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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Old door strut and first trip
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

2. Automatic Trans Parts
From: dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Wanted: one or two power window console switches
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Re: speedo question...
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Speedometers and Federal Law....
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>

6. Remark made in Car and Driver
From: "Matthew Spittle" <mds328_at_dml_psu.edu>

7. Gullwing toy
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

8. Re: DeLoreans in Movies - Rocky III
From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_clivepearse.com>

9. Re: Re: speedo question...
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

10. Sensitive Torsion Bars?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: speedo question...
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

12. Best place to get a starter?
From: "Hotmail" <sheilaridez_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. Re: Sensitive Torsion Bars?
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

14. RE: Best place to get a starter?
From: "Bryn Potter (NEC)" <v-brynp_at_dml_microsoft.com>

15. Re: Sensitive Torsion Bars?
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

16. Gray door hangers
From: dickross_at_dml_indra.com

17. Re: Re: speedo question...
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Odometer thread is dead
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

19. Door Keys
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:52:01 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Old door strut and first trip

Hello List,
    Well, We just bought a 3000 GT today so that means the DeLorean must 
leave the garage for the winter.  It hasnt really been driven since 
1991(maybe 20 around the block miles since) I bought it in 1998 non running 
and partially smashed but now its all together.
    I am getting it ready to take it on a hour long journey to storage until 
I can have my garage space back in March.  I put all new ignition components 
in it and a new fuel filter,  I changed the oil and checked the tranny fluid 
and put all new gas in it.
    I just bought a windshield from DMC Houston about an hour ago so the cops 
wont pull me over.  I think it can make it.  I will put insurance on it for 
one day next week.  I drove it for 20 minutes just now on back roads, under 
40 MPH and everything went fine so I think it can make the trip.  wish me 
luck!  I just bought new doors struts for it so I would like to save them if 
possible. I need just ONE old door strut that maybe only holds the door 2/3 
open just while its in storage for these few months.  if anyone has one they 
would let go please let me know asap:)

Thank You
David



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:50:50 EST
From: dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Automatic Trans Parts

Hello,

       Does anyone have an extra working A/T Fluid Pump?

Chris
11388


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:15:56 EST
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: one or two power window console switches

Andy,


   There is a guy who sells a paint kit that takes care of the arrow thing. 
When I was in Cleveland I saw the guy because he had a booth. I think the 
decal kit was $10.00 and you just paint it on.

Bill



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:50:46 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: speedo question...

David,

You said:

"To DMC Joe the speedo is as tamperproof as any car's speedo which is to say
that it can be tampered with if anyone is so inclined".

My comment was to impress to the reader that: "It is against FEDERAL law to
tamper with a speedometer".

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: speedo question...


> To jack singer and all other members of the list
>
> I don't know about Virginia but the last time I checked it was still
> part of the U.S.A. It is against FEDERAL law to tamper with a
> speedometer. I live in New Jersey and they take it seriously. On the
> title when you sell the car you certify to the mileage. If the speedo
> is touched it is to be recorded by a sticker on the door. It is true
> in some states after so many years they are more leniant but be warned
> if you tamper with the mileage any purcheser or subsequent owner would
> have the right to come after you for fraud. The lamda counter could
> possibly be used to confirm the mileage and any service records that a
> Delorean vender may have could also help. The bottom line is DON'T
> TAMPER WITH THE SPEEDO.
> Having a shop recalibrate is completly legal.To DMC joe the speedo is
> as tamperproof as any car's speedo which is to say that it can be
> tampered with if anyone is so inclined.There are many ways to look at
> a car and estimate the mileage from general appearances to tires
> to wear on interior items.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757





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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:53:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Speedometers and Federal Law....


>  To jack singer and all other members of the list
>  
>  I don't know about Virginia but the last time I checked it was still 
>  part of the U.S.A. It is against FEDERAL law to tamper with a 
>  speedometer. I live in New Jersey and they take it seriously.   

This is incorrect. I have titled cars in four different states. In all
cases, it plainly states on the title "Federal Law requires you to state
mileage in connection with transfer of ownership." On the back of the title
you indicate the milegage on the odometer. However, 3 out of the four times,
I was allowed to put "Exempt" in for the mileage because the vehicle was
over 12 yrs old.(this is a federal law from what I understand). Thus, if you
put EXEMPT on the title, I fail to see how anyone can contest the mileage on
the car. As long as you told them, if they accused fraud,it would be a
"he-said/she-said" situation. 

I have never heard of a law of "tampering" with the odometer unless you try
to commit fraud. I.E., as long as you don't try to sell the vehicle with
fraudulent mileage, I don't see a problem.  With a simple "EXEMPT" on the
title, I fail to see how anyone can construe fraud. Maybe it is different in
New Jersey, but it has been the same for me in the four states I have bought
vehicles in(hence, it is not a federal law from what I can tell).

Just trying to help. As long as you are forthright with any future owner and
only testify to what you know about the car, you should be all right. How is
this any different than calibrating your speedo? Are you breaking the law if
you fix a non-working odometer? I could be wrong, this is my interpretation.
Is there any lawyers out there?

Nate 

Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:58:55 -0500
From: "Matthew Spittle" <mds328_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: Remark made in Car and Driver

If any of you remember the segment on the DeLorean on TNN's Car & Driver you
may recall the part where the host says "Repairing a dent required a whole
new section."  Is this claim valid?  I thought dents and the like were
relatively easy to remove from a DeLorean provided the person is familiar
with working with stainless steel?  Please inform.

Matt




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:00:38 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Gullwing toy

DMC toy collectors,

For your information, I found a wee model of the BMW gullwing sportscar last
weekend in Manila. It is the same scale as the diecast "Zee" DeLorean and
Mercedes gullwing models.

Cheers,            IAN (Hong Kong)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 04:24:12 -0000
From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_clivepearse.com>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans in Movies - Rocky III

Yeah, this shot can be seen in slow motion on my site.  Go to the 
section named, D's ON TV!  There you can discover other shows, 
movies, etc. the DeLorean has appeared in.

http://www.entermyworld.com

Regards,
Tamir
http://www.entermyworld.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Shannon Yocom <ss_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> To all - and those keeping a tally of Ds in movies, 
> 
>  I Just saw 1 second of fame for the DeLorean in Rocky III.  In the 
begining during the Eye of the Tiger music sequence where they are 
montagueing shots ot Rocky & Clubber Lang a still magizine article of 
the DeLorean appears on the left side of the screen. 
>  I remember being excited when I was little seeing it, but totally 
forgot about it until now.
> 
> Shannon Yocom
> VIN# Not Yet!
> 
> _____________________________________________________________
> YourName_at_dml_d... -- it's free from <a href="http://www.delorean.com"> 
DeLorean Motor Company</a>!




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:30:01 EST
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: speedo question...

I too live in New Jersey.  It is not illegal to repair the speedo or service 
it in any way which does not alter the vehicles mileage.  I believe Dan 
stated originally he wanted the new speedo to read the same mileage as the 
car had on the old unit.  This is ok and allowed.  Being in Law Enforcement, 
I have read the statutes and directives pertaining to this in the Motor 
Vehicle Code here in NJ (Title 39) for related instances in the past.  Any 
"altering" or "tampering" is illegal.  However I dont think thats what was 
intended.  Any certified shop can document the mileage for you and correct 
the new unit to match. 

Gary Gore

In a message dated 11/27/00 6:35:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:

<< To jack singer and all other members of the list
 
 I don't know about Virginia but the last time I checked it was still 
 part of the U.S.A. It is against FEDERAL law to tamper with a 
 speedometer. I live in New Jersey and they take it seriously. >>



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:52:27
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Sensitive Torsion Bars?

Hello,
Could someone please explain to me the weird functions of the torsion bars? 
I've noticed that the doors drop in cold weather and dont drop very much in 
warm weather.

Is it possible to compensate in any way for the different door behaviour due 
to temperature? Ive heard that you shouldnt overadjust the torsion bars...

I have new gas struts yet I would like the doors to raise fully open 
regardless of cold or warm temperature. Is this possible?

Best wishes from COLD Norway,
Stian Birkeland

VIN #06759

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:07:19 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: speedo question...

When I get my Dakota Digital dash, I'm going to make the milage show what
the OEM odometer says.  If I'm not very accurate about it, would that be a
crime?

I think the DMC odometer and GM's of the same era are probably the same or
very similar.  I repaired one before (GM) and it was quite simple.  The
steel pin that all the numbered wheels spin on was rusted and stopped some
of them from turning.  I just took it apart, cleaned out the rust, gave it a
little oil and it was fine ever since.  Chances are, the odometer part of
the speedo is a module that can be swapped.  If not, I venture to say it
would be a piece of cake to make the numbers say whatever you want.  As far
as being tamper proof...  If you consider having to bend a few metal tabs
aside to lift a cover off...  Not so.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:37:39 -0600
From: "Hotmail" <sheilaridez_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Best place to get a starter?

Hi,   I need an entire starter mechanism now (minus the solenoid) for my 81 D.  I thought only the solenoid was blown, but low and behold I was wrong :)  Where is the least expensive place to pick one up at?  Will another car's starter work?
Thanks,
Michael Schaefer
1118


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:37:19 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Sensitive Torsion Bars?

To my knoledge, the torsion bars are not affected by temperature.  
However, the struts are.  Old struts are even more sensitive (like 
mine).  But you said you have new struts.  If these are confirmed 
good, and your doors will not stay up even when pushed all the way up, 
you DO need a torsion bar adjustment.  If you do this yourself or have 
anyone else do it, be ABSOLUTELY SURE you know EXACTLY what you are 
doing.  I have performed this procedure with an original owner who had 
done this many times before, and we still almost managed to shatter 
the rear window, (fortunately, we just got away with a small chip).

Good Luck.
Jim Reeve
-6960

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Could someone please explain to me the weird functions of the 
torsion bars? 
> I've noticed that the doors drop in cold weather and dont drop very 
much in 
> warm weather.





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:58:52 -0800
From: "Bryn Potter (NEC)" <v-brynp_at_dml_microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Best place to get a starter?

Unless your starter casing is destroyed, have it rebuilt at a local
automotive electric shop. I had mine rebuilt in Bellevue, Wa it was only
$85.00.

~Bryn
10010

-----Original Message-----
From: Hotmail [mailto:sheilaridez_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:38 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Best place to get a starter?


Hi,   I need an entire starter mechanism now (minus the solenoid) for my 81
D.  I thought only the solenoid was blown, but low and behold I was wrong :)
Where is the least expensive place to pick one up at?  Will another car's
starter work?
Thanks,
Michael Schaefer
1118


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:39:28 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Sensitive Torsion Bars?

You could adjust the bars to make your doors come up fully in the 
cold but that is NOT advisable. When it gets warmer out your doors 
will "bounce" up and that is not a good thing. I am sure if you ask 
DMC Joe he will have the proper answer on adjusting them or not. BTW 
Cold wheather also effects the gas struts.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Could someone please explain to me the weird functions of the 
torsion bars? 
> I've noticed that the doors drop in cold weather and dont drop very 
much in 
> warm weather.
> 
> Is it possible to compensate in any way for the different door 
behaviour due 
> to temperature? Ive heard that you shouldnt overadjust the torsion 
bars...
> 
> I have new gas struts yet I would like the doors to raise fully 
open 
> regardless of cold or warm temperature. Is this possible?
> 
> Best wishes from COLD Norway,
> Stian Birkeland
> 
> VIN #06759
> 
> 
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:29:32 -0700
From: dickross_at_dml_indra.com
Subject: Gray door hangers

Does anyone have an extra set of gray door hangers for sale?  I had
black ones and someone on the list (Mike Pack) said he had gray ones and
would trade.  I sent him the black ones but he never sent me the gray
ones.  So we need to beware when trading items.  Anyhow, I need good
gray ones now.  Any help?
Dick Ross
Vin 3000




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:43:49 -0800
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: speedo question...

There is a Federal Statute dealing with Odometers.  It is at 49 USC Sections 
32701 et seq.  Technically, changing the milage reading, even with no intent 
to defraud, is a violation.  You may not "disconnect, reset, alter, or have 
disconnected, reset, or altered, an odeometer of a motor vehicle intending 
to change the milage registered by the odometer." (section 32703)  So even 
if you are changing the reading to be CORRECT, you are technically violating 
the statute.

Brian
16584


>From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Re: speedo question...
>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:07:19 -0500
>
>When I get my Dakota Digital dash, I'm going to make the milage show what
>the OEM odometer says.  If I'm not very accurate about it, would that be a
>crime?


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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:29:42 -0800
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Odometer thread is dead

There does not appear to be any new real information on this thread although
there appear to be a lot of opinions. Additional speculation/opinions on
this thread will be dropped.

		Knut




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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:59:24 -0500
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
Subject: Door Keys

I am in need of door key blanks for my mid-year 81 Delorean. One of the
former owners lost them so I now can't take my Delorean anywhere unless I
risk someone getting into it. If anyone knows what the key blank number is
that will be helpful. Also anyone who has just un-cut door keys that will be
helpful too.

Joel

#3121




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