could this 
cause the cat to glow red?

If there is not 12v at the valve I should check 12v at the lamda 
relay which runs to the frequency valve? and continuity of both 12v 
and negative from the ECU to the valve?

If the Lambda sensor is not working or disconnected i assume the 
valve just work as it should when could on a fixed ratio? This should 
eliminate the sensor if its causing a problem?

Thanks

Chris Vin 16327




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:27:05 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Thingamabobs and Dohickeys

A good example of this happened just recently in the shop. A customer 
came in with malfunctioning door locks, and wanted to know if he 
needed a Lockzilla. We suggested that first we should examine the 
cause of the problem, and upon investigation - HE ALREADY HAD A 
LOCKZILLA. He had recently purchased the car and didn't know the 
Lockzilla was installed. We reset the integrated circuit breaker on 
the Lockzilla and all was well...for a few days, and then the problem 
came back. We had shown him how to reset it, so he reset it and all 
was well well again...for a few days. After tiring of resetting the 
circuit breaker, he brought the car back in. After some 
troubleshooting and further investigation, we diagnosed the ROOT of 
the problem and corrected it properly. He still has the Lockzilla, 
but doesn't need to reset the circuit breaker at all anymore.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



In response to a posting, Knut Grimsrud wrote:

>
>This touches on a theme that is fairly common on the reflector that I
>thought I would share my thoughts on. I call the theme "my thingymabob does
>not work, should I upgrade the system with a dohicky."
>

(SNIP)

>My simplified three-step DMC repair process is:
>
>1) Diagnose the source of the problem
>2) Replace the defective component or otherwise conduct repairs to correct
>the problem
>3) Verify that the repair corrected the problem
>
>All too often, step #1 is skipped and owners proceed directly to #2. My
>apologies to Roger for using his post as the catalyst for my message -- his
>question is a good one and not one to gloss over. I just wanted to increase
>awareness and focus with the group on diagnostic procedures as an essential
>first step to making DMC repairs. In the case of the cooling fans staying on
>all the time, this can be caused by many different problems including the
>car's wiring having been modified by the previous owner. Before installing
>the FanZilla (which I recommend as a great improvement -- I'm really happy
>with mine), I recommend that the current fan malfunction be first diagnosed
>and corrected. The FanZilla is a great product but it will not conduct
>repairs to other malfunctions in the system.
>
>		Knut



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:56:40 GMT
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic or Manual

A Fleetwood, being a luxury car, doesn't seem quite RIGHT having a standard 
tranny.  Thus a DeLorean, a sporty car, doesn't seem quite RIGHT with an 
automatic.  Drive Stainless   (& Standard? :)  )   Robert


>From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DML] Automatic or Manual
>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:49:38 -0500
>
>Robert,
>
>What do you mean by that?
>
>"We're here to help you"
>
>DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
>Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: robert parker <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [DML] Automatic or Manual
>
>
> > A Delorean with an automatic is like unto a Fleetwood with a 4-Speed..
> > Drive Stainless  Robert  VIN 6924
> >
> >
> > >From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
> > >Subject: [DML] Automatic or Manual
> > >
> > >I have been wanting to know the pros and cons of owning a manual or an
> > >automatic.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:22:24 -0000
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Frequency valve

Hi list

I checked the frequency valve by connecting negative on the voltmeter to the
engine, and positive to the +12v on the frequency valve, and there is 12v
present. now can i connect the positive to the battery + and negative to the
other connection on the frequency valve to check the ecu connection?

thanks

Chris vin 16327


----- Original Message -----
From: chris <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:11 PM
Subject: [DML] Frequency valve


> Hi list/DMC joe
>
> I was reading a manual published by Bosch, which covered K jetronic,
> which said the frequency valve recieves a constant 12v feed and the
> ECU pulses the ground. If i connect a voltmeter across the terminals,
> i should get a pulsing 12v? correct?. If there is 12v across the
> valve, if i connect 12v direct i should be able to feel/hear the
> valve clicking?. When the valve has no power i assume it is shut,
> which mean if its not working the engine will run rich? Could this
> cause the cat to glow red?
>
> If there is not 12v at the valve I should check 12v at the lamda
> relay which runs to the frequency valve? and continuity of both 12v
> and negative from the ECU to the valve?
>
> If the Lambda sensor is not working or disconnected i assume the
> valve just work as it should when could on a fixed ratio? This should
> eliminate the sensor if its causing a problem?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Vin 16327
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:34:21 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: New owner

Robert, 
Since were plugging products, I guess I will rasie my own flag. 
( The Fan Fix ) was designed to fit the fan problem and to address 
the low voltage problem at the same time. With proper product applied 
to the problem and it doesn't cost a arm and a leg to Fix it $65.00. 
It doesn't cover it up or anything else. It just flat Fixes it. 
Something I'm sure De Lorean would have done if given the time. The 
( De Lorean 140 )amp alternator is another product I build that will 
give the De Lorean plenty of power in those needed applications.I do 
it for almost half of other peoples cost with Delco parts and life 
warr. The De Lorean has some underated relays used in certain 
applications that i'm sure again it would have changed. I matched the 
right product to the problem. Same as in the (The Fan Fail Fix). I 
match the right products to the problem to correct it, not cover it 
up.  
If you have heard of the old saying, get the heat out of the kitchen.
That's what i do with the Main Relay that operates some of the most 
critical parts of the car. Get the heat out of the kitchen. ( Amps )
That's what I do with what I build.
Hopes this helps in your decisions of what to buy, do or build 
yourself in the future.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Roger Brogren" <rbrogren_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> As of Nov 10, VIN 1074 has a new owner.(Fine time, 2 days before 
the 
> first snow storm of the season in Minnesota!)
> 
> I have been following the postings here for the last couple of 
months 
> and in spite of my early apprehension and negative comments from 
some 
> friends "in the business" I am by now convinced that this is not 
just 
> an unusual car but a FINE car, so I took the plunge. With this type 
> of back-uo available it will be hard to go wrong.
> 
> Original owner since -81 to -97. Last owner also meticulous, but 
only 
> drove it about 500 miles and evidently never got deep into the 
> technical side of ownership. (So far I have only driven it about 20 
> miles.)
> 
> Some minor details:
> - Doors sag and struts need replacement.
> - Battery allegedly weak.
> - Original coolant overflow bottle (plastic)
> - Cooling hoses etc. replaced 3-4 years ago. Don't know 
> if "authorized" replacement parts were used. System looks like a 
> plumbers nightmare!
> - Trip odometer push button loose.
> - Bushings/seals on most pulleys replaced last year, possibly 
> necessitated by broken heat shield.
> 
> A few quick questions at this time:
> - Right front door torsion bar was adjusted (by Bruce Benson) a few 
> years ago. In a phone conversation Bruce mentioned that he recall 
> that most of the splines were gone, except for about 1/4 inch. 
Should 
> a replacement torsion bar be high on the priority list?
> 
> - Car starts fine but once I had to turn the key a couple of times,
> (including jiggling the shift lever and clutch)to get the starter 
> running. Is there a starter interlock in the 5-speed gerbox system? 
> 
> - After reading a lot here about the importance of and evident 
> complex cooling system I wonder if an overhaul here is also needed? 
> Last owner told me when I first looked at the car that both cooling 
> fans were running all the time and I have since learned that they 
> shouldn't. Is a "Tankzilla" conversion recommended (rather than 
> dinking with each individual relay)?
> 
> - What are the dimensions of the heat shield? (Mine appears to be 
> broken off along the top of the mounting brackets and to the left 
of 
> the left mounting bracket, looking from the rear.)
> 
> - I received the original tires with the car, they are in pretty 
good 
> condition but are they worth saving?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Roger Brogren
> VIN 1074




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:45:17 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Fuel Injector flex lines

My friend and I were discussing the DeLorean fuel injection system today and we came up with an issue that I am curious about whether or not our conclusion was correct.  The question is:  If I were to replace my fuel lines supplying the injectors and installed the wrong hose size (larger inside diameter than stock), would this effect the operation of the system in any way?

Our conclusion was that no matter what the size of the tube, as the fuel in added by the fuel distributor, the amount exiting should be the same as stock.  In other words, the fuel line is only a reservoir for "holding" the fuel as it is moved to the injector.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:43:24 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean for sale

I just found a low mileage (nct tires and all) DeLorean for sale
It runs good, looks good,  needs a little cosmetic work but it can be cleaned 
up to concourse level.  Frame and undercarriage is clean (undercoated)
It is an 83 VIN 16899 5 speed very clean interior. 

e-mail is slavsrwe_at_dml_earthlink.net

It is listed in Hemmings for $19,000 firm.
and its less than a mile from my house.





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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:26:02 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Frequency valve

Chris, 
I know you directed your QA to DMC Joe . But you have to have an oscilloscope 
or a dwell meter to see the 70cps and the opening and closing of the FQ 
valve. My scope will capture the time of opening and closing so I can check 
lambda / FQ valve for proper operation. But the trace is to light to put on 
the web site. Try to find someone with a scope or dwell meter to connect to 
the diagnostic plug or terminal 17 of the lambda. Then you can see whats 
going on.  
John Hervey



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:24:54 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Leaky...

Check the bolts on the bottom of the car that hold the seats in 
place. Water had a habit on my car of leaking in around these bolts. 
Some clear, non-shrinking siliconeII did the trick!

-Robert
vin 6585




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