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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 34

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New poll for dmcnews
From: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com

2. Old Convention Pictures
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>

3. Re: Front Facia pics for refinishing
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. airbrushed T-shirts
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: deloreans for sale
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Historic Blunders
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

7. pics of chassis and underbody
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

8. Rally in Cleveland, Saturday 5-6-00
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

9. Inertia switch / fuse relationship?
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

10. Re: deloreans for sale
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>

11. Re: Historic Blunders
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

12. Lee are you out there? paint removal
From: "james sawyer" <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>

13. Re: Historic Blunders
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

14. Barking Brake Light Update
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: airbrushed T-shirts
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

16. Cleveland 2000 and Concours
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

17. Alias/Wavefront DeLorean
From: "Josh Haldeman" <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

18. Re: Historic Blunders buy the tape NEW
From: tony Izzo <dmc-delorean-2000_at_dml_excite.com>

19. Inner door seal mounting modification
From: "Luke Sandel" <ls_at_dml_chickencow.csv.cmich.edu>

20. RE: Lowering Springs Question
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>





Message: 1
Date: 1 May 2000 13:11:10 -0000
From: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: New poll for dmcnews


Enter your vote today!  Check out the new poll for the dmcnews 
group:


The DeLorean Club of Ohio has prepared 
an audio cassette for the Cleveland 
Driving tour.  We are curious about the 
number of spares we might need, in case 
some cassette players destroy tapes in 
the middle of the drive.  Please help us 
to estimate tape mortality by selecting 
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player. 

  o My Craig player has never broken a tape. 
  o My Craig player occasionally breaks a tape. 
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  o My ASI player has never broken a tape. 
  o My ASI player occasionally breaks tapes. 
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:38:43 -0700
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Old Convention Pictures

I found some old convention pictures and was wondering, The heavily
modified Red car, is it only the outer facing side of the rims that are
painted or does the paint go all over the rims? Dumb question, I know.
Also there was one car with something that looked like the black out kits
on the headlights, but it was smooth and not nearly as dark, almost like
newer cars, it made the low and high beams look like one unit. Does any
one know what these are. (also thank you to every one who sent pictures
of the grey side stripe, I went a head and got it for my car) 

Trevor Johnson
6974 and soon to be 4???
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 02:30:18 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Front Facia pics for refinishing

The pictures I attached were removed by e-groups 
anyone wanting to see them can e-mailme privately and I will be glad to send 
them to you

Ken


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 02:33:32 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: airbrushed T-shirts

I have a few Airbrushed T_shirts that will be available at the <A 
HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">DeLorean Car Show</A> "YEAR 2000"
If you would like to see them they are in the vault in a file named 
Clevelan2000Files.
or you can e-mail me direct and I will also send you a copy.

these are the first few I have had made.

Ken


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:00:21 GMT
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: deloreans for sale

$15,900- 5sp, 82k mi, grey- new tires and wheels
for pictures www.geocities.com/deloreancars


>From: spooky312_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] deloreans for sale
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:21:32 EDT
>
>I dont know about anyone else but I'm looking to buy!! how much are you
>asking for it?
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:01:19 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: Historic Blunders

I wonder if anyone caught the History Channel a week ago when they aired a program called "History's Greatest Blunders".   

This was about an hour long program regarding the "Spruce Goose" airplane that Howard Hughes built and the DeLorean car.   It was about 90 percent on the DeLorean.  A lot of interesting old videos mainly......from beginning to end with scenes taken in Ireland of the factory and test track...people involved...JZD and then wife and of course the car itself......it was pretty dismal to me, but I guess you would say it was pretty factual.   

It was taped by a friend and I have no facilities for making copy 's, however I have found these shows are repeated several times so maybe it will be on again.     FWIW Dept.

Murray
Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
Washington State


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:42:59 +0100
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: pics of chassis and underbody

I have just put some pics of the DeLorean chassis and fibreglass underbody into the vault from our show (DeLorean Owners Club in the UK) at the Classic and sports car show at Birmingham, England.

I would be intrested to know if anyone can tell if its an auto or manual chassis.

Chris


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:20:22 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Rally in Cleveland, Saturday 5-6-00

This Saturday the DCO will have a sort of "anti-rally" in Cleveland.  It
will be a Dry Run of the Driving Tour in June.  In the Dry Run we will
test the directions and look for tricky spots.  We have tried to make
the directions foolproof, but the tour involves 90 minutes of city,
park, neighborhood, and highway driving in three 30 minute legs, so
there may still be some bugs in it.

We need people to find those bugs.  We DARE you to get lost following
our detailed directions!

So far a handfull of Ohio DeLorean owners have volunteered, but the more
cars we have the better it will simulate the real thing in June.  The
less you know about the streets of Cleveland the better.

Anyone is welcome to participate, whether you bring a DeLorean or not.
All you need is a car with a cassette player and someone to ride as
navigator (although a really brave person might try it solo).  You also
need to be able to get to downtown Cleveland by noon next Saturday.  We
will have four chances to socialize along the way, including dinner at a
floating restaurant.

Participation is free, but I will only make enough copies of the map and
cassette tape for people who have contacted me (Mike Substelny) ahead of
time.  Send me an email by noon Friday and I will let you know what to
do.

BTW next week's Dry Run was mentioned in yesterday's Cleveland Plain
Dealer "Checkpoint" (car club news column), so we may get volunteers
from other car clubs.  The Plain Dealer has also said that they will
mention the June event when the date gets closer.

By June, the Driving Tour directions should be perfect.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:44:41 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Inertia switch / fuse relationship?

Ever since I acquired my DeLorean it has not had an inertia switch.  A
previous owner removed and bypassed it (all 81 and most 82 inertia
switches were recalled) and I never bothered to replace it.  Until now.

Last week I wanted to crank my engine without starting it, so I removed
the bypass.  This worked nicely, and I congratulated myself on
cleverness.  Unfortunately, the first time I put the bypass back I did
it incorrectly.  I am concerned that I may have caused a short that blew
a fuse (or damaged another component).  My fuel pump is no longer
getting power (it does work when jumpered).

I have ordered a new inertia switch.  Until it comes, I wanted to pose
this question to the list: is it possible for a clutzy inertia switch
bypass cause this type of short?

The wiring diagram shows that one of the inertia switch leads goes to
ground, so a short may be possible.  In my case all the fuses seem to
have survived, so now I am looking into the possibility that I damaged a
relay.

Moral of the story: screwing around with one part in an electrical
system affects others.  Take seriously any work on your electrical
system, even simple stuff.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:50:09 -0400
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>
Subject: Re: deloreans for sale

$14K neg    5sp, black int........60K mi ......
for pics and information please see:
http://www.geocities.com/dkazmark



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Historic Blunders

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Murray Fisher wrote:

> I wonder if anyone caught the History Channel a week ago when they
> aired a program called "History's Greatest Blunders".

This show was aired a while ago also.  Several months ago, probably last
year sometime.

> This was about an hour long program regarding the "Spruce Goose"
> airplane that Howard Hughes built and the DeLorean car.  It was about
> 90 percent on the DeLorean.  A lot of interesting old videos

I seem to remember it was split about half and half, but don't remember
for sure.

I do remember that the show contained a lot of factual errors, none of
which I remember, but which are probably in the archive somewhere.  It
did, however, contain a lot of pictures and footage that I had not
otherwise seen.



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:16:02 -0000
From: "james sawyer" <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>
Subject: Lee are you out there? paint removal

Dear lee,

A while back you stated that you had some tips on paint removal, Iam 
ready now.  Help please.  mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:36:19 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Historic Blunders

I didn't see the show, but it was a good thing that it aired! When I 
went to the DMV to register my car, it turned out that Nevada doesn't 
have the DeLorean in their new system. In order to figure out the 
current value of the car, they needed to know the origional MSRP. In 
order to get the MSRP, they wanted the original window sticker from 
off of my car! (no NADA books, they only had Kelly Blue) While we 
were talking, the woman's supervisor walked by, and heard our 
conversation. As fate would have it, the gentleman had just finished 
watching the History Channel show, and was able to vouch for the MSRP 
_at_dml_ $25,000. Thankfully because of the supervisor, I was able to avoid 
a huge paperwork mess! In the end the best news of all was my 
registration fees: $40.00 a year!
   In all seriousness though, if anyone has an extra copy of the 
show, I'd really be gratefull. I'll dig it out, but I also have a 
copy of the "E! True Hollywood Story" to trade. Thanks!

-Robert
vin: 06585
Build: 3 NOV 1981

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I wonder if anyone caught the History Channel a week ago when they 
aired a program called "History's Greatest Blunders".   


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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:59:07 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Barking Brake Light Update

Thanks to everyone who helped me with figuring out why my Parking 
Brake light wouldn't go out. Low fluid in the resovior was triggering 
the light. As it turns out, my master cylinder is leaking, so it will 
need to be replaced. The epoxy on the chassis has bubbled, and does 
flake off easily, but the good news is that there is no rust 
underneath (car has always been in the desert). When I take the 
master cylinder out, I'll sand off the compromised epoxy, and recoat 
the frame with new (a while back, DMC Houston mentioned that they 
found bottles of the original epoxy). Since the damage is only minor 
(right now), I feel alot better about this. But as a note to anyone 
looking _at_dml_ a car they are considering to purchase, ALWAYS bring a 
philips screwdriver with you to remove the access panels to check for 
this kind of damage.

-Robert
vin: 06585
build: 3 NOV 1981



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:06:22 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: airbrushed T-shirts

Ken 
I know when the main deadline for event is and the fee for being late.

But what are your cutoff dates for banquets? 

I'm hoping to change Hank's mind and we have other friend's who wish to come
also.

We are also trying to find less expensive airfares, hoping for a few specials to
pop up.
I know the hotel problem will have to be solved, but that I'm good at.

Just want to be sure of being able to attend the meals and boat and museums.

thanks for your help,
MIMI BREER

kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have a few Airbrushed T_shirts that will be available at the <A
> HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">DeLorean Car Show</A> "YEAR 2000"
> If you would like to see them they are in the vault in a file named
> Clevelan2000Files.


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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:24:29 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Cleveland 2000 and Concours

In order to get the competitors all their judging materials in a 
timely manner, cut-off for CONCOURS REGISTRATION ONLY will be on May 
15th, 2000.

We have just received word that there will not be an official 
DeLorean Motor Company sponsored concours held at the DOA event in 
Las Vegas this November, so the DeLorean Car Show 2000 in Cleveland 
will be the only official concours held this year.

With all the other events/features Ken has lined up for the show, 
this is definitely a "don't miss" event.

Download the Concours Manual in PDF format at:

http://www.usadmc.com/files/handbook.pdf

For more information or questions about the concours, please contact 
me via private email.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com


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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:43:04 -0000
From: "Josh Haldeman" <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Alias/Wavefront DeLorean

Dear List,
Check out the image I just uploaded to the vault:
http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/aliasdelorean.jpg
I was applying for an Industrial Design job and my boss wanted to see 
how fast I could learn Alias/Wavefront Studio.  He asked me to choose 
an object from around the office to model, so that he could judge my 
abilities.
I, of course, chose my DeLorean, which you will see in the above 
image.  
Needless to say, I got the job!  Please feel free to patronize my new 
business by visiting our website at:
http://www.indexdesign.com
(by the way, my next project is to update that site!) 
If anyone would like a copy of the model files (SDL and/or wire 
format)  I'll be posting those on my webpage soon.  
Ciao,
Josh
VIN 5102
VIN 15964



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: tony Izzo <dmc-delorean-2000_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Historic Blunders buy the tape NEW

If anyone wants to buy a brand new copy of the history channels "greatest
blunders feturing The DeLorean Car" just go to www.historychannel.com and
type in delorean or greatest blunders in the search. it will say no matches
found but if you look all the way to the right of the screen it will say
historys greatest blunders. i found this after searching for it for a very
long time. i have only seen part of the video online at a delorean website.
i plan on buying a copy of this tape but have not done so yet.
hope this helps anyone who wants to see the showb
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:23:33 -0000
From: "Luke Sandel" <ls_at_dml_chickencow.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Inner door seal mounting modification

	Awhile back, I purchased new inner door seals from PJ Gradys. 
To my dismay, when I fit them on my car, they tended to catch the 
door on it's way down, requiring a forceful slam to shut the door.  
I spoke with Rob about this, and he described a procedure to modify 
the mounting lip (using a die grinder) so that the seals would sit 
back slightly farther, and not catch the inside of the door.
	Unfortunately, I'm more of a visual learner, and I'm not quite 
sure that I understood the directions correctly.  Has anybody
performed this procedure on their cars?  Besides wanting to actually 
user my new door seals, I would like to create a set of visual 
instructions for other DeLorean owners who may be interested as 
well.
	So, can anybody help out with some graphics or a detailed 
instruction set?

Thanks,
Luke

P.S. Those interested in the History Channel program, it's available
on my website (in Quicktime and Real formats) at:

http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean




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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:49:08 -0800
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: Lowering Springs Question

In response to the question on uncompressed spring heights, I have a set of
very low mileage original springs that measure 15.5" rear and 14.25" front.
I have others that vary from that, so who knows for sure.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA



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