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Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:56 PM
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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 31

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Stainless labels and other things...
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
From: deloreandmc_at_dml_aol.com

3. RADIO
From: "David W. Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_email.msn.com>

4. RE: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

5. Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

6. Nose bra pic in vault
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Quantity of gas flaps!!
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>

8. shipping engine
From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol_at_dml_ici.net>

9. Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

10. RE: (unknown)
From: Gregory M Scalia <gmscalia_at_dml_gil.com.au>

11. Lose Nuts
From: dmc1219_at_dml_one.net

12. Re: Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

13. Re: (sorry, wrong) Re: door adjustment
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

14. T panel (roof) removal
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Lose Nuts
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>

16. John DeLorean at the Celveland DeLorean Car Show
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: (sorry, wrong) Re: door adjustment
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

18. OIL PLUG WASHER
From: dongowler <dongowler_at_dml_mediaone.net>

19. speakers and vinyl treatment (also Alabama)
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Facia question..
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

21. Re: Interior lights acting funny
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com

22. Non-starting problems, fuel pressure related?
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: stranded
From: ledgend2_at_dml_aol.com

24. Correction on previous question
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

25. door locks, mirrors and windows
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:11:13 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless labels and other things...

Trevor or anyone else, I can fix the digital dial flap in the Craig radios. 
John Hervey.Dherv10_at_dml_aol.com. Don.t throw away electrical parts. Most can be 
fixed or repaired.


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:18:29 EDT
From: deloreandmc_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?

I hope to get a D someday, And personaly, I agree, at first( i search ebay 
for BTTF and DMC stuff everyday) i saw that and said, hey i want that, but i 
now understand your perspective and strongly disagree.
PS-if that seller belongs to DMC-mail, he should respond and state his view

keith
vin# someday


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:55:19 -0400
From: "David W. Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RADIO

Well it finally happened. My D was broken into, the radio stolen (a new JVC
system) and the air duct broken.  Does anyone have a air duct for sale?

Thanks in advance,

DeLorean regards,
David Silek

Driving the D in Front Royal and points elsewhere in the Commonwealth.
#6111






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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:04:19 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?

I think it is wrong to sell stolen auto parts.  If people knew how much
front-left fenders were worth, they'd probably disappear right off the cars.
(Then again...most people think that my car cost $100,000.)

I would venture to guess that most auto parts theft is by

  a) idiot vandals looking to pawn a radio, or
  b) professional thieves.

In the a) case, that is always a potential problem, although I think most
grill emblems would be taken as a souvenir rather than a source of income.
And the pros know they can make more money parting out an Accord than a
Delorean.

I am always concerned about careless gawkers or thoughtless vandals when I
leave my D in public, but I doubt either is impacted by the potential bounty
on the parts.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Price [mailto:davep_at_dml_stprint.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:49 PM
> Subject: [DML] DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?
>
>
> Is it just me, or should the selling of automobile emblems be
> "strongly discouraged" ....  I saw a DMC emblem on ebay today and
> it got me thinking....  If someone who lives down the street from
> me sees that auction, and thinks that my emblem is worth $75, it
> would be real easy for them to swipe it....  I emailed the
> seller, not that it'll do any good... Does anyone else think this
> is wrong?
>
> - Dave
>



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:23:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Dave Price wrote:

> Is it just me, or should the selling of automobile emblems be
> "strongly discouraged" ....  I saw a DMC emblem on ebay today and it

I think it probably doesn't matter very much.

The emblem is not necessarily stolen; it could be from a wreck, from a
parts car, from a pile of junk he found in his garage, whatever.  As for
the perceived value of the item, I doubt that the realization that a grill
emblem is worth $75 is going to change much about your neighbor unless he
is a criminal already.  After all, he could make more money stealing
stereos out of Hondas, but he doesn't...



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:33:52 EDT
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Nose bra pic in vault

List,
    We put a picture of what an original nose bra looks like (full-size... 
our D) in the vault.  This is what our new ones will be like.  (Also, if 
you've never seen a wet De Lorean pic, here's one!)  :)  (Respond to 
deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com)  Thanks!
        Rick E.
        VIN 11174


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:48:04 -0700
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Quantity of gas flaps!!

early 81's had gas flaps, but only in the black interior, BUT some black
interiors also have a regular grooved hood, generally its something like
# 3000 and less that had them
Trevor Johnson
# 6974 and soon to be 4???
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:07:38 -0400
From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol_at_dml_ici.net>
Subject: shipping engine

I'm about to buy an engine and have it shipped from Alabama to Massachusetts.  
If anyone has done this before, could you please let me know any of the following
items that you remember:  who you used, distance shipped, rough cost, and how
it worked out??  Thanks all in advance.

Mike


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:55:23 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?



Yes.. My first response when I saw that was "I wonder where whose 
Delerean now doesn't have it's emblem?"  I mean, where does someone 
find just an emblem to sell?  How many parts on a 
locked/parked Delorean are easily removable like that?  Mighty 
suspicious.

-Hank



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Dave Price" <davep_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Is it just me, or should the selling of automobile emblems be 
"strongly discouraged" ....  I saw a DMC emblem on ebay today and it 
got me thinking....  If someone who lives down the street from me
sees 
that auction, and thinks that my emblem is worth $75, it would be
real 
easy for them to swipe it....  I emailed the seller, not that it'll
do 
any good... Does anyone else think this is wrong?
> 
> - Dave


> 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:53:57 +1000
From: Gregory M Scalia <gmscalia_at_dml_gil.com.au>
Subject: RE: (unknown)

I have this exact same problem.  I have been of the guess that this is a vapor lock problem   Very inconvenient and have been stranded several times.  One time, road-side assistance cam and took off the air filter/intake and allowed free air intake and the car started easily.  This sounds like flooding.

Interested to here if there is a fix

GMS

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From: 	delor1_at_dml_aol.com[SMTP:delor1_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: 	Friday, April 28, 2000 10:59 PM
To: 	dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: 	[DML] (unknown)


hello all!

this is my first post for help.

i am having problems getting the d to start after driving for a hour +
when i stop for an hour or more it will turn over but will not start.
i have tried jumping the rpm relay to send power to the fuel pump but 
that
did not help
when i leave the d for more than 8 hours, it will start  ? (really 
rough
like it needs a tune up--just replaced the accumulator and had a tune 
up 3
mo ago) i have checked the nuts on top of the fuel pump and they 
appear
ok---any suggestions    thanks

delor1_at_dml_aol.com




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:52:01 -0400
From: dmc1219_at_dml_one.net
Subject: Lose Nuts

Attached is a picture of the nut plate assembly for the door strike pin.


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:41:24 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: DMC Grill Emblem on EBAY!?

I think the grill emblem item has about run it's course so I'm killing it.
When I toured the warehouse in Columbus the first time they had lots of
them. I bought a couple and have one mounted in hardwood on my desk.

Bruce Benson, this week's moderator



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:40:32 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: (sorry, wrong) Re: door adjustment

I removed the door pin on the passenger side of my D because the door was not
aligned properly from the day it was built.  Sure enough the nut dropped into
the hole in the fiberglass side.  I had to remove the inside cover over the
speaker. and cut a 3 inch hole into the fiberglass to get my hand in to find
the nut and hold it in place for the door peg.  Afterwards.  I drill an 8/32
hole and threaded it so I could put a long small screw in the plate to hold it
if I ever needed to remove the peg again.


As it turned out the housing for the door peg was set 1/4 off when molding the
fiberglass at the factory.  I had to cut the adjustment plate to give more
movement in order for the door to lock properly.  Initially it would only
single latch and not double latch.  This took many hours to correctly diagnosis
and realign.


Bob




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:46:23 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: T panel (roof) removal

Fellow DMCer's,
First I did check the archives, ( great article in tech notes)lots of 
dicussions but no how to's. I need to remove and readjust the t panel. My 
question before I start this what extra stuff do I need, ie...glue, weather 
stripping, etc... My t panel is coming up in the middle causing it to rub on 
the louver when opened. I need to lower it down about 1/8 of an inch. Could 
someone give me a step by step instruction on how to do this? I have all the 
manuals and am willing to work on any part of the car, but when it comes to 
this part I feel caution is the best way to proceed. To avoid using up 
bandwith, feel free to respond to me off the list at ABatt10347_at_dml_aol.com. By 
the way got the car back from the painter the other day and the newly painted 
fasica looks great. If anyone has one that is faded, take my word that it 
really makes a BIG difference. Thanks in advance for the help.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 6569
See you in Cleveland!!!!!


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:10:09 -0400
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>
Subject: Re: Lose Nuts

The picture is in the files under Cap0001.bmp



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:20:52 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: John DeLorean at the Celveland DeLorean Car Show

Hi
a number of you have asked what is John DeLoreans schedule for the car show.  
Well details are still being worked out but we have talked about John doing a 
question and answer session on Friday at the Crawford Museum.  He will also 
be at the car show on Saturday and the Dinner Saturday Evening where he may 
decide to talk again or just mingle with all of you.  
At any point this is the first DeLorean Event John will be attending and with 
him will be his daughter Kathryn and let me tell you she is going to be a 
show in herself.  I have enjoyed my conversations with her and she is looking 
forward to the event as well.
Mark and Charles Delorean also plan to attend but Charles will be depending 
on health.

A reminder
Preregistration deadline is May 15th (that is postmarked by May 15th) at that 
time I will not be able to guarentee the Goodtime III will be available.  I 
have 30 extra seats so it will be a first come first serve basis. 
Free T-shirt offer expires on this date also.
Shirts will be $8.00 at the door or for extras.
A $5.00 late fee per registration will apply from May 16th on so please 
register early.

Again thanks for your support and I hope you enjoy the things I have brought 
to this show.
It should be one of the finest collections of DeLoreans ever
Please help me spread the word.  I have found many people in the last few day 
that had no idea the show was taking place including the owner of the Johnny 
Carson Car.  Hopefully he can come and we add another one to the list but I 
only have the DML and the listing inthe DeLorean world and local letters.  so 
I ask you to please help me network out and give everyone the chance to 
attend.

Curtis where are you??????????? (still trying)

<A HREF="http;//deloreancarshow.com">Deloreancarshow.com</A>
Ken


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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:29:26 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: (sorry, wrong) Re: door adjustment

You are right dan.  I have my rear 1/4 panels off and the bolt is hooked to a 
plate that can slide around.  You can not remove the bolts all the way out 
because they have a little weld on the end.  

dave
#2496


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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:05:21 -0500
From: dongowler <dongowler_at_dml_mediaone.net>
Subject: OIL PLUG WASHER

Can anyone tell me what size the oil plug copper washer is and where one
can buy them at local auto parts stores?

The Silver Fox



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:18:52 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: speakers and vinyl treatment (also Alabama)


Group,

       I want to upgrade my speakers soon, but am curious what upgrades can 
be done. What about sub woofer placement? I am trying to get around using 
4x10's....any other ideas. Also, still looking for a vinyl paint or cleaner 
to clean / restore a slighty faded dash! Thanks guys!

Sean
VIN 7003

P.S. Any Alabama owners out there? I live in Huntsville, so drop me a line 
if you are near my neck of the woods!


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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:17:00 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Facia question..


Simple question I can't find answered anywhere else (and I looked!):

 Why are some facia's much darker than others?  Most I've seen are 
only slighlty darker than the stainless steal color, and others are 
much darker, and yet others are almost black.  Are the latter two 
types bad or custom re-paint jobs?

Thanks,

-Hank



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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:56:06 EDT
From: amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Interior lights acting funny

We also have had some strange light behavior.  Besides the fact that 
sometimes the light dims out when you close the door and sometimes it just 
shuts off, we also have something weirder.  Sometimes when the doors are shut 
AND locked, the cockpit light will come on by itself while we're driving.  
The way I turn if off is by turning on and off the light over the storage 
compartment which makes them both go off.  Strange but true (but D's are 
always full of little interesting things anyway...)  :)
        ~Rick E.
        VIN 11174
P.S.  I suppose I should note that we haven't changed anything in our 
electrical system yet, so I guess it's not surprising that it'd doing weird 
things (?).  


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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Non-starting problems, fuel pressure related?

Hola everyone!

Well i have had my delorean (10854) for alittle under
a month now and have run into my first problem :)

My D' wont start, i put the key in and it turns over
but wont start

I have been in talks with DMC joe lately over the
issue but thought I would get the collectives advice.

I have been threw all the checks in and around the
fuel pump, i have rotated it, jumped it, remounted
it.. etc, No problems there.. gets power and sounds to
be pumping just fine.

The next step which i performed today was going back
to the engine and taking off the air filter and
pressing down on the round thing (fuel accumlator?) to
see if there was pressure.  From what i felt there was
none, i tried this with the pump on and off, when it
was on i got some farting type noises coming from that
round thing, but still no pressure :)

Now backing up in history alittle, the day it happened
here are the events:

On sunday of last weekend the car was running fine
except for a slight gas smell coming into the car and
an occasional wierd noise coming from the fuel pump
area.
I adjusted the fuel pump by rotating it slighting
thinking there might be a kink in the hoses causing
the noises, i tightened the clamp around the boot to
stop what alittle gas that was coming from that area
(hence the gas smell in cabin)
I then go to the gas station, fill up to the TOP and
go for some serious spirited cruzing around the
country, i was driving for about 1 hour and then came
home, parked.. came back to the car 30 mins later and
the car wouldnt turn over.  

Ok..lets discuss :)


Cliff Andrews
Centreville, VA
ps... anyone with some intrested in D's in the area
and/or mechanical inclination.. lets get together!

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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:52:20 EDT
From: ledgend2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: stranded


   To stop yourself from getting stranded, if you turn the key and the engine 
doesn't 

start, stop after a couple seconds, wait a couple minutes and try again.  
This will 

prevent your car from flooding which is probably what is happening. -Dave


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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Correction on previous question

Hola everyone (again)

ok, just was out fooling around again and i made the
point in my previous message that when i pressed down
on the fuel accumlator? (the round thing under the air
filter) that i didnt have pressure, well actually i DO
have pressure, so in summary, i have power to the fuel
pump, it runs, no kinks in the hoses, i have pressure
in that "round thing" but the car wont start, it
cranks but wont start. UGgg :)  Thanks for the help
guys!

-Cliff


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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:03:55 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: door locks, mirrors and windows

Hello List,
    Ever since I purchased my 81 DeLorean the power mirrors, door locks and 
power windows have not worked.  I can not figure out what is wrong.  I never 
even hear a little movement from any of these items.  
    LOCKS-some say my lock solenoids are fried but that cant be correct 
because I just put on a new door with everything in it and the solenoid is 
new,it is not getting any power to burn it out.  when I touch the brown wires 
of the intertia switch to ground the "lock doors" light comes on and I get a 
click from the relay.  someone said I should get a lockzilla relay but this 
one is doing its job, right? so why change it when you need $5500 in other 
stuff.  obviously neither solenoid is getting power to it.  does anyone know 
what I should look for?
    MIRRORS-neither work and the switches are hooked up correctly.  Again, 
the mirror in the passenger door is new.  obviously no power is getting to 
this item either.  what should I look for?

WINDOWS-I do not have switches so I can not even test them.  can I use a 
jumper wire on the switch hook-up somehow?  if so, how do I do it exactly?

    The only thing that works in either of the doors are the door lights on 
the drivers side door.   Everything else doesnt:(  I thought that the 
connections in the t panel might be the problem but I looked at them and they 
are clean and match up properly.  The previous owner claims everything worked 
before it sat. I thought mice but I traced the door harnesses back and they 
are fine.  oh, and yes they fuses are fine.  any ideas?

Thanks in advance
dave
#2496


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