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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 35

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Old Convention Pictures

2. Sunshades
From: James Espey <>

3. Re: Inerta Switch/fuse Relationship/best route to avoid DIY problems
From: "Claude Landi" <>

4. Re: airbrushed T-shirts

5. DMC VIN list (chronology info) uploaded to DMCNews web site
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <>

6. Concours -- common interior judging items
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <>

7. Cost effective fix for Steering collum switches
From: "Vin#5462" <>

8. New chronology info

9. Re: Inertia switch / fuse relationship?
From: "DMC Joe" <>

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:56:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Old Convention Pictures


  I read something on those headlight covers a while ago I think they were 
Honda covers.

Bill #11596


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:36:09 -0500
From: James Espey <>
Subject: Sunshades

It's getting to be summertime again, and someone recently asked me 
about out custom-fit sunshade that I discussed last fall.

The sunshade has been tested, modified and proven to be a stellar 
performer. It's currently available in stock for immediate delivery. 
Thanks to everyone for their patience, I think you'll all be pleased 
with the results...

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas



Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 05:27:35 -0400
From: "Claude Landi" <>
Subject: Re: Inerta Switch/fuse Relationship/best route to avoid DIY problems

What I usually do before I take something apart that I might have a problem
with,I take out my palmcorder,and tape it,so that I have a "second chance"
to see the item before it was taken apart,I expecially zoom in on any wiring
connections,so that if I am not sure
how something gets connected,it is just a matter of playing back the
tape,and hitting the pause button to see what I would otherwise have  to
judge from memory to remember,my camcorder has the little LCD view screen,so
that I could view as I am working on the car,I usually do step by step
taping,as it is good reference for future repairs if needed. Also making
diagrams or taking instant pictures also helps,but nothing beats video,it
has helped me out more than any repair manual could.You can pick up a
"cheap" camcorder on EBAY,I did.



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:34:44 EDT
Subject: Re: airbrushed T-shirts

I can take you all the way up to the night of the banquet for the friday and 
saturday dinners, ccar show registration and the Rock and Roll hall of fame.  
As far as the sunday event I have 30 remaining tickets at first come first 
serve and the science center will be avail but at regular cost.
You are never going to see a collection of cars like this again I promise 
My next show is going to be a totally different theme.

As far as airfare try



Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:35:55 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <>
Subject: DMC VIN list (chronology info) uploaded to DMCNews web site

I have uploaded the latest DMC VIN list derived from the DeLorean Owners
Directory to the DMCNews web site available at

The uploaded materials includes the VIN list as well as a chart on the
geographic distribution of cars in the US plus a graph of the build rate and
options mix during the DMC production run. A detailed statistical analysis
of the earlier DOD data is available in the DeCO newsletter back issues
(also available in the FAQ) and I'll update that additional analysis in the
next newsletter issue.



Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:23 -0700
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <>
Subject: Concours -- common interior judging items

I had the pleasure of judging interiors at the Millenium Concours in St.
Louis and thought that for the benefit of those preparing their cars for
competition at the upcoming event hosted by Ken Koncelick, I would share
some of the most common point deductions I assessed the last time around.

The considerations I included in the judging included fit, finish,
preparation, and condition. The following comments reference the
corresponding item on the judging sheet.

1 - The door panels were generally in good condition although in a several
cars there was poor panel fit between the upper door panel and the arm rest.
Another problem area with the upper door panel is near the very top where it
comes up against the window glass. In this area, the panel sometimes leaves
a large gap visible from the outside.

2 - The door sill plates carried deductions for about half of the cars.
There were two most common issues: 1) Many cars had a wear mark on the door
sill plate about 2/3 of the way forward on the outer corner edge. I'm not
sure what this wear mark cames from but it was in the same place on all the
cars that had it. I suppose it could be possible that this mark comes from
the pull strap getting slammed in the door frequently or some similar event.
2) Many of the cars had door sill plates that were not cleaned properly and
were left with dirt and cleaning fluid residue. I checked the innermost
grove of the door sill plates by running my little finger down it and about
half the cars had dirst suspended in cleaning fluid gunk in this groove.

3 - I had very few if any deductions for the rear side panels.

4 - The headliners were generally in good shape, but a surprising number of
cars had headliner fabric with the grain running the wrong way.

5 - The sun visors were generally in very good shape and I had few
deductions for the visors themselves. However, the label that is supposed to
be affixed to the driver's visor was in poor shape (or missing) on about
half the cars. This label seems a bit troubleseome since it probably does
not adhere well to the fabric backing of the visor. Many of the labels were
wavy and irregular or had their corners bent up.

6 - Although the pull-straps were in good shape, the plastic bezels in the
door armrest sufferred from some common problems. On about half of the cars
I judged, the plastic bezel around the door release latch was popped up at
the front edge and riding over the top of the rear portion of the plastic
bezel around the air vent.

7 - I don't think I had any deductions for the rear-view mirror

8 - The seats were generally in good condition, although many showed wear
appropriate for the mileage. Only fractional points were deducted for mild
wear on the driver's seats, however, I did make a point to deduct according
to the wear to differentiate those with pristine seats.

9 - The rear cargo net carried deductions for about a quarter of the
vehicles due to the net being fastened in a way that distorted the regular
diamond shaped pattern it produces. The rear cargo net should produce an
undistorted and regular appearance without sagging.

10 - The console was generally not a problem area.

11 - The radio generally was not a problem area

12 - The dash and binnacle were generally good

13 - The A-pillar trim carried deduction on a small number of cars due
either to issues with good fit where it meets the dash or other minor
cosmetic blemishes (like excess windshield glue visible on A-pillar trim).

14 - There were no real surprises with the carpets. However, the carpet on
the rear parcel shelf had poor fit on every car judged (in fact, I don't
think I have ever seen a rear parcel shelf carped pad that actually seemed
to fit). Since all the cars had the exact same deduction for this poor fit
of the rear parcel shelf carpet, this did not result in any differentiation
between cars.

15 - The instrument cluster carried few surprises although a car or two had
170MPH speedos which carried full deduction.

16 - Pedals were generally good

17 - Steering wheels were generally good, although a couple cars exhibited
unusually large gaps between the center steering wheel pad and the rest of
the steering wheel.

18 - Interior lighting was generally not a problem area

19 - Seat belts were surprisingly a major source of deductions. The
deductions came from multiple different sources. A couple seat belts showed
minor fraying or other visible nicks/damage to their edges. Several cars
surprisingly had the seatbelt twisted up in the retraction mechanism causing
it to exhibit an awkward twist and not laying properly. Also, the seatbelt
label was missing on a couple cars and on others was wadded up in a way that
required it to be unforled to be inspected.

20 - The battery compartment on several cars did not appear to have received
attention and in some cases lacked detailing and proper cleaning. In a
couple cases the incorrect battery brand was used and in several cases the
battery hold-down strap was incorrectly tied.

21 - The relay compartment had few surprises, although many cars got
deductions for non-original equipment in the relay compartment

22 - I was surprised by the number of cars that I had to give deductions to
for having incorrect aftermarket floormats. In the area of dealer options,
it appears they can only count against you since they are not required and
if they are supplied but are incorrect or in poor shape they carry

I hope this gives everyone that is preparing their car for the upcoming
concours competition some ideas for areas of the interior to focus on. Feel
free to drop me a line if you have questions or clarifications.

Good luck to the upcoming competitors!



Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:25:52 +0100
From: "Vin#5462" <>
Subject: Cost effective fix for Steering collum switches

How to fix you dip/beam steering column switches for just 6.50 I have found
the exact same Lucas part number for the steering column stem switches which
control indicators, dip/beam headlights, horn and windscreen wipers on
another common car, the 1984 Mini. Look at my pictures /  projects page to
find out more.

see what you think

Good luck


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:42:55 EDT
Subject: New chronology info

Fellow DMCer's,
Knut my hat goes off to you with the newest update on the chronology 
information. The graph and US map of #'s of cars in each is GREAT!!! Having 
compiled the repair shop list I know first hand how time consuming this type 
of data is. DMCer's if you haven't taken the time to check this info out, you 
should. Thanks again Knut, your effort is little by little solving the 
mystery of how many were produced and with what options.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:31:55 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Inertia switch / fuse relationship?


The inertia switch does not require any electrical power to operate. It is,
however, wired to the door lock circuit. Shorting this lead to ground would
cause fuse #10 to blow but should not effect operation of the fuel pump.

"We're here to help you"
DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Substelny <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:44 AM
Subject: [DML] Inertia switch / fuse relationship?

> Ever since I acquired my DeLorean it has not had an inertia switch.  A
> previous owner removed and bypassed it (all 81 and most 82 inertia
> switches were recalled) and I never bothered to replace it.  Until now.
> Last week I wanted to crank my engine without starting it, so I removed
> the bypass.  This worked nicely, and I congratulated myself on
> cleverness.  Unfortunately, the first time I put the bypass back I did
> it incorrectly.  I am concerned that I may have caused a short that blew
> a fuse (or damaged another component).  My fuel pump is no longer
> getting power (it does work when jumpered).
> I have ordered a new inertia switch.  Until it comes, I wanted to pose
> this question to the list: is it possible for a clutzy inertia switch
> bypass cause this type of short?
> The wiring diagram shows that one of the inertia switch leads goes to
> ground, so a short may be possible.  In my case all the fuses seem to
> have survived, so now I am looking into the possibility that I damaged a
> relay.
> Moral of the story: screwing around with one part in an electrical
> system affects others.  Take seriously any work on your electrical
> system, even simple stuff.
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 7 years