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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. SPRING DUST-OFF
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. The Resurrection of Vixen continues...
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

3. Question onNew Antenna Electrical Connections
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>

4. Re: early ulster car
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

5. magazine featuring DeLorean
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

6. New Fenders
From: "corry bailey" <spddemon_at_dml_ghgcorp.com>

7. Jack stand points?
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com

8. RE: Night-illuminated speedo face (and the rest of the cluster)
From: "David L. Goodwin" <dgoodwin_at_dml_vt.edu>

9. Rust
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

10. Boston Area repair shops?
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

11. Re: Tires
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: Should I buy?
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

13. Re: sounds system back 2 ORIGINAL
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: early ulster car
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

15. JZD's move?
From: Joe Fedeli <fedeli_at_dml_excite.com>

16. Re: Christina's D
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net

17. Re: JZD's move?
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

18. Re: Re: Christina's D
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

19. Re: JZD's move?
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>

20. Old Memories...
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

21. Insurance Cost
From: "John S." <pharaoh_at_dml_enter.net>

22. no door locks
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen continues...
From: Michael Reinemuth <micha_at_dml_delorean.de>

24. RE: Rust
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>

25. Re: Rust
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:54:18 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: SPRING DUST-OFF

Just a reminder to everyone on the list.
A joint effort by Tri-State Delorean Owners + Delorean Mid-Atlantic
will be held _at_dml_ The Auto Center in Westwood, New Jersey this Saturday
April 8. It will start _at_dml_ 8:00 am and go to whenever.There will be
food so it would be nice if you let us know if you are comming
so we can make sure we have enough. 
 Rob Grady will be attending so he can look _at_dml_ your car.
We will also offer door adjustments if needed and any other minor 
work. The Auto Center has 2 lifts for our use and there is room
inside if it rains. There will also be a class on the internet
for those who want to see more ways to use it.

If you want to get in touch with me directly call _at_dml_ 201-659-1680
daytime for directions or info. If The weather holds it looks
like we will be having a good turnout. This has been a popular
event in the past.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:15:20 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen continues...

Hi All,

Well, the engine is just about done.  My last chore is to install the
oil return lines for the turbos.  I had to drill through the engine
block in two places to install the adapters.  That's not an easy task.
Sure, drilling through the aluminum is no problem, but approaching an
engine you've spent the last three months building with a huge drill bit
is a bit disconcerting.  So... with hesitant hands I drilled the
required holes, only to find out that they were way too large.  It seems
that there is a slight difference between the 'old' twin turbo kit and
the 'new' style couplings.  Oh well.  I'll figure something out to seal
the adpaters in place.

A couple of questions for y'all...

1)  What is the thickness of the material on a new Centerforce Dual
Friction clutch friction plate?  On the used one I bought, it has about
1/8" of surface between the face of the material and the bonding
rivets.  Not having worked with manual trans's before, I'm not sure how
thick it should be to begin with. 1/8" seems a bit thin to me...

2)  Has anyone ever hooked up a "Turbo Saver" preoiler unit?  I don't
have the instructions for the wiring...

3)  Is there a difference between the Volvo PRV oil pan, and the D?  I'm
assuming there is -- the gasket I got seems way wrong...

That's about it.  Things are moving along nicely.  =)

Oh, and almost forgot... The website is updated through week 21.

-Dave Stragand, #5927
http://www.ProjectVixen.com


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:34:45 -0700
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Question onNew Antenna Electrical Connections

I just bought a new automatic antenna from Houston to replace mine that
stopped going up and down.  The old antenna had a separate single yellow
wire along with a white wire with a brown wire in a special connector.  The
new antenna has a red wire, a blue wire, and a short black wire.

Anyone know how I'm supposed to make the connections ?

Thanks
Steve Pattison



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:20:09 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: early ulster car


The silver paint on the "DeLorean" embossed section of the rear bumpers was 
hand painted by Joe Murray at the Plant in Belfast strictly for photographic 
purposes. 
    I asked the same question to Mike Loasby the DeLorean Chief Vehicle 
engineer. Joe Murray replied that the paint was added for promotional 
purposes only. None of the cars left the factory with stripes, paint or 
silver paint on the embossed section of the bumper. The only cars to leave 
the factory with color was the 2 Gold commissioned cars.

There is a film of the cars in the factory. On a particular car shown the 
"81" early style hood with continental lines and gas filler access ALSO had 
an Embossed "DeLorean" in the lower left hand side of the bonnet. It is 
stamped in the hood. 
    On the "82 & "83" cars this was incorporated into production with the 
addition of the raised stick-on plate, common of the late cars.
    The hood was shown on a production DeLorean. However I have only seen 
this hood on film, and while searching the warehouse supply, alas its 
whereabouts are unknown.

There were many changes to the car over its short lived life. Many were 
internal component changes. The only noticeable difference is the hood and 
the color of the wheels.

Senator


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:36:04 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: magazine featuring DeLorean



In the April edition of "Im-Practical Classics" on page 108 there is a 
cartoon of a man in a junk yard buying parts for his RHD DeLorean.

"If the door locks on your DeLorean are broken, look no further than the 
Austin Allegro for your replacements."

BTW we should send in letters to the editor for some of the incorrect 
information published in this article. "the plastic steering wheel looks 
tacky and cheap." These wheels were prototypes from the suppliers without 
leather ONLY for engineering purposes. I have photograph of a warranty tag 
from VIN 710 replacing this wheel for a production wheel with leather. 

Also the "Live the Dream" advertisement uses incorrect photographs of the 
preproduction car instead of the factory car.

Additionally, the section "The Lotus Position" lists the incorrect title of 
Ivan Fallon & James Strodes book.  The Book title is actually "Dream Maker. 
The rise and fall of John Z. DeLorean."  This is a great read with excellent 
in-depth detail.

Ever wonder why DeLorean never put a picture of the car in his biography?


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:04:22 -0000
From: "corry bailey" <spddemon_at_dml_ghgcorp.com>
Subject: New Fenders

http://www.de-lorean-steel-products.purespace.de/english.html

This company says that they can make new fenders and misc metal parts 
for the DeLorean.  They also mention they can gold plate the car. 
Has 
anyone tried their products?

Corry



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:55:14 EDT
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Jack stand points?

Hello DMLers!
    Long story short...  while we have the wheels off to be media blasted and 
powder coated, where is it correct to put the jack stands?  The jack from the 
car is not even high enough for the stands anyway, but if you can get the car 
high enough, where do you put the stands (short of buying three more jacks, 
my dad is saying)?  Thanks a lot!
    Living the Dream (or will be again by Thurs!)  :)
            ~Rick E
                VIN 11174
                South Jersey
            


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:54:46 -0400
From: "David L. Goodwin" <dgoodwin_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Night-illuminated speedo face (and the rest of the cluster)

Dave,

    When you shined the black light on the instrument panel, was the
transparent face still covering the panel, or was it removed?  Glass and
also (I think) clear plastic tend to absorb UV light very efficiently.  If
it was still covering the panel, try shining the black light onto the
exposed gauges and see what happens.  I really like your idea, by the way.
Creative.

Dave


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:56:11 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Rust

How difficult is it to remove the rust from a DeLorean frame.  It is an issue most of us will have to deal with when the epoxy cracks and water gets in.  Naval Jelly/Converter can convert all rust on a frame to a black inert oxide.  A number of coatings are available that work much better than the old epoxy.  And frames can be welded to add extra strength if needed.  Has anyone on here done this in the recent past (5-15 years) with success and satisfaction?

David Levey
Cleveland

PS-  If anyone wants to go to the Mark DeLorean fundraiser featuring a visit by John Z, April 12th, please let me know.  If you have already requested an invitation, you should have it or it should be on the way...


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 04:51:39 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Boston Area repair shops?

 Hello All,

  I'm thinking of acquiring a D (Hi Don!), and was wondering if
anyone 
knows where I can get reliable and resonable D repairs done in the 
greater Boston area. (Searching the mail-list archive turned up 
nothing.)

Thanks,
-Hank




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:41:47 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Tires

If you want tires that look good with "Bold white letters and all" than get
a set of Freestone Firehawk. If you want a tire that allows the DeLorean to
perform at the maximum potential intended by the Lotus engineers get a set
of Yokohama AVS's.

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Smith <beakerlover_at_dml_juno.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:18 AM
Subject: [DML] Tires


> In my opinion, yokohama is an inferior tire when compared with
> Firestone, Goodyear, BFG,etc>
> I would really like the look of a firestone firehawk on a >Delorean. Bold
white letters and all.

Strictly my opinion.
> cliff




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:08:25 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?

The biggest problem that you will encounter with the D is not regular
maintenance, but extraordinary maintenance and possible accidents.  We can
disagree on this list as to if a front left fender is 2K or 4K, but if you
damage it (or the hood- no more are available with flaps or with lines) it
will be mighty expensive.  And if something should happen to the engine
(such as the fuel distributor) or you mess up the seats or need a new dash
or binnacle from leaving it out in the sun, you are looking at 500.00+ for
any of those repairs.  It is everything that you would face in an ordinary
car, but probably at least significantly more expensive

David Levey
Cleveland
6377
>
> Can a DMC be a "reliable piece of transporation?"  Certainly!  But it
would
> be a VERY good idea to consult with a reliable mechanic BEFORE you buy to
be
> sure that you won't face too many unanticipated expenses.  Yes, the
DeLorean
> (like ANY car) needs upkeep, but it doesn'y have to be a constant drain on
> your wallet.
>
> Finally, you have to keep in mind that you'll be driving a classic car
that
> will be the center of attention wherever you go.  That factor MAY make it
> worth putting up with a few inconveniences and expenses of dealing with a
> 20-year-old automobile.  (And, of course, it can be a babe magnet!)
>
> If you decide to go ahead, may you have the best of luck!  I've driven my
> DeLorean since 1993, and have never (well, hardly ever!) regretted
purchasing
> it!
>
> GOOD LUCK!
>
> Paul Feine (# 10944)
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:33:25 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: sounds system back 2 ORIGINAL

We have the factory interconnect wiring diagram for the radio, contact us
directly for more information.

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:07 PM
Subject: [DML] sounds system back 2 ORIGINAL
I think I have found the original wires that go to the craig player, I have
a white wire
connector(with around 12-15 wires) and 2 large black wires.  Are those the
only ones I need?  or are there others?

Thank you
David,
#2496-




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:27:33 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: early ulster car

RIA 7122, RIA 7123, were the two first cars ever to be made in Northern
Ireland, one was an auto one was manual, there were the first "test cars"
they were driven around the clock by volunteer members of the Ulster Car
club, that had no heaters or other creature comforts, they were just used to
see what would break or pack up first. A friend of mine Brendan from
northern Ireland was one of the team, I have a copy of his driving licence
singed by Mike Loasby, dated 20th Jan 1981, and a photo  of him at the wheel
of RIA 7123.  I assume that 7124, 7125 were the next one's off. I don't know
what the chassis numbers are, but I believe the car in the Ulster Folk and
Transport Museum is one of this early batch.
Chris DOC(UK)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Professor Frink" <diashi_c_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: [DML] early ulster car


> There's a D with a british reg RIA 7124 that appears a lot in the gold
> portfolio with a different style rear bumper detail (silver rectangle with
> black 'DeLorean' writing). This was an early car, and so had the pleated
> bonnet with the gas flap. A few months ago, I was rooting through an old
> book at school, and found RIA 7124 with an 82 bonnet!
> So, I'd like to know the history of this car. Was it used by DMC for
> promotional purposes (explaing the chnaged bonnet)? If so, where is it
now?
> And does anyone know the VIN? Oh, and it was minus the DMC badge in the
> portfolio, but has one in my schoolbook. This is probably one for the UK
> owners, as they might has seen or owned this car. It also had a sister
car,
> RIA 7126, that was identical.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt, 'dreaming the dream'
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Fedeli <fedeli_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: JZD's move?

Does anyone know if JZD moved off of his farm in NJ as order by the court
last month?  Did he physically move or get an extension to stay?  Does
anyone know his new address & location?  Please email me privately if you
know.  Thanks!
Joe Fedeli
fedeli_at_dml_excite.com
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:17:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net
Subject: Re: Christina's D

Does anyone know the history of John's wife's car? For several years
(until recently) there was a D sitting in a back yard very near my work
place. I always wondered about it's history. I even tried to get a
closer look at it a few years ago, but got chased away by an old guy
from the apartment building next door. Well lo and behold I was talking
to a client Monday who also was a car buff, and a long time resident of
the area. He said that the current owner, a pawn shop owner (who's yard
it was in) got it from an auction in Fla. several years ago and then
just let her sit there. Now my interest is peaked. Anyone know?
Dan  -  7065



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:09:59 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: JZD's move?

This has already been posted to the list.

He has left his estate in New Jersey.

See:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/jersey/ledger/ef5a95.html


Joe Fedeli wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if JZD moved off of his farm in NJ as order by the court
> last month?  Did he physically move or get an extension to stay?  Does
> anyone know his new address & location?  Please email me privately if you
> know.  Thanks!


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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:12:48 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Christina's D

Where is this car?  The man you describe sounds familiar from a story
told on the DML a few years back..  

From what I remember, the car that was spotted in the yard looked to be
a prototype version (pre-lotus) and was in very bad shape.  The owner
was not interested in talking to anyone about the car.


djs912_at_dml_webtv.net wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know the history of John's wife's car? For several years
> (until recently) there was a D sitting in a back yard very near my work
> place. I always wondered about it's history. I even tried to get a
> closer look at it a few years ago, but got chased away by an old guy
> from the apartment building next door. Well lo and behold I was talking
> to a client Monday who also was a car buff, and a long time resident of
> the area. He said that the current owner, a pawn shop owner (who's yard
> it was in) got it from an auction in Fla. several years ago and then
> just let her sit there. Now my interest is peaked. Anyone know?
> Dan  -  7065


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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
Subject: Re: JZD's move?

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Joe Fedeli wrote:
> Does anyone know if JZD moved off of his farm in NJ as order by the court
> last month?  Did he physically move or get an extension to stay?  Does
> anyone know his new address & location? 
> Joe Fedeli
> fedeli_at_dml_excite.com


  According to the press, he did leave his Bedminster, New Jersey home per
court order. Not sure where he went....

--
Mark Fearer
vin 3072



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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:15:18 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Old Memories...

The message that was just posted "Re: Christina's D" made me look up
this article (below) in the archives. 
(http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml251.html)

Anyone have any new news on this car??  I think Brandon is still on the
list....


> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 17:22:15 PDT
> From: "Brandon S. Moody"  
> Subject: DML: Story !
> 
> Just thought I would share this little story with everyone. It has made be just 
> MAD at the world. But, it also has me very curious. 
> 
> I stopped by an elderly ladies home the other day in the DMC-12 to help her 
> fix her VCR. She has been a friend of the family for years. After I fixed it for 
> her, we walked out onto lawn and she noticed the Delorean. "nice car" she 
> said, I was suprised that she even noticed it. Then after she looked at it for a 
> few minutes, she said she knew where one was at. Now I didn't really believe 
> that the sweet little tri-focal lady knew the difference in one car and another, 
> but I set out that evening to find this other car. All I had was a map that I had 
> written down from her memory that was taking me into the deep hills of 
> Eastern Kentucky. But, I was curious to atleast find another DMC owner in 
> the area. Well, after about a 45 min drive, I came upon the house she had 
> described and sitting at the side of the garage was a Delorean. I went up to the 
> house, rang the doorbell, but No answer. I walked over to the car and saw one 
> of the most sad sights I had ever seen. There was atleast 4 inches of water in 
> the floor, the windows were open, the passenger door was ajar, and a big crack 
> in the windshield. The interior was brown from all the sun/water damage, 
> and I couldn't find One good part in the whole interior. There were 
> mushrooms growing inside and on the engine bay cover. the tires had 
> actually fell off the rims. Even some of the body panels were green in color 
> from moss growing on them. OK, I'm sure I have made everyone sick 
> enough now. So, I drove down the road to the next house and talked to the 
> man that lived there. He said it had been sitting in the same place for atleast 
> 11 years. Thats how long he had lived there. He said that everyone in the US 
> has been here asking about the car but the Old man will not even talk to them 
> about selling it, most of the time he will not even answer the door. 
> 
> So, I returned the next day with a friend to maybe try one more time. I figured 
> maybe if he saw that I was driving a DMC, he may come out of the house. 
> Well, he was at home and did come out to talk. He admired my car for a few 
> minutes, but would not even think about selling me his car. Well, There you 
> have it. My depressing weekend :-( 
> 
> Now, this is the strange thing. This car was kinda different than most DMC I 
> have looked at before. First, the side windows looked as if they opened left to 
> right. The center console didin't have any power window buttons, and the 
> engine cover was designed different and didn't have any loovers ? The hood 
> had a little more shape than my car which is just flat, and there were black 
> DMC-12 stickers on the rear fenders of the car. NOW, what kinda DMC was 
> this ? 
> 
> I"M CONFUSED.


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:19:18 -0400
From: "John S." <pharaoh_at_dml_enter.net>
Subject: Insurance Cost

OK, I am alomost ready to make a dision on purchasing a DMC, I do have one more though if anyone can help me. I am 21 with a average driving record an I wanted to know how much it would cost to be a every day driver and an occasianal driver. Any help is much appreciated.

P.S. i did ask my insurance company and they said they cant tell me without a vin no. so if anyone could help that would be cool.
John Siwy


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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:38:37 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: no door locks

Hello,
    when I bought my car nothing in the doors worked except the 3 lights on 
the outside of each door.  The passenger side door was disconected because it 
was smashed and wouldnt shut so the lights stayed on.  I now have a nice new 
stainless steel door on it w/everything in it.  I hooked it up and nothing in 
it will work.  The door locks started to work in the drivers side door but 
then stopped again.  I used to hear a clicking coming from the electrical 
area but now nothing.  what could this be?  I really want to get my locks 
working so I can put the interior door panels back on.  please let me know 
what to look for.  could this be a relay?  there isnt a fuse for the locks, 
right?  my inertia switch is also disconnected, could that be it?

Thanks in advance
David
#2496


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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:58:00 +0200
From: Michael Reinemuth <micha_at_dml_delorean.de>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen continues...

The oil pan used on the DeLorean is the same Renault used on the Alpine,
this is NOT the same used  on the Volvo PRVs

Dave Stragand schrieb:

> 3)  Is there a difference between the Volvo PRV oil pan, and the D?  I'm
> assuming there is -- the gasket I got seems way wrong...

--
Gruss

Michael Reinemuth
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:31:53 -0700
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Rust

I have had experience with this.

The front end of my car had rust all over it.  I was able to polish off all
the rust.  Some areas were I felt the metal was weak due to rust, were spot
welded to re-enforce it.  I haven't finished the car yet, so I haven't been
able to road test it, but I am sure that the spot welding will work out
well.  Of course in order to spot weld, I had to remove the epoxy.  I
undercoated the car to prevent rust.

Hope this helps.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: JDL [mailto:jdl_at_dml_interax.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:56 PM
To: DeLorean Motor Company Internet Newsgroup
Subject: [DML] Rust 


How difficult is it to remove the rust from a DeLorean frame.  It is an
issue most of us will have to deal with when the epoxy cracks and water gets
in.  Naval Jelly/Converter can convert all rust on a frame to a black inert
oxide.  A number of coatings are available that work much better than the
old epoxy.  And frames can be welded to add extra strength if needed.  Has
anyone on here done this in the recent past (5-15 years) with success and
satisfaction?

David Levey
Cleveland

PS-  If anyone wants to go to the Mark DeLorean fundraiser featuring a visit
by John Z, April 12th, please let me know.  If you have already requested an
invitation, you should have it or it should be on the way...


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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:34:19 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Rust

I also did this to my front end two years ago. It's written up on the 
web site at http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/framepaint.htm 

Someday I'll put up some pictures. 

To remove the rust I used a combination of wire wheel, scrapers, and 
chemicals (industrial version of naval jelly, usually called met-L-
prep or something like that). Then paint with POR15/Wurth Rustguard 
and then Rustoleum to get the color right. Be sure to get inside the 
front frame as much as you can. There is a boxed in area in the 
center that you have to drill a 1" hole to get into. 

Most important thing is to get at it all. I completely disassembled 
underneath the front end of the car from the gas tank cover forward, 
leaving the frame completely exposed. Took the opportunity to 
sandblast and powdercoat or paint everything I took off. This took 
about 3 months of weekends. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_i...>  wrote:
>  How difficult is it to remove the rust from a DeLorean frame.  It 
is an issue most of us will have to deal with when the epoxy cracks 
and water gets in.  Has anyone on here done this in the recent past 
(5-15 years) with success and satisfaction?
> 
> David Levey
> Cleveland
> > 
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