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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Brake Light...
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>

2. Re: Re: Storage, changing fluids, etc.
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

3. Floor Mats
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: The History Channel
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

5. Re: Delorean Goodyear ads
From: johnlsullivan_at_dml_brookhouse90.freeserve.co.uk

6. mode switch question
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

7. More Info on the Backlit Dash
From: Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

8. Re: The History Channel
From: Dr Disco <drdisco_40_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. DeLoreans in Movies - Rocky III
From: Shannon Yocom <ss_at_dml_delorean.com>

10. speedo question...
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: Brake Light...
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

12. Re: Brake Light...
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com

13. Automatic Transmission pan torque
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: speedo question...
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

15. Re: Brake Light...
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Digital Dash pictures
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

17. Re: Radiator question
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

18. RE: Brake Light...
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:40:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Brake Light...

Hi all, 
   Got a question for you. Could someone explain under what conditions the
red "brake" light on the dash would come on? I know it isn't b/c of the
parking brake...the one on mine has been dead for a long time. It came on
while driving the other day. Then went off a minute later. It came on
tonight too, but it was raining out...this car runs like crap in the rain.
So, does this indicate a brake problem, like leakege or a master cyl going
bad?
   I have noticed the brake pedal getting a bit soft, esp if you sit on it
for a LONG time(like at a traffic light). The previous owner says the brakes
were done last January. Hmmmm. Also, I see no puddles under the car and the
brake fluid level is OK with no change. Are these two problems linked and
can someone help diagnose. Thanks.

Nate
#10188

Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

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some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"





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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:53:17 -0500
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Storage, changing fluids, etc.

Another benefit to starting up the car every few weeks while in storage is
the opportunity to turn on the A/C.  It allows the freon to circulate and
the compressor to run....

David Levey
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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:18 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Storage, changing fluids, etc.


> The reason for the change of the brake fluid is that the origional
> fill was girling dot 3. It was assumed that that would also be the
> replacment fluid. Brake fluid is hygroscopic ie: it absorbs moisture
> from the air. If you don't regularly drive the car and heat up the
> fluid to drive out the moisture it will corrode the aluminum cylinder
> bores. If you go to Castrol "GTLMA" you can probobly go alot longer
> than 2 years but it is cheap insurance.
>  The reason your master cylinder is failing is common. The flush
> washed out all of the crud that helped seal the corroded bore. It is
> very likely that you will wind up rebuilding all 4 calipers also. If
> you have a 5 speed don't forget the clutch fluid which is the same and
> subject to the same problems. Many people have gone to silicone or dot
> 5 but it isn't recommended for several reasons including, water won't
> mix with the silicone so if any is in the system it will eat up the
> cylinders.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > Group:
> >
> > I was just wondering why the owners manual suggests changing the
> brake fluid
> > so often and why so many list members emphasize this as well?  Is
> this just
> > being extra careful or is it really needed.  For example, my daily
> driver,
> > Firebird, has over 130,000 miles (12 years old)- brake fluid never
> changed -
> > never any problems.  Now, I drained and replaced brake fluid this
> summer on
> > the DeLorean and now, about 300 miles later, the master is going
> out.  I
> > assume the new fluid was too much for the old rubber in the master.
>  (Or it
> > could be a coincidence)
> > Brian 16584
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:47:41 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Floor Mats

Hey everybody-

I dont know how much of an interest floor mats really are to the list, but Im 
gonna say this anyways.

When I bought my DeLorean a while back, the last owner had a pair of "generic 
napa-style" floormats in my brand new D. They just didnt fit or look right. 
They were outright tacky.

Well long story short, I just put in a new set of DeLorean Motor Company 
(Houston) floor mats and they are outstanding. They are plush and thick and 
they are perfectly formed to the contours of the floor. They are also quite 
long and basically cover the entire carpet up behind the peddals. The color 
matches quite well and the mats even have the DMC logo stitched into the 
carpet. They look gorgeous and they really freshen up the car. Im not sure 
why, but it does quite alot for it.

Either way, I'm quite a satisfied customer. If anyone would like pics for any 
reason, please email me privately and I'll send them out just for a 
comparison.

Justin
VIN 5172



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:43:11 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: The History Channel

Gee that's nice of them to describe the DeLorean as a "blunder."
That's definately not going to help the cars increase in value.

Has anyone noticed an increased interest in DeLoreans in recent
months/years?  They seem to be getting a decent amount of
NON-BTTF attention, or are they always featured on certain TV shows from
time to time?  (Wasn't JZD recently the topic of an A&E Biography
program?)  Will more of this type of attention help raise the value
of the DeLorean?

(Personally, I agree with others on this list who think that a
major reason why the DeLorean isn't more valued and more demanded
is because owners never seem to drive them.  I guess that is another
topic though...but perhaps I'm fortunate that my D is not in mint
condition and so I feel comfortable with taking it out 2-3 days a 
week just to "get it seen" in my central California area...alot of
wealthy Bay Area people live over here and it's a big "car area", so 
maybe I can do my little part...who knows?  But like I said this is 
another topic which I'm sure has been covered here many times 
before, so I'll shut up now.) :)

    



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:23:31 -0000
From: johnlsullivan_at_dml_brookhouse90.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: Re: Delorean Goodyear ads

Bruce,
re your question on the above subject. I recently bought 2 mint 
DeLoreans from an ex DeLorean dealer in New Jersey, the deal included 
all his stock, parts, sign and records. In the records was a letter 
from a Mr William Morgan, Director of Eastern Operations on the 
subject of advertising schedules.

The letter states that the "Goodyear ad" will be appearing in the 
November 30th 1981 edition of the New Yorker magazine. Hope this 
helps,
regards,

john sullivan.

(PS Included in the records were actual copies of all the adds which 
I intend to frame) 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, abatt10347_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Fellow DMLer's,
>   While rereading SSI the other night I came upon a question that I 
had no 
> answer to. The "Live the Dream" ads were placed in January 1982 
issues of 
> Time, U.S. News & World Report. The Craig, Sylvania, and Cutty Sark 
ads were 
> in various automotive magazines. My question is in what magazines 
was the 
> Goodyear ad? I have the other ads and wish to start looking for the 
Goodyear 
> to complete my collection, but have no idea where to start. It (the 
Goodyear 
> ad, for those who do not have SSI), shows JZD leaning on a 
Delorean, with the 
> ad reading "Goodyear. Quality a man can stake his reputation on". I 
seem to 
> remember that it was referenced in one of the books about JZD, but 
have been 
> unable to locate the item.
> Thanks for any help you can offer............
> Bruce Battles
> Vin # 06569
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:24:12 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: mode switch question

Hello,
    When I purchased my car all of the vacuum lines were disconnected behind 
the mode switch.  I hooked them up like they are supposed to be and none of 
the vent doors open except the floor vents. (I have the interior out of the 
car now so I can see them all)  I also here a constant hissing sound from the 
switch.  would this indicate a bad switch or is there something else I should 
try first? all hose connections are good.
    also, when I drive with the A/C pump on I get a loud tick from the engine 
compartment at around 3500 RPMS  but when i turn the AC off it goes away.  
any ideas on that?

Thank You
David



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 11:51:55 -0600
From: Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: More Info on the Backlit Dash

Many of you now seem to be interested in my dash.  This is good, because
it is now looking more like I will be able to do this. (But I still need
some more people!)  Many have had specific questions about it so I am
working on an informational web page for the people interested.  I now
will answer some of those questions posted on the DML.

One person asked about what kind of an overlay it is, and if it would be
possible to do the installation himself without sending the cluster to
me.

The overlay is like you thought, NOT a conventional overlay.  I am
getting the actual black plastic face (this is what has the gauges
painted on it) recreated in clear plastic, so it conducts light like a
modern dash.  There will then be printed decals with the gauge numbers
on it which will be glued to each new face, and this is how I can do
different speedometers and/or other metric indicators.  The needles also
need to be removed and actually disassembled when doing this.  The
needles are in two main pieces, the base and the pointer. (I dont know
if these are the "correct" names, but thats just what I call them).  I
recreating the pointer in clear plastic so it also conducts light from
the dash.  Then they all need to be reassembled, and custom wiring put
in place for the new lights.  The primary reason I suggest people send
me their cluster is because of this.  It is not something the ordinary
person will want to do.  However, is you are really inclined to do this
yourself, I dont think it would be much of a problem to print up an
instruction sheet and send you the parts.  I just dont recommend it.

Another person asked about having the speedometer recalibrated when
getting a different face on it.  I will have the speedometer
recalibrated myself and it will essentially be "free" to you, (Included
with the $250).  In a way, I would consider this also a "service",
because I will also replace all warning and indicator lamps with brand
new ones.  And I am also considering offering free labor to replace a
broken trip reset arm for the speedo, and re-glueing the plastic trim
around the inside front of the binnacle.

All other off-DML questions I believe I have answered.  If not, please
email me back.  And anyone else who is interested please email me too as
I still need a few more people to do this!

ultra'at'isd.net

The web address for my original post about the backlit dash can be found
here for anyone who is just hearing about this...

http://www.egroups.com/message/dmcnews/13047

Thanks for the interest!!!
-- 
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
'81 DeLorean-#6960
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:47:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Dr Disco <drdisco_40_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The History Channel

Chris, You are right.. I always wanted to own a
DeLorean. I just happened upon the History Channel
special and litterally decided after the show that
since I had the money to start searching for a
DeLorean for myself... Back in the 80's I coundn't
afford one, Now I CAN !!!
I also just by chance went to the DeLorean web site
and was surpised by how many people are still
interested in the car.. I will be buying one before
the end of the year..( kind of a tax thing.. Spend it
or pay taxes on it..) Hope everyone had a great
Thganksgiving..  As soon as I get one I will get a web
site and will let everone know about it.. 



--- Chris Parnham <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net> wrote:
> UK readers.
> 
> Tomorrow, Sat. 20.30hrs on the History Channel,
> "Histories Greatest
> Blunders", The DeLorean...well worth
> recording/watching. Repeated Sunday
> 14.30 hrs.
> 
> 
> Chris P DOC uk vins 5638/12176
> 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:17:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ss_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: DeLoreans in Movies - Rocky III

To all - and those keeping a tally of Ds in movies, 

 I Just saw 1 second of fame for the DeLorean in Rocky III.  In the begining during the Eye of the Tiger music sequence where they are montagueing shots ot Rocky & Clubber Lang a still magizine article of the DeLorean appears on the left side of the screen. 
 I remember being excited when I was little seeing it, but totally forgot about it until now.

Shannon Yocom
VIN# Not Yet!

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:29:26 -0500
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: speedo question...

I'm trying to get an odometer in a new speedo face to match the original in my car. So, I tried the drill in the speedometer to bring the mileage up to where my original odometer is, but at this rate, it might be done by next Christmas! So, now I have the thing apart, and I don't know what to do. Is there any way to disassemble the odometer so I can manually adjust the numbers up to match the actual mileage of my car? Or anything else I can do? I need some suggestions here from people with this type of experience. Somebody please help... Thank you...

---Dan

Oh, by the way... about that hitch for the DeLorean.. I'm sure I can make one if someone really wants one. It can't be that difficult...




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:42:51 -0800
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

Low brake fluid causes the light to come on. If it's intermittent your
probably not low enough for it to stay on all the time. Check for a leaky
master cyl. The leaking fluid will dissolve the epoxy on the frame as well
as the top side of the belly pan under the fuel tank so you should get after
this problem soon.

Bruce Benson


>Could someone explain under what conditions the
> red "brake" light on the dash would come on? > Nate
> #10188
>
> Nathan E. Green





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:57:43 EST
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

Check your brake fluid level. That might do it...

Dave Loffler
Johnston, RI


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:17:04 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Automatic Transmission pan torque

Help!  I just changed out my A/T computer governor and found that there are
no torque specifications listed for the oil pan.  Does anyone know what this
is supposed to be?  Also, what is the torque for the transmission filter
retaining bolts?

I was thinking about just flushing out the filter since I've heard of that
being done before, but it looks like it would be really hard to do a
thorough job.  So I'm planning on opening the thing up like I read on a DML
back issue somewhere long ago.  Does anyone have any advice about crimping
it closed using a silted copper tubing?  Any suggestions on how to make the
slit?

I found that in order to drop the transmission pan, I had to remove the
clamp holding the coolant tube so I could shift them to either side to get a
clean drop on the pan.  That little bit of movement caused a hose to burst
in the front of the car.  I consider myself lucky since it could have just
as well broke while on the road.

It's funny how such a simple job gets so darn complicated.  If I were the
customer, I would have a hard time putting up with a mechanic as slow as
myself and who suddenly tells me that I need a new set of hoses before the
car moves anywhere!

Later,
Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:30:51 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: speedo question...

Dan, do you still have your old speedometer?  If so, you could remove 
the needles on them, swap the 160 face (which I still want to see 
pictures of!!!!) and have your original unit recalibrated for the new 
face.  That is the exact procedure I will be doing when installing the 
backlit faces for my dash project.  Much less complicated than 
dissasembling the odometer.

Jim Reeve
-6960
AIM - Ultra2169

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I'm trying to get an odometer in a new speedo face to match the 
original in my car. So, I tried the drill in the speedometer to bring 
the mileage up to where my original odometer is, but at this rate, it 
might be done by next Christmas! So, now I have the thing apart, and I 
don't know what to do. Is there any way to disassemble the odometer so 
I can manually adjust the numbers up to match the actual mileage of my 
car? Or anything else I can do? I need some suggestions here from 
people with this type of experience. Somebody please help... Thank 
you...
> 
> ---Dan
> 
> Oh, by the way... about that hitch for the DeLorean.. I'm sure I can 
make one if someone really wants one. It can't be that difficult...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:47:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Horseman of PA <the_horseman_pa_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

sometimes the brake switch if jared will make contact
especially if it is the original if you hit a bump or
some other dip in the road this will sometimes cause
the switch which may be worn slightly to suddenly make
contact, this problem is ussally followed by the light
going off almost imeaditly. to fix this problem
replace the brake indicator switch. as far as the
brakes going soft while at a light that may be several
things, check your brakes are calibred correctly and
see if when the brake is applied if they fully seat if
they hang they might catch just to later seat in
several minutes or the tension springs my have to
mutch tension causeing the brake not to completely
seat at first application.

hope this may help
Wayne
--- "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com> wrote:
> Hi all, 
>    Got a question for you. Could someone explain
> under what conditions the
> red "brake" light on the dash would come on? I know
> it isn't b/c of the
> parking brake...the one on mine has been dead for a
> long time. It came on
> while driving the other day. Then went off a minute
> later. It came on
> tonight too, but it was raining out...this car runs
> like crap in the rain.
> So, does this indicate a brake problem, like leakege
> or a master cyl going
> bad?
>    I have noticed the brake pedal getting a bit
> soft, esp if you sit on it
> for a LONG time(like at a traffic light). The
> previous owner says the brakes
> were done last January. Hmmmm. Also, I see no
> puddles under the car and the
> brake fluid level is OK with no change. Are these
> two problems linked and
> can someone help diagnose. Thanks.
> 
> Nate
> #10188
> 
> Nathan E. Green
> gzen21_at_dml_excite.com
> 
> "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits
> 88mph you're gonna' see
> some serious s--t"
> -Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 18:46:10 -0500
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Digital Dash pictures

Well,
        I have pictures of the first digital dash, done in blue.  Other
colors are teal and green.  I'll see what can be done for them.  My dash
will most likely be teal so I might just send pictures of that if I don't
get them from Dakota.  I can email them to anyone interested or just plain
curious.  If they made it in red I would even send a picture to Curtis....:)
Dakota has even developed a dash housing so all you have to do is remove
your gauges and slip in their package.  This way you don't have to send them
your dash for fitting and installation.  I'll know more about pricing when
they come back with a final version.

Matthew
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:26:51 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Radiator question

Steve,

All of the factory installed radiators contained plastic side tanks. The all
brass radiators have been available since 1984 and have been routinely
installed since than.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Rubano <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:00 AM
Subject: [DML] Radiator question


> I removed my radiator the other day and took a good look at it. Now I
> know that the OEM ones had Plastic holding tanks BUT mine, for some
> strange reason, has a BRASS tank (and soldered on not clamped) on the
> right (passenger side) and on the left (drivers) is plastic (clamped
> on). My question is this: Do/did the OEM's have plastic tanks on both
> sides of the radiator or a brass/plastic set up like mine? If both
> tanks are plastic then I think a previous owner had it rebuilt and
> they installed a Brass tank on one side? Very strange. Was just
> curious on this one.





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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:23:19 -0500
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: Brake Light...

Mine is in storage right now and I am not going to go out in the dead of
night.. or the cold to check, but I believe mine does come on when you put
on the parking brake.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 August  1981 Build NYS Lic: 1981 DMC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan E. Green [mailto:gzen21_at_dml_excite.com]
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:40 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Brake Light...


Hi all,
   Got a question for you. Could someone explain under what conditions the
red "brake" light on the dash would come on? I know it isn't b/c of the
parking brake...the one on mine has been dead for a long time. It came on
while driving the other day. Then went off a minute later. It came on
tonight too, but it was raining out...this car runs like crap in the rain.
So, does this indicate a brake problem, like leakege or a master cyl going
bad?
   I have noticed the brake pedal getting a bit soft, esp if you sit on it
for a LONG time(like at a traffic light). The previous owner says the brakes
were done last January. Hmmmm. Also, I see no puddles under the car and the
brake fluid level is OK with no change. Are these two problems linked and
can someone help diagnose. Thanks.

Nate
#10188

Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"





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