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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Rust
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

2. Reapir Shops in general
From: "Michael Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

3. Virginia Car Shows
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

4. Re: Re: Christina's D
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net

5. Wheel Balancing
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

6. Re: magazine featuring DeLorean
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

7. Grey Side Stripe
From: Trevor L L Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>

8. Re: Get performance!!!
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

9. Re: Tires
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

10. Re: magazine featuring DeLorean
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

11. Re: Jack stand points?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: John DeLorean
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: no door locks
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Delorean Limited Edition
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

15. RE: no door locks
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

16. Re: Re: A Sad day...
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

17. Re: Insurance Cost
From: "william kay" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. PARTS AND REPAIRS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
From: ronpti_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:23:34 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Re: Rust

Wouldn't something like that end up having the same problem as epoxy, in the
long run?

David Levey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <OUTATIME_at_dml_softhome.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Rust


> Just a thought...
>
> I was wondering if the "Spray In" approach or Linex would be a good idea
for
> frame rust prevention
> and overall durability, and worry free care.  (I am reffering to the spray
> on bedliner material)
>
> Ive seen it done on Boats, Aluminum, Wood ets you name it
>
> Any thoughts
>
> Scott Duke
> Virginia
> VIN#????
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JDL <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
> To: DeLorean Motor Company Internet Newsgroup <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:03 AM
> Subject: [DML] Rust
>
>
> >How difficult is it to remove the rust from a DeLorean frame.  It is an
> issue most of us will have to deal with when the epoxy cracks and water
gets
> in.  Naval Jelly/Converter can convert all rust on a frame to a black
inert
> oxide.  A number of coatings are available that work much better than the
> old epoxy.  And frames can be welded to add extra strength if needed.  Has
> anyone on here done this in the recent past (5-15 years) with success and
> satisfaction?
> >
> >David Levey
> >Cleveland
> >
> >PS-  If anyone wants to go to the Mark DeLorean fundraiser featuring a
> visit by John Z, April 12th, please let me know.  If you have already
> requested an invitation, you should have it or it should be on the way...
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:34:33 -0600
From: "Michael Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Reapir Shops in general

It has been my experience that most of the mechanics that do GOOD work on
the D's (aside from the big 3) tend to be slightly out-of-the-way shops and
not any general specialists.  My mechanic in North Carolina was out in the
middle of nowhere, and his shop was a homage to all things old and broken. .
.but he did fast, reliable and inexpensive work on my car. . .

The point? Avoid the foreign specialists, auto dealerships, and "common"
places.  You are likely to find someone eventually that is competent with
DeLoreans and won't try to rip you off. . .

Michael Babb

----- Original Message ----- :

So look around first.  If you can't find a good mechanic... wait
until you can, or you may face a lot of frustration.  Before I bought my D,
I
asked Volvo owners who they used, and eventually selected two shops to try.
The first, a "foreign car" specialist,  told me he had owned a D and liked
it.  To replace the 4 brake hoses, (which I supplied,) and the under the car
coolant hoses, plus an oil change, (I supplied the filter,) took 3 days and
cost me just over $600. The next day, I noticed that the brakes were still
mushy.  He had flushed it, but hadn't noticed that the master cylinder
looked
like a relic from the Titanic.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:50 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Virginia Car Shows

I've updated my web page with the upcoming year car shows that I've received information on so far here in Virginia. It's at

http://www.sybercom.net/dsontos/page4.html


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:52:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net
Subject: Re: Re: Christina's D

Marc,
The car I am refering to was (and may still be) in Roseville Mi. It was
owned by a man named Ron who owns Ron's Pawnshop. His house, yard and
garage is almost directly in back of the shop. This is where the D sat.
She did not look like a prototype (at least as far as I could tell from
as close as I could get). But I did see that the windows were perpetualy
open, so the interior has to be (or have been) trashed (not to mention
the sun). I stopped seeing her there about 2 years ago.
Dan  -  7065                                                                             



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:48:52 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Wheel Balancing

I've seen numerous posts and discussions in the past year about the
vibration that is common on the DeLorean at around 60-70mph. This is also a
problem on other sports cars, and on one of the other lists that I monitor,
I saw this web address:

http://www.gsp9700.com/

This is a site that Hunter Engineering put up for their high end balancing
machine. Not only does it check tire balance, but it can check tire and rim
lateral and radial runout, tire uniformity (hard places in the sidewall
that don't flex like the rest of the tire), and improper bead seating. In
other words, most of the problems that can cause vibrations. The person who
posted the link on the other list swore that it solved his vibration
problem completely.

There is a locator to find a shop near you that has one of these. I'm going
to try it in a few weeks when my budget gets better and will post the
results. If anyone tries it before that, please post and let us know!

Mark N
VIN 6820


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:57:53 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: magazine featuring DeLorean



Practical Classics is a British Car magazine.

In the UK and Europe Tel. 01733 237111


You can try any Barns & Knoble or Borders Books.


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:38:43 -0700
From: Trevor L L Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Grey Side Stripe

Has anyone ever seen the grey side stripe? I am thinking of buying one
and I would like to see exactly what it is first. Does someone have a
picture of it? or know where one is? Thank you in advance
Trevor Johnson
6974 & ????
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:54:00 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: Re: Get performance!!!

At 07:44 PM 4/2/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Wow cross drilled rotors or drilled rotors are just for looks. Has the
>racing world been informed, seems every racing machine out there has drilled
>rotors.  

reply:



Don't make fun unless you are really informed. The fact is that the drilled
rotors are
a direct result of the video industry's need to see some kind of rotational
movement
when doing close up's of tire changes in the pits at races. With out the
little rotating holes
the cameras only see an un-moving  shiny disk. This critical part of every
race would
be lost if the rotors were solid as they are in street cars of low grade
and quality.


Lee


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inside Los Angeles city limits may be fined $500 - and/or serve 30 days in
county jail.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:42:31 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Tires

And if you want the Bold White Letters on the front tires, you will have to buy
white paint. (Firestone site shows the Firehawk SS20's only come with black
letters in 195/60R14)

Hank

DMC Joe wrote:
> 
> If you want tires that look good with "Bold white letters and all" than get
> a set of Freestone Firehawk. If you want a tire that allows the DeLorean to
> perform at the maximum potential intended by the Lotus engineers get a set
> of Yokohama AVS's.
> 
>


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:51:47 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: magazine featuring DeLorean

Haven't gotten the magazine yet, but if the title was given as "Dream Maker. The
Rise and Fall of John Z. DeLorean", it is the British version of the same book. 
The two are the same except for words like earth vs. ground, tyre vs. tire,
etc.  I have both books.

Hank

senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com wrote:

<snip>

> Additionally, the section "The Lotus Position" lists the incorrect title of
> Ivan Fallon & James Strodes book.  The Book title is actually "Dream Maker.
> The rise and fall of John Z. DeLorean."  This is a great read with excellent
> in-depth detail.

<snip>


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:42:17 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Jack stand points?

CAUTION: Be sure to use all standard automotive jacking and support
procedures when raising and supporting the vehicle for service.

There are two different jack support points that will provide safe support.
The jacking support plates located at either end of the rocker panels
(indicated on the jack storage compartment cover) or the frame member
adjacent to the frame tie down hooks will provide for safe support for the
DeLorean.

BTW: We are happy to announce that we now carry a complete line of factory
specification DeLorean parts and Zilla products.
All sales include "live" Tech Support from, yours truly, DMC Joe.

"We're here to help you"
DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <amazinrick_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:55 PM
Subject: [DML] Jack stand points?


> Hello DMLers!
>     Long story short...  while we have the wheels off to be media blasted
and
> powder coated, where is it correct to put the jack stands?  The jack from
the
> car is not even high enough for the stands anyway, but if you can get the
car
> high enough, where do you put the stands (short of buying three more
jacks,
> my dad is saying)?  Thanks a lot!
>     Living the Dream (or will be again by Thurs!)  :)
>             ~Rick E
>                 VIN 11174
>                 South Jersey
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:29:42 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: John DeLorean

I have the John Delorean book"s for sale 20.00 ea. John Hervey. 
Dherv10_at_dml_aol.com + postage $3.00.


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:32:17 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: no door locks

In a message dated 4/5/00 7:18:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com writes:

<< could this be a relay?  there isnt a fuse for the locks, 
 right?  my inertia switch is also disconnected, could that be it? >>

I'm not expert, but the inertia switch IS connected to the door locks.  It 
unlocks them if the car rolls over.  There is a relay that controls the 
locks.  It's the big squarish black box in the electrical compartment.  
That's the one you replace with the Lockzilla, from PJ Grady, which I 
recently installed in mine.  There are also self resetting circuit breakers.  
You need more help than I can offer.  Call Rob at Grady.  (1-631-589-6224  If 
you get an answer machine, don't worry, they're very good about calling 
back.) He'll be glad to help you out, whether you buy Lockzilla or not.  A 
great, easy to install product, by the way

-Wayne
"Living the dream!"
VIN...11174


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:08:02 EDT
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Limited Edition

I e-mailed Mr. Seiler last week about my kit.  Mr. Seiler has not reply -- 
yet.
You are right.  It has been two years.  I guess it may be another two years.
Patience, patience, patience....................................

Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic  9D NY

Kit #009 .........?????????


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:10:45 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: no door locks

David,

If the disconnected inertia switch wire is inadvertently grounded, the locks
will not work (they may lock but not unlock).  Also, the "LOCK DOORS" socket
in the dash will defeat the locks if grounded; this happened to me.

The original door lock module was plagued with problems and may have failed.
You will probably want to replace it with a LockZilla regardless, since the
traditional advice to those with older lock modules is to disconnect them
before the solenoids fry.  There IS a circuit breaker for the lock module
but it failed to trip even when the solenoids were clamped to tight it
prevented the doors from being opened.

You may also have a problem with the locking rods in the doors being
misaligned.  If you want to check the function of the doors, I can give you
the wiring colors from the connector to the lock module that I used when I
was troubleshooting:

   Red/Pink (2) : Door solenoid, Lock Door (apply 12V)
   Red/Gray (2) : Door solenoid, Unlock Door (apply 12V)
   Brown/Gray   : Position switch from door; OPEN when both locks forward
(unlocked), otherwise grounded
   Brown/Pink   : Position switch as above except OPEN when doors locked

NOTE:   These wires are joined together and connect BOTH doors.  Also, the
door locks will not operate properly with the doors open.  I used a
screwdriver to close the latches to be able to work the locks with the doors
open, but got quite startled when I tried to close the door.  :-)     By the
way, I might have the Red/Pink and Red/Gray wires reversed, my notes were a
bit vague.  I knew what I was talking about at the time, oh well.


Good luck,

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:39 AM
> Subject: [DML] no door locks
>
>
> <SNIP>  The door locks started to work in the drivers side door but
> then stopped again.  I used to hear a clicking coming from the electrical
> area but now nothing.  what could this be?  I really want to get my locks
> working so I can put the interior door panels back on.  please
> let me know what to look for.  could this be a relay?  there isnt a fuse
for
> the locks, right?  my inertia switch is also disconnected, could that be
it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> David
> #2496
> </SNIP>



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:12:51 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Re: Re: A Sad day...

I'll ask him next week...I'm told he will be making an interesting
announcement when he is here, but I do not know any details.

David Levey
Cleveland, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Genius" <dmc-xii_at_dml_mailcity.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: A Sad day...


> Does anyone know where he will be living? I heard long ago he has another
home, but I
> do not know where or if it is even true.
>
> The Genius
>
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:27:14   Marc A Levy wrote:
> >On a local radio station (NJ 101.5) today, it was announced that John
> >DeLorean and his family are no longer living on the estate here in North
> >Western New Jersey...
> >
> >I will post if I find a on-line article with details...
>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:39:10 GMT
From: "william kay" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance Cost

In most cases, "sports cars" are no more expensive to insure than regular 
cars. Some idiots will even tell you "If your car is red it will be more 
expensive to insure." The bottom line is that I've had over 20 cars and 
whether I have a Cavalier, a Cadillac limo or a Delorean, the basic 
liability is the same price. If they tell you otherwise, go to a local 
insurance and shop around. What will kill you in price is any kind of comp 
or collision coverage, which most companies will not offer for the car 
anyway.

>From: "John S." <pharaoh_at_dml_enter.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Insurance Cost
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:19:18 -0400
>
>OK, I am alomost ready to make a dision on purchasing a DMC, I do have one 
>more though if anyone can help me. I am 21 with a average driving record an 
>I wanted to know how much it would cost to be a every day driver and an 
>occasianal driver. Any help is much appreciated.
>
>P.S. i did ask my insurance company and they said they cant tell me without 
>a vin no. so if anyone could help that would be cool.
>John Siwy
>
>
>pharaoh_at_dml_enter.net
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:59:47 EDT
From: ronpti_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: PARTS AND REPAIRS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Aside from Delorean One, are there any parts outlets and repair shops that 
any of you can recommend in the Los Angeles area -- especially West Los 
Angeles/Santa Monica.  As to parts suppliers, as long as they can ship 
overnight I guess a source anywhere would work.  Any help will be appreciated.
Ron


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