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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 67

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: cooling fans
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

2. Re: Painting a DeLorean
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com

3. Key Insert "Flap"
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Staining a D
From: "Alex Alameda" <watchermax_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. That unmistakable stripe!
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Good DeLorean Experiences
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

8. lowering
From: "Robert Bell" <elduke_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Staining a D
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

10. Re: That unmistakable stripe!
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Deloreans to help Charities
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>

13. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

14. To All With Digital Camera
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com

15. D Day #4: Gas Flap question..
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

16. Re: Good DeLorean Experiences
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

17. Re: Good DeLorean Experiences
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

18. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: D Day #4: Gas Flap question..
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>

21. Still locked out
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

22. Re: D Day #4: Gas Flap question..
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

23. Dimmer Switch, continued
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

24. Re: New tachometer, still nothing
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

25. A New DeLorean Book
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:17:43 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: cooling fans

Brian,

The first item to check is to be sure that you have 12 volts at the cooling
fan (blue) socket and by-pass fuses. Let me know the result of your test.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Metz <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: [DML] cooling fans


> Group:
>
> Well, I now have one of the normal problems - my cooling fans.  It appears
> that they stopped coming on yesterday.  (There were fine 2 days ago.)  I
> just replaced the temp. sensor and I know it is OK.  The fans used to come
> on before the temp guage hit half way.  Yesterday, it went over half way
up.
>   When I jumpered the switch, I could hear a clicking (assume this is the
> relay trying to engage) but the fans won't come on.  Then, when I plug the
> wires back onto the switch, I hear the clicking again.  So, the switch is
> fine.  My car has the wired modification upgrade with 2 fuses (no
fanzilla).
>   The fuses are good.  Where should I start?  Can I check for voltage at
the
> fans themselves?  I don't think both fans went bad at the same time.  What
> else could it be besides a wiring problem?  Need to get this fixed before
> Cleveland.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Brian 16584





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:32:24 EDT
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Painting a DeLorean

Is there any way to get the paint off?  you make it sound hard, so i was just 
wondering if it is an easily reversible thing.  Also, sean buddy, Chris 
pointed out an important thing with the dented fenders hidden by paint: a lot 
of people might think that there is some body damage that you hid with bondo 
and then just painted.
personally, a rebrushed body that is taken care of or a clear coated body, is 
much better looking and also more unique than paint.  how many green, yellow 
or red cars are out there?



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 06:50:15 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Key Insert "Flap"


Hello, in lack of a better word I've named this KEY INSERT "FLAP".

I noticed that the outside key insert on my driver's side door is not quite 
correct compared to my passenger side door.

On the driver's side, the little "flap" inside the keyhole, which keeps dirt 
etc. out of the lock, has jammed on the left side inside the doorlock.

The passenger flap works as its suppose to do, you insert the key, gently 
push away the flap with the tip of the key, then open or lock the door. 
Withdraw the key, and the little "flap" goes back to its position.

Now, does anyone have a nice little fix, so that I can get that little 
"flap" on my drivers side door in order again. I hope its not broken. Minor 
problem of course, but since Ive noticed it and am working on the inside of 
the door, this would be the perfect time to fix this.
Please help.

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 05:46:57 PDT
From: "Alex Alameda" <watchermax_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Staining a D

Hi,

I am not a big fan of Painting a D. I personally like the Stainless Steel 
look, However I do think it would be interesting to see a D stained so it 
would still be stainless steel but with a Dark Black or Blue tint to it. 
Dose anyone know if anybody has done this?

Thanks,

Alex.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:49:01 CDT
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: That unmistakable stripe!

Hi Everyone,

I've wondered this for some time now. The black stripe that is on the side 
of some D's.. is this a mark of a certain year?  Also, is it easy to remove 
if you wanted to retain the stainless shine?

Thanks,
Richard P.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:16:33 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing

David, Tach's normally rest at 6000 or around there when you turn the key 
off. After the engins is off, just turn the key back on and then mine goes to 
zero. Yours sound alright to me. 
John
vin11004



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:35:07 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Good DeLorean Experiences

Bill Schafer wrote:

>James,
>
>  I just wanted to say thank you for creating such a fine thing as the DML. I
>have never met you but feel that so many people have been helped by this
>exchange of information that you started. I know that being from Rockton, IL
>I would have to drive to the Chicago area to fined others who would own "D"s
>and would have the shared information. The list has made it possible to find
>answers to specific problems that are Delorean unique.
>Would you just give me an idea of when this DML started and a little
>historical background from your point of view. I am a history type person and
>thought it would be interesting to know. I hope I get to meet you in June if
>you are headed to Cleveland, OH.
>
>Bill
>Vin #11596


Thanks for the kind words...always nice to know when you're appreciated!

It's been a long time, but I remember after buying my first DeLorean 
in May '95, I was frustrated with getting technical advice from the 
DOA. John Truscott is a nice guy, but calling him in California was a 
pain. I had some experience with mailing lists and figured a Delorean 
mailing list would be a great way to share information, bring owners 
together, as well as get my own questions answered! In August of '95 
I started the DML, using no software, just cut and paste and mail out 
to a small group (less than 10, I think).

http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml001.html

Through word of mouth, postings messages on the old AOL message 
boards, a couple months after it started, it got too big to do by 
hand, and I paid a company to handle the distribution, 
subscribe/unsubscribes, etc. When I learned of Egroups I switched it 
there as it was cheaper and a much nicer package. After nearly four 
years of running the DML, I took the job as Marketing Director for 
DMC (Houston) and called on several longtime DML'ers to take over so 
that it wouldn't die out or become lower quality and I would avoid a 
potential conflict of interest. Dave, Mike S, Knut, Marty, Bruce, 
Dick and now Mike G are doing a great job and I am grateful that took 
all stepped up when I called on them.

Had I not created the DML, someone else would have eventually done 
something similar. Would it be as good as the DML is today? No one 
knows, but most mailing lists are NOT moderated, and the 
"signal-to-noise" ratio makes many of them unbearable. The fact that 
there are no other DeLorean-related mailing lists/message boards that 
have the activity level or quality of content as the DML says a lot 
on its own.

I'd like to think that many of the things that people now take for 
granted are a result of the existence of the DML, or at least were 
available sooner because of the DML. Things I'm talking about include:

Ken Konceliks Cincinnati and Cleveland Car shows
Lee Seilers reproduction keys and limited edition models
All the major parts vendors being online
Marty Maiers 140mph speedos, braided brake lines, etc
Mike Sturbas Window arrow stencils
DMCJoe's broader market success
The successes of local clubs
Two great independent DeLorean poster projects

These are just a few of the things available now that unless their 
creators had access to a viable market-size (1000-plus) might not 
have been made/organized.

I will be in Cleveland for the show, unless something happens to me 
between now and then. I will be acting as the coordinator for the 
Concours portion of the event. Please look me up!

James





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:43:12 -0500
From: "Robert Bell" <elduke_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: lowering

I was reading an old issue of DOA and ran accross a Tech Tip about lowering the D by cutting 3 1/2 coils from the springs...Is this a good practice? Do not sound like anything I would be willing to try without consulting the experts...so what do you guys think?
Bob
Vin: 5947


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:38:34 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Staining a D

Would we call that stainFULL steel, instead of stainless? (tee-hee)
    -Josh

Alex Alameda wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am not a big fan of Painting a D. I personally like the Stainless Steel
> look, However I do think it would be interesting to see a D stained so it
> would still be stainless steel but with a Dark Black or Blue tint to it.
> Dose anyone know if anybody has done this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:33:12 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: That unmistakable stripe!

The strip was an extra you could get when you bought the DeLorean. At least, 
that's what I've heard.

-John


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:51:58 EDT
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Deloreans to help Charities

I help each year with The  Childrens Miracle Network which supports all the 
Childrens Hospitals in the U.S.   Has anyone ever used their Delorean in some 
capacity for a fun raiser.  Any suggestions? 

Has anyone ever been asked by there local town to participate in a Parade or
some other event?  Just curious.
  


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:30:13 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing


I think we've had this discussion recently.  Don't the tach's rest wherever
they are when you turn off the ignition?

Scott



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:10:28 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing

> Scott Cagle wrote:
> 
> I think we've had this discussion recently.  Don't the tach's 
> rest wherever they are when you turn off the ignition?


Yes Scott, that is correct.  The tachometer needle should come to
rest at the last RPM reading when the ignition is switched to the
"OFF" position.  It should return to zero when the ignition is 
turned to the "ON" position, and yes, we have had this discussion 
recently. 

Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
Tag: "WIDGET"


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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:19:51 -0000
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: To All With Digital Camera

If there is anyone out there with a working digital camera, and who 
also has a fully funtionable dashboard. I could really use some help. 
Color of car does not matter.

Thanks!



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:56:59 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: D Day #4: Gas Flap question..


Ok, How many people have cut their knuckles on the inside of their gas flap?

Any solutions to this problem?

-Hank #1619




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:30:05 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Good DeLorean Experiences


Dear DML,

Please go to this British Car site and help add the DeLorean.

http://www.team.net/sol/


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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:50 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Good DeLorean Experiences


Dear DML,


For any interested DeLorean owners check out the "British Invasion" car show 
in Vermont.

http://www.britishinvasion.com/main.html


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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:38:30 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing

what?  my tach doesnt work though.   It never has.  It always is at 6000 RPM 
so its not allright:)


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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:44:38 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing

Hello again list,
    maybe I didnt explain my problem good enough.  The tach never moves.  
when you drive the car it stays at 9000 RPMS even if its in idle.  when I put 
in the new tach and I received no movement from it at all.  what could this 
be?  I know it stays at wherever the its at when the car turns off.  any 
ideas?

thanks

dave


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:17:47 -0400
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>
Subject: Re: D Day #4: Gas Flap question..

Been there Done that too!  But only once.

Get a piece of the edge guard - like on the back lip of the hood - and
install it on the sharp edge(s) of the gas flap.

In time you will find that there are a lot of places that you can get a
pretty bad slice if you aren't careful.  The only good thing is that the
metal isn't rusty so you don't have to worry quite as much about
tetanus.......They make knives out of stainless steel don't they?

Keep a supply of Band-Aids handy.


Richard




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:19:18 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Still locked out

Group,


   I got back one reply on the stuck lock on the drivers side door.  I tried 
the recommended solution but no dice.  Has anyone else out there been locked 
out of either door.  I have tried unlocking with the key and power locks but 
it will not come unstuck.  I deduce that I need to get inside of the door 
panel but am not sure what to be looking for and where its at. i would 
appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks,

Bill
Vin #11596


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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:20:48 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: D Day #4: Gas Flap question..

> Hank Eskin wrote:
> Ok, How many people have cut their knuckles on the inside of their gas flap?
> Any solutions to this problem?

Sure! Solution easy! Buy mine! No gas flap, no cut knuckles!

Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982, now for sale)
No Cut Knuckles
Tag: "WIDGET"


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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:35:01 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Dimmer Switch, continued

Hi All,

I've gotten a lot of questions recently about the Jaguar dimmer switch
that I picked up recently at a swap meet.  It is identical in physical
appearance to the DMC dimmer, but as yet I have not been able to
determine which model Jag it is from.  I can't even say for sure that it
-is- a Jag part... but the guy who sold it to me said it was, and it was
in a Jaguar box full of other ones just like it.

The Lucas part number is 785268 1176 or 785263 1176 -- I can't tell for
sure because the 3/8 is stamped right across the little seam in the
casing.  I'm guessing it's a 3 though.

I put up some pics of it on my web site:

http://www.ProjectVixen.com/images/dimmer1.jpg
http://www.ProjectVixen.com/images/dimmer2.jpg
http://www.ProjectVixen.com/images/dimmer3.jpg

I'll keep you posted as I find more information...

-Dave Stragand
http://www.ProjectVixen.com
Vin#: 05927



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:48:02 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: New tachometer, still nothing

> Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> 
> maybe I didnt explain my problem good enough.  The tach never moves.
> when you drive the car it stays at 9000 RPMS even if its in idle. 

Apparently you do not have a factory original tachometer that was never properly 
installed and/or connected and/or calibrated.  The original tachometer is red-lined
 at 6500 RPM and reads a max of 8000 RPM.

Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)


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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:00 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: A New DeLorean Book

 Seeing as how it has been nearly 15 years since a definitive DeLorean
source was written about the automobile, I was wondering if anyone has
thought about writing a new "Morte d' Lorean" aka "Stainless Steel
Illusion".
 What would be the necessary precautions to doing this, aside from
attaining as
much information as one could from the last 20 years or so.  Who would
one 
have to contact for permission rights?  Maybe include a morsel of info
regarding
the "non-existant" New DeLorean.
 I know this sounds a little, if not totally farfetched, but I've really
been pondering 
this certain dilemma for quite awhile. 

Thanks in Advance,

Robert G.
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