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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 61

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Replacement Radio Bracket
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Florida caravan
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>

3. Re: Re: De Lorean in Italy, Italy, Italy
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. organization of delorean owners for M J. F
From: yoda soda <yoda_witha_soda_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. 1986 delorean???
From: "J.D. Robbins" <jrobbins_at_dml_brit.ca>

6. Any DeLoreans in San Luis Obispo
From: David Simkowitz-Rogers <drogers_at_dml_midland-school.org>

7. Re: organization of delorean owners for M J. F
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

8. Re: organization of delorean owners for M J. F
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

9. Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

10. Fan prob.
From: "james sawyer" <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>

11. Glove Box Insert Poll
From: "Josh Haldeman" <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

12. Re: Replacement Radio Bracket
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Caravan from Cincy on Friday?
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

15. Re: Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

16. Compartment Behind Driver's Seat
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. Re: Fan prob.
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

18. More Power...
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. GREY INTERIOR/DIGITAL CAMERA
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com

20. RE: NO 3rd or 4th fan speed
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:17:14 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Replacement Radio Bracket

Hello all,
I just received the radio bracket which is being offered by the DeLorean 
Midstates Club / Micah Fryman. It is an exact replica of the original (which 
is not available anymore). It is a work of art and shows real craftmanship 
behind the product. Although the bracket is without the black wrinkle 
finish, it does have a nice black finish which looks excellent. In fact, you 
would not notice the difference between the original and the new bracket if 
you're not looking up close.
This is a great buy, esp. if your original bracket has been cut (mine was, 
and looked terrible).

All switches etc. matches the holes in the bracket. The black finish really 
contributes to make your DeLorean feel like a "new" car.

Recommended! A+


Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:43:45 -0400
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net>
Subject: Florida caravan

Hi,
I just found out that I will be going to the Cleveland show ;o). There was
someone on the list saing that he will be going from Miami. As I live in
Tampa Bay area (Clearwater) I would like to know who it was. Also, if
anybody else from my area is going to the show, please email me. The more,
the merrier ;o)
Thanks,

Tom Niemczewski
tomcio_at_dml_gtemail.net
vin 6298 (FOR SALE)







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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:19:22 GMT
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: De Lorean in Italy, Italy, Italy

I'm selling a set of Delorean custom wheels that only fit a Delorean... see 
pictures of them on my car: www.geocities.com/deloreanwheels.

I just recently sold my Delorean and kept the wheels and stereo

the wheels and tires are still for sale.

-empress







>From: Hisham Khalifa <hishamak_at_dml_batelco.com.bh>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>CC: cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: De Lorean in Italy, Italy, Italy
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:27:20 +0300
>
>Hello cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com
>
>Chris...
>
>Didn't I email you regarding purchasing two or three deloreans and shipping
>them to Bahrain?
>
>-Hisham-
>
>
>On 24-May-00, cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Reader in Italy
> >
> > We were able to register a De Lorean in Italy.
> > it take Approx. 2 Month. The car was from Switzerland
> >
> > If anybody has Somme Interest to register a De Lorean in Italy (the same
> > way) Please contact me. I have 2 De Lorean in Stock for selling to 
>Italy.
> >
> > Christoph Wirz
> > De Lorean Automobile
> > Hauptstrasse 80
> > 9506 Lommis Switzerland
> >
> > wirz_at_dml_delorean.ch
> > www.delorean.ch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
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>Regards
>--
>-------------------------------------
>Hisham Khalifa
>hishamak_at_dml_batelco.com.bh
>-------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: yoda soda <yoda_witha_soda_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: organization of delorean owners for M J. F

DML,
  is there like a place where delorean owners can help
fund Michael J. Fox's foundation? if there isn't, i
know there will be one soon.

        future DMC owner,
                          E.J.

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please, let's not have a long thread about this subject.  This off-topic idea is worthwhile and I don't have the heart to reject the post.  If someone supplies a URL or snail mail address I will thereafter consider the subject closed.  - Mike S.]

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:18:40 -0400
From: "J.D. Robbins" <jrobbins_at_dml_brit.ca>
Subject: 1986 delorean???


URL of interest... good for a giggle:

http://jameuro.com/ForSale.htm

J
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J.D. Robbins 
Lead Software Developer
BRIT Inc. http://www.brit.ca
BBCanada Inc. http://www.bbcanada.com
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:14:41 -0700
From: David Simkowitz-Rogers <drogers_at_dml_midland-school.org>
Subject: Any DeLoreans in San Luis Obispo

Hello everybuddy

I was wondering if anybody knew of any D's around San Luis Obispo CA or
county. Thanks




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:06:07 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: organization of delorean owners for M J. F

Yes...

http://www.michaeljfox.org/


yoda soda wrote:
> 
> DML,
>   is there like a place where delorean owners can help
> fund Michael J. Fox's foundation? if there isn't, i
> know there will be one soon.
> 
>         future DMC owner,
>                           E.J.
 
 
[MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you, Marc. This worthwhile subject is now closed.  - Mike S.]



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:06:07 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: organization of delorean owners for M J. F

Yes...

http://www.michaeljfox.org/


yoda soda wrote:
> 
> DML,
>   is there like a place where delorean owners can help
> fund Michael J. Fox's foundation? if there isn't, i
> know there will be one soon.
> 
>         future DMC owner,
>                           E.J.
 
 
[MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you, Marc. This worthwhile subject is now closed.  - Mike S.]



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:43:18 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray

Last night I drove my wife's Porsche 924S across town.  While cruising
along and admiring the interior, I was reminded that I once saw a parts
interchange list that showed the 924 shared the DeLorean's ashtray.  On
close inspection, I believe that the 924S also uses the same ashtray,
and I extrapolate that the 944 probably does, too.

I mention this not to encourage parts interchange, but to point out that
in the 924S the interior of that ashtray is *illuminated* whenever the
headlights are turned on.  It is a clever trick using a bulb inside the
center consol, that requires no wires running through the ashtray.  At
night it gives the Porsche a more luxurious look.

I believe it would be a very simple matter to achieve the same effect in
a DeLorean.  If anyone wants to see how it works in the Porsche, just
come to Cleveland.  I will ask Patti to bring her Porsche to Saturday
night's banquet at the Science Center, or maybe the Crawford.

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:45 -0000
From: "james sawyer" <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>
Subject: Fan prob.

Dear group,
Last night on my drive home I was stuck in traffic (70deg outside) I 
noticed a faint light come on that said "fan failer" the light never 
came on fully just kind of faded in and out.  I was running AC and
the 
fan stopped working.  The traffic started moving and the light went 
out.  Further down the road the fan started working again HUM . . . 
what could this be?

A relay?
A solinoid?

any input would be of help
mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Jim Sawyer #4149
 





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:00:57 -0000
From: "Josh Haldeman" <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Glove Box Insert Poll

Dear List,
	The other day, I was working on my car's interior when I noticed that
my glove box insert was wavy, cracked and broken in multiple places. 
I checked out my Dad's car, and sure enough, his is the same way. 
	I'm interested in knowing if this is a common DeLorean problem?  If
so, would people be interested in buying a reproduction glove box from
a DeLorean parts supplier if the craftsmanship was equal to or better
than the original, and if the price was right?  I ask this because DMC
Houston has no original glove box inserts left and I have the
resources to make one, but need to generate some interest first.  
	I have created a poll at the following URL to find out if this is
something I should pursue getting done.  The address is:
http://www.egroups.com/polls/dmcnews
	I'd like to get as many people participating in this as possible, so
if your glove box is in need of repair or replacement, or think it may
need replaced in the future please check out the poll.
		Thanks for your help,
		Josh Haldeman
		VIN 5102
		VIN 15964    




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:02:47 EDT
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Replacement Radio Bracket

In a message dated 5/25/00 8:58:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

<< Hello all,
 I just received the radio bracket which is being offered by the DeLorean 
 Midstates Club / Micah Fryman. It is an exact replica of the original (which 
 is not available anymore). It is a work of art and shows real craftmanship 
 behind the product. Although the bracket is without the black wrinkle 
 finish, it does have a nice black finish which looks excellent. In fact, you 
 would not notice the difference between the original and the new bracket if 
 you're not looking up close.
  >>

You can get the finish you are looking for.  There is a product made by 
Krylon called "Wrinkle Finish."  It is paint and it comes in a spray can.  
You can get this product in any hardware store or home center that carries 
the Krylon Product. You spray it on and it will "wrinkle up" as it dries.  
The surface finish is very durable and long lasting.  It comes in different 
colors.  The color you will need is #3370 Jet Black. 

Kayo Ong
#05508 
Lic 9D NY



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:27:28 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray

Any chance of getting a photo of this and place it in the vault?
How about it Mike? :)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY


>in the 924S the interior of that ashtray is *illuminated* whenever the
>headlights are turned on.  It is a clever trick using a bulb inside the
>center consol, that requires no wires running through the ashtray.  At
>night it gives the Porsche a more luxurious look.
>
>I believe it would be a very simple matter to achieve the same effect in
>a DeLorean.  If anyone wants to see how it works in the Porsche, just
>come to Cleveland.  I will ask Patti to bring her Porsche to Saturday
>night's banquet at the Science Center, or maybe the Crawford.
>
>- Mike Substelny



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:47:45 -0700
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Caravan from Cincy on Friday?

Dear List,
    Anyone in the Cincinnati area want to join my father and I in a
DeLorean caravan on our way to Cleveland Friday, June 16th?  I was also
thinking the group coming up from Florida, (or anywhere south of
Cincinnati for that matter) might want to join in too.  Depends on what
day and time you are planning on coming through the area though.  We
intend to leave Cincinnati at noon on Friday.  E-mail me personally if
you want to join in, and we'll set up the logistics.  71 goes through
the heart of Cincinnati, so it shouldn't be much trouble to hook up.
Let me know.
    Thanks,
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964
    haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu
    513-232-4076




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:16:36 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Illuminated DeLorean Ashtray

Stian Birkeland wrote:

> Any chance of getting a photo of this and place it in the vault?
> How about it Mike? :)

I will see what I can do.  The ashtray is black and you cannot see the light
during the day, so I doubt that any photo taken by me will do justice to the
look that Porsche achieved.  Perhaps if a skilled photographer comes to
Cleveland he/she will be able to get a good image.  Are any of you skilled
photographers?

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years








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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:44:39 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Compartment Behind Driver's Seat


Hello,
I'm just curious as to how the compartment's lid is supposed to open. I'm 
talking about the compartment behind the driver's seat.

My compartment lid is "loose", meaning than whenever I use my key to open 
it, it sort of jumps out of the two fitting holes that I would guess should 
hold it in place.

I would also guess that this is not the way its supposed to function...or is 
it? Anyone have the same experience? It's a bit annoying at times, you open 
the little door only to find it becomes loose and "hanging" on your key... 
Maybe I need a new compartment lid?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:34:29 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Fan prob.

Sounds like you have the factory fan fail module.

Either install the update, or Get the Fanzilla from PJ Grady. 
http://www.pjgrady.com/

james sawyer wrote:
> 
> Dear group,
> Last night on my drive home I was stuck in traffic (70deg outside) I
> noticed a faint light come on that said "fan failer" the light never
> came on fully just kind of faded in and out.  I was running AC and
> the
> fan stopped working.  The traffic started moving and the light went
> out.  Further down the road the fan started working again HUM . . .
> what could this be?
> 
> A relay?
> A solinoid?
> 
> any input would be of help
> mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
> Jim Sawyer #4149



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: More Power...


Hi guys,

Have any of you noticed a large draw on your Voltometer when you turn on the AC?  I have really noticed when I turn on the AC that some times at Idle the meter reads under 13 VOlts.  Is that pretty common?  Have any of you purchased a better alternator, or another fix?  

Thanks,

C

VIN 16367



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:22:26 -0000
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: GREY INTERIOR/DIGITAL CAMERA

Hello

Anyone with a Digi Camera and grey interior D, please contact me.


Your help is very much appreciated!




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:22:47 -0500
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: RE: NO 3rd or 4th fan speed

The original message said ... "I crimp with a full ratchet
tool and then solder. It may be an overkill, but I don't have problems in
the
middle of the road."

When you crimp and solder, the solder firms up the wires that can result in
broken wire strands at the solder point, eventually resulting in overheating
of the wires or full failure.  The soldered portion stays firm and the wire
near the soldered connection flexes eventually breaking some of the strands.
The wire should be supported beyond the solder or strain relieved in another
manor to prevent flexing near the solder.  This is much more of a problem
where the connections see greater vibrations but in a car, all wires are
subject to vibration.

Note that this tidbit was picked up from the aviation business where they do
a lot of crimped connections.  Soldered and crimped is either HIGHLY
discouraged or unacceptable, I forget which.  A good crimped connection is
more than adequate.  Using a good ratcheting style crimper should produce a
very good connection.

I'm sure there are many connections out there that are performing well and
are both soldered and crimped.  Being a "belt & suspenders" person myself on
occasion, I used to believe that soldering crimped connectors was the best
way to go and that factory production of these types of connectors were not
soldered in order to save money.  The aviation wiring article that pointed
out the reason why not to solder and crimp changed my opinion.

Nick Kemp


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