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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. DeLorean Movie/Documentary Update - FREE SHIPPING
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>

2. Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2
From: j.p._rooyens_at_dml_heineken.nl

3. Re: Carpet Color
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

4. Warm start prob. - Not accumulator
From: beecher_at_dml_colorado.edu

5. Re: A/T shifting problems
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. RE: Fuel Vent on Gas Tank!
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

7. Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. DeLorean for sale . . .
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom_at_dml_mitchellco.com>

9. Re: JZD in not in jail
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

10. Re: hail damage
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Part needed - no longer made..
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

12. Larry Flynt and DMC
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

13. JZD in Cleveland?
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>

14. Thanks for your input!
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

15. Re: JZD in Cleveland?
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

16. RE: Vin#001&2914 BRICKLINS
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>

17. Re: Warm start prob. - Not accumulator
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Re: JZD in Cleveland?
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>

19. rocker panel plug
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:52:17 -0500
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>
Subject: DeLorean Movie/Documentary Update - FREE SHIPPING

First, I wanted to thank everyone who posted and sent the wonderful comments
about the DeLorean movie I've been selling.  The kind words really meant a
lot, especially with the amount of work that went into licensing the movie
(and the work that's still going on with the producers of the film).

Second, I've received several emails from people asking me to put aside a
movie, so they can buy them at the DeLorean Car Show in Cleveland (to avoid
shipping costs).  I really don't want to lug a ton of movies to Cleveland,
and I'd like everyone who wants a tape the ability to have it as soon as
possible.  So, I'd like to offer anyone who is still interested in
purchasing the movie free shipping from now until June 15th.  That's free
priority mail shipping with delivery confirmation anywhere in the United
States, so it's a pretty good deal, and it will save me a bunch of work next
week.  I'll also ship airmail anywhere in Europe for a flat $5.50 until the
start of the convention.

The movie is really incredible, and worth being part of your DeLorean
collection.  For more information about ordering the rare film, please visit
our order page at:

http://www.deloreanmovie.com/order.html

Ignore the shipping costs and make a reference to Ken Koncelik's DeLorean
Car Show for the shipping discount.  Thanks, and see you in Cleveland!!

-Daniel McGauley








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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:03:47 +0100
From: j.p._rooyens_at_dml_heineken.nl
Subject: Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2



Hi Chris,

You write "the frequency valve buzzes during warm up". In my understanding it
should buzz all the time. During warm up it is not possible to control the
mixture because the oxigen sensor only works correct at operatating temperature.
So, when the engine is still cold, the ECU provides the frequency valve with a
valve at witch this valve opens about 60% of the time. After warming up the ECU
goes over to control status and the frequency valve should be open about 45 to
55 % of the time.

Because you already replaced the oxigen sensor and because you can hear the
frequency valve during warm-up, I expect the problem to be in the ECU. Try to
find another D and swap the ECU models. See if the problem is now on the other D
and your is working fine.

Good luck,

Jeannot Rooyens

Rear mounted 6 cylinder engine with Bosch K-jetronic without lambda sensor (911)



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 07:22:33 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: Carpet Color

> Mark Noeltner wrote:
> 
> Just the 83's had the dual color. These were the ones assembled after DMC
> went into bankruptcy. I've heard that it was due to not having enough
> pieces all in one color, so they came up with the dual color interior.

All "1983" models were built in 1982.  DMC Ltd. was placed in receivership in 
February of 1982.  The factory was shut down by the British government in 
May of 1982.  DMC filed for bankruptcy on October 25, 1982.  Cars continued to
be assembled from June of 1982 until the last one was assembled on December 24,
1982 (Chassis #DD002014).  Presumably all of the 1982's that were assembled
after May 31, 1982 were designated "1983" and none of those was assembled by
by the factory assembly workers.  So it is very likely that many cars assembled
after May 31, 1982 could have had "two tone" interiors for the very reason Mark
has pointed out.

Ed Thompson 
#6419 since 1982 (still for sale)
Tag: WIDGET



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:26:30 -0000
From: beecher_at_dml_colorado.edu
Subject: Warm start prob. - Not accumulator

Hi Folks,
	I am now a proud owner of an 81 (~35,000 miles), and while I love 
to drive it, it has been stranding me lately.  It starts fine when 
cold, but after I've been driving it a few miles, then turn it off
and 
let it sit more than about two minutes, it won't start again.  It
turns 
over, but doesn't fire...  it seems fuel starved.  I have to let it
sit 
for several hours before it is back in the mood to run.  I read the 
archives, and was pleased to find that others had solved this problem 
by replacing the fuel accumulator, which I have now done.  Then it 
stranded me again, doing exactly the same thing.  My mechanic (very 
familiar with Ds, Haglin in Boulder, CO) says that the fuel line is 
holding pressure VERY well (better than usual, apparently), so he 
doesn't think there is any problem with the value in the fuel pump.  
He's pulled the injectors, and they all appear to be working fine.  
He's stumped, I'm stumped, I don't know what else to do.  He's still 
looking at it, but I thought that if anyone had any suggestions, I 
would be pleased to hear them.  Thanks to the contributors for a
great 
list!  

Brent Beecher





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:45:05 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: A/T shifting problems

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Cliff Wallace <cliftonw_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Hello, all.  I've got one of those wonderfully built Automatic
> Transmissions that are known for their Computer Governor problems.
> I had the computer replaced in '97 as well as the cooler lines and 
some
> leaky seals.  About a year later to the present, the computer likes 
to
> constantly downshift when I slow the car down to 30 MPH or whenever 
I
> approach a red light or stop sign.  The computer does not downshift 
when
> I cruise at or around 30 MPH, only when I slow down to this speed.  
This
> irritation occurs only when the car is warmed up.  Say about 20 
minutes
> of driving time in the summer.  The A/T fluid is fresh and full.  It
> sounds as if the computer is overheating.  If it is, then does that 
mean
> the A/T cooler lines are not doing their job?  Anybody have a 
similar
> problem or fix?
> Thanks
> 
> Cliff W.
> 3773
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



It sounds like you should preform two adjustments. Make sure the vacum
line to the modulator is hooked up correctly and not leaking.Adjust 
the line pressure as per the manual and adjust the linkage to the 
computer as per the manual. If this doesn't fix the problem then it 
might be a faulty modulator.You could try to take it apart and clean 
it and replace the "o" ring inside.Also make sure the downshift switch
is adjusted properly at the throttle spool and working(check with a 
continuity meter).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:40:40 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: Fuel Vent on Gas Tank!

All Deloreans came with the fuel vent.  I bought a new one from
Consolidated and it did not have a vent so I bought one and it was
impossible to install without special tools.  So I did not install it
and the car smelled of gas.  

jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stian Birkeland [mailto:dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:01 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Fuel Vent on Gas Tank!



I've followed the recent discussion here on the DML, regarding fuel
smell 
inside the car.

Right now, on Ebay, there is a fuel tank for sale. In the description it

says, and I quote:

"Don't buy a new one because it will not have a fuel vent in it and your
car 
will smell like gas."

Now, my question is this: Is there any difference in the DMC fuel tanks?

Does some fueltanks have a vent and some not? From what VIN did the
change 
come? If the above statement is true, then I would guess that low VINs
have 
the tanks with no fuel vent and higher VINs have the tanks with the
vent. 
Based on the DMCs improvements during production.

Also, what Im curious about is that the statement seems to suggest that
all 
NOS fuel tanks from the DMC suppliers are of the type that has no
vents??? 
Can someone clarify this?

James or DMC Joe?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:54:09 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Injection Roblem PART 2

- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> When you say you adjusted the mixture I am assuming you are
refering 
to
> the CO idle mixture screw located under a sealed plug between the 
air
> horn and the fuel distributer and not the three brass plugs in the 
intake
> manifold. And after you make the adjustments you reseal the hole 
again
> otherwise you leave a big vacuum leak there. You should be able to 
lean
> out the idle mixture without killing the engine. The adjustment 
screw is
> attached to the paddle lever inside the manifold. When you place the
> allen wrench into the screw you should see the wrench move up and 
down
> when you apply pressure to the paddle.
> 
> I have a procedure for using a dwell meter to adjust your CO
mixture 
at
> http://www.vabch.com/dsontos/tuneup.html
> 
> Dave Sontos
> VIN 02573
> 
> Chris C wrote:
> 
> > We have tried adjusting the mixture but it will only
> > run rich and the gas consumption is very poor {about 18mpg on
> > highway}.
> >         Thanks,
> >                         John 16727



Make sure that the 3 screws towards the back of the car are not the 
ones you adjusted.It sounds like your problem is not in the injection
system. Start troubleshooting the idle motor circuit,check the idle
switch, power to the idle computer,etc.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:57:53 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom_at_dml_mitchellco.com>
Subject: DeLorean for sale . . .

. . . in last weeks Ohio Auto & RV  Trader

Vol 5, No. 6
May 29 - June 4
pg 43

1982 DeLorean Gull Wing
4,960 mi., new cond. $17,500. Bay City, MI
#CHMI506020

---------------
Eventhough the the photo is grainy , it looks in good shape. Stainless, NO
black/grey stripes, looks like origional front springs.
Send me private email if you want the telephone number.


- Shannon Y.
VIN# Not Yet!


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:50:09 -0000
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: JZD in not in jail

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> ...People only seem to remember the bust, and that he was arrested.
> ...Again, In my opinion, if Larry Flynt hadn't released that tape to
> CBS, people (in general) may have never viewed that scene in the
> hotel and quickly forgotten about JZD's trouble with the law...


I must disagree.  It was really big news when JZD was arrested,
although I will grant that having "Film at 11" to go along with the
story certainly made it bigger news, if not more resilient.  There's
no footage of misdeeds in the Oval Office, but it will still be some
time before people forget the name Monica Lewinsky (or G. Gordon
Liddy, for that matter).

I am at a loss to explain why so many people think JZD is still in
jail.  His acquittal was big news, as well.  It's almost like thinking
OJ is still in jail.  Well, not quite, but you get the idea.

I will often overhear conversations about JZD still being imprisoned
when people see my parked DMC-12.  I make a point of correcting them. 
Ocassionally they will accuse me of being misinformed, which is when I
offer to show them *my* DMC that they're admiring.  :-)

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN #4695




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:10:03 GMT
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: hail damage

>  My DeLorean recently suffered modrate (10-15 dents) hail damage in a 
>storm here in South Carolina. I was in St. Louis or I would have sacrificed 
>my body! My wife's Acura is a lot worse parked right next to it.
>
>Has anyone had theirs repaired with similar damage?
>Any luck with the paintless dent repair people?
>
>Anything/one I should avoid?
>
>See  everyone in Cleveland, just overlook the dents!
>
>Cecil Longwisch
>#10663


Several months ago my Delorean was caught in a small hail storm. Before the 
storm hit I managed to get the car cover on (thick car cover designed to 
prevent this kind of damage). But unfortunately the car still received some 
damage. Mostly on the hood, which was already looking pretty shabby, and on 
the T panel.

I couldn't get any of the local paintless dent guys to touch it. They all 
said that the stainless was too strong and that all their tools were 
designed for late model cars with thin sheet metal.

Anyway, a friend of mine used dry ice on the T panel and those dents are 
hardly noticeable. But, they weren't very big to start with. And as far as 
the hood goes I have decided to replace it. I'm just looking around for a 
used hood with grooves in good shape. I don't like the look of the all flat 
hoods.

I'm sure the DeLorean shops can repair the panels (I know they do in 
Houston, anyway). Has anybody had this done? What were the results? Costs? 
Etc?


David
DMC VIN5524
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:10:19 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Part needed - no longer made..


Hello All,

  I need part# 8-3-0 #24 (105721) which is the black metal slotted 
strip that runs beneath the sun shade and holds the back of the 
t-panel to the roof. (It also covers up the bolts for the torsion bars 
for the doors.)  I'm told by Grady that this part is no longer 
available, so I'm turning to the DML for anyone that may have one to 
sell from a parts car,etc (along with whatever bolts are needed).  

Please email me if you can help: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net.

Thanks,
-Hank #1619




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:44:23 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Larry Flynt and DMC

In the last year or two there was a movie made about the life of Larry
Flynt.

It was called 'The people verses Larry Flynt' or something like that and he
was played by Woody Harolson (spelt wrong I am sure).

The point is perhaps the JZD episode featured in the movie, has anyone on
the DML seen the movie?


Christopher M. Hawes
C       M        H        D






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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:07:10 -0400
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
Subject: JZD in Cleveland?

 Hello, all. I see on the website that there is a letter of intent for John
and Kathryn DeLorean to be at the convention in Cleveland. I am thinking
about flying there (from Manchester, N.H.) for the Saturday car show
between the museum and the rock hall of fame. Does anyone know if JZD will
be there Saturday, June 17th?


----
Mark Fearer
vin 3072



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:56:14 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Thanks for your input!

Dear List,
    Thanks go out to everyone who voted in the poll I posted about the
replacement glove box!  Your responses were extremely helpful in
allowing me to determine whether I should pursue this project or not.
    I did some additional research and found out a few interesting
things about the original production units.  I will use this new
information along with my resources to make a go at creating a
reproduction insert.  I'll keep everyone updated as I make progress.  I
expect to complete the project before the end of 2000.
        Thanks again!
        Josh Haldeman
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964

Check out my newly updated website at:
http://www.geocities.com/delorean-12/mainpagecon6.html




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:55:42 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: JZD in Cleveland?

For Clarification on the times John Z DeLorean will be at the show.

At this time John has asked to do a question and answer session on Friday at 
the Crawford Museum.  How long and what about are up to John and you.

Saturday he will be at the Show wandering about like the rest of you and 
probably taking in the sights.  

He will be at the Saturday dinner but at this time there is no scheduled talk 
from him for Saturday evening.

Ken

See you there 

10 day to go
countdown begins



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:49:22 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: RE: Vin#001&2914 BRICKLINS

The man you are referring to is Scott Hanisch, former Bricklin International
Owners Association
president. I've been a member of B.I.O.A. for awhile and I know that he has
been trying to sell
the first and last Bricklin for awhile also. Wish I had the money(I would
prefer to own a Delorean
of course). I wasn't aware that he had so many other vehicles around.

-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 5:31 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Vin#001&2914 BRICKLINS

Hello List,
    I met a guy on Ebay that owned a DMC last year by accident, then I
foundout he lives about 15 minutes away.  He came over in his DMC-12 to pick
up the item he won, last fall .  He said I would have to come down and see
his other vehicles.  well, I finally got the chance today.
    I walked in and he had the first and last Bricklin sports cars ever made
up on hoiste in "carcoons".  Both have extremely low miles and are 100%
original.  I must say that these cars are very unique.  He had everything
bricklin ever made.  dealer signs and hundreds of pounds of
literature,brochures and magazines.  He has all the original sketches and
even paintings painted by the designer.   He even had a brick from the
bricklin factory signed by Malcom bricklin.  I took pictures but I dont know
if they will turn out well becuase the cars were in the carcoons.  He said
he
will sell them if he gets a good offer.  I beleive he bought them from a
museum.  I think a bricklin is going to be on my "future" car list.  he said
they do have more problems than a DeLorean but if you buy a 76 they operate
much better than the 74's.  do any of you on the list own bricklins?
    His DeLorean was probably one of the nicest examples out there.  It had
only 4,200 miles, black interior, dealer side stripe and a perfect body.  I
beleive the vin# was 2348 but not for sure.  I took many pictures of it and
will post them in the vault when they get developed.  The De Lorean is also
put on a hoiste when not in use to preserve the original tires.  I think I
talked him into going to Cleveland!  That surely made my day, seeing all of
these rare automobiles in one garage.
    Other cars in his collection included Yellow,purple,red,& black
prowlers(4),2 pt cruisers, SLK compressor,VW beetle, 99 VIPER(just
sold),2000
Corvette,87 Fiero with only 30 miles, morgan 3 wheeler and about 30
motorcycles.

just wanted to let you know the first and last bricklins are together and
treated well:)

David Phelps,
#2496



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 01:11:23 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Warm start prob. - Not accumulator

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, beecher_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 	I am now a proud owner of an 81 (~35,000 miles), and while I 
love 
> to drive it, it has been stranding me lately.  It starts fine when 
> cold, but after I've been driving it a few miles, then turn it off
> and 
> let it sit more than about two minutes, it won't start again.  It
> turns 
> over, but doesn't fire...  it seems fuel starved.  I have to let it
> sit 
> for several hours before it is back in the mood to run.  I read the 
> archives, and was pleased to find that others had solved this 
problem 
> by replacing the fuel accumulator, which I have now done.  Then it 
> stranded me again, doing exactly the same thing.  My mechanic (very 
> familiar with Ds, Haglin in Boulder, CO) says that the fuel line is 
> holding pressure VERY well (better than usual, apparently), so he 
> doesn't think there is any problem with the value in the fuel pump. 
 
> He's pulled the injectors, and they all appear to be working fine.  
> He's stumped, I'm stumped, I don't know what else to do.  He's
still 
> looking at it, but I thought that if anyone had any suggestions, I 
> would be pleased to hear them.  Thanks to the contributors for a
> great 
> list!  
> 
> Brent Beecher

Check the spark the next time you have this problem. It is probably 
the pickup in the distributor.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:44:22 -0400
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219_at_dml_one.net>
Subject: Re: JZD in Cleveland?

JZD will be arriving on Friday, will be attending the show on Saturday
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:06:34 PDT
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: rocker panel plug

Group:
On the side of my car, lower rocker panel (for lack of a better term) about 
where the key hole is (only at the very bottom), there is a white plug/hole 
that goes into the fiberglass.  On the passenger side there appears to be a 
cover over this (black).  Should I have one on driver's side as well? ( I 
assume yes).  If so, does anyone have one of these laying around that they 
are willing to part with?  E-mail me privately if you do.
Thanks,
Brian 16584
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