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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. East TN area owners!
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: DoorLock-wiring
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

3. Re: cabin lights
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

4. Re: Condensating Quarter-windows
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

5. Re: cabin lights
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

6. Delorean for sale:
From: hembry2612_at_dml_aol.com

7. DeLorean Wallpaper
From: "Kevin " <delorean_at_dml_canada.com>

8. Front suspension springs 4sale
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

9. Re: DeLorean Wallpaper
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

10. Partial throttle problems
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>

11. RE: Re: Dielectric grease
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

12. DeLorean for sale, NJ
From: "DOUG T VENNER" <dmc12_at_dml_prodigy.net>

13. Facia Paint
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

14. Re: Partial throttle problems
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

15. Re: Re: Fuses-a new question
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: Partial throttle problems
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

17. Re: Partial throttle problems
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:36:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: East TN area owners!

A few of us Knox,TN area owners were together today (as we
are almost every Sunday) and discussed the possibility of
starting an area club.  Just informal get togethers or
what-not.  

If there are any D owners close to Knoxville; E.TN,
W.Carloinas, SE Kentucky, N. Georgia, or anywhere that
would be interested in doing this let me know.  It would be
great for more local owners to get together to share their
expertise with the other owners and to have fun..Maybe even
have some driving tours of the Great Smokies or wherever we
end up! 

I know there are several DeLoreans in the area; however,
the owners have not come out of the woodwork yet! If anyone
has any tips on starting a succesful club I wouldn't mind
some pointers!


-On another note-- Sean Howley, Joe Palatinus, and I
removed the left front fender on my car today.  A
professional that works on the cars at my work will be
removing the dent this Thursday. He assured me that he
shouldn't have any probs removing my dent, as long as I
removed the fender off of the car for him.  I will post to
the list the success of my dent removal! I hope all goes
well.  I have the car cover on the car so that no one will
wonder why the fender and hood is off of my car!


Later,

Aaron Posey
#3202 --
Happy Holidays!!!!

cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com 
 800-936-6904



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:28:43 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: DoorLock-wiring

While I do not have a for-sure answer on this one, but it is possible that the
vendor that supplies "Zilla" with the connectors builds them with the wire
there..  

Instead of removing the wire from the connector, it is just easier to leave it
there and do nothing.


AGAIN, this is just a possibility based on my knowledge of how electronic parts
are sold.


Jan van de Wouw wrote:
<SNIP>
> Pin #1 is'n used or even wired on the module-side...
> If I remember correctly there IS a (yellow(?)) wire connected
> to pin 1 of my LockZilla, I'm not sure if this is connected on
> the cars' wiring harness too, but I was wondering what this
> wire could be for?
> 
<SNIP>



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:55:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: cabin lights

Wow, I have the same problem with my recently-bought Delorean. The rear
light turns on when I open the doors, but I can't get the front light to
do so, however, it does work in the always on position. I think I know
what's up with the dealy. If you open a door and shut it quickly, the
light will stay on. But if you open the door for maybe 10 seconds or so,
and then close it, the interior light turns off right away. My guess is
that it's supposed to work that way.

-Christian

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Kevin Creason wrote:

> Also, while poking around behind the seats, I just discovered the rear
> light. I've only had the car a monthish, so that's not THAT bad of me
> not to have seen it before.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:24:08 -0000
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Condensating Quarter-windows

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" wrote:
> This is a long shot but the condensation problem could
> be caused by  cooling system leak and then the steam
> would condense on the windows. 
[snip]
> If you haven't done a cooling system 
> service in many years perhaps it is time to replace
> all of the hoses  and maybe the condensation will go away.

I Think you've misunderstand my problem:
My windows aren't fogging up during a drive, 
but during the night; when my car sits outside...

I don't know when the cooling-system was checked last (I only 
bought the car two months ago), but before buying I did check 
the hoses. None of them are brittle and I am not loosing coolant.
Actually, my cars' cooling-system works quite well!

Thanks for your comments anyway,

Jan van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

Check out the DeLorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:29:37 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: cabin lights

Yep - this is more-or-less normal, although you are supposed to be 
able to have the door open a litle longer than ten seconds. But parts 
are aging etc. etc. "Your mileage may vary" as they say.

There was a modification "invented" a long time ago - it's in one of 
the old DWorlds. The Mod was supposed to make it act "normal" i.e. 
the delay in turning off was always the same no matter how long the 
door was open (like in many other cars). If I recall correctly the mod used a timer chip instead of an RC circuit to set the delay time. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_f...> 
wrote:
> .....If you open a door and shut it quickly, the
> light will stay on. But if you open the door for maybe 10 seconds 
or so,
> and then close it, the interior light turns off right away. My 
guess is
> that it's supposed to work that way.
> 
> -Christian





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:28:30 EST
From: hembry2612_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Delorean for sale:

I have a 1981 Delorean I have decided to sell. The car has   less than 10,000 
miles and is a good car, I just can't give it the time or attention it 
deserves.  The car was purchased new by me. It is now located in the west 
Texas area and I am asking
12,500 for the car.  If interested please contact me at this e-mail or phone 
915-6971342. 


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:13:42 -0000
From: "Kevin " <delorean_at_dml_canada.com>
Subject: DeLorean Wallpaper

Okay, here's an interesting idea

  Has anyone ever found some DeLorean wallpaper, (possibly a border 
that would go around the top of the walls,) or had a company create 
some for them?  I would be interested in finding this out.

Kevin
DRIVE STAINLESS

DeLorean Canada 
www.geocities.com/deloreancanada/




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:22:56 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Front suspension springs 4sale

If anyone is interested I am selling my original front suspension 
springs for $90 (that's for both, not each), price negotiable. They 
have 32,000 miles on them and are in good condition. I replaced them 
with Grady's new one and a half inch lowered springs so I do not need 
them anymore.

Please email me at dmcman73[at]hotmail.com with a reasonable offer. 

Thanks.

"Seasons Greetings"
Steve Rubano
www.dmcman.homestead.com




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:03:04 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Wallpaper

I heard that Kinkos was able to pull something like this off once. It didnt 
look as professional as real wallpaper, but close.

Maybe you should consider silver/grey/charcoal wallpaper or paint?

Justin
VIN 5172



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:05:50 -0000
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Partial throttle problems

We have a 1983 DMC with 84k miles on it, which we have refurbished. 
Since we started the engine, upon deceleration or light throttle the 
engine bucks and jerks. We have replaced fuel pump, filter, 
accumulator, injectors, distributor cap and rotor, ht leads, 
plugs,oxygen sensor, and injector seals. A Volvo specialist has set 
the mixture and the timing is at the prescribed 13 degrees BTDC. We 
have tried everything we know possible, and have checked and fixed 
every vacuum leak. The car accelerates smoothly, all 6 injectors 
deliver exactly the same amount of fuel, the frequency valve is 
operating, we have set the throttle switches correctly, the vacuum 
advance on the distributor is not sticking. Any ideas on what could 
be causing this? Nothing we have done has had any effect. We notice 
even with new injectors at low flow, the pattern is not a perfect 
cone on every one. Could it be that the new injectors are bad, and we 
are not getting perfect atomization at low flow?




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:21:34 -0600
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Dielectric grease


If I'm not mistaken, many modern cars have dielectric grease on/in all
connections.  The grease eliminates air and water that can cause the
connection to corrode (especially dissimilar metals).  Given the choice of a
dirty connector with dielectric grease and one that corroded, I'd use the
dielectric grease.  For that matter, I use dielectric grease at all
connections in an attempt to put off corrosion.

Nick Kemp
Deer Lake Orchard




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:59:37 -0500
From: "DOUG T VENNER" <dmc12_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: DeLorean for sale, NJ

I REALLY hate to do this But:
I am considering selling my 1983 DeLorean(#16680), Lack of time and The need
of Garage space.
Car is ALWAYS Garage Kept
Black/Grey interior, 5-speed, 45k miles, all original(except for PJ Grady
Front Euro Springs) Body and interior in Great condition. Problems:Needs
Center Headliner(Door Liners have been replaced with PJ Grady Fiberglass
units)
Should have pics avail by E-mail by weeks end. Asking $15,500 or B/O, car is
located in Browns Mills, NJ
E-mail, DMC12(AT)prodigy.net
Doug





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:44:06 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Facia Paint

Since my car sat for more then a few years exposed to the elements, 
the paint on both the rear and front facias has been severly damaged. 
What paint remains looks horrid, but the primer underneath looks 
great. My question is does anyone here have any ideas on how to 
remove the paint while leaving the primer in place? The like the 
color of the primer better, but even if I did decide to repaint I'd 
at least like the facias to look somewhat uniform for the time being. 
I prefer the look of flat paint over shiny clear coats since I live 
in the desert. I wash my car, but I don't always polish it. Last time 
I did with SS cleaner I ran into a dust storm...

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:15:43 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Partial throttle problems

The engine bucks and jerks? Is it an automatic tranny or manual?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> We have a 1983 DMC with 84k miles on it, which we have refurbished. 
> Since we started the engine, upon deceleration or light throttle 
the 
> engine bucks and jerks. <SNIP>




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:54:37 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Fuses-a new question

Barry,

We don't, nor do I believe that any of the other DeLorean parts dealers,
offer an in-line fuse holder replacement. We recommend the Heavy Duty
in-line Fuse Holder # 782-2023 available at your local NAPA dealer.

"We're here to help you"
Seasons Greetings!

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: <qrorell_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Fuses-a new question


> I am hoping not to prolong this if you have already answered this question
but....
> You said that a heavier fuse connection instead of the stock one which is
not sturdy? enough. Does one of the Delorean dealers have this part. I have
several melted/overused fuse holders in my fuse box and was wondering if
somebody had a stock looking replacement for this. I know that I can change
to an aftermarket part but would like to retain the stock look of the
car(but not the Lucas wiring flaws).
> Thanks for your time!
> Barry





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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:28:58 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Partial throttle problems

Chris,

Can you create this problem when revving the engine while at a stand still
or does it only happen when the engine is under load and moving.

"We're here to help you"
Seasons Greetings!

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris C <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:05 PM
Subject: [DML] Partial throttle problems


> We have a 1983 DMC with 84k miles on it, which we have refurbished.
> Since we started the engine, upon deceleration or light throttle the
> engine bucks and jerks



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:39:36 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Partial throttle problems

Well you seem to have a tough problem. Assuming all of the parts you 
replaced were the correct ones and that none of the new ones were 
defective and you did it correctly then we can also assume that the 
problem wasn't in any of the origional parts that you replaced since 
you haven't touched the problem. This is a perfect example of "replace 
till we fix it, we don't have to try to diagnose". At this point 
instead of testing all of the parts you replaced we could try to start 
troubleshooting directly unfortunatly the single most important device 
to use is something you  don't have. You need to put a fuel system 
pressure tester on the system and observe the fuel pressures at the 
time of the symptoms. I will guess you have a 5 speed so the 
deceleration problem is caused by the rapid reduction of the 
throtttle. That may be normal depending on the severity. If you have 
an automatic then check out the vacum modulater and vacum lines to it. 
For the "light throttle" if you mean accelerating at part throttle 
then a possiblily is the control pressure regulater or the metering 
unit itself. Again a vacum leak will cause this and there are many 
connections under the intake manifold that you can't see. Another 
possibility is a problem in the fuel tank like a hole in the pickup 
hose, loose or incorrect baffles, kinked pickup hose etc. Sucking air 
at a critical time would lower fuel pressure and cause the car to 
"hiccup".Please post to the group so we can follow your progress and 
offer more suggestions and see what the cause was.One more thing to 
check, on the intake there are 3 adjusting screws, make sure they are 
all LIGHTLY seated in, they are not to be used to adjust idle, the 
idle motor does that. Also make sure the vent hose on the control 
pressure regulater is not kinked or plugged up.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> We have a 1983 DMC with 84k miles on it, which we have refurbished. 
> Since we started the engine, upon deceleration or light throttle the 
> engine bucks and jerks. 



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