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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Other modifications
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. the other jsc driver
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

3. Completely draining automatic transmission
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

4. BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

5. Re: Brake Light...
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Brake Light...
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

7. Re: Digital Dash pictures
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

8. Digital dash pictures posted
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

9. Re: speedo question... (UPDATE!)
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Re: Brake Light...
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. RE: speedo question...
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

12. RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>

13. Re: Re: Delorean Goodyear ads
From: Stephen Jarvis <jarvist_at_dml_mindspring.com>

14. RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: nheywo - Nick Heywood <nick.heywood_at_dml_acxiom.com>

15. RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

16. Wanted: one or two power window console switches
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. KPH Speedo Face- WAS:Digital Dash pictures
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

18. Starting Problems
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>

19. RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>

20. Re: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

21. Re: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 22:56:48 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Other modifications

I saw the DMC stainless trailer on the pndc website. That's a cute idea.
And the tow package. That's just weird (sorry; I know I'd rather a DMC tow my DMC, but still... :)

But what I'm really interested in:
has anyone lengthened a DMC to add another set of seats?

I know JZD was going to produce a four seater if things worked out, and boy I wish they had.

I don't want to risk "ruining" my D, but perhaps some else has. Maybe someday when I have time and money I could pick up another and try that trick.....

Comments?
-Kevin
#4687


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:21:51 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: the other jsc driver

is "nasman" on the list?
email me privately at this account or kcreason(at)ems.jsc.nasa.gov.
We should get together.


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:45:13 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Completely draining automatic transmission

Is it safe to start the engine for a few seconds while the pan is off of the
transmission?  I'm wondering if this might help flush some of the old fluid
out.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:01:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

Guys,

I was watching Back to the Future a few weeks ago and paused the tape at a
closeup of the spedometer. To my surprise, the car had a 95 MPH
spedometer. Were these ever made, or do you think universal studios just
repainted an 85 MPH one?

-Christian




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:46:01 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

Nate,

There are two things that can make the brake light come on.  The first and
most obvious is having the parking brake on.  The second reason is as a low
fluid warning indicator.  There are other reasons why brake warning lights
can come on with other cars, but the Delorean only uses the two mentioned
above.  The following is a quote from the Delorean Worship Manual, err, I
mean Workshop manual L:09:01, "Testing the operation of the low fluid
warning device:  Press the small rubber diaphragm located on the reservoir
cap, if the brake warning light (on the instrument cluster) illuminates, the
operation of the fluid warning is correct."  So perhaps you may be low on
fluid after all.

I doubt that the presence of rain has anything to do with your brake light
coming on.  If your car runs bad in wet weather, that is a symptom of a
problem in the ignition system.  Perhaps it is from a spark coil sensitive
to humidity, bad insulation on a plug wire, or water getting inside of a
spark plug boot.  Another possibility is corrosion in the electrical
connection at the frequency valve.  You might try checking that your spark
plug wires are properly seated on the plugs.  My D came with two plugs
disconnected!  This wasn't visible because the boot hid the problem.  The
car still ran pretty good because there was enough spark to jump the gap.

If your brakes go soft after keeping your foot on the pedal for a while,
this is a symptom of a leaky seal in your master cylinder or fluid leaking
out of the system at a bad caliper.  If it is the later, then you will soon
run out of brake fluid and you will really have a problem.  If a caliper is
leaking, there usually isn't enough fluid involved to make a puddle on the
floor.

It sounds like you need to have your brakes done again.  Perhaps the
previous owner was misleading you about the recent brake job or maybe the
wrong type of brake fluid was used which rotted out the seals.  Maybe they
did a brake job but decided that the master cylinder or some of the calipers
didn't need rebuilding but now it does.

Food for thought...
Walt    Tampa, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan E. Green <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
>   Could someone explain under what conditions the
>red "brake" light on the dash would come on?
>So, does this indicate a brake problem, like leakege or a master cyl going
>bad?
>   I have noticed the brake pedal getting a bit soft, esp if you sit on it
>for a LONG time(like at a traffic light). The previous owner says the
brakes
>were done last January




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:09:34 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

> Got a question for you. Could someone explain under what conditions the
> red "brake" light on the dash would come on? I know it isn't b/c of the
> parking brake...the one on mine has been dead for a long time. 

It actually does light when the parking-brake is applied...
Maybe your micro-switch is disconnected or faulty.
It's part# 100822 and can be found in the partsmanual in 
section 6-2-1, on the picture it is pointed out by a 3.

> It came on while driving the other day. Then went off a minute later. 
> It came on tonight too, but it was raining out...

The light also comes on when your brake-fluid is too low, but since that 
switch is on top of the master-brake-cilinder, maybe some moisture
is shorting out the switch, makeing the light come on.

On most modern cars there's also a Wear-indicator on the brake-pads,
making the warning-light come on when the (front) pads need replacing.
A DeLorean doesn't have such a set-up, sa you can rule that out for sure.

Good luck on trouble-shooting,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:18:41 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Digital Dash pictures

Hello,

> I have pictures of the first digital dash, done in blue.
[snip]
> I can email them to anyone interested or just plain curious. 

I'm actually just interested, I really like the original Dash;
hadn't thought so, but since I bought mine I've grown quite
attached to it; the only alteration I might consider is putting
on a different face (170MPH or preferably a 230 (240?)kmh-one).
Unfortunately the km-readings are even closer together on the 
170mph-version, making its "resolution" even less...

Couldn't you post the pictures to the vault?
That way everyone can see them, without you having to send them
for every request...

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:44:51 -0500
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Digital dash pictures posted

At the request of several users I have posted the Digital Dash pictures.
They are on the eGroups website under the folder "DigitalDash."  Please
email me with any questions you may have.

Enjoy!

Matthew
VIN #10365




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:42:47 -0500
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: speedo question... (UPDATE!)

I have solved my odometer matching problem. Rather than mess with the odometer and try to bring up the mileage on the 160mph face to match my original miles, I'm gonna just keep my stock one, swap the speedo faces and recalibrate it. It's easier than dismantling anything and breaking something. If the needle breaks, I'm just sticking with my plain old 85mph face. Thanks for all the replies.

---Dan



>I'm trying to get an odometer in a new speedo face to match the original in my car. >So, I tried the drill in the speedometer to bring the mileage up to where my original >odometer is, but at this rate, it might be done by next Christmas! So, now I have the >thing apart, and I don't know what to do. Is there any way to disassemble the >odometer so I can manually adjust the numbers up to match the actual mileage of my >car? Or anything else I can do? I need some suggestions here from people with this >type of experience. Somebody please help... Thank you...
>
>---Dan




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:58:57 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Light...

What do you mean by "done" in refering to the brake system? Don't 
worry about the brake light yet. It comes on for only 2 reasons, the 
parking brake is applied ( or switch out of adjustment) and brake 
fluid level. There is no proportioning valve or metering valve to warn 
you that a front or rear system has a failure! The first thing to do 
is flush thoughly and bleed the entire brake system with Castrol GTLMA 
dot 4 fluid. If the pedal still drops away and there are no leaks you 
 will need a master clyinder. If the light still comes on then you 
probably need to adjust the switch on the parking brake or maybe 
something is preventing it from going all the way down, the carpet or 
maybe a coin got into the works.
  On the problem of "running like crap in the rain" the cause is most 
likely a high voltage breakdown of some part or parts in the secondary 
ignition circuit, cap, rotor, plugs, wires, coil. It sounds like the 
car needs a complete going over from brakes to tune-up. I would try to 
get the emergency brake "alive" (not dead) again. You must have an 
automatic because if it isn't it is very unsafe without and to park in 
gear. With the troubles you are having in your service brakes it is 
especially dangerous to drive without an emergency (parking) brake.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Hi all, 
>    Got a question for you. Could someone explain under what 
conditions the
> red "brake" light on the dash would come on? I know it isn't b/c of 
the
> parking brake...the one on mine has been dead for a long time. It 
came on
> while driving the other day. Then went off a minute later. It came 
on
> tonight too, but it was raining out...this car runs like crap in the 
rain.
> So, does this indicate a brake problem, like leakege or a master cyl 
going
> bad?
>    I have noticed the brake pedal getting a bit soft, esp if you sit 
on it
> for a LONG time(like at a traffic light). The previous owner says 
the brakes
> were done last January. Hmmmm. Also, I see no puddles under the car 
and the
> brake fluid level is OK with no change. Are these two problems 
linked and
> can someone help diagnose. Thanks.
> 
> Nate
> #10188
> 
> Nathan E. Green
> gzen21_at_dml_e...
> 
> "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're 
gonna' see
> some serious s--t"
> -Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:51:29 -0500
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: speedo question...

You should be able to take it apart and change the numbers and put it
back together.  I have done a few without any problems.  (nothing
illegal if it is for your own use and not to cause fraud)  If you cant
figure it out, just send it to me and I will fix it for you.
 
Jack in Richmond.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Danrc30 
	Sent: Sat 11/25/2000 5:29 PM 
	To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [DML] speedo question...
	
	

	I'm trying to get an odometer in a new speedo face to match the
original in my car. So, I tried the drill in the speedometer to bring
the mileage up to where my original odometer is, but at this rate, it
might be done by next Christmas! So, now I have the thing apart, and I
don't know what to do. Is there any way to disassemble the odometer so I
can manually adjust the numbers up to match the actual mileage of my
car? Or anything else I can do? I need some suggestions here from people
with this type of experience. Somebody please help... Thank you...
	
	---Dan
	
	Oh, by the way... about that hitch for the DeLorean.. I'm sure I
can make one if someone really wants one. It can't be that difficult...
	
	
	
	
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:47:34 -0500
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

Universal did alter the speedo face.  I am sure it would not be a big deal
to recalibrate and make a new face showing 95 MPH.  Another funny thought...
I doubt that they did the recalibration, so the Time Machine goes back in
time at 78 MPH.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 August  1981 Build NYS Lic: 1981 DMC
'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible V6
'98 Red Dodge Ram Quad Cab Lariat
'01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/ Flames
Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Williams [mailto:delorean_at_dml_framezero.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 6:01 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer


Guys,

I was watching Back to the Future a few weeks ago and paused the tape at a
closeup of the spedometer. To my surprise, the car had a 95 MPH
spedometer. Were these ever made, or do you think universal studios just
repainted an 85 MPH one?

-Christian



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:44:49 -0500
From: Stephen Jarvis <jarvist_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Goodyear ads

John Sullivan wrote:

>"The letter states that the "Goodyear ad" will be appearing in the 
>November 30th 1981 edition of the New Yorker magazine. Hope this 
>helps..."

>"(Included in the records were actual copies of all the adds which 
>I intend to frame)"

John, would it be possible to scan the ad and make it available to download?? 


Steve Jarvis
#3542




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:30:31 +1100
From: nheywo - Nick Heywood <nick.heywood_at_dml_acxiom.com>
Subject: RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

>>Jack & Virginia wrote:

>>'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible V6

Call me pedantic, and please accuse me of going slightly off topic, but I
thought Z3s only came with straight sixes?? Might be different over there in
the States, but here in Oz and indeed back in the UK, Z3s come with (I
think) 1.9 litre fours, 2.0 litre sixes, 2.8 litre sixes, and of course the
mad 3.2 six from the M3... do you guys have something different?

Nick - who apologises again for being pedantic.



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:00:09 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

In a message dated Sun, 26 Nov 2000  8:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Jack 
& Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com> writes:

<< Universal did alter the speedo face.  I am sure it would not be a big deal
to recalibrate and make a new face showing 95 MPH.  Another funny thought...
I doubt that they did the recalibration, so the Time Machine goes back in
time at 78 MPH.>>

the way i see it, if the speedo actually was repainted to be 95 mph, then 
they would have to fit more increments in the same space, correct?  that 
means 88mph would not directly correspond to 78mph, it would in fact be 
closer to 81mph on an 85mph speedo!!  

maybe i'm thinking about this too much...
Andy




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:15:26 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Wanted: one or two power window console switches

hello all,

sorry to post a parts wanted ad to the list, but i'm looking for at least one 
switch for the power windows for my 82D with the double-headed arrow on it.  
right now i have one that is blank, and one that has the arrow.  in my quest 
to 'fixing up' my car, i'd like to get this detail.  i've tried delorean.com 
for the part, but they do not have it listed in any of their online pages.  
very strange, maybe these parts are all sold out?

if it makes a difference, i have a black console.  i'm not sure if the switch 
color varied with black or gray consoles.

please send a private email if you can help me out!

Andy
11596



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 03:38:36 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: KPH Speedo Face- WAS:Digital Dash pictures

Jan van de Wouw,
If you would like to have metric faces for your dash, then maybe you 
should consider the backlit one I'm working on.  Printing up metric 
faces (including TEMP and OIL PRES) shouldn't be a problem to do.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> I really like the original Dash;
> hadn't thought so, but since I bought mine I've grown quite
> attached to it; the only alteration I might consider is putting
> on a different face (170MPH or preferably a 230 (240?)kmh-one).
> Unfortunately the km-readings are even closer together on the 
> 170mph-version, making its "resolution" even less...

Jim Reeve
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:22:39 -0500
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
Subject: Starting Problems

Hey guys,
       I have had my Delorean about a week and have only been able to drive
it once. I would have drove it more but it won't start. I checked the gas
and infact put 2 gallons if 93 octane in it. When I try to start the car it
cranks, puffs out grey smoke from the exhaust(obviously gas smoke) and then
stops. It acts like it wants to start but it doesn't sound like it is
getting a spark. I thought it may be the distributor? I got the car from a
very dry climate and I live in a very cold and damp climate. If that bit of
information helps the diagnosis.

Joel

#3121




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:54:11 -0500
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

Oops, sorry the US does have the straight 6 to my knowledge only the 2.8 at
the time of my purchase (the 4 was way to small).  I made the signature in
haste and didn't think about it too much.  Thanks for the heads up, in the
future I will be more careful.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 August  1981 Build NYS Lic: 1981 DMC
'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 2.8 6 Cyl -- not the baby 4
'98 Red Dodge Ram Quad Cab Lariat
'01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/ Flames
Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nheywo - Nick Heywood [mailto:nick.heywood_at_dml_acxiom.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:31 PM
To: 'dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [DML] BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer


>>Jack & Virginia wrote:

>>'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible V6

Call me pedantic, and please accuse me of going slightly off topic, but I
thought Z3s only came with straight sixes?? Might be different over there in
the States, but here in Oz and indeed back in the UK, Z3s come with (I
think) 1.9 litre fours, 2.0 litre sixes, 2.8 litre sixes, and of course the
mad 3.2 six from the M3... do you guys have something different?

Nick - who apologises again for being pedantic.


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:50:53 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

> The actual facts are that universal added 10 mph increments to the speedo.
> However, there is no 15

mph on the speedo, so the unit did not work accurately.  IN fact there is no
way to get a linear speedo to do what the scale read on the speedo in the
movie.

In order for the speedo to be accurate and appear as it  did in the movie
with 55 mph at the top.  It would have had to go from 0 to 105 mph.







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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:34:29 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: BTTF 95 MPH Spedometer

As Bruce mentions here, this will be the last of this thread...This Week's Moderator. 


OK, lets settle this once and for all. Anyone got this on DVD? If so take the 
known length of the car, use it as a reference and figure out how far the car 
travels. Divide that by the time taken and we will have the correct speed at 
which this movie clip was shot. If this fails to come up with an answer, then 
please kill this thread.
Bruce Battles
Vin 06569


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