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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. 400 mile ebay D
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

3. De Lorean to sale for Germany and one Brand new DMC
From: cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com

4. Re: anybody selling...?
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

5. Re: Re: Inertia switch bypass
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

6. Re: Ohio show DML I.D.'s
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

8. muffler caps
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

9. RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: Jung.Jack_at_dml_fin.gc.ca

10. Re: 400 mile ebay D
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

11. RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

12. Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

13. Re: Re: Ohio show DML I.D.'s /Facias
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

14. Rear tire torque spec.
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com

15. $9,900 DeLorean for sale
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: muffler caps
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Cargo Net
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

18. Re: 400 mile ebay dented D
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

19. Front License plate bracket
From: tony Izzo <dmc-delorean-2000_at_dml_excite.com>

20. Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

21. Re: Re: 400 mile ebay dented D
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

22. Key
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

23. RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

24. Re: muffler caps
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

25. Doors open too FAST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:36:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Posey <cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: 400 mile ebay D

Well my brother in law checked out the Delorean in Franklin
for sale on ebay.  The radio does not work, is that a major
problem? Could that be a fuse? Another quirk the car has is
if you use the power door locks while the car is running it
kills the engine, what does that mean??  It needs door
struts becuase they do not stay up on their own. They used
the Checklist to go over the car.  It had a couple of dents
but I don't think it could be too major, except the one of
the famous left front fender.  

Thanks for any input that can be given,

Aaron 

cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:12:10 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

I don't suppose you could have someone make the run with a GPS receiver and
then post the waypoints?  I intend on being high-tech enabled.  No HUD but I
will have a navigator.  :-)

Or does that just take all the fun out of it?


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Substelny [mailto:msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:12 PM
> Subject: [DML] Driving Tour Dry Run Report
>
>
> Last Saturday, the "dry run" of the Nobody Gets Lost Driving Tour and
> Rock & Roll Road Rally came off (almost) exactly as planned...
<snip>
> We are developing our own system, but if anyone knows of any tips or
> possible pitfalls please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Mike Substelny



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:24:49 +0200
From: cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com
Subject: De Lorean to sale for Germany and one Brand new DMC





I have a De Lorean to sell for Germany. Tüf till 2001
Black leather, Automatic good Condition this car runs fine (15000 km last 12
month)
Price DM 31500.-

De Lorean for Switzerland available too.

One Brand new De Lorean available ready for shipping (6 Month waranty) US$
48'000.-

If you have Intresst contact

De Lorean Automobile Lommis
wirz_at_dml_delorean.ch




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:04:51 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: anybody selling...?



I have and engine, trans and frame from a DeLorean that was torched. The
car had no miles on it so the owner insured it for $100,000 and then tried
to collect on the insurance money.  He ended up in jail.

The frame is complete but the paint is burned off and has surface rust.

The engine has the plastic component burnt off but is a zero mile engine.

The transmission should be fine, just so surface corrosion from sitting in
the junk yard for 10years.

You can call me at 630-325-2083 if you are interested

Bob Brandys



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:06:09 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Inertia switch bypass

My fuel pump is working properly again!  Below is the diagnosis of this common
problem, which I *thought* was caused by a faulty inertia switch bypass.

BRUCE BENSON wrote:

> Several years ago I helped a friend diagnose a non-functioning fuel pump. We
> found no continuity between the pump and the inertia switch.

This turned out to be my problem, too.  However the trouble was neither in the
inertia switch nor in the wires between the pump and the switch.  It was the
connecting plug right at the pump.  The connector was simply worn out.  $2.49 at
the hardware store got me back on the road.

Many thanks to all the DMLers who responded, but it was actually Warren at DMC
Houston who tipped me off to this solution.  Apparently these electrical
connections wear out frequently, and original replacements are not available.
It's just as well, since the new connector I installed should last much longer
than the original.

Unfortunately, now my water pump has developed a small leak.  I suppose at 60k
miles it was just about my time.  I have ordered a replacement, but I might not
get it installed before I am scheduled to be at a car cruise this Saturday.  If
anyone sees a DeLorean slowly emerging from a shroud of hot steam, it's probably
me.

[That was a joke, BTW.  I  will only drive my DeLorean if I have installed the
new water pump by then.]

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:16:56 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Ohio show DML I.D.'s

One of the great things about the Ohio show will be finally putting faces with the names (emails).  To help identify other DMLer's, I was thinking we should make up some sort of ID's (name tags).  They could say "DML" at the top, then have our first name and email address.  Personally, I know I MAY recognize some of your names if I saw them on a sticker, but I'd definitely recognize email addresses.  Just a thought.

Steve

VIN 2650


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:50:49 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

you are high tech 
what is GPS and HUD
you got a smile out of me on that one 
let me know and I'll try to answer your question I also suggest you e-mail 
mike at 
msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu  since he is running it
I am just an observer like you on this one.
Although I did do the dry run since I can't do it Friday 

thanks and see you therer
Ken


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:39:08 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: muffler caps

Does anybody have the muffler caps for sale?  The kind that were on 
the 82's and 83's?  please e-mail me privately.  Thanks

Erik Geerdink
4512...under the knife



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:59:13 -0400
From: Jung.Jack_at_dml_fin.gc.ca
Subject: RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

GPS  = global positioning satellite

HUD = head's up display



Jack
VIN (not yet)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com [SMTP:kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent:	May 9, 2000 10:51 AM
> To:	dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DML] Driving Tour Dry Run Report
> 
> you are high tech 
> what is GPS and HUD
> you got a smile out of me on that one 
> let me know and I'll try to answer your question I also suggest you e-mail
> 
> mike at 
> msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu  since he is running it
> I am just an observer like you on this one.
> Although I did do the dry run since I can't do it Friday 
> 
> thanks and see you therer
> Ken
> 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:54:56 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: 400 mile ebay D

Aaron Posey wrote:

> Well my brother in law checked out the Delorean in Franklin
> for sale on ebay.  The radio does not work, is that a major
> problem?

No, this is not a major problem.  Based on the tape player survey last
week, about half of the people on the DML have installed an aftermarket
radio anyway.

> Another quirk the car has is if you use the power door
> locks while the car is running it kills the engine, what
> does that mean??

My guess is that the fuel pump is getting shut off or shorted out.  The
inertia switch circuit links the power locks and the fuel pump (by
coincidence, the subject of my thread this week).  This should be
relatively easy to solve.  Check to see if the inertia switch has been
bypassed.  A really quick fix would be to unplug the power locks.  (Some
of us actually prefer to lock our DeLoreans manually anyway).  If you
invest an hour or two you could probably restore the circuit to normal.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:05:37 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

GPS = Global Positioning System.  It uses DoD satellites to pinpoint your
location on Earth to within 100 feet.  Combine it with mapping software and
you're never lost!  Some of the rental-car companies put these things in
high-end cars.  You can input your destination and it will determine the
route and read the directions aloud, TELLING YOU WHEN TO TURN.  Very cool.
Personally, I want the Alpine in-dash model that looks like a regular radio,
but has the screen pop out:

  http://www.alpine1.com/html/De_n_138_n_n.html

In the DMC-12, however, this would block the air vents.  (sigh)

HUD=Heads-Up Display.  It's use in fighter jets, etc., where the dash info
is projected into the windshield.  You focus on the foreground to see your
instruments, or the background to see where you're going, but in either case
you got to keep your eyes forward.  Probably not a great idea in a car but
it sounds fun.  (Maybe if the DMC ever flies...)

Anyway, I'm bringing a notebook PC to Cleveland with a GPS receiver that
plugs into the serial port and has mapping software.  But I've never tried
it before, so it should be interesting.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com]
> what is GPS and HUD


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:02:57 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

Gus Schlachter wrote:

> I don't suppose you could have someone make the run with a GPS receiver and
> then post the waypoints?  I intend on being high-tech enabled.  No HUD but I
> will have a navigator.  :-)

That's a pretty good idea!  The ide is to make staying on course as stress-free
as possible.  I have not used GPS before, but I have a friend who takes one
everywhere he goes.  I can probably talk him into making the run and jotting
down the waypoints.  Anyone with suggestions for the format of this please email
me privately.  I may have a seperate version of the written directions for
people who use GPS.

- Mike Substelny



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:17:47 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ohio show DML I.D.'s /Facias

I am working on name tags and the problem is I don't have most of your e-mail 
addresses. I will however leave a space on the nametag for your e-mail 
address because like you I know most of the people by their e-mail names and 
not their real names.  Good Idea

PS thanks for the overwhelming response on the facias.  I didn't realize the 
number of people that were interested in the photos.
they are in the vault under kens facias or something like that its near the 
bottom of the list.  I posted the last few the othree day so the file is 
complete there are about 20-25 photos I posted from the 40 I took

again thanks and see you there

Ken


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:40:50 EDT
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Rear tire torque spec.

I ordered new tires for the rear of my D today from the Tire Rack. I bought 
the Yokohamma AVS Intermediate, 235 60 15's V-rated. I know that it is 
possible to over-torque the front rims, but what about the rear? Is there 
anything that I need to caution my mechanic when re-installing the rear rims? 
What is the correct torque settings for the rims? Also, what about the tire 
balancing, is there something special for that also? Please let me know...DMC 
Joe? Anyone?

See you in Cleveland...

Thanks,
Joshua Schwartz
001292
Trumbull, CT


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:59:49 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: $9,900 DeLorean for sale

Group,

      I, being a college student and having to combat my expenses, have 
decided to try and sell my DeLorean. I am still toying with the notion, but 
a good offer might take it home. It is an 1981 5-speed with grey leather and 
49,500 miles. The exterior and interior look very good! The hood has a few 
small dings, and the passenger seat has checking. The dash is not cracked or 
faded, but the billet has cracked and the previous owner has put a vinyl 
cover over it and it looks great. Everything works! Windows, locks, mirrors, 
ALL electrical, radio and tape player...etc. Has had all updates as far as I 
know. The engine runs strong, and drives very well. Since I bought it, I 
have put in a new thermostat, wipers, wheel caps, and have a label set and 
muffler heatshield (both uninstalled). The fascias are painted black and 
look really cool! Tires have plently of tread, and look nice. The car also 
has new belts. I drove the car back from Atlanta last week and it did fine. 
I am asking $9,900. The car is in Huntsville, AL. and I will have pics to 
show soon. Anymore questions, please ask! Thanks!

Sean
VIN 7003
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:20:42 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: muffler caps

In a message dated 5/9/00 10:53:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
delorean502_at_dml_excite.com writes:

<< Does anybody have the muffler caps for sale?  The kind that were on 
 the 82's and 83's?   >>

If you mean those big, funky tips, they only come welded on.  You have to get 
the whole muffler.  Unless somebody has an aftermarket substitute.  But there 
aren't any loose originals.

-Wayne
"Living the dream"
11174 with big funky tips


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:15:10 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Cargo Net

>Scott, Wayne,
>All the cargo nets are black. My interior is gray. I actually would'nt
>mind getting an extra one to stash myself, but seems I've heard they're
>scarce. Has anyone checked the supply houses?
>Dan  -  7065
>

There is no shortage of cargo nets, they are readily available from 
all the major parts suppliers, including us.

Part #101454      Net, Parcel Shelf      $66.31

http://www.usadmc.com/dmcstore/BuyNow.asp?PartID=427&Qty=1

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:17:31 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 mile ebay dented D

In a message dated 5/9/00 10:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

<<  It had a couple of dents
 but I don't think it could be too major, except the one of
 the famous left front fender.   >>

Hmmm. Depends where they are.  When I was scouting the market for a D, I saw 
a few that were really nice, like new looking, except a few dings in the 
doors and hood.  No problem, right?  Well, it seems that some dings are 
easier than others. And hood dings can be impossible.  Buy a new hood- that's 
the fix.  Provided you want a flat hood, no flap or grooves.  That's one 
reason I ended up with a car needing mechanical work, but having a perfect 
body.  I didn't want to spend an amount equal to buying a new (small) car, 
only to be riding around in a dent bucket.  And the panels, apart from the 
front left, seem to run (ballpark) $1,000. on average.  Not to mention 
installation.  So do your homework, and talk to someone who knows, like Rob 
Grady, if the dents bother you like they would bother me!

-Wayne 
"Living the dream!"
11174  Dentless!


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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: tony Izzo <dmc-delorean-2000_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Front License plate bracket


hi 
my name is Tony Izzo III, and i am looking for the front license plate
braket that doesnt drill into the bumper but goes on to 3 excisting screws
under the bumper. i bought my car in pennsylvania and i live in new york, so
the car didnt come with a front license plate braket. i have owned my car
for 2 months and think it time i get one befor i get a tiket. i have tried
pjgrady and they have 2 but are a little high priced for me for
now,($37-$49) i am only 16 and looking for a job. if any one knows where i
can get one cheeper (even if used) to use till i can afford pj grady PLEASE
EMAIL ME DeLoreanOwner_at_dml_aol.com.
thanks
tony izzo

lic plate # CB7-02S





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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:30:46 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Driving Tour Dry Run Report


GPS = Girlfriend Pointing south, north, east, west.
    You guys drive a DeLorean. You should at least have a Hawaiian Tropic 
Model navigating you, not a computer.
Senator


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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:56:01 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: 400 mile ebay dented D

In a message dated 05/09/2000 4:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com writes:

<< Subj:     [DML] Re: 400 mile ebay dented D
 Date:  05/09/2000 4:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
 Reply-to:  dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
 To:    dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
 
 In a message dated 5/9/00 10:42:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
 cadysrme_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:
 
 <<  It had a couple of dents
  but I don't think it could be too major, except the one of
  the famous left front fender.   >>
 
 Hmmm. Depends where they are.  When I was scouting the market for a D, I saw 
 a few that were really nice, like new looking, except a few dings in the 
 doors and hood.  No problem, right?  Well, it seems that some dings are 
 easier than others.
 And hood dings can be impossible.
  
Hoods are tough. I was given an 1981 hood with a ding about the size of a 
baseball. Indeed that is what hit it at the Baltimore Orioles Park at Camden 
Yard.
A plumber came and worked out the dent. I video taped what he did. Very labor 
intensive and time consuming. No telling there was a dent.  But buying a new 
hood is in the extreme case of a crease or severe accident damage. IF YOUR 
SERIOUS take a photo and send it to a reputable DMC or Stainless steel artist 
in the Hemming Motor News. 



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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:59:27 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Key



If anyone can part with an original Key Blank, I am willing to pay top 
dollar, whatever price, whatever you want for it.
Please resond accordingly to this address.
Best Regards,

Senator


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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:18:55 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: RE: Driving Tour Dry Run Report

As of last week (5/5/00) it's about 12 feet. The DoD turned off the
intentional degradation that they were doing and are letting the receivers
work as they were intended to work.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 10:05 AM 5/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
>GPS = Global Positioning System.  It uses DoD satellites to pinpoint your
>location on Earth to within 100 feet.
<snip>
>Gus Schlachter
>Austin, TX
>VIN# 4695
>


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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:25:39 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: muffler caps

There *ARE* loose muffler tips available from De Lorean Motor Company 
(Houston). They have no aprt number assigned, and are still in the 
warehouse in Ohio. Since there has been little to no demand for them, 
we have not made it a priority to assign them a part number and make 
them available. Anyone interested in these, please contact me via 
private email.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com

>In a message dated 5/9/00 10:53:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>delorean502_at_dml_excite.com writes:
>
><< Does anybody have the muffler caps for sale?  The kind that were on
> the 82's and 83's?   >>
>
>If you mean those big, funky tips, they only come welded on.  You have to get
>the whole muffler.  Unless somebody has an aftermarket substitute.  But there
>aren't any loose originals.
>
>-Wayne
>"Living the dream"
>11174 with big funky tips



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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:33:32 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Doors open too FAST

Hello list,
    The outside of my DeLorean is starting to come back together.  I just 
need a rear window and the outside is pretty much done(still needs paint).  I 
retorqued my torsion bars because the doors had to be removed.  I put brand 
new pj grady struts on them when it was in the mid 40's(they still went too 
fast then too but I was tired and left them).  now that it is hot outside 
they open to fast and bounce hard at the top(2-3 hard bounces). before I put 
a rear window in I want to get the torsion bars taken car of first.  It makes 
the car look bad when the doors bounce so hard at the top.  how many splines 
should I move it down?  I know it is very touchy so would 1 or 2 notches to 
the trick?  if anyone has had experience please let me know.  I just watched 
back to the future to see how those doors should roughly open.  In part II 
the doors seem to work much better than they do in part I.  but my doors go 
way faster than thoughs.  I know this isnt the best comparison but the 
DeLorean owner that comes to my house has bad struts so I dont really know.
    I am also looking for a used rear window if anyone has one.  I am also 
working on a web-page so people can see what my DeLorean has acheived.

Thank you all,
Dave
#2496-


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