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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: DMCA 160 mph speedometer face
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Steering Wheel recovering
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

3. Re: Fire Extinguishers - End of thread
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

4. D Wanted
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

5. Steering geometry
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>

6. Re: Steering Wheel recovering
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. Frame a little closer to half-way complete
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

8. Delorean fires...
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>

9. DeLorean Expo 2000 - Road to Rio!
From: "Ray Haug" <rdh_at_dml_hozt.com>

10. Re:Delorean fires...
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: door locks
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

12. DeLorean sadly for sale
From: "Howard S. Smith" <TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com>

13. DeLorean for Sale added info
From: "Howard S. Smith" <TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com>

14. Re: Fire extinguishers
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>

15. she ran out of juice
From: brownalizat_at_dml_uams.edu

16. Re: Steering geometry
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:09:14
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: DMCA 160 mph speedometer face

Nah!!!  I paid $85 or $95 for it, if I recall correctly.  (After all, it was 
17 yrs ago.)  If it was $250, I would NOT even consider it. (Too Scotch)     
  Drive Stainless     Robert   VIN 6924


>From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: DMCA 160 mph speedometer face
>Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 03:13:21 -0000
>
>Wow, they sold just that for $250 dollars!  



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:00:17 -0000
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Steering Wheel recovering

1)
I had my steering wheel recovered in black leather for 40.00 or $58.00 in
Colchester (England) and it looks as good as new, I thought this was a ver
good price and I just wondered what price other people are paying for having
their steering wheels re-covered.

2)
My Fuel gauge on the DeLorean is stuck at full permanently which I
discovered when the car came to a stop on the motorway, where should I start
looking if I am to rectify this problem?

3)
My door locks seem to work but when I lock the door from the passenger side
the drivers door only just locks as if it needs a bit more power this is the
same when I try it from the drivers door the passenger door sometimes locks
but then won't unlock again as if  it is not getting enough power I have
cleaned all of the contacts but is this something that a Lockzila would
resolve and if not what does a lockzilla actually do?.

4)
I know that one of the UK owners has re-sprayed his front and rear Fascia's
using a Mercedes colour and I wondered if anyone knew what this colour paint
is called or it's code number?

Regards

James RG
England




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:55:20 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers - End of thread

Before we kill this I would like to add one more note here on some
investigations into fire extinguishers I have been doing over the past
summer. People may want to look at a site http://www.fireboy-xintex.com
where they sell automatic discharge fire extinguishers using FE-241 or
FM-200 which is the replacement for Halon. I saw one of these units mounted
in a car engine compartment at a car show this summer and was very
impressed. It had a manual cable that goes into the passenger compartment
and also a automatic temperature sensor on the extinguisher itself that will
shut off the fuel pump when discharged. This unit was made for boat engine
compartments which are usually enclosed so I don't know how being mounted in
a car engine compartment may effect it's performance. I believe they were in
the $200 price range.




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:52:50 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: D Wanted

Does anybody know where there is a Delorean for sale in the UK. I am now in the position to purchase my first but don't know where to start looking. I live in Northern Ireland, but would be willing to travel to GB to purchase. 

 Cheers

Paul



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:12:27 -0000
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Steering geometry

We have had our DeLorean aligned by Tire America, supposedly to the 
correct specifications. Unbelievably Delorean was in his computer. 
The car drives fine but we notice that in a parking lot at full lock, 
the tires seem to scuff, and looking at the tires the tread is rough, 
confirming this. Is this an anomaly of the design and normal for 
these cars or should I conclude that the alignment was incorrectly 
done?  




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:16:41 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel recovering

I can help with #2 and #3, #1 sounds like a good price if it was a 
good job. The first thing to suspect with a malfunctioning fuel gauge 
is the sending unit. On the doors a Lockzilla cannot correct for 
improper adjustments which is what your trouble sounds like. You need 
to readjust at least the driver's door to correct this problem. The 
lockzilla is just a much more reliable replacement for the door lock 
module. It will not weld it's contacts and burn out your door 
solenoids and kill the battery locking you in the car till it goes 
dead. What it can't do is correct a mechanical adjustment. When 
working inside the doors be very careful of the SHARP edges of the 
metal. It is best to cover the edges with tape and wear long 
sleeves.Follow the manual on adjusting the linkage. Make sure that
the 
door locking pins are correctly adjusted and that the door engages 
them evenly.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> 1)
> I had my steering wheel recovered in black leather for 40.00 or 
$58.00 in
> 2)
> My Fuel gauge on the DeLorean is stuck at full permanently 
> 3)
> My door locks seem to work but when I lock the door from the 
passenger side
> the drivers door only just locks as if it needs a bit more power 



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:29:54 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Frame a little closer to half-way complete

Hey List,

      Here is an update on the progress I am making on my frame.  Today I 
installed the fuel tank, connected the steel fuel lines to the feed and 
return fuel lines that go into the fuel pump, then I installed about 1/2 of 
the cooling pipes that run the length of the frame, I just noticed that on 
one of my cooling lines, there is a crack in it and I have to get a 
replacement.  The good thing about it is that its in a spot that is easy to 
reach so when I get the replacement it should be a breeze to install.  At 
around 4:00 PM it started raining so I had to put everything away for the 
night leaving half of my frame sticking out of the garage  :(.  I rented 
another kind of coil spring compressor, but that one didn't work either, when 
it was just about the compressed enough for what I need, one of the hooks let 
loose and before I knew it, all 3 compressor tools flew off in 3 different 
directions and I had skinned my thumb a little.  I was really lucky, I am NOT 
trying this again.  My brother told me that professionals use a machine to 
compress the coils and then they strap them.  I am going to see if I can go 
to a place tomorrow and have that done, if I do get that done and its not 
raining, then I am sure that I should have a rolling chassis by tomorrow 
night and it will be a lot easier to move it around (right now I have the 
frame on this thing I made out of 4x4's, 2x4's, and 4 swivel casters).  Thats 
all for today.  Hopefully I should be able to get more work done on it 
tomorrow.  As always, any questions feel free to e-mail me.

Later,
Nick
1852
Http://members.aol.com/njp548



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:59:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Delorean fires...

>     Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:18:17 -0500
>     From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
>  Subject: Re: A frightning experience(Part 1)
>  
>  Nathian,
>  I would like to correct two of your comments in defense of the DeLorean
>  electrical system.
>  You said: "A fire can start so quickly...esp. in DeLoreans".
>  The DeLorean electrical system is no more prone to catching fire as any
>  other automobile.

I disagree. An automobile with more "electrical problems" has a greater
chance of catching fire than one that is more reliable. Assuming a standard
ratio, a Delorean has more of a chance of catching fire as a car with very
few electrical problems.(But not more than one with the same weaknesses in
its electrical system). I assume we all agree there is a higher # of
problems in the Delorean than other cars this same age? Sorry I didn't make
my point clearer.
  
>  You also said: "This story is dedicated to the wonderful Lucas
Electronics".
  
>  With the exception of a couple of Lucas installed components, Lucas was
not
>  involved with the design or construction of the DeLorean electrical
system.

Well, in a way it is. I am incorrect if the headlight switch is a
"non-Lucas" part. But in essence, isn't the fuses/relays Lucas components?
THen I feel they are as much at fault...aren't fuses there to prevent a
short and/or fire?
  
>  Concerning your dash fire; we have no reports or experiences of DeLorean
>  dash related fires. All of the dash circuits have factory installed fuse
>  protection. However I have seen many DeLoreans, that have un-fused
>  additional wiring installed by owners for additional dash installed
>  accessories.

Well, now you have one. I can assure you the switch was wired correctly and
the fuse DID NOT do it's job as it did not blow in this incident. 

All I am saying is the Delorean has a tendency towards electrical problems,
whether due to bad design or bad components. The POS headlight switch is an
excellent example. Therefore, one can make a logical conclusion that a
Delorean has a greater chance of fire than say a recongnized reliable
auto.(i.e.--Japanese makes)

Sorry if I confused you.
  
Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:09:25 -0000
From: "Ray Haug" <rdh_at_dml_hozt.com>
Subject: DeLorean Expo 2000 - Road to Rio!

A pictorial report of DeLorean Expo 2000 Road to Rio! held on 
November 9 to 11, 2000 in Las Vegas is now on-line in the DeLorean 
Owners Association web site at:

http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/2000expo.html

New DeLorean related products that were introduced at the DeLorean 
Expo Products Fair are described in detail in the DeLorean Store web 
site at:

http://www.deloreanstore.com/

If you are interested in holiday gifts for your favorite DeLorean 
enthusiast, hurry on over the DeLorean Store, as it closes for the 
year on December 15, and will not reopen until after January 15, 2001.

Happy Holidays!

Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association
http://www.delorean-owners.org/






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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:33:32 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:Delorean fires...

In a message dated 12/10/00 10:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com writes:

<< I can assure you the switch was wired correctly and
 the fuse DID NOT do it's job as it did not blow in this incident.  >>

I'm wondering if a non-blowing fuse continued to allow a short to glow red 
hot until the surrounding area ignited or if a split second spark threw a red 
hot ember that smouldered then ignited.  The reason I ask... if the first 
supposition is correct, then immediately pulling over and killing the battery 
power could possibly stop a fire from breaking out.  Anyone else have 
thoughts on this?  

-Wayne
vin 11174
(thinking I might want a reachable battery cut off switch)



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:33:31 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: door locks

In a message dated 12/10/00 5:05:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:

<< Lockzilla is just a much more reliable replacement for the door lock 
 module. It will not weld it's contacts and burn out your door 
 solenoids and kill the battery locking you in the car till it goes 
 dead. >>

Does that mean that if you suffer from "Johnny Carson syndrome" you can 
disconnect the battery to enable the doors to be manually unlocked?

-Wayne
11174



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:46:41 -0000
From: "Howard S. Smith" <TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: DeLorean sadly for sale

Well, I can only have so many "toys" and my love for the water has 
taken precedence over my love for the car. After two years without a 
boat, I have bought one but must keep the payments down, so sadly I 
must sell the "D"  It is an 81 with only 1400 miles, yes, 1400 not 
14,000 or 140,000.  It had belonged to a car collector and we bought 
it in April of l999 with only 348 miles.  Its got new Yokohamas, 
motorola alternator, the three pair of struts and a few other odds 
and ends which it needed. It has the tool kit and the owners manual 
in the pouch. THIS IS A CONCOURS CAR!! PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!  Has won 
some 1st prizes locally  -- also a JDZ autograph -- and if anyone is 
interested my wife won the GOLD EDITION DELOREAN MODEL AT CLEVELAND 
and she said she would be willing to negotiate on that (maybe). Cost 
on the big "D" -- $20,000 -- cost on the little gold Lee Seiler "D" 
$1,000.  Hope you all understand, we certainly have had some 
wonderful times with the DeLorean and great experiences, expecially 
Cleveland, thanks again, Ken and good luck with Nashville.  Howard 
Smith, Lancaster, Pennsylvania.




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:07 -0000
From: "Howard S. Smith" <TeacupFox_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: DeLorean for Sale added info

I'm sorry I neglected to give some other information.  Other than 
being a l981 (#3049)and,1400 miles, it is an automatic with the grey 
interior.  Perfect in every way.   Howard Smith




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:37:02 -0000
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

Many years ago in a time before Deloreans where built, I use to 
recharge dry chemical fire extinguishers.
The dry chemical that was used and I believe is still used, is 
basically Baking soda or Sodium Bicarbonate, they add something to
it to help keep it from absorbing moister and clumping. The propellant
is dry nitrogen (if you used compressed air from a standard air 
compressor it would have too much moisture and would clump the 
contents of the extinguisher). 
My point here is that other then making a mess I wouldn't think that 
the actual chemical from a fire extinguisher should not be particular 
detrimental to the interior of a car as far as from a chemical 
reaction standpoint. I'm almost surprised the Arm and Hammer people 
don't promote it as a way of keeping your burnt car smelling clean
and fresh after a fire LOL.

  





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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:11:12 -0600
From: brownalizat_at_dml_uams.edu
Subject: she ran out of juice

Dear List,

while out shopping and driving my D, I noticed that the battery light was on
and the power gauge was gradually decreasing [even when giving the car gas]
so the shopping trip was cut short and on the way home [about 200 ft from
the house] the gauge went to zero and the engine cut off.  I coasted the car
to the side of the road and my husband jumped [by the way do you realize how
humiliating it is to jump a Delorean with a minivan??] the car and gave it
enough juice to quickly get home.  Jeff thinks it is the alternator because
we replaced the battery about 2 weeks ago. Any other ideas of what could be
wrong and how hard is it to install an alternator yourself?


thanks for your input!

Aliza :)
VIN 07003, Aug 2000




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:48:13 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Steering geometry

What you are describing sounds normal. Make sure you keep the correct 
air pressures in the tires (including the spare!). You should record 
the # of shims under the trailing arm bolts for future reference and 
monitor the tires for treadwear, the outside will scuff depending on 
how much high speed cornering you do. Unfortunatly on our cars we 
cannot rotate the tires to even the wear. On most computerized 
alignment machines even if the Delorean wasn't in it they have a way 
to enter "customized" settings so if you bring your specs they can 
enter them in. Did the shop properly retorque the trailng arm bolts 
after they aligned the rear wheels? It must be done with the weight
on the wheels or you preload the bushings. Also the steering wheel
should be straight when driving straight on a flat level road with
the right amount of "return" when turning the wheel(equal when
turning 
left or right). With the wheels balanced there should be no shimmy or 
vibration at any speed. There should also be no "play" or loosness in 
the steering. The Delorean seems to hold an alignment well unless 
parts wear or are damaged or changed as in lowering the springs.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> We have had our DeLorean aligned by Tire America, supposedly to the 
> correct specifications. Unbelievably Delorean was in his computer. 
> The car drives fine but we notice that in a parking lot at full 
lock, 
> the tires seem to scuff, and looking at the tires the tread is 
rough, 
> confirming this. Is this an anomaly of the design and normal for 
> these cars or should I conclude that the alignment was incorrectly 
> done?




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