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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New poll for dmcnews

2. Sorry - please vote again in Mike's Poll
From: "Dave Swingle" <>

3. Re: Deloreans in MAryland

4. Can't Drive Fifty-Five? Poll
From: Mike Substelny <>

5. Driving Tour now GPS Ready!
From: Mike Substelny <>

6. Re: seat wear
From: "Steven G. Rogers" <>

7. Re: DMC pricing?
From: William T Wilson <>

8. 6 speed or more......
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <>

Message: 1
Date: 19 May 2000 13:31:01 -0000
Subject: New poll for dmcnews

Enter your vote today!  Check out the new poll for the dmcnews 

DeLorean Owners: We Can't Drive 

Patti and I have reviewed the notes from 
the Driving Tour dry run, and one 
comment seems to come up over and over: 
"Segment (various) of the tape is too 
long!  We got to the turn (various) 
seconds before the tape did!"

This surprised us.  We prepared the tape 
assuming everyone would drive about 5 
mph over the speed limit.  We warned 
participants over and over not to speed 
(the route passes through at least five 
speed traps).  Yet for that comment to 
appear so often, most participants must 
have been speeding by 10-20 mph.

Are all DeLorean drivers leadfoots?  Do 
we need therapy?    Take this poll to 
find out! 

  o My speedo works and I can keep my speed under contro. (when I choose to do so.) 
  o My speedo works, so I *know* that I drive the way Chuck Yeager flies.  (If you don't like it, get yourself a Yugo.) 
  o My speedo does not work.   (I judge my speed by the Doppler shift from my headlights.) 
  o My speedo does not work, but even if it did I would not read it.  (My DeLorean used to be painted, but it burned off one day during re-entry.) 
  o Well, in my wife's minivan I drive like Chester Milktoast.  (When I'm in my DeLorean I become Richard Petty.) 

To vote, please visit the following web page: 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups 
web site listed above.




Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:13:30 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <>
Subject: Sorry - please vote again in Mike's Poll

Oops - I really did it this time. I tried to correct a minor typo in 
Mike's speedometer poll. It worked, but also reset all the votes - to 
zero. If you voted already, just do it again (Vote early and often, 
just like here in Chicago).


Dave Swingle


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:28:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Deloreans in MAryland


Hello List,

    The Rolls Royce and Bentley Owners of the Greater Washington, DC area 
would like to know if the DMC owners would like to get to gather for a 
"British Evening"
Includes lunch and social evening.

The Lotus car association would like to invite area DeLorean Owners to 
another future event as well.
Event is in development.

In addition, I am planning a showing of a private tour of the infamous Tucker 
car warehouse. A fellow collector/car enthusiast has painstakingly restored 
three factory Tuckers and all related memorabilia. The warehouse includes the 
original test chassis, tons of preserved memorabilia, and the development of 
the Franklin Helicopter engines in various stages of development that were 
retrofitted for the Tucker Automobile.
Due to the vastness and the ability to control a small group, he has asked me 
to invite a limited number of interested individuals to see his collection.

Please contact me if you are interested. 



Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:37:03 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Can't Drive Fifty-Five? Poll

I did not realize that the poll would post without identifying me.  The
"We Can't Drive Fifty-Five?" poll was posted by Mike Substelny, who is
now concerned that the 90 minutes of driving he planned for everyone
might be over in half an hour!

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years


Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:53:24 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Driving Tour now GPS Ready!

Gus Schlachter wrote:

> I don't suppose you could have someone make the run with a GPS receiver and
> then post the waypoints?  I intend on being high-tech enabled.

You want it, you got it.  We ran the route with a GPS receiver and took down the
waypoints of every turn.  Tour participants may now request a version of the
directions with longitude and latitude instead of our sample stopwatch
readings.  Please ask for this version at departure.

BTW we used the GPS system to confirm that our speeds were correct.

In a week or so we will upload the final version of the directions into the
eGroups vault.  It will be in the form of an Excel spreadsheet, and it will
include both stopwatch readings and waypoints.  Anyone who has a programmable
GPS system can enter all the data and be prepared to take the tour in 21st
century style!

- Mike Substelny


Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 8:00:57 -0700
From: "Steven G. Rogers" <>
Subject: Re: seat wear

Other signs of wear that may indicate an unreliable odometer:

Wear on the steering wheel:  Look for a difference in leather wear where it you would likely hold the wheel (10&2 oclock).
Oil from our hands will cause a different sheen to build up over time.

Arm rest wear: Same as above - the center console will have a wear pattern where an arm has been resting.  Less wear,
less use.  Same with door pulls.  Anything leather that is touched by skin will absorb oil over time and change color. (darker)

Scuffing on the oil plug.  More scuffing, more times it has been changed.

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:10:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <>
Subject: Re: DMC pricing?

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Louie Golden wrote:

> will need a new passengers side front fender, passengers side door,
> control arm, and a new front passengers side wheel. It supposedly runs

Any wreck which is bad enough to cause suspension damage will be very
difficult to repair properly.  It is likely that the car has frame damage
also, and even if it doesn't, repairing suspension is not especially easy.

If I were you, I would pass on the car and save up for one that is already
drivable and has only the usual problems.  If you buy the car from someone
that doesn't know much about it, or really needs to sell it, you might get
a good deal!

> repair? Would I be better off waiting a couple of years and saving up
> for a good condition car? I know that front fenders run from

Absolutely.  It's tempting to spend a bunch of money when you have it, but
it's really better to save it and spend it in the most economical way.


Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:14:17 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <>
Subject: 6 speed or more......

In regard to the 6 speed gearbox question.  Yes, although 0.1 second
improvement at 0-60 is a little subtle, the whole point of the sixth gear
would allow much quieter cruising at higher speeds such as 80plus on the

Chris H

----- Original Message -----

Ok, number one.  Nobody has even yet made a 7-speed.  The most gears in any
car is 6.  Second of all the gear ratios would have to be very close
together, that means you would have to shift gears very frequently, like
every 5 mph intervals.
Third there was a test done with a 2000 Mazda Miata 5 & 6-speeds, and the 6
speed accelerated 0-60 in 0.1 seconds faster, who cares about 0.1 seconds.
Fourth, once I sat in a Porsche 911 with a 6-speed with an H shift pattern
with reverse located all the way to the left and up, the other 6 gears were
just like the D's 5-speed + 6th right below 5th gear, well when I tried to
shift into 1st I kept on accidentally shifting into reverse. I don't mean to
discourage you or to sound like this is a dumb idea, but it would be
interesting to try.