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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. DMC Houston Open House
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>

3. Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

5. Re: DMC Houston Open House
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Torque settings
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Manual update
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

8. Tire Poll
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

9. Re: Riverside Resort Laughlin Car Museum
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. Re: DMC Houston Open House
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

11. $0 mod to Courtesy Light Switch
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. won't start
From: "Jeff " <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>

13. Help! Car locked and running
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>

14. Now Okay (Car no longer running)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:17:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC Houston Open House

Hey all-

Would anyone on the list have the web address giving the
information about the DMC Houston open house taking place
in June?  THe only mention I found in archives were the
dates of June 14-17, 2001.  I would like to know a schedule
of events and such.  


Thanks,

Aaron

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:17:29 -0800 (PST)
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>
Subject: Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement

I don't know how much of a chore it would be to make this change, but here's my idea: the light switches on the door of my Volvo have an interesting option.  You can push them in by hand, twisting slightly, and they will lock into place.  Pushing on them, either by hand, or by closing the door, will unlock them.  They lock into the "off" position, so you can work on the car without running down your batteries.  Walt, your comment about replacing "the switch on the door post with a small hand operated switch to save the battery" is what made me think about this.  Has anyone ever looked at doing something like this for the D?  For those of you working on possible replacement switches, how about adding this type of feature?

Dave
vin 16367

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:28:23 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement

This thread is getting a bit speculative, and I've seen similar threads
killed by the moderators for this reason.  But if we don't brain storm
together then new fixes become harder to come up with.  Well anyway, I hope
this goes through...

It would be interesting to see if that particular Volvo door switch could be
adapted to the Delorean.  HOWEVER, the Delorean door does not fit with the
same tolerances as a 'normal' car door.  As simple as the OEM design is, I
doubt that anything more complicated could be made to work in the same way.
I tried adding a little piece of vacuum hose on the end of one of my door
switches as this has been published as a workable fix.  This put more
leverage on the plastic stick allowing it to fold over.  Now the switch
really has problems.

Looking in a '99 Delorean One catalogue, they list new door switches with
'protective end caps' for $8.27 each.  If these are nothing more than OEM
door switches with rubber tips, then I wouldn't consider them.  This
catalogue is rather amusing in that they are so hard to acquire.  In fact, I
don't think they ever came out with an official catalogue in years.  This
one I photocopied from a D1 customer who obviously should remain anonymous.
It is stamped 'DRAFT' and 'COPY' like is done  with legal documents.  I
suppose this makes it officially unofficial.  Maybe I'll start labeling all
of my e-mails like this for my own protection. :)

On a funny note, a few days ago I was getting out of a 2 door Olds and
noticed how the long door barely cleared the curb and ended up hitting the
landscape bushes.  I said to myself, "Oh, this is one of those doors that
open the wrong way."  Then I laughed at myself for thinking that the gull
wing Delorean door was the 'right way', but then it is -- isn't it?

DRAFT COPY Walt    Tampa, FL  my tag says WATSDAT :)




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:29:24 -0500
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Courtesy Light Switch Replacement

I've just uploaded some pictures of the sensors installed on my car. These
units are completely sealed stainless steel. The pictures are in the vault
in the folder "Sensors". Let me know if you are interested.

> Dave Sontos
> VIN 02573




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:33:22 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC Houston Open House

Aaron,
Why not give DMC Houston a call. I dont think a flyer has been sent out yet. 
James correct me if I 'm wrong. I did receive a card about it in the mail. 
You can find DMC Houston's # in the vendors section at DML main page.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:11:57 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Torque settings

The correct torque setting for this component can be found in the workshop
manual F:02:01 (Clutch Housing To Case)

"We're here to help you"
Seasons Greetings!

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>
Cc: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Torque settings


> Graham,
>
> I think the 4 bolts you are referring to are listed in the parts manual on
> page 4:1:1 as
> Fig. 2, Part Number 101078, Screw M10, Qty 4.
>
> The remarks say it is 'automatic also', but the automatic section was
> obviously written by someone else with a different style of writing.  And
> apparently it doesn't mention this part anyway.
>
> Premise 1) The parts manual says that this part of the manual transmission
> is the same as the automatic.
>
> Premise 2) The automatic section of the parts manual gives no torque
> specification equal to the 14 ft-lbs that is 'apparently' listed in the
> manual section.
>
> Conclusion 1) Either they disagree or we are looking at the wrong part.
>
> Conclusion 2) Choose a torque setting that is for a similarly described
> part.  That could be 18 ft-lbs which still seems bit weak.  I suggest
> starting with 18 ft-lbs and re-checking the torque periodically until you
> are satisfied that it is tight enough.
>
> When is someone going to write a new service manual that takes all this
into
> consideration?
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:44:44 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Manual update

In a message dated 12/25/00 1:44:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com writes:

<< whenever someone decides to do it as a non-profit labor of love. And still 
take the investment risk. >>

Yep. That would be me.  I'll post a progress update in the next few days.  Oh 
yes, there is progress to report!

-Wayne A. Ernst
vin 11174
The New DeLorean Manuals Project



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:45:11 -0600
From: "Kevin Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Tire Poll

Since my car is approaching 19k miles on the original (ASFAIK) NCT's , and it's our anniversary this week (me and the better half, not the car), I'm shopping for tires.
I haven't had to buy good tires in quite a while, so I'm a little out of my league.
This link is dead: http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/f_tires.htm, and I did search the archives some, but didn't find that much useful info, so I'm asking you all to email me privately and then I can post the results to the list. The Egroups polls just aren't that flexible. So we'll do this the hard way:
email me at dmc4687(at)mindspring.com, with subject Tire Poll (if you don't mind).

I specifically am looking for Daily Driving tires, but will happily compile info for Speed/Performance Freaks as well.
You may simply vote for one tire or grade several on a scale of -1 to 5. If no grade is given I will assume it is a '3'.
5 =EXCEPTIONAL;
4 = Great for the money,
3 =  Satisfactory
2 = Will Do,
1 = Pass It by Unless in Dire Straits 
-1 = Don't Go There.
Like so:
Yoko AVS=3
Firestone BlowOuts=-1

Thanks!
-Kevin


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:55:29 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Riverside Resort Laughlin Car Museum

Las time I spoke with the lady who was in charge of the Museum down 
in Laughlin she said that she had 2 cars there (guess the other one 
must have been moved out). If it's the car I'm thinking of, I might 
be able to tell you a little about it. I remember that it was an 
early VIN. Alot of very early cars that left the factory didn't come 
with front emblems mounted. I have pictures somewhere of the VIN 
plate and the binnacle from the inside. I know that the car was owned 
by a couple by the name of Ruby who lived in Idaho. Originally the 
asking price was $20K, but was later on dropped to $18K I believe. A 
while later the car was sold. Though I don't know who the car was 
sold to, I do know that they decided to let it stay at the museum. 
What makes the car unique was that only half of the car is painted. 
Below the belt line the car is painted purple, and above it's bare 
stainless. The car is a perfect example of how NOT to treat a 
DeLorean. The rubber on the door seals is rotten, and the leather 
inside is dried out. Even though the car is in a museum, it has not 
been taken good care of. Anywho, to answer you question, yes they 
could replace the emblem to make the car look "proper", but it would 
probably ruin the car's personal history.

-Robert
vin 6585 (The DeLorean from hell, but slowly coming back).



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Gabe" <thecreech_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Recently, I visited the Riverside Resort in Laughlin, Nevada which 
of course
> has a car museum including a delorean. The strange thing about it 
was it was
> missing its DMC ebmlem on the grille. I was wondering if possibly 
the owner
> of the car is on this list(It said it was owned by a couple from 
california)
> and they could see about replacing the emblem? They probably own 
lots of
> cars and don't have anything special with the delorean so they 
probably
> aren't on the list. The car looked completely naked without it and 
I thought
> it was a sad thing to have one missing its emblem in a Museum. 
Anyone else
> seen this car?




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:42:08 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston Open House

The De Lorean Motor Company Open House at our new facility in Houston 
will take place June 15-17th, 2001. In addition to warehouse tours, 
technical demonstrations/seminars, test drives of the new performance 
engine equipped cars, a road rally, Millennium concours and a few 
other things are in store for the attendees.

Details and registration information will be available in late 
January, and the URL posted at that time.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



>Hey all-
>
>Would anyone on the list have the web address giving the
>information about the DMC Houston open house taking place
>in June?  THe only mention I found in archives were the
>dates of June 14-17, 2001.  I would like to know a schedule
>of events and such. 
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Aaron



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:02:08 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: $0 mod to Courtesy Light Switch

I forget how this whole thread started, but Hank Breer posted a 
simple, effective, FREE solution to what I think the problem is back 
in August of 1998.

>Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:56:28 -0700
>From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: DML: Re: Door light kill switch alternatives
>
>Since the plunger travel is dependant on the door fit and latch 
>adjustment, I doubt
>if any "standard" measurements would apply.  Manually push in the 
>plunger until
>the lights just go out, push in a little more (to ensure an air gap in the
>electrical contacts of the switch), and mark where the notch should be.
>
>On close examination, it appears that notch (which is less than 
>1/16" deep) was cut
>with a couple of swipes of a triangular file. The edge of the notch 
>(toward the
>car)  is perpendicular to the plunger (to create a 'flat' to catch 
>the metal trim
>piece) and the angled portion is toward the outside end.  If the 
>notch is cut so
>that the plunger is held too far in, the door will not contact it and you will
>loose the auto-center/return-to-normal-operation feature, but a 
>sideways tap on the
>plunger will put things back.

This is a great example of how a slight modification to a stock part 
(of which there is an abundant supply) can solve a problem - some of 
the "newbies" on the list wouldn't have seen this post from Hank, so 
I thought I'd bring it up again.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com


>I don't know how much of a chore it would be to make this change, 
>but here's my idea: the light switches on the door of my Volvo have 
>an interesting option.  You can push them in by hand, twisting 
>slightly, and they will lock into place.  Pushing on them, either by 
>hand, or by closing the door, will unlock them.  They lock into the 
>"off" position, so you can work on the car without running down your 
>batteries.  Walt, your comment about replacing "the switch on the 
>door post with a small hand operated switch to save the battery" is 
>what made me think about this.  Has anyone ever looked at doing 
>something like this for the D?  For those of you working on possible 
>replacement switches, how about adding this type of feature?
>
>Dave
>vin 16367

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:06:51 -0000
From: "Jeff " <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: won't start

Help!!!...I backed my Delorean out of the garage to finish a wood 
working project and now it will not start.  I pulled a plug wire and 
there is spark.  Also, I felt the fuel pump while someone tried to 
start the motor and the pump is running...any idea's???...

Thanks
Jeff




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:48:14 -0800 (PST)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Help! Car locked and running

I did something stupid - pulled into the garage and closed the door while
the car was  running.  For some reason the front latch is caught and my
only key is in the car.

Front and rear hoods latched, passenger door locked.  Need to figure out
something that I can undo to kill the car.

Is the fuel pump accessible from underneath?  I'm flipping through the
manuals right now, but could really use some help.  (And she's got a full
tank!!!)

Any suggestions out there?  (beyond "don't do that" and "keep a spare
key")
Thanks!
Eric





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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:05:57 -0800 (PST)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Now Okay (Car no longer running)

Popped the engine compartment open and pulled the coil wire.

Still would like to know what folks would have suggested.  If you do want
to comment please just reply to me and I'll consolidate a list of what
folks suggested.
Thanks,
Eric





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