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Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 7:22 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 78

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Carpet Color
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

2. Re: Re: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

4. Re: Dealers. No, not THAT kind........
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

6. SUBJECT LINES !!!!!! A RANT !
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody_at_dml_kih.net>

7. Re: Dealers. No, not THAT kind........
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

8. Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Re:UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL
From: burkephoto_at_dml_aol.com

10. UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

11. Stainless Steel Illusion
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

12. Re: Re:UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>

13. Re: Carpet Color
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

14. Re: JZD on Real T.V.
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

15. Fuel Vent on Gas Tank!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Carpet Color
From: "yugoman" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>

17. Updated Service manual Poll
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

18. Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
From: SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com

19. hail damage
From: "dmc1982" <dmc1982_at_dml_email.msn.com>

20. Vin#001&2914 BRICKLINS
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

22. Re: JZD on Real T.V.
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

23. RE: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

24. Website coverage of the Cleveland Car Show
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

25. RE: JZD and Larry Flint
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:23:55 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Carpet Color

He list, I was wondering about the carpet color in the black interior
D's.  I have an '83 with black leather seat covers, black console.
dash etc.  But 
my carpet is grey.  Is it this way on all D's, just the '83's or just
some D's?  Any help would be appreciated.

John
#16822





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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:38:26 GMT
From: "Empress Ballroom" <empressballroom_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?

I always looked specifically for the carwash with brushes instead of chamois 
or brushless. It always seemed that the brushes followed the grain of the 
stainless and it always looked great.

-empress


>From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
>Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:04:48 -0000
>
>I've never had a problem when running the D through a brushless car
>wash. Although I haven't run it through the type that does use
>brushes, I can tell you that they consistantly miss alot more of the
>dirt, particuarly the back of the car/truck. It requires a bit more
>work, but I usually like to wash the D with the high pressure washer
>& the bubble brush. That way you can get more of your car cleaned
>like the rocker panels, engine cover, etc... Plus I think it adds a
>nicer shine than just the automatic. Before you wash your car, make
>sure that there are no leaves or anything else that can either block
>or slow drainage from the heater/AC intake below the windshield. Mine
>was full of leaves & dirt, so the water filled up and then spilled
>over into the blower moter. Needless to say I had a huge waterfall of
>soapy water pouring into my car, and since I was in the automatic
>carwash I couldn't stop it! To check if it's clogged, use a garden
>hose or a bucket, and pour water into the chamber. Look in the
>chamber to see if water fills up to the top. If not, then everythings
>alright. If so, then you'll need to remove the access panel to the
>gas tank in the trunk. Above the gas tank, behind the fuel pump
>cover, is where you'll find the drain hole. Hooking a wet/dry shop
>vac up to the drain while the chamber has water in it is a good way
>to flush it out. If you have a large obstruction (such as grape,
>maple leaves, even twigs), you may need to remove to remove the grate
>below the windshield covering everything for better access. None of
>this is pictured in the Workshop manual, and even though this can
>cause water to enter to cabin, it isn't mentioned anywhere in the
>service bulletin dealing with water leaks. Although this is more
>likely to happen to cars that sat outside, it never hurts to check if
>you have a car thats about to see water but has never been in it
>before.
>
>-Robert
>vin 6585
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, heskin_at_dml_b... wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >   Not to incite a huge debate, but I'm looking for any MAJOR cons
>to
> > taking my Delorean thru the standard auto car wash.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> > -Hank Eskin #1619
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:13:40 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?

So how about this:

Lets each agree to each take a small part of the manual, transcribe 
the text as a Word file (or whatever) and scan the corresponding 
images. There are over a thousand of us, right? Even if only half of 
us sign up, it would be a relatively trivial amount of work for any 
one individual.

I propose that we:

(a) first recreate the existing manual as-is in machine-readable form.

(b) appoint an editor (or editors) from among the experts on the list 
and begin an ongoing project to correct and augment the manual, with 
the experts exerting editorial control.

(c) put the resulting machine-readable documents in the public domain 
(i.e., free for all). If somebody wants to try to make money by 
producing nice printed copies, CD ROMs, or hypertexts, great. But 
anybody could download the source files from the DML site for free.

All this would require a bit of organization, but it really doesn't 
sound like that much work, given the aggregate resources available on 
the list.

So what do you all say?

--Pete Lucas
   VIN #06703
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dealers. No, not THAT kind........


 When I bought my car the original owner just happened to leave a copy in the trunk...(nice of him huh?)  Before I ever knew anything about the value of the book I poured over it the first week that I owned the car, and it is a VERY interesting book about the car with alot of facts.  I think it is totally worth the money...

C

VIN 16367


 
Matt Clark wrote: 

Hi group.

According to the 'Live The Dream' posters, there were 345 DeLo 
dealers. 

Has anyone got a photo of a dealership with a DMC on display? 
The reason I ask is becuase it's part of the website that I'm trying 
to make.

So if anyone has any dealership photos, mailing them to me 
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Whats the general impression of Stainless Steel Illusion?

I would like the book, but is it worth the 100+ that I've seen
for 
it?

Thanks,

Matt




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:03:36 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?

Hey List,

     I have been thinking about the same thing for a while now.  I work at a 
lawnmower repair shop, and all day long I look up parts for co-workers, 
customers and I order parts.  So, looking up schematics is all I do all day 
long.  There is a program that ARI Network Services makes which is called 
PartSmart that is exactly what the DMC Dealers need to look up parts and 
manage their inventory.  I have been thinking about asking some 
representatives that I know at ARI, to see how much it would be for them to 
make a program like that for DMC.  PartSmart is a program that many of the 
lawn equipment companies use instead of distributing workshop books and 
microfishe, because it is a lot easier.  If you want to know more about 
PartSmart, go to their web page (www.arinet.com)  then click on "Products"  
at the top of the screen  then on the new screen click on "PartSmart" on the 
top left.  If there is a lot of interest in this, next time I talk to ARI, I 
will ask about it and let everyone on the list know what they tell me.  Let 
me know.

Later,
Nick
VIN#1852



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:13:39 -0400
From: "Brandon" <bsmoody_at_dml_kih.net>
Subject: SUBJECT LINES !!!!!! A RANT !

PLEASE PEOPLE,  Correct your subject lines when sending
messages to the DML.  Example:
This subject line (Re: [DML] Re: that great smell o' gasoline.)
had this as the message Text:
(Could someone please send me the link to Lee's message board for the
limited
edition.)

When I receive my batch of messages,  I normally read the subject and
either read the message or instantly hit Delete.  If needing the
Limited Edition message board URL,  I might have that in my favorites
list and could help,  but I don't really care to read about someone
with a Gas smell. So, I would just hit delete and the question goes
unanswered.  Plus,  It makes a mess of the archives.  This is not
a personal attack on the above example because it happens all the time.
So, please just try to take notice before sending.
Ok, I'm done complaining now.  Back to work on my car, 2 weeks till
Cleveland !

-Brandon





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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:21:54 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Dealers. No, not THAT kind........

Matt,

Ref. Stainless Steel Illusion...if you can buy a good copy with dust jacket
for 100 ..buy it, one sold at the NEC show a few weeks ago for 110..the
only other one I've seen for sale was on at 160. I think the book is
great..it is the highlight of my collection. I have got my name down with
most specialist old book dealers in the UK for any copies they might
get...but no more have shown up yet. What price do they make in the USA?

Chris P DOC UK  vins 5638,12176.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Clark" <diashi_c_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 5:53 PM
Subject: [DML] Dealers. No, not THAT kind........


Hi group.

According to the 'Live The Dream' posters, there were 345 DeLo
dealers.

Has anyone got a photo of a dealership with a DMC on display?
The reason I ask is becuase it's part of the website that I'm trying
to make.

So if anyone has any dealership photos, mailing them to me
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Whats the general impression of Stainless Steel Illusion?

I would like the book, but is it worth the 100+ that I've seen
for
it?

Thanks,

Matt




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:31:23 -0000
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2

We continue to have problems with our '83 DMC. We have gone through 
the entire injection system, cleaning the fuel tank, replacing the 
fuel pump, filter, accumulator, and injector rubber seals. We have 
also replaced the oxygen sensor. Originally the distributor plunger 
was jammed but we freed this using injector cleaner and compressed 
air. All the injectors are spraying with a normal spray pattern. We 
have checked the fuel pressure, control pressure, and rest pressure, 
and all are normal. The car will not idle happily and hunts. The 
contol pressure regulator is clean and the frequency valve buzzes 
during warm up. The compression is consistent in all 6 cylinders 
within 10 psi. We have tried adjusting the mixture but it will only 
run rich and the gas consumption is very poor {about 18mpg on 
highway}. We have changed the plugs and set the timing to 13 degrees 
BTDC as specified. The engine revs up fine and smoothly when the car 
is stationary. Under load, it accelerates in spurts and then 
hesitates. When decelerating it jerks and hunts. We cannot detect any 
vacuum leaks.Can you give us any suggestions?
	Thanks, 
			John 16727




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:06:30 EDT
From: burkephoto_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL

In a message dated 6/4/00 8:56:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com writes:

<< Subject: Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?
 
 On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Joe Sorrentino wrote:
 
 > In our case I don't think an on line site as such would be
 > economically feasible (then again never underestimate the power of
 > DeLorean owners), but
 
 I think it could be done.  In fact, it could even be distributed over the
 Internet!  The online parts manual works in exactly this way and I see no
 reason why the service manual couldn't be handled this way as well.
 
 The trouble, of course, is transcribing the updated service manual into a
 PDF file.  Whoever constructed the online parts manual could probably do
 the same thing with the service manual assuming they have the time.
 
 
  >>

Perhaps if the DML subscribers contributed a nominal amount, say $5 toward 
the PDF compiling, an individual or individuals would find the endeavor more 
compelling.  If the list has about 1,000 members times $5 each, the effort 
might be attractive.  The $5 could even be credited toward the purchase of 
the completed manual.

Burke  



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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:35:12 -0600
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL

<SNIP>
 The trouble, of course, is transcribing the updated service manual into a
 PDF file.  Whoever constructed the online parts manual could probably do
 the same thing with the service manual assuming they have the time.
<SNIP>

Actually converting from Word to PDF isn't all that bad of a Process.  All
that is needed is a copy of Adobe Acrobat (not reader).  I own a copy and
would be more than happy to help out with creating the PDF files.

Michael Babb




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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:39:50 -0600
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Stainless Steel Illusion

The cost is about the same over here . . .with the cost running $200+ for a
copy in good condition (124+)

Michael Babb

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Parnham [mailto:chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:22 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Dealers. No, not THAT kind........

Ref. Stainless Steel Illusion...if you can buy a good copy with dust jacket
for 100 ..buy it, one sold at the NEC show a few weeks ago for 110..the
only other one I've seen for sale was on at 160. I think the book is
great..it is the highlight of my collection. I have got my name down with
most specialist old book dealers in the UK for any copies they might
get...but no more have shown up yet. What price do they make in the USA?

Chris P DOC UK  vins 5638,12176.






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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Re:UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL

Great Idea, count me in.
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:06:30 EDT, dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com wrote:

>  In a message dated 6/4/00 8:56:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com writes:
>  
>  << Subject: Re: Re: Updated Service Manuals coming?
>   
>   On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Joe Sorrentino wrote:
>   
>   > In our case I don't think an on line site as such would be
>   > economically feasible (then again never underestimate the power of
>   > DeLorean owners), but
>   
>   I think it could be done.  In fact, it could even be distributed over
the
>   Internet!  The online parts manual works in exactly this way and I see
no
>   reason why the service manual couldn't be handled this way as well.
>   
>   The trouble, of course, is transcribing the updated service manual into
a
>   PDF file.  Whoever constructed the online parts manual could probably do
>   the same thing with the service manual assuming they have the time.
>   
>   
>    >>
>  
>  Perhaps if the DML subscribers contributed a nominal amount, say $5
toward 
>  the PDF compiling, an individual or individuals would find the endeavor
more 
>  compelling.  If the list has about 1,000 members times $5 each, the
effort 
>  might be attractive.  The $5 could even be credited toward the purchase
of 
>  the completed manual.
>  
>  Burke  
>  
>  
>  
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>  www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>  
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>  


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:56:41 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Carpet Color

Just the 83's had the dual color. These were the ones assembled after DMC
went into bankruptcy. I've heard that it was due to not having enough
pieces all in one color, so they came up with the dual color interior.


Mark N
VIN 6820

At 03:23 AM 6/4/00 -0000, you wrote:
>He list, I was wondering about the carpet color in the black interior
>D's.  I have an '83 with black leather seat covers, black console.
>dash etc.  But 
>my carpet is grey.  Is it this way on all D's, just the '83's or just
>some D's?  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>John
>#16822



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:01:52 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Re: JZD on Real T.V.

Larry Flynt HELPING John DeLorean clear his name?!?  I don't think so!  That
dumb-ass jerk is the guy who leaked the drug bust video to the media, helping to
DESTROY John DeLorean, or at least his image!  Being from Cincinnati, I imagine
some people might think I'm a little biased...Sorry, but the only thing that guy
wants to do is stir up trouble to get his name in the news again.  IMO He's not
worth the smelly space he takes up!
        Josh
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964


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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:00:31 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fuel Vent on Gas Tank!


I've followed the recent discussion here on the DML, regarding fuel smell 
inside the car.

Right now, on Ebay, there is a fuel tank for sale. In the description it 
says, and I quote:

"Don't buy a new one because it will not have a fuel vent in it and your car 
will smell like gas."

Now, my question is this: Is there any difference in the DMC fuel tanks?

Does some fueltanks have a vent and some not? From what VIN did the change 
come? If the above statement is true, then I would guess that low VINs have 
the tanks with no fuel vent and higher VINs have the tanks with the vent. 
Based on the DMCs improvements during production.

Also, what Im curious about is that the statement seems to suggest that all 
NOS fuel tanks from the DMC suppliers are of the type that has no vents??? 
Can someone clarify this?

James or DMC Joe?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:03:19 -0400
From: "yugoman" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Carpet Color

My 81 #2423 has black seats and dash, but the carpet is also more
grey-looking than black.
Also my headliners are definitely grey, but I know a previous owner had them
replaced. Were the headliners grey even on the back-interior cars?
----- Original Message -----
From: <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:23 PM
Subject: [DML] Carpet Color


> He list, I was wondering about the carpet color in the black interior
> D's.  I have an '83 with black leather seat covers, black console.
> dash etc.  But
> my carpet is grey.  Is it this way on all D's, just the '83's or just
> some D's?  Any help would be appreciated.
>
> John
> #16822
>
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:33:45 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Updated Service manual Poll

EVERYONE!!!  Please vote!!  We need to see what the demand for this 
thing would be.  Thanks

http://www.egroups.com/surveys/dmcnews?id=199382

Erik Geerdink
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:33:40 EDT
From: SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?

Ok, I have a few questions about the automatic car washes.  I have been debating on putting my car thru one of the washes because I am too lazy to wash my car every week.
1) If it IS a 'TOUCHLESS' car wash, the car should come out AOK, right?
2) What about wax?  Should we decline that offer?  If the car gets waxed, then what?
3) And just what would happen if the car was washed and you didn't go 'with' the grain?  What happens?

Just curious.
If someone knows, let me know.  My car is in dire need of some Mr. Bubble...




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:28:17 -0400
From: "dmc1982" <dmc1982_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: hail damage



 My DeLorean recently suffered modrate (10-15 dents) hail damage in a storm here in South Carolina. I was in St. Louis or I would have sacrificed my body! My wife's Acura is a lot worse parked right next to it.

Has anyone had theirs repaired with similar damage?
Any luck with the paintless dent repair people?

Anything/one I should avoid?

See  everyone in Cleveland, just overlook the dents!

Cecil Longwisch
#10663


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:31:20 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Vin#001&2914 BRICKLINS

Hello List,
    I met a guy on Ebay that owned a DMC last year by accident, then I 
foundout he lives about 15 minutes away.  He came over in his DMC-12 to pick 
up the item he won, last fall .  He said I would have to come down and see 
his other vehicles.  well, I finally got the chance today.
    I walked in and he had the first and last Bricklin sports cars ever made 
up on hoiste in "carcoons".  Both have extremely low miles and are 100% 
original.  I must say that these cars are very unique.  He had everything 
bricklin ever made.  dealer signs and hundreds of pounds of 
literature,brochures and magazines.  He has all the original sketches and 
even paintings painted by the designer.   He even had a brick from the 
bricklin factory signed by Malcom bricklin.  I took pictures but I dont know 
if they will turn out well becuase the cars were in the carcoons.  He said he 
will sell them if he gets a good offer.  I beleive he bought them from a 
museum.  I think a bricklin is going to be on my "future" car list.  he said 
they do have more problems than a DeLorean but if you buy a 76 they operate 
much better than the 74's.  do any of you on the list own bricklins?
    His DeLorean was probably one of the nicest examples out there.  It had 
only 4,200 miles, black interior, dealer side stripe and a perfect body.  I 
beleive the vin# was 2348 but not for sure.  I took many pictures of it and 
will post them in the vault when they get developed.  The De Lorean is also 
put on a hoiste when not in use to preserve the original tires.  I think I 
talked him into going to Cleveland!  That surely made my day, seeing all of 
these rare automobiles in one garage.
    Other cars in his collection included Yellow,purple,red,& black 
prowlers(4),2 pt cruisers, SLK compressor,VW beetle, 99 VIPER(just sold),2000 
Corvette,87 Fiero with only 30 miles, morgan 3 wheeler and about 30 
motorcycles.

just wanted to let you know the first and last bricklins are together and 
treated well:)

David Phelps,
#2496



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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:46:08 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: Re: UPDATED SERVICE MANUAL

I belong to a motorhome club for a now obsolete motorhome, and about 15
years ago one of the members took it upon himself to make a new updated
service manual that covered all the mods as well as regular items....He
wrote manuals for aircraft for the military for a living so was well
experienced at it.   It was probably 2  inches  and in loose leaf form.   He
did in  alone with the help of his wife and I think probably all 500 members
of the club purchased one at $50.00 each.   It is THE Bible of that
particular motorhome and although he is gone now, it is still very much in
demand.

This was a long time ago and nowadays the ONLY way to go would be on a CD I
would think.
FWIW Dept.

Murray
Vin: 05962  DMC: XII
Washington State






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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:46:59 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: JZD on Real T.V.

This is a touchy subject, so I'll try to keep everything unbiased...

I don't think that Larry Flynt either helped or hurt John DeLorean 
either way. JZD's lawyers did object to the tape being released for 
reasons of keeping prospective jurors unbiased as they feared the 
tape might hurt their defense. I can understand where they were 
comming from because the tape did pose a huge threat.

On the flip side, once people saw the tape they acctually sympathised 
with JZD. Quoted in many books, a laid off factory worker in NY 
stated some thing to the effect that, 'he (the caller) wished that 
his boss would have risked selling coke to save his job.'

All things considered, I don't think that Dan Rather playing the FBI 
tape on the CBS Evening News had any affect on the DeLorean trial one 
way or the other. The defense presented their case and won. The truth 
is what gave John DeLorean his victory, not an "entrapment strategy" 
as reports always print. That itself ensues that he's guilty, which 
is wrong.

In closing, like him, hate him, or just plane dont't care. Larry 
Flynt s thecnicly a part of the DeLorean story. But I don't think he 
really had the impact that alot of people implicate. IMHO Maur Dubin 
played a more significant role than he did.

-Robert
vin 6585

p.s. for everyone that ever wondered, Larry Flynt recieved the tape 
from John DeLorean's first set of attorneys. The were specialized in 
reality, not criminal law. $300K later, JZD let them go and retained 
Weitzman. Flynt purchased the tape for $5K from the office manager of 
the first law firm, Huffsteder, Miller, Carlson, and Beardsley. And 
then decided not to pay him. <"De Lorean" page 245> It was not the 
Samurai undergoing accupuncture treatment in China for a groin injury 
as Flynt stated. But everyone hear has probably guess that by now. :)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Larry Flynt HELPING John DeLorean clear his name?!?  I don't think 
so!  That
> dumb-ass jerk is the guy who leaked the drug bust video to the 
media, helping to
> DESTROY John DeLorean, or at least his image!  Being from 
Cincinnati, I imagine
> some people might think I'm a little biased...Sorry, but the only 
thing that guy
> wants to do is stir up trouble to get his name in the news again.  
IMO He's not
> worth the smelly space he takes up!
>         Josh
>         VIN 5102
>         VIN 15964
> 
> 
> Edward Raffenetti wrote:
> 
> something about Larry Flint helping JZD clear his name, and a brief




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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:47:46 -0600
From: "Michael C.Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?

IMO the touchless car washes are fine for the D.  With the high pressure of
the water, they are also very good at discovering leaks.  :)

The wax hasn't been too much of a problem with my car, unless the car is
overly dirty (Especially with greasy hand prints).  The wax can then make
the prints a little harder to get out.

If you go through a wash where the brushes move against the grain, you run
the risk of putting scratches in the car. . . you are basically re-graining
the stainless steel in a different direction.   If you want to stay
completely safe, find a good ole' self service car wash.

Michael Babb

-----Original Message-----
From: SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:34 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?


Ok, I have a few questions about the automatic car washes.  I have been
debating on putting my car thru one of the washes because I am too lazy to
wash my car every week.
1) If it IS a 'TOUCHLESS' car wash, the car should come out AOK, right?
2) What about wax?  Should we decline that offer?  If the car gets waxed,
then what?
3) And just what would happen if the car was washed and you didn't go 'with'
the grain?  What happens?

Just curious.
If someone knows, let me know.  My car is in dire need of some Mr. Bubble...




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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:57:39 -0600
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Website coverage of the Cleveland Car Show

First off, thanks to everyone that voted in the poll considering my planned
coverage of the Cleveland Car Show.  I am happy to say that everyone (who
voted) was in favor of the idea, so it is definitely still a go!

-=<Special Thanks to Dave Stragand!!!!!>=-

With help from Dave, his camcorder, and his digital wizardry, we will
hopefully have some streaming video that will be available as well on the
website. . . I am especially looking forward to the possibility of getting
some JZD footage from the show.

Be sure to visit Dave's website and see his remarkable progress on Vixen
(she should also be at the show) at www.projectvixen.com

Updates from Cleveland will be available at www.babbtechnology.com/delorean

Thanks!

Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA
Babb Technology
michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com
303.669.7811




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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:55:43 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: JZD and Larry Flint

I think the damage to JZD's image was done upon his arrest.  The worst
damage that the video did was to delay the trial, since it supported JZD's
assertion that the arrest amounted to entrapment, at least in the public
eye.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Haldeman [mailto:haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:02 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] JZD on Real T.V.
>
>
> Larry Flynt HELPING John DeLorean clear his name?!?  I don't
> think so!  That
> dumb-ass jerk is the guy who leaked the drug bust video to the
> media, helping to
> DESTROY John DeLorean, or at least his image!  Being from
> Cincinnati, I imagine
> some people might think I'm a little biased...Sorry, but the only
> thing that guy
> wants to do is stir up trouble to get his name in the news again.
>  IMO He's not
> worth the smelly space he takes up!
>         Josh
>         VIN 5102
>         VIN 15964
>
>
> Edward Raffenetti wrote:
>
> something about Larry Flint helping JZD clear his name, and a brief
>
>
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>




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