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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Odometer question...
From: bigbenb84_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Starting problems
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

3. Re: Idle Speed ECU.
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

4. Re: Found D 4 Sale....question?
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Odometer question...
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

6. Throttle Problems
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

7. re: Binnacle Lens scratches
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

8. Binnacle Lens Repaired
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.
From: garyg_at_dml_lucent.com

10. Re: Odometer question...
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

11. Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

12. Holiday Greetings
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com

13. Unknown cable/wire
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

14. Re: Unknown cable/wire
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

15. Re: Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.
From: "Michael Beyra" <michaelbeyra_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Halon Found - but for a price
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:39:53 EST
From: bigbenb84_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Odometer question...

In a message dated 12/22/2000 3:25:42 PM Central Standard Time, Whalt_at_dml_att.net 
writes:


> It is interesting that the car would have such high mileage.  117K?  That's
> a lot for a Delorean.  If the car was able to be driven this many miles,
> then it must have had extensive work done to fix most of the major Delorean
> specific problems over this much time.  It is also interesting that the body
> is in such good condition.  It sounds like it was owned by someone who
> really took care of the car -- especially to get such high mileage out of
> it.  It sounds more likely to me that the car has only 17K miles on it.
> 

             I was wondering that to. This might just be a REALLY STUPID 
mistake on my part but.......The odometer read exactly 117204...but the 4 was 
in the white part it....so is it 117,204 or 11,720.4   My '67 Mustang isn't 
like that and neither is the Escort or '98 Mustang or the my brother's '69 
Chevelle.

Ben


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 06:43:39 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Starting problems

Chris, Have you confirmed that you have fire to the plugs even while 
it's dieing after it starts. Take one of the plugs wires off and have 
a friend confirm fire to them while it's dieing. It should still 
crank on 5 cyl. Have you taken the rpm relay out to see if the 
contacts need adjusting and cleaning. As a safety, the rpm relay 
senses the pulse coil out put in the distributor while it's turning 
and allows the relay to close which in turn turns on the fuel pump. 
DMCJoe or someone else may tell you how often the pulse coils goes 
out in the distributor, but mine went out last week. Symptoms were, 
it would run for a while and when the impulse coil wire heated up the 
car would die. Let it cool down and it would start up again and run 
just fine. After you have confirmed you have fire to the plugs, then 
Maby you should also direct wire the fuel pump by taking the 
white/purple out of the relay socket and clip jumping it to a known 
hot wire Normally brown. When you have cliped it to a hot wire you 
will hear the fuel pump running. Then try to start the car. Process 
of elimination.
Good luck
John

    --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "chris " <chris_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I am having problems starting my car, it does the same if its cold 
or 
> hot. I start the car with the gas pedal depressed 1/4, the car 
starts 
> revs up to 2,000 then go back down to 0 no mater what i do to the 
gas 
> pedal. It take 2 or 3 goes to get the car to run. Also the cat is 
> still glowing red, it back fires sometimes, i think its in the 
intake 
> manifold. The plugs are sooted black. I am assmuing the CO2 mixture 
> needs adjusting? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris S
> Vin 16327




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 06:49:04 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Idle Speed ECU.

Robert, The two pins your talking about are just support pins. Why 
they arn't on the board I don't know but that all they are. As far as 
the oxidation, I see a lot of that due to climate. Clean it off with 
a little lighter fluid ( Naptha ) and a tooth brush.
John


 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> I posted into the vault the 2 photos of my Idle Speed ECU. On the 
one 
> chip on the bottom you can see that 2 of the pins on the IC are not 
> soldered into place. Is this supposed to be this way? Even on some 
of 
> the empty connections on the board they took the time to apply 
> solder, so I have no idea as to why they would leave 2 
pins "naked". 
> Is this normal?
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 (The DeLorean from hell.)




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 03:24:03 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Found D 4 Sale....question?

I second the advice to look for a D on dmcnews. I have been following the 
mailing list since 1996 and have found it quite useful. So when the time came 
to finally make the big leap and buy my D, I couldnt find the right one in my 
area so I turned to the list. Not only did I find the perfect D for me, but I 
also used the information in the databases to help get a great loan. I 
purchased a DeLorean on the other end of the country and had the car shipped 
to my house. I did not even really see the car before I purchased it aside 
from a few pictures that were posted on line. However, list member and 
DMCNews owners directory caretaker Ken Montgomery looked over my car because 
it was in his area, and since he is a concours judge, his word was what 
pushed my loan thru.

When it comes down to it, the DML really is a true utility in purchasing your 
D. Between finding my car, finding info for my loan etc. and finding helpful 
people willing to go outa their way to help you, the DML really tops them all.

Just my 2 cents.

Merry Christmas

Justin



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:49:20 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Odometer question...

Yep - this car has appears to have 11,720 miles on it. The DMC speedo 
is, like most prior to the late 80's, designed to "roll over" at 
99,999.9 miles. This should be no different than your 67 or 69, but 
the 98 Mustang definitely has a 999,999 mile speedo (i.e. 1 million 
vs 100-thousand mile limit). 

Caution - I say "Appears to have" because the mileage you see may not 
be accurate. The speedometer gear drive is probably the highest-
failure-rate part on the car. 

At any rate, condition and maintenance/storage history is MUCH more 
important than mileage on a car this old.

Dave Swingle


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, bigbenb84_at_dml_a... wrote:
>              I was wondering that to. This might just be a REALLY 
STUPID 
> mistake on my part but.......The odometer read exactly 117204...but 
the 4 was 
> in the white part it....so is it 117,204 or 11,720.4   My '67 
Mustang isn't 
> like that and neither is the Escort or '98 Mustang or the my 
brother's '69 
> Chevelle.




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:28:04 -0500
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Throttle Problems

Hey Guys
    I've had a problem lately of my throttle being stuck open.  Around 1500 
RPMS.  Its not really the throttle that is giving me the problems, its the 
accelerator gets suck, maybe frozen from all the cold weather we've been 
having lately.  The accelerator will not move, you can't push it in or pull it 
up.  Its just stuck.   Any ideas on how to fix this problem?

Thanks
  Willie
  Vin 5043




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:40:23 -0500
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: re: Binnacle Lens scratches

Also, try using Tartar Control Crest toothpaste and a soft toothbrush.
It was one of those "Hints from Heloise" years ago that has served me
well on my glasses, sunglasses, and yes -- even the plastic gauge lens
on my Chevy.  Most toothpaste (except the gel kind) has very, very fine
abrasives that work well for polishing.

-Dave Stragand
VIN #05927




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:02:11 -0000
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Binnacle Lens Repaired

Just to update you all, the lens was repaired! I was able to donate 
almost 4 hours of my life to polishing it with a plexi glass scratch 
remover, but it looks great! You can still see a little distortion if 
the light catches it just right, but the improvement is astonishing. 
I didn't think that the lens could be recovered.

One thing I learned from the Binnacle removal is that you may need to 
remove the spedo cable from the lower end as well, otherwise you 
might not be able to tilt the Binnacle forward enough to undo it from 
the instrument cluster.

Thanks all for your help!

Tyler
#3472




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:21:03 -0000
From: garyg_at_dml_lucent.com
Subject: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.

Hello All,
  There is a guy in my area trying to unload a DeLorean that he's had
in front of his salvage yard for quite a while.  The advertised price
was $7500.  When I asked him about it, he immediately dropped the 
price to $5000, but I suspect that I could get him to go lower.
As for the car, it needs a lot of work.  Currently it isn't running.
He said that the car was running about six months ago, but that the 
fuel pump has gone out.  Regardless of whether this is true or not, 
the car cannot be driven to verify the condition of the motor or
the transmission.  The car's interior is in pretty bad shape.  The 
driver's side door does not open and close properly.  It looks like 
someone may have forced it closed at some point.  The passenger side 
door opens, but does not stay open.  The windshield is cracked and 
all of the rubber that I could see from outside the car looked dried 
out.  I just spend a few minutes checking out the cosmetics.  I 
didn't dig into the engine bay.  One of the body panels has a small 
dent, but other than that they look pretty good.  So, I guess my 
question is at what point does a DeLorean become a write off or at 
least a seriously bad investment.  I'm looking for a car needing some 
TLC that I can slowly bring back to life.  I'd be interested in 
anyone's opinions on this. 

Thanks,
Gary

ps.  I didn't see any rust, but are there any areas in particular to 
check out.  The car is currently in Georgia, but I'm not sure how 
long it has been here.




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:00:06 -0500
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Odometer question...

Forget about the odometer. Look in the engine compartment and in the wheel wells.
A car with 11,000 miles will still look like it came from the showroom. A car with
117,000 miles will have mud in the wheel wells and the engine compartment will be
dirty and the hoses will be aged.

bigbenb84_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>              I was wondering that to. This might just be a REALLY STUPID
> mistake on my part but.......The odometer read exactly 117204...but the 4 was
> in the white part it....so is it 117,204 or 11,720.4   My '67 Mustang isn't
> like that and neither is the Escort or '98 Mustang or the my brother's '69
> Chevelle.




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:33:26 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.

Short of an engine fire or a collision bad enough to have killed 
someone, it really takes an extreme amount of damage to quallify a 
DeLorean as salvage. I know that others may disagree with me, but 
hear me out. The car you've described sounds like a excellent 
canidate for restoration. The question here isn't is this car able 
for/worth the cost of restoration. The question is if this is the 
proper car for you to start out with. If you have a deep enough 
passion for the car (matched of course with the same level of 
patience), then the amount of work will not matter. However, if 
DeLorean's have only been something you've thought about but haven't 
been that serious about, I'd probably say walk away. While it's only 
a personal opinion, I would never buy a vehicle as an investment. If 
you looking for something that you'll restore simply to make a $ 
profit, then you will be let down in a big way. But if you want the 
car to enjoy you'll won't be disappointed. No amount of money could 
buy you the feeling of driving a DeLorean. Especially one that you 
know is only able to be on the road because of your efforts. Just 
remember that what at first is minor TLC can lead to blind devotion. 
For me, in the end I stopped drving my car, and it now drives me.

If you really do want the car, then nothing can stop you from buying 
it. If it were me, I'd offer the guy $3,400 and negotiate up from 
there. If it's outside of a salvage yard, it's history is probably 
this: It didn't run right so it was parked. As the years went by it 
rotted, and either the owner, someone who inherited the car, or 
someone who purchased land the car was sitting on had it junked. 
Either that or it could be an insurance recovery. As for why it was 
never destroyed either the guy who owns it now wants to sell it for a 
small profit, the car is not really recyclable (stainless & 
fibreglass no that high in demand), or he just couldn't bear to see 
the car scrapped.

What ever choice you make will be the right one. Good Luck!

-Robert
vin 6585 (Still the DeLorean from hell, but coming back around...)



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, garyg_at_dml_l... wrote:
> Hello All,
>   There is a guy in my area trying to unload a DeLorean that he's 
had
> in front of his salvage yard for quite a while.  The advertised 
price
> was $7500...



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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:23:53 EST
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Holiday Greetings

Hi all......

Just wishing everyone a great and safe holiday from the cold NorthEast.
Have a good one!

Dave Loffler
Johnston, Rhode Island
VIN---In the future


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:22:44 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Unknown cable/wire

I recently discovered an unconnected wire/cable that runs along
the floorboard of my 81 D and goes up into the consol along the
right-hand side of the driver's seat.  It looks a little like a tv cable 
except the prong is thicker and longer.  Can someone tell me what 
this is for?

(Also, underneath the dash I have a frayed wire that comes out of
the "white box" to the left of the steering wheel.  What is this and
should I be overly concerned about it?) 

Thank you for any help and Merry Christmas, :)

Richard



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:15:37 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Unknown cable/wire

The "TV cable" wire is probably supposed to go to the rear antenna. 
It may have been converted sometime back to the front or glass 
antenna, or a new wire was run due to a failure and they never took 
the old one out. 

The other wire would be the one that lights up the lambda light, 
Without it the light will never light up. (It's supposed to light 
every 30,000 miles). The other end of the wire is probably dangling 
somewhere above. 

Dave Swingle


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> I recently discovered an unconnected wire/cable . . .It looks a 
little like a tv cable 
> except the prong is thicker and longer.  Can someone tell me what 
> this is for?
> 
> (Also, underneath the dash I have a frayed wire that comes out of
> the "white box" to the left of the steering wheel.  What is this and
> should I be overly concerned about it?) 





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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 20:43:02 -0500
From: "Michael Beyra" <michaelbeyra_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.

Robert,

You have described exaxtly the expirence that I russle through each time I 
decide to purchase a "Project". Why does it atract me so? When I've 
completed one, I can'nt wait until another has consumed me?

Is there help, or just blind devotion? I'll aquire one, soon it will be 
mine. I can see it now, 3am and still turning wrenches! I love it!

Michael Beyra




>From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.
>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:33:26 -0000
>
>Short of an engine fire or a collision bad enough to have killed
>someone, it really takes an extreme amount of damage to quallify a
>DeLorean as salvage. 



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:59:57 -0000
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Halon Found - but for a price

I remember hearing about the shortage (ban) of Halon Extinguishers. 
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but you can still get 
Halon Extinguishers that are used in aviation. I fly on occasion, and 
can see why they are essential in an airplane... filling up those 
gyros with powder: might as well let it burn!

Check out www.sportys.com and search for halon. You should find 
several sizes to choose from. I might bite the bullet and get the 
small size for $117. Sure would beat cleanin' up that stuff!

You know you need it, so make it a holiday gift for your D.

Tyler
#3472




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:17:04 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: At what point does a DeLorean become salvage.

Gary, The question is, do you work on cars and have a basic knowledge 
of how they work, do you have the time and the money, and how much 
money are you willing to spend to bring it back to a car you would be 
proud to drive. I know 3 to 5 thousand is tempting, but bank on 
spending 10,000 + or - if you do the work to bring it back to a good 
looking car. I see a lot of desent cars on Ebay and thru other De 
lorean ad's that for more money you won't have to do as many updates 
and work. I bought one from Washington state and drove it home for 
$12,000 and another for $15,000 one owner, mint condition and 34,000 
miles which is low for a 17 year old car. Garaged parked and serviced 
regularly. 11004 vin #. I have a friend here in Dallas that paid 
$12,500.00 for one that I think has less than 10,000 miles and is 
spending about 14,000 in restoration. Lot's to do but it was just 
never drove. If a person like me ran across one like what your 
talking about, I would buy it and park it in a covered garage and if 
I needed parts I would go to it. Not seeing it and by what you are 
saying,it would be a parts car for me.
John 


  
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, garyg_at_dml_l... wrote:
> Hello All,
>   There is a guy in my area trying to unload a DeLorean that he's 
had
> in 



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