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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Colors?
From: azclosets_at_dml_yahoo.com

2. New Poll up: Occupations
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com

3. Re: Dwell meter (was Frequency valve)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Auto Trans pressure gauge (was Re: Auto. Trans Problem)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. My D died twice in a month. Beat that!
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

6. Auto Trans pressure gauge (was Re: Auto. Trans Problem)
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. DMC theft
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

8. Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>

9. oil filters - which one for a D?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Subject: Re: Protecting your D look!!!
From: "CBL302" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

11. Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

12. Re: Colors?
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

13. Re: Colors?
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

14. Re: DMC theft
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

15. Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

16. possible overheating
From: Wilmoth Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

17. Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

18. Trouble Free Trip
From: milestwo_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: 2001 DOA?
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

20. no dash lights
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

21. Painted DeLoreans
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

22. Learning Channel program...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

23. Re: [Colors?]
From: james sawyer <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>

24. Re: oil filters - which one for a D?
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:16:10 -0000
From: azclosets_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Colors?

I really hate to do it but I am forced to.

Paint, YUK!

I promised myself a Delorean by my 35th birthday, well that is a 
few weeks away and I don't have the 20 grand to lay out for a 
really nice one so I have found one that needs tons of work, at a 
price that I just can't pass up.

Problem is, it needs a lot of body work, nothing major but every 
panel has something wrong with it. For what it would cost to 
have them repaired or replaced, I would again be looking at the 
20K total which I don't have.

I was wondering if anyone here had any pictures of  painted  cars 
that they could send to me or direct me to any website that has 
pictures. I would like to look at a few evamples before I made my 
paint choice. (which right now it white).

Thanks a lot.

Jim Kaiser

AZclosets_at_dml_youhh.com




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:13:14 -0000
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com
Subject: New Poll up: Occupations

Ends in a month....interested to see what everyone does.

bruce




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:43:45 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Dwell meter (was Frequency valve)

Walt,

Check out NAPA's Dwell/Tach/Volts Tester #700-2332.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: [DML] Dwell meter (was Frequency valve)


> Same as my previous message, can anyone say where to buy a good dwell
meter?
> Is there a NAPA part # for a good one?
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:46:50 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Trans pressure gauge (was Re: Auto. Trans Problem)

NAPA Automatic Transmission & Engine Oil Pressure Tester #700-1520

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: [DML] Auto Trans pressure gauge (was Re: Auto. Trans Problem)


> Can someone say where to buy a suitable pressure gauge for the
transmission?
> I'm sure that several configurations can be built from scratch, but does
> NAPA or some other place sell something that is meant for this job?
Knowing
> a NAPA part # would be great.
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:48:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!

Hey guys,

As some of you know, I'm a new DeLorean owner (4 months). So far, so good,
except for when I'm in the rain. A couple weeks ago I had a problem with
the cooling system, but a stainless tank and a new hose fixed me
up. Tonight (again in the rain), I felt the car acting sluggish as soon as
I started driving. I stopped at a gas station to make sure water hadn't
gotten into the fuel pump. There was a bit of water on the rubber boot,
but the boot wasn't loose or cracked. I dried it up and got on the
highway. I felt it acting sluggish again, so I pulled off at the next exit
and the car stalled. I pushed it to a lot, but somehow got it started
again. I crept 5 blocks to my office, having problems all the way. 

So here's what I know about my car. I do not have a throttle cover. I
believe I read that this prevents rain from doing harm in some way or
another. I also don't have the muffler heat shields (but I can't see why
this would be it). That's all I know of as far as missing parts.

Does anyone have any advice? I just know that when I get to work tomorrow
the car will run fine until the next time it rains. I'd rather find the
problem and fix it than just dodge rain. 

Also, since I'm new to the bay area, does anyone know a good DeLorean
mechanic in the south bay area? I saw a DeLorean parked in front of a
house literally right around the corner from my office in Mountain View,
so I know I must be close. :)

Thanks,
Christian




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:39:05 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Auto Trans pressure gauge (was Re: Auto. Trans Problem)

The pressure gauge is nothing special. All that is required is a guage 
that reads to a maximun of approx 150 psi with a hose of suitable 
length and an assortment of adapters to fit the trans test port.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Can someone say where to buy a suitable pressure gauge for the 
transmission?
> I'm sure that several configurations can be built from scratch, but 
does
> NAPA or some other place sell something that is meant for this job? 
 Knowing
> a NAPA part # would be great.
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:09:58 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: DMC theft

I've heard of parts being ripped of people's cars but I have yet to hear
of a car actually being stolen.  My feeling is that if someone REALLY
wants your car they are going to get it.  No club or alarm or cutoff
switch will stop those with the talent for stealing cars.  It's their
business and they are good at it.  Here in Maine it's less of a problem,
mostly dumb hicks looking to steal radios (I'm a native Mainer so it's
ok for me to call them hicks, right?) It would be a good poll question
to see how many people have first hand knowledge of a DeLorean being
stolen. Look for this poll soon!!!

Tom
vin 005732 MT

visit OUTATIME81 the home of my 1981 DMC.
http://geocities.com/outatime81/




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:12:10 -0000
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>
Subject: Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_f...> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> As some of you know, I'm a new DeLorean owner (4 months). So far, so 
good,
> except for when I'm in the rain. 
> Thanks,
> Christian

I would guess that the problem is water in and around the 
spark plugs.  Do your plug leads have gaiters that cover the 
spark plug wells?

Mike Griese




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:07:46 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: oil filters - which one for a D?

hey all,

i'm going to be doing my first oil change on my 82 delorean.  i just got it 
last week, and it's going into storage tonight.  i just wanted to put some 
fresh oil in it over the winter.  

the problem is, i can't find any books at my local auto stores that have a 
filter listing for a delorean.  can someone out there tell me which band and 
type to buy?

what seems to be the best filters in a delorean?  i probably don't need the 
best since it will be in storage and i'll do another oil change when i get it 
out next spring.

any input is appreciated,
Andy
11596



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:12:20 -0500
From: "CBL302" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Subject: Re: Protecting your D look!!!

THE only true way of protecting your Delorean is the ultimate way,and that
is, what the previous owner of "Vixen" maybe was thinking,if you take your
Delorean apart into a million parts(pieces),nobody will steal it.Well it
did, work nobody did steal it. Yea,but I really think that it was something
to do with a divorce settlement,I could just hear it now.....You want the
"D"... well come and get it !!!!


Claude
000570






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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:37:10 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!

There are a few things you could check out.

First, shine a flashlight into the vent at the rear of the passenger 
side quarter panel.  This is where the engine takes in it's air.  Look 
down and see if anything is blocking the drain to allow water out.  If 
this is clogged water may be getting into your intake messing up the 
compustion process.  Also follow the intake plumbing from the pontoon 
to the air cleaner assembly.  If you accidentally torn or loosened 
somthing when replaceing your header bottle, this could also allow 
water to get into the engine.

Another possible problem could be the boots around your spark plugs 
and fuel injectors.  If they are out of place or damaged, water may be 
seaping into the engine or plug wells and causing similar problems as 
water in the intake would.

Watch your temperature.  Without a heat shield around the muffler, it 
could be heating up your engine more than it can cool.  A hot (but not 
yet overheated) engine can loose performance, but probably nothing 
like you described.

The throttle shield recall is primarily so the throttle spool doesn't 
freeze or stick.  If your pedal has full movement without any 
problems, dont worry about it.  (Just dont drive below freezing).

Jim Reeve
'81 DeLorean - #6960
AIM - Ultra2169
http://www.dmcultra.com




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:40:46 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Colors?

Here is a website with exactly what you asked for.  Its not mine, but 
I visit here every now and then just to see what other people have.  
Its called Painted DeLoreans, can you get any more specific than that?

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm

Jim Reeve
'81 DeLorean (unpainted) #6960
AIM - Ultra2169
http://www.dmcultra.com




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:01:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Colors?

[Sent to entire list because this is a pretty cool site]

Jim,

Take a look at this site:

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/

Just pick a color!

-Christian


On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 azclosets_at_dml_yahoo.com wrote:

> I really hate to do it but I am forced to.
> 
> Paint, YUK!
> 
> I promised myself a Delorean by my 35th birthday, well that is a 
> few weeks away and I don't have the 20 grand to lay out for a 
> really nice one so I have found one that needs tons of work, at a 
> price that I just can't pass up.
> 
> Problem is, it needs a lot of body work, nothing major but every 
> panel has something wrong with it. For what it would cost to 
> have them repaired or replaced, I would again be looking at the 
> 20K total which I don't have.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone here had any pictures of  painted  cars 
> that they could send to me or direct me to any website that has 
> pictures. I would like to look at a few evamples before I made my 
> paint choice. (which right now it white).
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Jim Kaiser
> 
> AZclosets_at_dml_youhh.com
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:24:37 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: DMC theft

The two parts cars that I have were stolen.  Not by me, but back in 
1982 when the company went out of business.  They were stolen at the 
same time from the same lot.  The thiefs raced around a little and 
then crashed one, and lit the other on fire.
They got into the one they crashed by using a crowbar on the door and 
pulling the stainless away from the window.  The other had the window 
smashed out.  Ironicly, they had the key to turn the car on...and 
no...they weren't early '81s...they were '82s.  Can someone say 
"insurance fraud".  Anyway, there's my first hand of 2 deloreans 
getting stolen.

Erik Geerdink

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> I've heard of parts being ripped of people's cars but I have yet to 
hear
> of a car actually being stolen.  My feeling is that if someone 
REALLY
> wants your car they are going to get it.  No club or alarm or cutoff
> switch will stop those with the talent for stealing cars.  It's 
their
> business and they are good at it.  Here in Maine it's less of a 
problem,
> mostly dumb hicks looking to steal radios (I'm a native Mainer so 
it's
> ok for me to call them hicks, right?) It would be a good poll 
question
> to see how many people have first hand knowledge of a DeLorean being
> stolen. Look for this poll soon!!!
> 
> Tom
> vin 005732 MT
> 
> visit OUTATIME81 the home of my 1981 DMC.
> http://geocities.com/outatime81/




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:09:31 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!

Christian, I can beat that.  My DeLorean conked out on me about six times in
the first month I owned it.  I was worried that I had acquired a lemon.  John
Truscott of the DOA was very helpful and encouraging to me, and he diagnosed
that I had a fuel problem.

It turned out to be very simple: my DeLorean stopped running every time it ran
out of gas!  The gas in my tank was all in my head.

The reading on my gas gauge had no relationship to what was in my tank.   The
problem was with the original fuel sender, which (on my car) was very
unreliable.  If your DeLorean has not been upgraded to a Tankzilla, then at
the very least you should find out about any quirks your fuel gauge system may
have.

My advice to new owners with this sort of trouble is: Before you try to
"repair" your car, make sure you have plenty of gas by some means other than
the fuel gauge.

You do need to worry about water on the fuel pump.  The windshield drain that
drowns DeLorean fuel pumps is a well-known design problem from the factory.
Search the DML back issues for discussions of symptoms and cures.

> I do not have a throttle cover. I believe I read
> that this prevents rain from doing harm in some
> way or another.

WARNING!  THIS CAN BE DANGEROUS!

The throttle cover does not just prevent harm from coming to your DeLorean.
It also protects YOU.  Without the cover, water can get into the throttle
cable, where it can sit for months.  If the temperature drops below freezing
you could develop ice in your throttle cable, which can leave you unable to
control the speed of your engine.  Obviously this is dangerous.  Install
something to cover that area.

Or move to the desert.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:28:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Wilmoth Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: possible overheating


My Delorean could possibly be overheating.  I took it out today for a 
drive and the temperature gauge rose all the way to 260 degrees.  the 
cooling fans cut on and off occanionaly.  i let the car idle at 260 
degrees for about 5 minutes and nothing happened.  i then tapped the 
accelator and the temperature gauge went down to 220.  Does this sound 
like the gauge is wrong?  Or is more serious?

Thanks
  Willie
  Vin 5043



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:30:37 EST
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: My D died twice in a month. Beat that!

Christian,

I had a similar experience in Auburn, Indiana last year, which was quite 
unnerving since South Carolina is home.  The car acted very sluggish and 
wouldn't take extra gas.  It was pouring rain on the interstate, and I could 
only go more than 55MPH without the car sputtering.  At first I thought the 
problem was the fact that I was low on gas.  It ran fine after I filled it 
up.  I had a problem two mornings later when there was a heavy fog all night. 
 I continued to have this problem once I got the car home everytime there was 
heavy moisture in the air be it from rain or fog. It turned out that my 
distributor had a small crack and moisture was collecting inside the cap.  A 
new distributor and plug wires and the problem was solved.  

Brian
VIN 1597



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:32:41 EST
From: milestwo_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Trouble Free Trip

To all we read about repairs and problems with our D's, I just got back from 
the DOA convention in Las Vegas. 1728 miles round trip and the only little 
hitch was a tail not working (bad ground connection). Sure beat's the heck 
out of all those new cars sitting on the side of the road waiting for a tow 
truck. Not bad for a 19 year old car. Road conditions ranged from bright 
sunshine to packed snow on the way home. Mileage ranged from 25 to 28 mpg at 
70 mph. So to all who wonder how dependable the D's are, this one run's like 
a champ with 56k miles on it now. Last comment, used less than 1/2 quart of 
oil and some of this is a small oil leak that we haven't repaired yet.
DRIVE THEM---THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE BUILT FOR
Lloyd---#3502 


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:41:30 -0800
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: 2001 DOA?

The 2001 DOA event is a Road rallye for around a week in Pennsylvania.
The specific dates have yet to be set, but were looking at mid to late
year (before snow fall etc.) There will be more information in the coming
months. Linda Porter and Marcie Haug are there now scouting out good
locations and hotels. When they get back, more information will be
released to the public.
Trevor Johnson
#4055 and #6974
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:08:41 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: no dash lights

Hello List,
    I took my car out at night for the first time last week and noticed the 
lights that light up the dash gages are not working.(4 across top I think)  I 
dont have the binnacle on right now, just the instrument cluster fastend 
down.  The bulbs are good and there is no corrosion on them.  I checked the 
fuse and its good and the connectors are not pushed down into the fuse box 
body.  Is there a wire connector further under the dash before the wires that 
go to the instruments go into the main harness?  I've been finding some 
connectors that are pretty corroded. (ie, under T panel, engine cpmt.)  what 
would be the next thing to look for? I would like to get this fixed before I 
put the binnacle back on it next week.  these turn on when headlights are on, 
right?
    
Thank You All.
David-



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:32:38 -0500
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Painted DeLoreans

At 03:16 AM 11/16/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone here had any pictures of  painted  cars 
>that they could send to me or direct me to any website that has 
>pictures. I would like to look at a few evamples before I made my 
>paint choice. (which right now it white).


Hi, Jim!

My website has, I believe, one of the largest collections of painted
DeLorean pics on the web.

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm

Click on one of the colors, and a page with D's that color will come up.
Good luck with your purchase!

Brian H.

PS -- "YUK" ???  ;-)
PPS -- If anyone took pictures of painted D's in Vegas, I'd love to hear
from you!



- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- DeLorean: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm
- Impala SS: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/brakes.htm



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:50:36 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Learning Channel program...

May be a little too early to set your VCR's, but I just got word that 
The Learning Channel is doing a program entitled "The Ten Ultimate 
Stings", and the DeLorean sting will be featured. Interestingly 
enough, the DeLorean sting is the ONLY one of the ten that backfired 
on the government! Scheduled to be aired on February 4th, check your 
local listings!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



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Message: 23
Date: 16 Nov 00 20:14:03 PST
From: james sawyer <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Colors?]

Sir,
Why is paint so bad?  Our car is always the topic of conversation at any
DeLorean meeting we have.  The color is, yes I agree, not factory but hey it
is not like any DeLorean most people have seen.  Given those facts if my wife
and myself are parked with other DeLoreans people will always come and talk to
us.

Jim and Cindy
vin 4149
"ELMO"
dmcnred  

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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 04:45:08 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: oil filters - which one for a D?

IMHO when I store my car I don't change the oil. Unless the oil is 
VERY old and completly black modern oils have a very high capacity to 
hold dirt and moisture. I change the oil in the spring along with the 
filter after a good warm-up.
   Now is a good time though to get familiar with the Delorean vender 
of your choice. Yes,you could find a filter that will fit but it may 
not be of as good quality as one you can get from the venders of 
Delorean parts. They also give you a new copper gasket for the drain 
plug and I'm sure there are some  "bits" or other parts that you could 
also order like a magnetic drain plug or a spare bulb or fuse. Order 2 
filters so you don't have to go looking for 1 next year. If we as 
Delorean owners don't buy from the venders who make a livelyhood 
exclusivly supporting our cars then who will?
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> hey all,
> 
> i'm going to be doing my first oil change on my 82 delorean.  i just 
got it 
> last week, and it's going into storage tonight.  i just wanted to 
put some 
> fresh oil in it over the winter.  
> 
> the problem is, i can't find any books at my local auto stores that 
have a 
> filter listing for a delorean.  can someone out there tell me which 
band and 
> type to buy?
> 
> what seems to be the best filters in a delorean?  i probably don't 
need the 
> best since it will be in storage and i'll do another oil change when 
i get it 
> out next spring.
> 
> any input is appreciated,
> Andy
> 11596




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