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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Poll results for dmcnews
From: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com

2. Re: Inertia switch / fuse relationship?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

3. Re: facia repainting update
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

4. Houston engine upgrade
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

5. Cassette Mortality Poll Analysis
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

6. Puerto Rico news UNRELATED to DeLorean
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

7. Frame inspection/Access panels?
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

8. Re: Mixture control unit for sale
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com>

9. Re: Historic Blunders
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

10. I am here
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

11. DMC in Sanford NC??
From: "Louie Golden" <louiegolden_at_dml_mailcity.lycos.com>

12. Delorean on flatbed
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

13. DeLorean Car Show UPDATE
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Re: Historic Blunders
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

15. "We have Separation"
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

16. fender reproduction
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

17. DeLoreans for everyone
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: 4 May 2000 13:02:02 -0000
From: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Poll results for dmcnews


The following dmcnews poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: The DeLorean Club of Ohio has prepared 
an audio cassette for the Cleveland 
Driving tour.  We are curious about the 
number of spares we might need, in case 
some cassette players destroy tapes in 
the middle of the drive.  Please help us 
to estimate tape mortality by selecting 
the choice that best describes your tape 
player. 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- My Craig player has never broken a tape., 7 votes, 53.85%  
- My Craig player occasionally breaks a tape., 1 votes, 7.69%  
- My Craig player frequently breaks tapes., 0 votes, 0.00%  
- My ASI player has never broken a tape., 1 votes, 7.69%  
- My ASI player occasionally breaks tapes., 0 votes, 0.00%  
- My ASI player frequently breaks tapes., 0 votes, 0.00%  
- My aftermarket player has never broken a tape., 4 votes, 30.77%  
- My aftermarket player occasionally breaks tapes., 0 votes, 0.00%  
- My aftermarket player frequently breaks tapes., 0 votes, 0.00%  



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:49:17 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Inertia switch / fuse relationship?

Mike,

Connect a test wire between the ground post of the fuel pump and ground;
both fenders are grounded. If the pump works the problem has to be in the
inertia switch circuit.

"We're here to help you"
DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Inertia switch / fuse relationship?


> Previously, I said:
>
> > Last week I wanted to crank my engine without starting it, so I removed
> > the [inertia switch] bypass.  This worked nicely, and I congratulated
> > myself on cleverness.  Unfortunately, the first time I put the bypass
> > back I did it incorrectly.  I am concerned that I may have caused a
> > short that blew a fuse (or damaged another component).  My fuel
> > pump is no longer getting power (it does work when jumpered).
>
> Thank you all for your tips.  As it turns out, I may have done nothing
wrong
> after all.
>
> The new inertia switch came yesterday.  In installed it and my fuel pump
> immediately began to function normally and my DeLorean started right up.
I
> assume that the bypass was damaged.  I had not caused a short.  I patted
myself
> on the back and put everything back together.
>
> When the previous owner removed the intertia switch he also removed sawed
off
> the posts I would use to mount it.  Not wanting my inertia switch to
bounce
> around, I put a dab of hot glue on its case and secured it to the panel by
my
> trunk release lever.
>
> Then I tried to start my DeLorean again.  Relays click normally, but no
fuel
> pump action.
>
> I am now faced with two possibilities:
>
> 1) Could the temperature of the hot glue possibly have damaged the
mechanism of
> my new inertia switch?  It seems impossible, unless the mechanism is made
of
> wax.  When I jiggle it the switch seems to behave normally.
>
> 2)  Perhaps the inertia switch had nothing to do with my problem.  I may
have
> developed that bane of all DeLorean owners: an intermittent electrical
gremlin
> in a critical system.  This could cause me to have a very sad summer.
>
> Any tips on what it might take to get power restored to my fuel pump would
be
> highly appreciated.
>
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:27:27 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: facia repainting update

Robert,

  Great ideas. I sure wish I could see the results. Also I may be interested 
in a copy of the stainless steel radiator cover. Like you I hate the wire 
look that has rusted with time. Please let me know how this all plays out. 
Its worth the price of admission.

Bill Schafer #11596


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:54:41 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Houston engine upgrade

Maybe this was said before, I can't remember, but what is stage2 and 
stage3 going to hold for the Delorean engine, and what is the 
projected horsepower?  Any insite as to how much a brand new engine 
iwth all the stages on it will cost?

thanks

Erik Geerdink
4512...going under the knife this weekend :(



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:13:49 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Cassette Mortality Poll Analysis

The result of the poll was to tell me that it was (almost) not worth
conducting.  Apparently, very few people have ever had a cassette tape
munched by their DeLorean.  I am the only person who reported
experiencing the problem.

While these polls are not scientific, it is usually a good assumption
that the people most likely to respond are the ones who have had the
most difficulty.  Because of this, I conclude that the probability of a
tape being destroyed during the tour is very low.

In case you are interested in my story, here are the details:

Last year, on the way to Saint Louis, our Craig cassette player chewed
up a book on tape.  This has only happened once in seven years.  Patti
and I continued to operate the cassette player for the rest of the trip,
including the long drive back to Cleveland, and experienced no further
difficulties.

Perhaps it was a fluke, or maybe a bad tape.

Thank you all for your participation.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:18:53 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Puerto Rico news UNRELATED to DeLorean

Today, the protesters at the Puerto Rican military base are making
headlines everywhere, including the Internet.

Before anyone asks or comments, this is definitely NOT the same military
base that was once considered for the DeLorean factory.  I checked, and
DMC considered going to an Air Force Base on the west end of Puerto
Rico, near Aguadilla.  Today's headlines are at a Naval Base on the east
end of the smaller island of Vieques.  Don't bother to post on the DML
about it.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:09:28 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Frame inspection/Access panels?

>But as a note to anyone 
> looking _at_dml_ a car they are considering to purchase, ALWAYS bring a 
> philips screwdriver with you to remove the access panels to check 
> for this kind of damage.

Robert,
  As I am hopefully-soon-to-be-living-the-dream, could you please 
specify exacly which access panels, their locations, and what to look 
for?  I plan on seeing a few D's soon, and would like to perform
these types of inspections myself.  I may or may not be able to get a 
car on a lift, so any assistance on frame inspection without the aid 
of an expert would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
 -Hank Eskin




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:05:12 -0700
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com>
Subject: Re: Mixture control unit for sale

Sorry,

I should have mentioned it does include the fuel distributor.


Thanks,

Duke

----- Original Message -----
From: Duke <at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com>
To: 'DMC Mailing List' <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:24 PM
Subject: [DML] Mixture control unit for sale


> If anyone is looking for a good mixture control unit, here is one for
sale.
>
> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/24881957
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Duke
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:18:46 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: Historic Blunders


I'm sure I'm missing something here..

Assuming the British Gov't destroyed the original dies used to 
stamp the body panels, why can't some enterprising person take an 
existing LF fender (for example), make a new die from that, and get a 
few hundred fenders produced?  Are the starup costs just too great?  
Are there legal issues with copying the design?  Obviously, there is 
enough demand.  Has this been tried before?

Thanks,

-Hank Eskin



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:34:30 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: I am here

Hello All:

	Yes I am out here!, My Internet server was purchased by another company and
has been on the Fritz ever sense, If I don't reply in a billionth of a
second, I either did not get your message at all or I will get it sooner or
later. I generally reply in 24 hours of getting e-mail.



	That said: 


	I have a great buy for some one. It's an AIR-CONDITIONER compressor
Part#100718

	It is a spare (new) but used unit that pulls the temp down to 36 degrees F.

	I got the unit with some other new parts from an owner, installed it and
used it
	for a summer and removed it  to be a spare. I don't for see the original
now in my D
	failing so I am offering it to some one who will give it a good home.
asking $200

	Please contact me privately at:  Lee_at_dml_radiance.com


Thanks


Lee





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:25:05 -0200
From: "Louie Golden" <louiegolden_at_dml_mailcity.lycos.com>
Subject: DMC in Sanford NC??

I was driving down the road the other day and to my amazement I saw a DeLorean. I live in a tiny town (Sanford, NC) and was thrilled to finally see one on the road (especially in my hick town). It was sighted on Gulf street, turning right on Sunset (I think). If this was you, I would be thrilled to talk with you.

PS-I would like to tell a man from South Carolina thanks; I saw him at a car show in charlotte, NC _at_dml_ Charlotte Motor Speedway, and talked with him for quite a while about his DeLorean. This was my first time to actually get in a DeLorean. It made my day!! (I was the tall red-head) THANKS AGAIN!!

SOON TO BE DELOREAN OWNER L. GOLDEN


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:41:22 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Delorean on flatbed

I need to take my Delorean on a journey via my new flat bed.  I don't 
want to run the delorean under it's own power because the reason I'm 
moving it is because of the transmission.  So I will be using a wench 
to pull it up onto the trailer.  Heres my question:  where do I hook 
the chains on the Delorean to pull it up?  The only thing i see to 
hook it on is the sway bar, and wouldn't that pull it off?  So, if 
someone could tell me that would be great.  I'm leaving Saturday 
morning....really really early.  Thanks

Erik Geerdink
4512



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:44:11 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show UPDATE

Well all I can say is thank you. 

<A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">DeLoreancarshow.com</A>

As of Today I have processed all the registrations received in time for the 
free T-shirts.  The registration so far for the Friday night at the Crawford 
exceeds the number we had last time at Montgomery INN (Gregory Center)
Still a few behind for Saturday but way ahead of last years registrations. 

HOTEL ROOMS AS OF NOW ARE NOT A PROBLEM 

If I get another big rush of registrations I just may have another surprise 
for you.
( I AM WORKING ON SOMETHING RADICAL) no guarentees
Ohio has widened its lead in registrations with 22
NJ has 9 
other states are IL, IN, GA, NC, FLA, TX, 
CO,MD,DE.CA,WA,ONTARIO,VA,TN,WI,MN,AL,OR,and NY

Where are you folks from IOWA ????????
big group from Iowa last time.
And Arizona ????????? James not included
South Carolina??????
Lousiana???????
Mississippi???????
Oaklahoma??????

Still waiting to hear from you
Last time we had 27 States represented.

Just to let you all know John Z DeLorean will host a question and answer 
session for at the Crawford Museum on Friday night.  He will be at the show 
Saturday and pose with us all at 5:00 for pictures.  He will also be at the 
Saturday dinner but there is no specific plans made for that evening yet.

For Friday everyone needs to be in front of the cars at 4:50PM to get the 
pictures taken.  After that  I need a lot of voluneteers to move 22 tables 
and 220 chairs from outside on the lawn to inside for our dinner. I have 25 
minutes to do this and as one person I don't think I am that fast.  With 
enough people it should be done in 15 minutes.  


Change  in schedule dinner was at 6:00
The dinner will now begin at 6:30 (food served around 7)and go till 10:30 
I needed the extra time sorry.

Also due to John DeLorean coming I had to make other arrangements for Friday 
so we will be able to get into the museum at 6:00 on Friday which should make 
it a lot easier for those of you on the Ralley.  And easier on me too
you don't want me to drop like I felt like doing last time LOL

Well thanks again and can't wait

Ken  








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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:13:04 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Historic Blunders

At 03:18 PM 5/4/00 -0000, you wrote:
>
>I'm sure I'm missing something here..
>
>Assuming the British Gov't destroyed the original dies used to 
>stamp the body panels, why can't some enterprising person take an 
>existing LF fender (for example), make a new die from that, and get a 
>few hundred fenders produced?  Are the starup costs just too great?  
>Are there legal issues with copying the design?  Obviously, there is 
>enough demand.  Has this been tried before?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Hank Eskin
>
 reply:

Hank,


	It's mostly the cost of the dies then the cost of stamping. With as few as
200
units the cost would be close to if not more that the current price.
Working stainless is
not as easy as you might think, it is different than regular steel. You may
not that there
are no complex curves in any of the Delorean stainless panels. They are for
the most part
developed surfaces, which is no accident. Consider for a moment that when
the car was in production the part cost several hundred dollars with 8,000
units stamped out.

	Now there is another solution - Hand fabrication

	My understanding that there is a place in Germany doing just that, I don't
know the price how ever. Maybe some other list member can add to this
information.

Lee


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:43:42 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: "We have Separation"

Hey List,

   I just spent the last 4 and a half hours (5:00 pm EST - 9:30 pm EST)  
separating the body of my DeLorean from the frame.  I used about 20 cinder 
blocks, 2 4x4's that were 8 feet long, 4 jack stands and a hydraulic jack and 
a LOT of patience.  I took pictures of the whole thing so when I get them 
developed I will be sure to get them up on either a web page or the files 
folder in eGroups.  After I had finished doing it all and I saw what I had 
done, I just couldn't believe the whole process worked.  I mean for the past 
4 months, I had an idea of how to do the separation, but I never thought it 
would work as perfectly as it did.  I was especially afraid that the 
windshield glass or the back glass would crack when I was lifting each side, 
but not even a small crack.  The hardest part of doing this was moving those 
darn cinder blocks ALL over the place.  Now that I sent this post out I think 
I am gonna collapse now.  Gotta think about the next part of my restoration.

Later,
Nick
VIN#1852    Body + Frame =  DeLorean


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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:12:47 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: fender reproduction

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, heskin_at_dml_b... wrote:
> 
> I'm sure I'm missing something here..
> why can't some enterprising person take an 
> existing LF fender (for example), make a new die from that, and get 
a 
> few hundred fenders produced?  Are the starup costs just too 
great?  
> Are there legal issues with copying the design?  Obviously, there 
is 
> enough demand. 

A couple of problems. Take a look at the repro steel fenders commonly 
passed off by body shops for conventional cars. They are made in the 
manner you describe (in China), and fit so poorly that the shops have 
to rework them for a proper fit. Try reworking a bad stainless 
stamping - without bondo. Stamping stainless is an even bigger 
nightmare than normal steel since it has a much higher spring-back 
factor. 

I'm not sure that I understand where the approprate level of "demand" 
would come from. That implies that several hundred people would be 
wrecking the front end of their cars, and soon enough that anyone 
making such fenders would recoup the investment. "Enterprising" means 
that the person would expect to make money in a short period of time. 
With the relatively limited number of cars driven often enough to be 
exposed to accidents, there are plenty of spare parts in the form of 
parts cars. As time marches on, the supply of good panels from 
otherwise worn-out cars will tend to increase. The stainless is 
probably the MOST re-useable part of a "parts car". I've been 
watching this for several years now, and have often seen front 
fenders, even the scarce "left" one, for sale for much less than the 
mythical $5000 price. I don't notice a lot of people posting to the 
list looking for sheet metal parts.

Maybe James would chime in here (maybe not due to competitive 
reasons) but I'd be curious about your view as to the yearly demand 
for replacement DMC body panels. I'd be that its less, way less, then 
100 panels of all 8 SS pieces used on the car, not just front 
fenders. 

Dave



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:39:11 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: DeLoreans for everyone

It looks like spring his finally here. Be sure to check out the DMC Car and
other stuff ads at

http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html

There are many new listings posted, with cars ranging from $8500 to $25,000
(not to mention the customized one at $75K, but I'd consider that a bit
outside the range). Don't overlook the ads with the older posting dates -
they may be the most motivated sellers!

Post your memorabilia  - and fenders -  (one listed now at $850) for sale,
as well as anything you are looking for to finish that project car.

dave
Moderator of Moderators/Webmaster
VIN 05429




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