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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Rear-view mirror cross-reference
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

2. Re: DMC and fog machine
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

3. Re: Torsion Bar Dis-coloration
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Delorean restoration project, need some tips!
From: danh_at_dml_nwlink.com

5. Re: lowering
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: DMC and fog machine
From: "Edward Raffenetti" <eddie5150_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. RE: DMC and fog machine
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

8. British Car Day at Tanglewood
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

9. RE: Horn replacement
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

10. Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: DMC and fog machine
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: Window Stuck
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

13. Re: Turbos
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Torsion Bar Dis-coloration
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. VIN Signatures
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

16. Re: Re: Gathering a crowd -Was: Deloreans to help Charities
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

17. Thanks (was silly antenna...)
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: Window Stuck
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>

19. Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>

20. Houston Upgrades anyone??
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

21. Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

22. Re: lowering
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

23. Delorean Bankruptcy
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>

24. FOG MACHINES
From: dongowler <dongowler_at_dml_mediaone.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:30:50 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Rear-view mirror cross-reference

Hi All,

I'm getting closer to a cross-reference on the D's rear-view mirror.  A
mirror from a '92 XJS is the same Magnatex number (164), has the same
patent number, and is identical in size/shape.  However, the stalk is
different. (Any way to change the stalks?)

I have found the Maganatex brand of mirror on Rovers, MGs, and Porsches
as well as the Jag.  Has any one ever found a cross-reference on that
mirror?

-Dave




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:53:03 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: DMC and fog machine

Brian,

I have used my fog machine near my DeLorean with no apparent ill effects.  I
wash the car well afterwards just to be safe. Often there is a scent added to
the chemical that makes the fog. (Mine smells like vanilla). After I have used
it, there is a lingering smell of vanilla in the interior.  A little Fabreze
sprayed on things got rid of that.

If you are going to be outside, the fog dissipates pretty quickly.  If inside,
they won't be able to use the machine much or you won't be able to see anything.

My bigger concern would be the open doors all night.  Are you going to be with
the car or is the event organizer going to provide security? When my car was
used a few months ago at a BTTF themed Xmas party, the guests took the open
doors as an invitation to sit in the car and have their pictures taken. 
Unfortunately, a couple of poorly aimed rear ends broke the arm rest extension
on the driver's side. Happy ending: I had rented my car to a production company
who was hired to stage the event and they had an insurance rider on the car.  I
had the check for repairs within the week. (Be sure to inspect the car before
leaving the event and if there is damage, point it out to those in charge.)

Hank

lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have been asked to allow my DMC to be used as the centerpiece at a
> convention.  The theme is Back to the Future, so they really want a DeLorean.
>  Anyway, the contact man called me today and asked if they could use a fog
> machine near the car.  I told him I'd have to get back to him on that one.
> He says it's the kind that uses chemicals and not dry ice to make the fog.
> They want the doors to be open all evening.  My question to the group is
> this: do I let them use the fog machine or do I tell them no way?  Does
> anyone know if these kinds of fog machines produce anything that might be
> harmful to the DeLorean's interior or exterior?  Thanks for the help.
> 
> Brian
> VIN 1597
> 
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bar Dis-coloration

Yep..i got a rusty "candy stripe" as well.  Was
wondering the same thing :)

-Cliff
10854

--- "Tom Watkins  watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net"
<watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net> wrote:
> My torsion bars on the doors (not gas struts) have a
> slight brown 
> discolorations on them. Since these are stainless
> (right?) it can't
> be rust. They look messy and unclean when I when I
> have the doors open
> at car shows and such.  QUESTION: would it be safe
> to mask off the
> entire area and spray paint the torsion bars back to
> a silver color?  
> I don'twant to touch them with anything abrasive as
> that is a major 
> no-no but I thought that an non-invasive painting
> would be o.k.  The 
> doors work fine and Rob did a T-bar adjust last
> summer.  Does anyone 
> else have a similar funky color on their t-bars? 
> Painting them 
> shouldn't be a problem, eh?
> 
> Tom
> #05732
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> team, please address:
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> 


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 03:36:22 -0000
From: danh_at_dml_nwlink.com
Subject: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!

Hey all, 

I recently purchased an 81 Delorean, I only paid a little over 10k 
for it so it's far from perfect. However it was a pretty good deal 
for a running car with no major body damage.  I have a couple of 
questions that I'm sure other Delorean owners can help with. 

- How do you remove the stock stereo. The tech book says that you 
first remove the plastic air vents outlet above the radio and then 
pull the radio through that opening. I tried to pull the plastic vent 
outlet out and it wouldn't budge.  The radio doesn't work so I need 
to get it out to get it repaired (hopefully it's just one of the in-
line fuses). I don't want to pull the entire console apart if I don't 
have to.

- I'm having a problem with my AC cooling fan cutting in and out once 
the car is warmed up.  The fan operates perfectly until the car heats 
up enough for the cooling fan to be needed for engine cooling, then 
the fan cuts out and then works intermitedly from then on.  I assume  
it's just a wiring problem but before I go searching I thought I'd 
post the question first.

- My car has the orginial alternator (not the motorolla, the other 
one whose name starts with a D??).  Should I bother replacing it with 
a higher output alternator? could it be the source of the fan problem 
I mentioned before (unlikely)? If I should choose to replace it are 
there any hi-output alternators that fit the Delorean without 
requiring any extra parts? 

Finally - There are a couple of shallow dings in the stainless steal 
panels (both about the size of golfball). Has anybody had any luck 
with regular body shops being able to pound these things out, or will 
they not touch SS.  If bodyshops won't touch it what kind of shops 
might?

Thanks, 

-M




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:27:21 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: lowering

DO NOT CUT YOUR SPRINGS!

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Empress Ballroom <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] lowering


> Someone told me to cut 3.5 coils out of the rear springs and put them in
the
> front and put the stock front springs in the back. Apparently this works
but
> it is really bad for the suspension because you can't adjust the
> rear..."camber" I think is the word he used. So it is not a great option.
> Some of the other companies have adjustable rear suspension components
that
> you can buy, they were on display at the St.Louis 1999 convention. Also,
PJ
> Grady has shorter front springs that lower the front about 1.5 inches.
>
> -empress
>
>
> >From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
> >Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> >To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [DML] lowering
> >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:15:59 +0100
> >
> >  Robert/ list,
> >
> >My suspension expert was "horrified" by the thought of cutting
> >springs..don't do it..live with what you have got or get a proper
handling
> >kit....Just my 2 pence worth.
> >
> >Chris P DOC UK





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:27:37 GMT
From: "Edward Raffenetti" <eddie5150_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DMC and fog machine

The fog they use will either be oil or water based. In the theater I work 
in, we have to use water based because the oil based threatened to set of 
our smoke alarms. We also add a strawberry scent to the fog. I've never 
worked with oil based, but I imagine it could leave a oily residue. 
Something to think about.

~Eddie
http://eraffenetti.tripod.com

lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>Anyway, the contact man called me today and asked if
>they could use a fog machine near the car.  I told him
>I'd have to get back to him on that one. He says it's
>the kind that uses chemicals and not dry ice to make
>the fog.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:07:03 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: DMC and fog machine



In the mid-eighties my Delorean was used in a Valoline commercial. During
this shoot they used a fog machine and the car was subjected to the fog for
about eight hours. I was not the owner of the car at the time, but the
previous owner never mentioned any ill effects from the fog and I have seen
no long term effects.

Robert Starling
Vin#5252





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:28:36 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: British Car Day at Tanglewood

On June 11, 2000 British car day will be held at Tanglewood here in Clemmons
NC. If anyone is interested in joining Darren (Vin#5000) and myself, please
contact me. We will be meeting at my house (6:00am) for coffee and doughnuts
(the breakfast of cops) prior to crossing the street for the event.

I do not have all the information on this event as of yet, but I will have
it soon. There should be about 400 to 500 cars if it is a repeat of the
previous events.

Robert Starling
Vin#5252





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:28:38 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Horn replacement


I purchased a set of horns while just walking through Auto Zone last year.
Sure of the moment purchase. Cost was a mere $9.99. They fit in the stock
locations and connect with no mods. They sound great, but there is one draw
back....they are red. But who is ever going to really know....

Robert Starling
Vin#5252





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:31:55 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!

Before pulling the entire radio why not check for an open in-line fuse.

Your cycling cooling fan problem may be easily corrected by replacing the
cooling fan circuit breaker.

If the alternator with the D is a Delco your O.K., if it's a Ducellier; get
rid of it. You can contact us or your favorite DeLorean parts supplier for a
replacement.

Most body shops cannot repair your stainless steel panels. We send all of
our damaged panels to DMC Houston.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <danh_at_dml_nwlink.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:36 PM
Subject: [DML] Delorean restoration project, need some tips!


> Hey all,
>
> I recently purchased an 81 Delorean, I only paid a little over 10k
> for it so it's far from perfect. However it was a pretty good deal
> for a running car with no major body damage.  I have a couple of
> questions that I'm sure other Delorean owners can help with.
>
> - How do you remove the stock stereo. The tech book says that you
> first remove the plastic air vents outlet above the radio and then
> pull the radio through that opening. I tried to pull the plastic vent
> outlet out and it wouldn't budge.  The radio doesn't work so I need
> to get it out to get it repaired (hopefully it's just one of the in-
> line fuses). I don't want to pull the entire console apart if I don't
> have to.
>
> - I'm having a problem with my AC cooling fan cutting in and out once
> the car is warmed up.  The fan operates perfectly until the car heats
> up enough for the cooling fan to be needed for engine cooling, then
> the fan cuts out and then works intermitedly from then on.  I assume
> it's just a wiring problem but before I go searching I thought I'd
> post the question first.
>
> - My car has the orginial alternator (not the motorolla, the other
> one whose name starts with a D??).  Should I bother replacing it with
> a higher output alternator? could it be the source of the fan problem
> I mentioned before (unlikely)? If I should choose to replace it are
> there any hi-output alternators that fit the Delorean without
> requiring any extra parts?
>
> Finally - There are a couple of shallow dings in the stainless steal
> panels (both about the size of golfball). Has anybody had any luck
> with regular body shops being able to pound these things out, or will
> they not touch SS.  If bodyshops won't touch it what kind of shops
> might?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -M





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:49:51 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DMC and fog machine

The fog is no problem, just be sure to get a signed damage waiver.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] DMC and fog machine


> Brian,
>
> I have used my fog machine near my DeLorean with no apparent ill effects.
I
> wash the car well afterwards just to be safe. Often there is a scent added
to
> the chemical that makes the fog. (Mine smells like vanilla). After I have
used
> it, there is a lingering smell of vanilla in the interior.  A little
Fabreze
> sprayed on things got rid of that.
>
> If you are going to be outside, the fog dissipates pretty quickly.  If
inside,
> they won't be able to use the machine much or you won't be able to see
anything.
>
> My bigger concern would be the open doors all night.  Are you going to be
with
> the car or is the event organizer going to provide security? When my car
was
> used a few months ago at a BTTF themed Xmas party, the guests took the
open
> doors as an invitation to sit in the car and have their pictures taken.
> Unfortunately, a couple of poorly aimed rear ends broke the arm rest
extension
> on the driver's side. Happy ending: I had rented my car to a production
company
> who was hired to stage the event and they had an insurance rider on the
car.  I
> had the check for repairs within the week. (Be sure to inspect the car
before
> leaving the event and if there is damage, point it out to those in
charge.)
>
> Hank
>
> lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I have been asked to allow my DMC to be used as the centerpiece at a
> > convention.  The theme is Back to the Future, so they really want a
DeLorean.
> >  Anyway, the contact man called me today and asked if they could use a
fog
> > machine near the car.  I told him I'd have to get back to him on that
one.
> > He says it's the kind that uses chemicals and not dry ice to make the
fog.
> > They want the doors to be open all evening.  My question to the group is
> > this: do I let them use the fog machine or do I tell them no way?  Does
> > anyone know if these kinds of fog machines produce anything that might
be
> > harmful to the DeLorean's interior or exterior?  Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Brian
> > VIN 1597





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:03:13 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Window Stuck

Justin,

Remove the upper door panel. Remove the cable to glass carrier assembly nuts
(parts manual 3/6/5 #5). Pull the cable end off the carrier studs and slide
the window up and closed, use clear plastic shipping tape to hold the window
in place.
CAUTION
Cover the edges of the access hole in the stainless door panel to prevent
the sharp edges from cutting your hands.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <paraversal_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:59 PM
Subject: [DML] Window Stuck


> I have the window blues.
>
> My passenger side window is jammed in its position about halfway up and
> halfway down. I realize that these windows have about a 90% failure rate
and
> I plan to replace the window systems this summer at DMC when I move to
> Houston. But in the meantime I have a window that is stuck halfway down
and
> anything (or anybody) can get into my D.
>
> I just need to know a procedure to get the wondow up...not a permenant
fix.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Justin
> DeLorean Michigan
> VIN 5172
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:08:36 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Turbos

The DeLorean Motor Center Garden Grove CA 714 554-6794.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.
  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris C <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:45 AM
Subject: [DML] Turbos


> Does anyone know where I can get the single BAE turbo kit for my '83 
> DMC 16727 an at what cost?





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:36:48 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bar Dis-coloration

Cliff,

The "barber pole" strips on the door torsion bar are a stress patterns left
by the "ten revolution twist in liquid nitrogen manufacturing process". The
lines are easily removed with a scotch-brite pad.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Torsion Bar Dis-coloration


> Yep..i got a rusty "candy stripe" as well.  Was
> wondering the same thing :)
>
> -Cliff
> 10854
>
> --- "Tom Watkins  watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net"
> <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net> wrote:
> > My torsion bars on the doors (not gas struts) have a
> > slight brown
> > discolorations on them. Since these are stainless
> > (right?) it can't
> > be rust. They look messy and unclean when I when I
> > have the doors open
> > at car shows and such.  QUESTION: would it be safe
> > to mask off the
> > entire area and spray paint the torsion bars back to
> > a silver color?
> > I don'twant to touch them with anything abrasive as
> > that is a major
> > no-no but I thought that an non-invasive painting
> > would be o.k.  The
> > doors work fine and Rob did a T-bar adjust last
> > summer.  Does anyone
> > else have a similar funky color on their t-bars?
> > Painting them
> > shouldn't be a problem, eh?
> >
> > Tom
> > #05732






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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:00:40 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: VIN Signatures

The use of the VIN in the signature apparently became common practice only
recently, and was evolutionary, not revolutionary.

The first occurrence of the VIN in the signature was in Digest #3 in August
of 1995:
"Marv Sterling vin #16000"

But this was not Marv's autosignature and he didn't use it on every post.
Most autosigs were tagged with email addresses, quotes, or URLs.  Some, like
Knut, included their DOA chapter number.  Other people just signed names (or
not at all), and the other end of the spectrum were signatures larger than
the message itself, decorated with ASCII art and containing more personal
information than I find in most resumes.  (These were discouraged for
digest-readability purposes.)

On 1/22/96, "hansolo_at_dml_xis.com" asked about vanity license plates, and the
resulting thread had a few people signing off with their vanity plates, such
as "Michael Pack
BK2FUTR" on 2/1/96.  Two weeks later, "redrover_at_dml_cybernex.net" with no vanity
plate apparently felt left out and signed with both his VIN and his DOA
chapter.  But there are no further VIN signatures until June 1996 (and it's
Marv Sterling again).

There is about one instance per digest of VIN signatures in August 1996 from
3 or 4 different people.  As of two years ago (May 1998) it was much more
common, and one year ago, most all regular posters included the VIN.

I remember there being a discussion about the proper way to display your VIN
(4 vs. 5 digits, etc) but I got tired of sifting through the archives before
I found it.  Still, those archives are quite dandy!


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695
No Vanity Plate
No DOA Chapter
No ASCII Art
No kidding!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Stainless Steel Letters.
>
>
> I would just like to comment on the significance of signing with
> the VIN.  I suppose it was just one of those things that happened
> when the list was first generated by James Espey.  I joined the
> list in August of 1996 and at that time people were signing with
> their VIN...





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:16:13 EDT
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Gathering a crowd -Was: Deloreans to help Charities

In a message dated 5/31/00 9:32:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net writes:

<<  I don't know about other owners, but I run into alot of road rage while 
 driving. I've driven by Ferraris, and NSX's with no problem, but 
 whenever I run into either some middle aged guy in a Corvette, Viper, 
 or Camaro, or some young idiot in a Honda, Acura, or some other type 
 of "Rice Rocket", it never fails, they always want to cut me off! 
 Wheather I'm on the interstate, or going down the street they will 
 wait untill the last minute to swirve over in front of me, and I end 
 up slamming my brakes. All because none of them could stand to let a 
 DeLorean get ahead of them. >>


Robert,

It is the same here in NYC.  No different!  All the "Rice Rockets" or "rice 
burners" are usually the younger idiots with the attitudes and the ax to 
grind.  
They fail to understand, that our cars are 19 years old.  I remember 19 years 
ago, all the "Rice Rockets" were just able to keep up with a decent American 
car in their performance.  How many 19 year old "Rice Burners" out there, 
that are a collector's car, or with the performance on the level of the 
DeLorean car?  A "Datsun Z" from the 1970s?

As far as the middle age owners of Corvette, Viper or Camaro.  What are the 
price tags for these cars?  Nothing cheaper then $40,000 to start.  It is not 
worth the "bang for the bucks."  They got the money to "brag."  They have 
fail to understand that the man Mr. John Z. DeLorean introduced the Pontiac 
GTO in the mid 1960s.  His Pontiac GTO started the "American muscle car 
craze," a "trend" that they are still keeping up with -- speed and HP.  These 
owners are supporting the American automotive industry -- Buy American -- 
that is good for the US economy.  Anyway, like I said, when their cars 
besides themselves are 19 years older, lets see how these "people and the 
machine" will maintain the "arrogance and the brag" against the car in the 
future.  It will be a relationship with an "old" girl or boy friends, out of 
sight or out of mind and forgotten -- and not performing -- hehehehehehe.

Now, if Mr. John Z. DeLorean had the ability to continued or gotten back into 
the automotive industry, he had in mind to produce the DeLorean Starfire that 
he had engineered.  This car without question, could beat or equal the 
American cars, the Asian "Rice Rockets" or rice burners and the overpriced 
European cars in performance and/or the price tag.  Too bad it will not 
happen, or maybe it will???

BTW. To reply to another previous thread.  My DeLorean has over 68,000 miles. 
 I have put on 56,000 miles as a daily car in the four years that I have 
owned it.   I can always count on it.  There are no problems or failures from 
the DeLorean.  There is just the normal "wear and tear" from the daily usage 
which is always expected.  The NYC roads do induced "premature" failures or 
the demise to the chassis, the suspension and the wheels which can happen on 
any car. 

Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D NY



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 04:29:58 EDT
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Thanks (was silly antenna...)

well folks, thanks for your responses, i think the one i would want 
personally would be the one on the left quarter panel coming out of the 
"vent".  I am kinda sad though, i was hoping it had the antenna like modern 
cars, you know, imbedded in the glass.  We have a 95 volvo 940 wagon and it 
has the rear windshield mounted antenna , and the reception is GREAT, you can 
pick up stuff in the bottom floor of a parking garage (the underground part), 
whereas we also have a 93 volvo 740 sedan with a auto antenna on the rear 
left i think, and its reception is lousy.  Has anyone ever tried relocating 
it? can this be done? could you possibly put it somewhere areound the louvres 
or something?  dmc joe??



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 02:01:23 -0700
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Window Stuck

Hi Justin,

Try this, open the door and remove the front safety light.  Look inside the
opening and you'll see the window motor.  Take a large screwdriver or
whatever will reach the motor and place it against it.  Tap on the end of
the screwdriver a couple of times.  Now try the window again and see if it
will come up.  DMC Joe had me try this when my drivers window stuck and it
worked great.

Good luck

Mike Atkinson
vin16232



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From: <paraversal_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:59 PM
Subject: [DML] Window Stuck


> I have the window blues.
>
> My passenger side window is jammed in its position about halfway up and
> halfway down. I realize that these windows have about a 90% failure rate
and
> I plan to replace the window systems this summer at DMC when I move to
> Houston. But in the meantime I have a window that is stuck halfway down
and
> anything (or anybody) can get into my D.
>
> I just need to know a procedure to get the wondow up...not a permenant
fix.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Justin
> DeLorean Michigan
> VIN 5172
>
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:40:49 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!


On the air vents, you have to gently pry them out.  Make sure not to do it
too hard, as it is possible to crack them.  Then you have to pull the rubber
boots that connect them to the a/c blower wells out too.  If I remember
correctly about pulling mine out, there's a screw on the back that holds it
in place.  You have to remove that, and of course, the knobs and face plate.

The altenator; the name is ducillier.  And yes, you should replace it.  They
have a very, very, very high failure rate.  PJ Grady sells a high output
altenator that bolts right up to the DMC. And also, someone on the midstate
Delorea club is selling them too.  (www.midstatedmc.com) I think.

I'm not real sure about the dings.  I know the DeLorean shops take care of
them, but other than that, I'm not sure.  Hope this has helped!

Scott




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:12:45 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Houston Upgrades anyone??

Wasn't May the first month that DMC Houston was going to do the 
engine upgrades?  has anybody on the list signed up yet, or better 
yet, has anybody had the conversion done to their Delorean and would 
like to tell us how it is?

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:06:38 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean restoration project, need some tips!

 Re the non functioning radio...you might check the two in line fuses coming
from it (under trhe dash) before tearing into it.  Mine was an interesting
story....I bought it from the original owner (with 3K miles on it).  He said
the radio never worked from when he bought it new but, as he never used a
radio, he never got around to having it checked out.   When I had a service
outfit check it out, they found there were NO fuses at all in the lines and
apparently somehow it was something not checked at the factory.  Putting in
the proper fuses fixed it.  FWIW Dept.

Murray
Vin: 05962 Lic: 05962
Washington state




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:26:28 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: lowering

To anyone who is considering cutting their springs:

I have the springs I removed from my car which were cut when I purchased
it..

If you want cut springs, contact me I am looking to sell them... Dont
cut yours!

With that said, I was happy with the way the car looked with the
cut/swap springs.  I must admit that there was a bit too much bounce in
the back for my liking.  I have never driven a "stock" DeLorean, so I
cant make a comparison to that.



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:20:07 -0000
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>
Subject: Delorean Bankruptcy

Here is a story in yesterdays 5/31/00 Newsday (local New York Paper) 
about Delorean Bankruptcy and how most crediters will get 91 cents on 
the dollar. Hmm I wonder if I can get those up grades I just did 
covered that was warranty work wasn't it?



http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/business/wednesday/nd7718.htm

DeLorean Bankruptcy PayoutCreditors may get nearly all that's owed 
them

                     The Associated Press

                     Detroit - The DeLorean Motor Co., which
collapsed 
more than 17 years ago amid charges of money laundering, is about to 
end its bankruptcy proceedings, and its creditors may get almost      
all of what they are owed, the company's trustee said yesterday.      
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Ray Reynolds Graves is expected to close the 
case before the end of this week, trustee David W. Allard said.       
"The only complication we expect is the difficulty in locating 
creditors," Allard said. "Because it has been so many years, we 
haven't been able to locate all of the creditors. Some have died;     
many have closed." John Z. DeLorean launched his company after 
quitting as vice president in charge of North American car and truck 
operations for General Motors Corp. in 1973.He produced nearly 9,000 
of his self-named sports cars, notable for their gull-wing doors and  
unpainted stainless-steel skin that won a place in the "Back to the 
Future" films.The company filed for bankruptcy protection after 
DeLorean was arrested in 1982, accused in a sting of conspiring to 
sell $24 million of cocaine to salvage his venture. DeLorean used an  
entrapment defense to win acquittal.Attorneys originally estimated
its 
creditors would receive less than 5 cents on the dollar. But because 
of lawsuit recoveries, creditors may be able to collect up to their 
full due, Allard said."Hundreds of lawsuit recoveries over the years
 
created a sizable estate for distribution," he said.The key to ending 
the proceedings was a 1999 settlement that ended a lawsuit against 
Arthur Andersen & Co. first filed in 1985.DeLorean's creditors
alleged 
the accounting firm signed off on the company's financial statements 
despite potential evidence of fraud. In 1998, a New York jury ordered 
Arthur Andersen to pay $46.2 million. The firm appealed but agreed in 
May, 1999, to settle the lawsuit for $27.75 million.DeLorean owed 
about $85 million to 266 creditors when litigation began. The 
company's trustee made an interim distribution of 9 percent on the 
dollar to all creditors in 1990.Now, Allard has now started paying
off 
creditors - raising the payout to roughly 91 percent of their
original 
claim. "That's almost unheard of in" Chapter 7 liquidations, Allard 
said.Legal notices will be published, and missing creditors will have 
six months to come forward before the remaining money will be
prorated 
among the other creditors, Allard said. Several creditors started 
receiving checks last week.The DeLorean case took so long because the 
British government was suing Arthur Andersen at the same time as the 
U.S. case.The government had wooed DeLorean to Northern Ireland in 
1976, impressed by plans to create a 2,000-worker plant. But the
plant 
closed in 1982, and a year later, the government concluded it had 
spent $130 million to help the venture."Because of the British 
involvement in the other case, Margaret Thatcher's deposition was     
taken and they had to debate discovery issues in Parliament," Allard 
said. "That slowed both cases down to a crawl." John DeLorean
declared 
bankruptcy in September, 1999, after wrestling with 40 other legal 
cases after his criminal trial. Among his more than $18.5 million     
in debts were $4.7 million in legal fees - $8 million with interest - 
owed to lawyer Mayer Morganroth of Southfield.In March, DeLorean was 
evicted from his 434-acre estate in New Jersey after a court-ordered  
bankruptcy auction to help pay his creditors. The last residence he 
reported to his trustee is a New Jersey hotel, Morganroth said 
yesterday.Charles Stanziale, DeLorean's personal bankruptcy lawyer in 
New Jersey, was out of the country and could not be reached for 
comment.Morganroth, who represented DeLorean in portions of his 
company's bankruptcy proceedings,said it was interesting to see its 
creditors get so much of what they were owed. "They got a substantial 
amount of money from Arthur Andersen  so they took in a lot of  
    
dollars," Morganroth said. They "did a really bang-up job. They went 
all out and went after everyone they could to get everything they 
could." The Product Recalls report will return next week.





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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:39:56 -0500
From: dongowler <dongowler_at_dml_mediaone.net>
Subject: FOG MACHINES


Brian wrote;

I have been asked to allow my DMC to be used as the centerpiece at a
convention.  -- the contact man called me today and asked if
they could use a fog machine near the car.  He says it's the kind that
uses
chemicals and not dry ice to make the fog.  They want the doors to be
open
all evening.  My question to the group is his: do I let them use the fog

machine or do I tell them no way?  Does anyone know if these kinds of
fog machines produce anything that might be harmful to the DeLorean's
interior or exterior?

I had my 82 presented in a convention several years ago and
they used a fog machine near the car to enhance it's entry to the
crowd.  All went spectacularly well and I have never noticed any effect
from the fog.  Go for it man!  Be sure to video it as well.

The Silver Fox
Vin #'s  01149 & 10788





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