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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

2. My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: gschroe_at_dml_writeme.com

3. D Spotted.
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

4. The Media and the Cleveland Show
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

5. Re: Warm start prob. - Not accumulator
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: JZD in Cleveland?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Larry Flynt and DMC
From: "Joe Sorrentino" <joeytino_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. BTTF DeLorean
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com

9. [racing] Colorado Concour (fwd)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

10. Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: spooky312_at_dml_aol.com

11. Stainless Cleaner
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

12. Bought a D yesterday!
From: Steve <steve_at_dml_psychonet.net>

13. Re: Stainless Cleaner
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com

14. Interesting Test
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

15. RE: Stainless Cleaner
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

16. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

17. Relay pictures anyone?
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: JZD in Cleveland?
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: Stainless Cleaner
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

20. When and where in Cleveland?
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>

21. Crashed
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:18:14 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

Hi All,

I'm anxiously preparing the Vixen for the trip to Cleveland in a couple
of weeks, but I had an engine problem that was driving me nuts.  You can
chalk this one up in the "Intermittent Failure" category on the Zen
scale (see http://www.ProjectVixen.com/zen.htm to know what I mean).

The Problem:
The frequency valve circuit worked intermittently.  Some days it worked
just fine, others not at all.  My situation was that I currently did not
have an Oxygen sensor attached, as I still need to have the nut welded
onto my exhaust pipe.

What I Tested:
- There was power from the RPM relay when the engine is running.
- There was constant power from the fuse.
- The relay was functioning correctly.
- The temp. sensor was functioning okay.
- When the full-throttle microswich is triggered, the frequence valve
-did- operate.

I was under the assumption that the Lambda ECU was shot.  I jumped to
the wrong conclusion.  Darryl Tinnerstet guessed the correct answer -- a
bad ground wire.  It was the one from under the resistors to the engine
block.  The wire -looked- just fine, but only worked when I wiggled it.
New connector, and voila!  Running fine.  Of course, she could probably
use a good tune up, but a running car is a good place to start.

Ever since I got my brakes hooked up, I've been able to 'drive' the car
around a bit.  Pretty strange site to my neighbors, I'm sure.  I've
heard the car described as 1) a dune buggy, 2) a Fiero, and 3) a
go-kart.  Huh.  Well, they aren't "car people" I guess.

For an untuned, stripped down little car, she sure does get up and go,
though.  Of course, I haven't left my street yet, or shifted out of
first, but I can feel quite a bit of pep when those turbos get to
kickin'.

For anyone interested, I have updated my web site up through Week 30.
Check it out if you'd like.

That's about it recently.  See y'all in Cleveland!

-Dave Stragand
Vin# 05927
http://www.ProjectVixen.com




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:11:15 -0000
From: gschroe_at_dml_writeme.com
Subject: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

I have been driving this car off and on for 15 years, and at last it 
stopped and I'm stuck on why.  I drove it all night the day before, 
no real symptoms or issues, good gas, good battery.  The Next day I 
drove it on the freeway and stopped at a light.  It sputtered and 
died.  Had to push it to safety, where I called the tow truck.  Let 
it sit and tried to start it a few times with a wait in between to no 
avail.  During the wait I looked at the fuel pump, the connections 
(two prong connector seemed a bit rough, so I did my best at cleaning 
that up.  Tried again and it started.  Made it about a block and it 
stopped again.  Fuses all OK, no sign of electrical trauma.  Had it 
towed and I'm contemplating replacing the fuel canister as a start.  
Any thoughts anyone has would be appreciated. 




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 05:41:08 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: D Spotted.

Sunday (yesterday) I was told about a D that was spotted heading 
westbound on Spring Mountain Road here in Las Vegas. Out of 
curiousity is the owner here on the list? I begining to feel like the 
Omega Man. I know that there's other people out there somewhere, but 
I can't find them!

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:26:12 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: The Media and the Cleveland Show

Ken Koncelik's DeLorean Car Show in Cleveland will be mentioned on a
radio talk show called The Schiffer Report.  I do not know much about
the the show or its distribution, so I have no idea if you can hear it
on a local radio station or not.  I am posting this just in case someone
on the DML is a fan of the show and can tell us more.

I do know that the show will begin broadcasting on the web sometime in
the next two weeks.  If it starts this week, everyone should be able to
hear the show on the Internet and find out what they say about us.

I will seek more information about the show and post anything I find.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:40:57 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Warm start prob. - Not accumulator

Brent,

You may have a defective time-temperature switch which is causing the cold
start injector to fire causing an over-rich condition. Simply unplug the
connector to the cold start valve and see if the car starts. Let me know the
results.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <beecher_at_dml_colorado.edu>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:26 AM
Subject: [DML] Warm start prob. - Not accumulator


> Hi Folks,
> I am now a proud owner of an 81 (~35,000 miles), and while I love
> to drive it, it has been stranding me lately.  It starts fine when
> cold, but after I've been driving it a few miles, then turn it off
> and
> let it sit more than about two minutes, it won't start again.  It
> turns
> over, but doesn't fire...  it seems fuel starved.  I have to let it
> sit
> for several hours before it is back in the mood to run.  I read the
> archives, and was pleased to find that others had solved this problem
> by replacing the fuel accumulator, which I have now done.  Then it
> stranded me again, doing exactly the same thing.  My mechanic (very
> familiar with Ds, Haglin in Boulder, CO) says that the fuel line is
> holding pressure VERY well (better than usual, apparently), so he
> doesn't think there is any problem with the value in the fuel pump.
> He's pulled the injectors, and they all appear to be working fine.
> He's stumped, I'm stumped, I don't know what else to do.  He's still
> looking at it, but I thought that if anyone had any suggestions, I
> would be pleased to hear them.  Thanks to the contributors for a
> great
> list!
>
> Brent Beecher





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 05:43:24 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: JZD in Cleveland?

I sure hope that someone on the DML list and who is going to Cleveland, are 
able to videotape the "question and answer session" with John. I'd like to 
see that! If the DMCNews did this, then the sale of this video would help in 
financing the site...

Also, it would be great to hear whether Mr. DeLorean is planning on 
attending the Euro Expo in Belfast, May 2001. I have heard that there was an 
arrest order on him if he ever sat foot on British soil again, and I hope 
this isn't the case any longer... Surely that arrest order must have been 
dropped by now due to the long time since the collapse of the DeLorean Motor 
Company and DeLorean Motor Cars Ltd.



Best wishes from Norway;

Stian Birkeland
VIN # 06759

*Not going to Cleveland, unfortunately!*


>From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] JZD in Cleveland?
>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:55:42 EDT
>
>For Clarification on the times John Z DeLorean will be at the show.
>
>At this time John has asked to do a question and answer session on Friday 
>at
>the Crawford Museum.  How long and what about are up to John and you.
>
>Saturday he will be at the Show wandering about like the rest of you and
>probably taking in the sights.
>
>He will be at the Saturday dinner but at this time there is no scheduled 
>talk
>from him for Saturday evening.
>
>Ken
>
>See you there
>
>10 day to go
>countdown begins
>
>
>
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>www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:02:57 GMT
From: "Joe Sorrentino" <joeytino_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Flynt and DMC

Christopher M. Hawes wrote:

It was called 'The people verses Larry Flynt' or something like that and he 
was played by Woody Harolson (spelt wrong I am sure).
The point is perhaps the JZD episode featured in the movie, has anyone on 
the DML seen the movie?

The Delorean sequence took up a small bit of screen time and was essentially 
a 'scoop' that Flint had. There is a scene of Flynt showing the tape to a 
reporter if memory serves, and essentially is saying that Delorean was set 
up. Part of his lawsuit dealing with how he acquired the tape was also 
shown. It was an interesting movie, and Woody did a good job, but it's 
accuracy is somewhat suspect.

Best Regards to all:
Joe Sorrentino
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:15:44 -0000
From: outatimejt_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: BTTF DeLorean

Does anyone know where I can reach with access to a BTTF DMC or a 
converted one?

Please contact OUTATIMEJT_at_dml_AOL.COM

Thanks!




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:37:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: [racing] Colorado Concour (fwd)

Might be something somebody might be interested in participating in.  I
don't know how to get information on entering, but I'm sure the original
poster (hglesner_at_dml_ast.lmco.com) knows.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:30:08 -0600 (MDT)
From: Harry R Glesner III <hglesner_at_dml_ast.lmco.com>
To: Racing <racing_at_dml_rennlist.org>
Cc: 356_at_dml_rennlist.org, scirocco-l_at_dml_scirocco.org, audi-20v_at_dml_lists.boldfish.com,
     racing_at_dml_rennlist.org, SC_at_dml_rennlist.org
Subject: [racing] Colorado Concour

Gang:
   This Sunday June the 11th here in Littleton our local Porsche Club with more 
that a little help from many other clubs (to be noted later) are putting on the 
17th Annual "Exotic Car Concour". The show is a Arapahoe Community College on 
south Sante Fe just a little south of Bowles, or Littleton Blvd. The show runs 
from 9 am to 2 pm, and costs 2 dollars at the gate with all proceeds going to 
United Cerebral Palsy.
    Other clubs and cars to be involved are, Jaguar, MB, BMW, Audi, Masserati, 
Ferrari, Corvette, Lotus, Volkswagen, and other one offs are a Bitter and a 
Packard. We should have between 200 and 300 cars there. Food and a silent 
auction with some outrageous stuff to bid on will be there also.
    
Rick Glesner
Littleton, Colorado




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:31:22 EDT
From: spooky312_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

 The altinator could be going out! I have had trouble with it in the past 
with other cars it sounds like that's what it could be! You could take it off 
and have it tested anywhere to see if it is bad it is usually nothing that a 
about 100 bucks could fix!



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:14:44 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: Stainless Cleaner

    Hello All, 
    
                I was just wondering what the best cleaner that anyone has found 
for their car. I'm using Turtle wax car wash but it stil seems to leave some black
"dirt" or something on the car that doesn't seem to want to come off very easy. 
I'm afraid to try and use some household cleaners because most are abrasive
and I'm afraid of messing up the brush marks of the steel. Any suggestions?

                            Jason VIN# 05903


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve <steve_at_dml_psychonet.net>
Subject: Bought a D yesterday!

Group:

After looking for a DeLorean for the past 6 months I finally bought one!

I just wanted everyone to know the DeLorean mailing list has never
once scared me away from buying a D and it gave me confidence in the
car. It also made me a much more informed buyer which helps when you're
in an area with very few around.

Steve / VE7EZD / VIN5439

steve_at_dml_dmc12.net




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:41:45 EDT
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Cleaner

I use what Madge was soaking in. Dishwashing detergent.
Ralph
vin1606



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:44:08 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: Interesting Test

Testing my DML connection.......

To ALL:

	In the event that this e-mail gets through.......I have some interesting
news!


	The plans to create a die-cast all metal 1/18th scale model (not a kit) is
in the
works. A few weeks ago Steve at DMC Houston referred SunStar America Inc.,
A Chinese manufacture to me as a DMC model consultant. Today the final
meetings and initial DMC-12 X began with a
photo session and measuring of my DeLorean VIN: 005726. Next week I will be
attending
a proto-type meeting at Sun Star US offices, where technical aspects of the
metal die casting will
be addressed.

	This is a real no nonsense manufacturing and world wide distribution
effort. I will try to keep
the list updated as to the progress and anything else I think ,might be of
interest.

	I will see about getting a special deal for all DML members with some kind
of single source, it won't be me, but I am certain I can arrange a price
discount of some kind.

	The models will be made in China, I have been invited to the manufacturing
plant and if I go I will take pictures and offer them in some format to
List members.

More later.


Lee


CAUTION :   Any individual or group discharging a nuclear device or weapon 
inside Los Angeles city limits may be fined $500 - and/or serve 30 days in
county jail.

It's the LAW!



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:03:41 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: Stainless Cleaner

Power wash to get it clean, then a stainless cleaner that you can buy at
a  hardware store to protect it.
 
jack.

	-----Original Message-----  
	From: J Rowe 
	Sent: Tue 6/6/2000 4:14 PM 
	To: DeLorean News 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [DML] Stainless  Cleaner
	
	

	    Hello  All,
	   
	                I was just wondering what the best cleaner that
anyone has found
	for their  car. I'm using Turtle wax car wash but it stil seems
to leave some  black
	"dirt" or something on the car that doesn't seem to want to come
off  very easy.
	I'm afraid to try and use some household cleaners because most
are abrasive
	and I'm afraid of messing up the brush marks of the steel. Any
suggestions?
	
	                            Jason VIN# 05903
	
	
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:05:31 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

so you are gonna be ready for Cleveland with your car
can't wait



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:29:52 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Relay pictures anyone?

Hello,
    I just got done cleaning out my electrical compartment.  I also re-taped 
all of the wires and replaced a few freyed ones. (got my fan problem fixed:)) 
 When I bough the car none of the relays were in their rows.  Can anyone with 
a digital camera take close pictures of there relay compartment relay rows?  
I just need to be able to see a few of the wires coming out of the bottom of 
each.  Please email me privately if You can help.  I need to get this done so 
I can start laying carpet later this month:)

Thank You
David
#2496-interior resto in progress



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:08:27 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: JZD in Cleveland?

I hope to have that recorded but it will be up to John if he allows that.
If he does it will be made available.
I will be bringing a recorder and one other person is going to be my backup.
Ken



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:10:29 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Cleaner

I have the original 3M stainless steel cleaner in the big 20oz can
I have about 20 cans.
If anyone is interested I can bring a few cans to the show for sale.
I plan to raffle off a few cans.
It is the best cleaner besides windex I have found.

Ken



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:02:54 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: When and where in Cleveland?

I know that there has probably already been a posting of the exact date and
time
of the Cleveland show, but I was hoping that some could refresh my memory as
to
the time and exact location of the show in Cleveland again. Thanks




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:36:03 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Crashed



Dear DML,

    I need your help.
Please look at your car with the doors closed. Pay particular attention to 
the Gap between the door and the front fenders.

    How many of you have a more pronounced gap at the sill area?
 
    I have been trying to research what ever happened to DeLorean cars that 
were damaged while inside the cargo ships en route to the United States. Some 
of these DeLoreans had intensive damage. 
 
    I have a contact that worked at the QAC's. He said a number of DeLorean's 
suffered from damage. He was responsible for chassis damaged. He simply had 
the chassis replaced since there was a continuous supply of chassis.  He had 
knowledge of destroyed cars and cars that were a total loss. He went on to 
say, how the cars were thoroughly inspected, repaired, replaced damaged parts 
and rebuilt to be sold. This seems evident especially in the early days. 
    
    However, I have seen photographs of DMC-12's that had severe, extensive 
damage in the front areas of the cars. The bonnet area looked beyond repair.  
The damaged resulted from chains that secured the cars down, breaking free 
and the cars sliding into each other.  The VIN numbers in the photographs 
indicate that the cars were built in Sept of 1981. I.e. VIN # 3000-3999.
    
    The purpose of my inquiry is to determine why the Body panels of cars in 
this VIN # range are out of alignment. My determination is to conclude that 
these cars either;

    1. Had suffered from lack of door shims at the factory. This would 
conclude that the factory was running out of stock, or changed the 
specifications for the shims. This resulted in doors completely out of 
alignment.  ((Look at the area of your car with doors closed. The "Gap" 
between the front fenders and the doors))

    2. The more probable, cars damaged during shipment, and repaired at the 
QAC's. The cars having the stainless steel panels, or VARI sections replaced 
at the QAC in Long Beach or New Jersey.  Resulting in body panels out of 
alignment. However, the really early, and late VINs' seem to have the panels 
aligned.

So did the company have damaged cars repaired/rebuilt to be sold, or did they 
have them destroyed since the cars looked totaled?

Your input is very much appreciated.



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