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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 79

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Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
From: "Gus Schlachter" <>

2. Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2
From: David Sontos <>

3. Re: cooling fans
From: "Lynn Metz" <>

4. Wheel refinishing/Deep stainless cleaning
From: "Luke Sandel" <>

5. Re: JZD and Larry Flint
From: Josh Haldeman <>

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:09:22 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <>
Subject: RE: Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?

The main objection that most auto enthusiasts have to automatic car washes
is that they are there to make your car CLEAN, not to protect it's surface.
The chemicals tend to be very strong and remove wax in addition to dirt.
The machines that use brushes, etc., further damage the paint through small
scratches that dull the finish.  Then they finish with a "wax" that isn't
very effective since wax in a water base really won't stick.

With a DMC-12, these things really aren't a problem, except for maybe with
the fascias.  The biggest problem I'd see is the spinning brushes breaking
off antennas, cracking louvers, etc.  There's high pressure water (sometimes
followed by high-pressure air for drying) that will find any loose part and
send it flying, in addition to conveniently finding any hidden leaks in your
door seals.

Ideally, you want the grain in the stainless to be front-back for the best
finish, but I think you'd have to go through a hundred such car washes to
have a deleterious effect.  Skip the wax treatment, since nothing will
effectively stick to SS and at best you'll end up with ugly streaks.

Refinish the entire car about once a year with a Scotch-Brite pad and you
should be OK.

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:34 PM
> To:
> Subject: [DML] Automatic car washes? Pros/Cons?
> Ok, I have a few questions about the automatic car washes.  I
> have been debating on putting my car thru one of the washes
> because I am too lazy to wash my car every week.
> 1) If it IS a 'TOUCHLESS' car wash, the car should come out AOK, right?
> 2) What about wax?  Should we decline that offer?  If the car
> gets waxed, then what?
> 3) And just what would happen if the car was washed and you
> didn't go 'with' the grain?  What happens?
> Just curious.
> If someone knows, let me know.  My car is in dire need of some
> Mr. Bubble...
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:31:43 -0400
From: David Sontos <>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2

Hi Chris,
When you say you adjusted the mixture I am assuming you are refering to
the CO idle mixture screw located under a sealed plug between the air
horn and the fuel distributer and not the three brass plugs in the intake
manifold. And after you make the adjustments you reseal the hole again
otherwise you leave a big vacuum leak there. You should be able to lean
out the idle mixture without killing the engine. The adjustment screw is
attached to the paddle lever inside the manifold. When you place the
allen wrench into the screw you should see the wrench move up and down
when you apply pressure to the paddle.

I have a procedure for using a dwell meter to adjust your CO mixture at

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573

Chris C wrote:

> We have tried adjusting the mixture but it will only
> run rich and the gas consumption is very poor {about 18mpg on
> highway}.
>         Thanks,
>                         John 16727


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:19:52 PDT
From: "Lynn Metz" <>
Subject: Re: cooling fans

Fan problem is fixed.  I was testing voltages again per your advice and 
looking into some suggestions by Darren Decker when I discovered the 
problem.  The terminal block (for lack of the proper term) that the 
brown/orange power wire runs to after the relay and before the fuses (wiring 
upgrade) had some really bad connections (melted connectors).  Upon fixing 
this, I was back in business.  Thanks for the help.
>The problem is probably at the fan fail module socket, fan relay socket, or
>the circuit breaker. With the cool fan switch (otterstadt) jumped, check 
>see if you have 12 volts at the heavy brown/orange wire leading the  blue
>Let me know the result.
>Here are the answers to your other questions. The cooling fans receive
>ground through the wiring harness.
>The fan rotation is such that air moves from the front of the car to the
>12V cooling fan power is supplied through two separate feed wires which are
>part of the front wiring harness. We have no record of any type of failure
>with this wire.

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 00:50:27 -0000
From: "Luke Sandel" <>
Subject: Wheel refinishing/Deep stainless cleaning

Hello all,

I'm getting the materials around for repainting the faschias, and 
wanted to have the wheels repainted as well.  Does anybody have 
appropriate color codes for the later style wheels (82)?  A buddy of 
mine owns a body shop, and he said that he'll blast and repaint for
$35 a rim... can't pass that up.

With only 9000 miles, you would think that the rims would be in 
pristine condition, but there is some odd paint blotchyness on a few
of them.  Seems to be factory original.

Also, the garage that I keep my car in is below an apartment that has 
an occassional water leak.  The garage also has a dryer vent in it.  
The water leak, combined with lint from the dryer vent has left very 
deep, very awful water spots on the hood.  Any recommendations for a 
good STRONG chemical cleaner?  (besides gasoline, but I'm not above 
using horribly caustic chemicals :)  Tried repeated washings, windex, 
stainless polish... the spots just laugh it off and come right back.

On a side note, while showing my car to some people the other day,
one mentioned that he cleans large stainless tanks at his workplace.  
He swears by baby oil applied by cheesecloth; says that it keeps them 
extremely shiny, and keeps fingerprints away.  Anybody ever tried



Message: 5
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:25:38 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <>
Subject: Re: JZD and Larry Flint

Okay,  perhaps I was so enraged upon hearing Flynt's name again that I didn't
make myself as clear as I should have in my original post.
    First of all, I am an Industrial Designer.  In this profession I learned,
in detail, the value of images,  ie: an image is worth 1000 words and
everything along those lines.
    Flynt's releasing of the tape to the media allowed them to present a very
dramatic and stirring sequence of images to the public.  You might notice how
most of the people you talk to about JZD seem to think that he is still in
jail.  This is partly because there were no dramatic images of him being
acquitted.  People only seem to remember the bust, and that he was arrested.
This is no coincidence!
    Again, In my opinion, if Larry Flynt hadn't released that tape to CBS,
people (in general) may have never viewed that scene in the hotel and quickly
forgotten about JZD's trouble with the law.  This might have, in turn, made it
easier for DeLorean to get his company rolling again, but we'll never know
          VIN 5102
          VIN 15964

Gus Schlachter wrote:

> I think the damage to JZD's image was done upon his arrest.  The worst
> damage that the video did was to delay the trial, since it supported JZD's
> assertion that the arrest amounted to entrapment, at least in the public
> eye.
> Gus Schlachter
> Austin, TX
> VIN# 4695
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josh Haldeman []
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:02 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [DML] JZD on Real T.V.
> >
> >
> > Larry Flynt HELPING John DeLorean clear his name?!?  I don't
> > think so!  That
> > dumb-ass jerk is the guy who leaked the drug bust video to the
> > media, helping to
> > DESTROY John DeLorean, or at least his image!  Being from
> > Cincinnati, I imagine
> > some people might think I'm a little biased...Sorry, but the only
> > thing that guy
> > wants to do is stir up trouble to get his name in the news again.
> >  IMO He's not
> > worth the smelly space he takes up!
> >         Josh
> >         VIN 5102
> >         VIN 15964
> >
> >
> > Edward Raffenetti wrote:
> >
> > something about Larry Flint helping JZD clear his name, and a brief
> >
> >
> >
> >
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