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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. John DeLorean Q&A
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

2. '00 DeLorean?
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

3. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: "Patrick Cowan" <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>

4. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com

5. RE: Crashed
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

6. Re: Crashed
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Re: Crashed
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: gschroe_at_dml_writeme.com

10. Re: Stainless Cleaner
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Crashed
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

12. Re: used carpet WANTED
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Interesting Test
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

14. re: Carpet Color
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_performconsulting.com>

15. Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

16. Re: BTTF DeLorean
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

17. Re: Crawford Museum: More DeLorean stuff!
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

18. engine removal pics
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

19. Driving Tour: Clarification
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

20. Interesting follow-up
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

21. Registration DeLorean Car Show
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

22. axle seals/yokes
From: Printed Drinkware Company <drinkware_at_dml_lweb.net>

23. New DMC Engine Shake down Cruise
From: "William H. Swilley" <billswilley_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. PART NEDED
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

25. Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:52:52 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: John DeLorean Q&A

For those of us who are not fortunate enough to attend Cleveland next
week,
but would still like to ask Mr. DeLorean some questions, here's an idea:

Two or three guys from the list take a few questions to ask Mr. D, and
act
as a "designated speaker" for the absent hopefuls.  

So there it is folks, now here's the challenge:  Who's going to stand up?
Whoever it is, please let me contact you, because I would really love to
get
a few questions answered by Mr. John DeLorean.

Thanks to all,
Robert G.
deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:43:21 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: '00 DeLorean?

Hi group,
  
Since DMC Houston owns the huge parts warehouse, could/would
they build a DeLorean for someone from the ground up if a person
commissioned them to?

Just curious,
Robert G.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:33:49 -0400
From: "Patrick Cowan" <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

Dave-

Vixen is lookiing good...I cant believe that thng is driveable though...i
tlooks like it came from the junkyard (reason : parts stripped off)
I have to give you praise for takign this as far as you have, and it'll sure
be a great thing when it is a completed project...

But what will you do when vixen is done??
get another one and restore it?
I'm curious to know!

Patrick Cowan
No Vin On A DMC
I drive a Honda
Hoping 4 a D

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
To: eGroups Digest <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 11:18 AM
Subject: [DML] The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...


> Hi All,
>
> I'm anxiously preparing the Vixen for the trip to Cleveland in a couple
> of weeks, but I had an engine problem that was driving me nuts.  You can
> chalk this one up in the "Intermittent Failure" category on the Zen
> scale (see http://www.ProjectVixen.com/zen.htm to know what I mean).
>
> The Problem:
> The frequency valve circuit worked intermittently.  Some days it worked
> just fine, others not at all.  My situation was that I currently did not
> have an Oxygen sensor attached, as I still need to have the nut welded
> onto my exhaust pipe.
>
> What I Tested:
> - There was power from the RPM relay when the engine is running.
> - There was constant power from the fuse.
> - The relay was functioning correctly.
> - The temp. sensor was functioning okay.
> - When the full-throttle microswich is triggered, the frequence valve
> -did- operate.
>
> I was under the assumption that the Lambda ECU was shot.  I jumped to
> the wrong conclusion.  Darryl Tinnerstet guessed the correct answer -- a
> bad ground wire.  It was the one from under the resistors to the engine
> block.  The wire -looked- just fine, but only worked when I wiggled it.
> New connector, and voila!  Running fine.  Of course, she could probably
> use a good tune up, but a running car is a good place to start.
>
> Ever since I got my brakes hooked up, I've been able to 'drive' the car
> around a bit.  Pretty strange site to my neighbors, I'm sure.  I've
> heard the car described as 1) a dune buggy, 2) a Fiero, and 3) a
> go-kart.  Huh.  Well, they aren't "car people" I guess.
>
> For an untuned, stripped down little car, she sure does get up and go,
> though.  Of course, I haven't left my street yet, or shifted out of
> first, but I can feel quite a bit of pep when those turbos get to
> kickin'.
>
> For anyone interested, I have updated my web site up through Week 30.
> Check it out if you'd like.
>
> That's about it recently.  See y'all in Cleveland!
>
> -Dave Stragand
> Vin# 05927
> http://www.ProjectVixen.com
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:05:57 EDT
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

I just want to say, i find the quotes on your weekly pages, and just for you 
guys that dont check this page out here are some cool ones (hope its ok with 
you)

"When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're going to see some serious 
shit..."  - Me
"Dave, this car is already a serious piece of shit." - My Neighbor, Chris


"Where's the flux capacitor?"  - My neighbor, George.
"That's just in the movies, George..." - Me
"Well how are you going to travel through time?" - George
"These cars can't really time travel... You do know that, right?" - Me
"Oh... Ok... I wanted you to go back and find my car keys.  I didn't leave 
them here did I? - George


"I don't understand why you need a webcam so people can watch you work on a 
DeLorean"  - Mom
"I'm going to work on the car naked, and charge people $10 an hour to watch." 
- Me
"Well at least you'll be making an extra couple of bucks." -Dad"


"Wow... a new millennium.  Maybe by the next one your car will be done."  - 
Jason Matthews


"That's a helicopter engine in there, not a Volvo..."  - Pep Boys Employee


"How'd you get a hold of a DeLorean?  They're the fastest car ever built. 
They're not legal in the U.S."  - Dennis Matusec


"Where are the T-Tops? "  - Next door neighbor kid


"Finally - The Rubber Meets The Road "  - Me
"Only if your garage is a freeway, dude..." - Next-Door Neighbor, Josh


"Jim DeLorean... He went to jail for selling heroin.  Then General Motors sold
The DeLorean Division to the British Government, and they threw all of the 
remaining cars into 
the ocean because they didn't like Howard Hughes. But he built a new one now 
called the Firebird.
I saw it on The History Channel."  - My Neighbor, George


"Diem Sea?  Where's that?"  - A co-worker   ( get it, DMC...)


"What the hell are you doing to that Fiero?" - Guy driving past


sorry for takin space folks, just loved these quotes

-greg



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:35:03 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Crashed

senatorpack,

When the DMC's were manufactured, the doors were fitted to the body before
any of the other stainless panels, since the doors were the most difficult
to align.  If your doors close correctly, then it is the fenders that are
out of alignment.

Sounds like you're correct about the cars damaged in transit:


   from
http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dec99files/dmcnews%20digest5269-5287.htm


<SNIP>
  As a curiosity (and for those keeping track) here are the VINs of the cars
  that had "OCEAN FREIGHT DAMAGE". The document clearly state that these
  DeLoreans are "TO BE CRUSHED". I guess they were beyond repair. I'm also
  wondering if these are the cars that were featured in an old DeLorean
World
  Pictorial. Here goes:
    3675 (auto)
    2687 (manual)
    2765 (auto)
    3372 (auto)
    3685 (manual)
    3716 (manual)
  The company that transported these car was: Kattegat
  Best wishes,  Stian Birkeland
  NORWAY,  VIN # 6759
</SNIP>



Cheers,
Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695




> -----Original Message-----
> From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com [mailto:senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:36 PM
> Subject: [DML] Crashed
>
>
> Dear DML,
>
>     I need your help.
> Please look at your car with the doors closed. Pay particular
> attention to the Gap between the door and the front fenders.
>
>     I have been trying to research what ever happened to DeLorean
> cars that were damaged while inside the cargo ships en route to
> the United States. Some of these DeLoreans had intensive damage...




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:18:34 HST
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Crashed

Having a friend who worked in the QAC in NJ, I think I can respond to this 
e-mail with some certainty.

My friend told me many stories of repairs he had to do on the cars that 
entered the QAC. One story in particular was swapping the frames for 3 or 4 
cars (can't remember exactly which it was). He said that these cars were 
delivered with damage to the eye hooks/loops on the frames. During the 
transport, the seas were rough, and all of the rocking of the boat caused 
the loops on the frames to be ripped off. He told me that the chassis on 
these cars were swapped... he added that the crews did all of the swapping 
on one weeks time. Pretty fast huh? Anyway, the point is that many cars did 
come in damaged from transport, but they were repaired. Panels were swapped 
at the beginning, but it was discovered early that panels with minor damage 
could be repaired and they were. He said that he repaired some panels 
himself on cars. As far as totalled cars, I can't say for sure, but I would 
guess that they were dismantled and used to repair other cars with damage, 
or put into a parts supply stock. I'll have to ask him what happened to cars 
that arrived with extensive damage. I'll let you all know if I find anything 
out.

---Dan Vin# 5493-Black/Gold? Well, not after this weekend...ugh... :o(  
That's a whole other story I'll get into when I can...


>From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Crashed
>Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:36:03 EDT
>
>
>
>Dear DML,
>
>     I need your help.
>Please look at your car with the doors closed. Pay particular attention to
>the Gap between the door and the front fenders.
>
>     How many of you have a more pronounced gap at the sill area?
>
>     I have been trying to research what ever happened to DeLorean cars 
>that
>were damaged while inside the cargo ships en route to the United States. 
>Some
>of these DeLoreans had intensive damage.
>
>     I have a contact that worked at the QAC's. He said a number of 
>DeLorean's
>suffered from damage. He was responsible for chassis damaged. He simply had
>the chassis replaced since there was a continuous supply of chassis.  He 
>had
>knowledge of destroyed cars and cars that were a total loss. He went on to
>say, how the cars were thoroughly inspected, repaired, replaced damaged 
>parts
>and rebuilt to be sold. This seems evident especially in the early days.
>
>     However, I have seen photographs of DMC-12's that had severe, 
>extensive
>damage in the front areas of the cars. The bonnet area looked beyond 
>repair.
>The damaged resulted from chains that secured the cars down, breaking free
>and the cars sliding into each other.  The VIN numbers in the photographs
>indicate that the cars were built in Sept of 1981. I.e. VIN # 3000-3999.
>
>     The purpose of my inquiry is to determine why the Body panels of cars 
>in
>this VIN # range are out of alignment. My determination is to conclude that
>these cars either;
>
>     1. Had suffered from lack of door shims at the factory. This would
>conclude that the factory was running out of stock, or changed the
>specifications for the shims. This resulted in doors completely out of
>alignment.  ((Look at the area of your car with doors closed. The "Gap"
>between the front fenders and the doors))
>
>     2. The more probable, cars damaged during shipment, and repaired at 
>the
>QAC's. The cars having the stainless steel panels, or VARI sections 
>replaced
>at the QAC in Long Beach or New Jersey.  Resulting in body panels out of
>alignment. However, the really early, and late VINs' seem to have the 
>panels
>aligned.
>
>So did the company have damaged cars repaired/rebuilt to be sold, or did 
>they
>have them destroyed since the cars looked totaled?
>
>Your input is very much appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:51:49 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Crashed

To the best of my knowledge the QAC's were very good at insuring that
severely damaged cars never made it to the dealers. We also know of no
shortage of factory installed door shims.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:36 PM
Subject: [DML] Crashed


>
>
> Dear DML,
>
>     I need your help.
> Please look at your car with the doors closed. Pay particular attention to
> the Gap between the door and the front fenders.
>
>     How many of you have a more pronounced gap at the sill area?
>
>     I have been trying to research what ever happened to DeLorean cars
that
> were damaged while inside the cargo ships en route to the United States.
Some
> of these DeLoreans had intensive damage.
>
>     I have a contact that worked at the QAC's. He said a number of
DeLorean's
> suffered from damage. He was responsible for chassis damaged. He simply
had
> the chassis replaced since there was a continuous supply of chassis.  He
had
> knowledge of destroyed cars and cars that were a total loss. He went on to
> say, how the cars were thoroughly inspected, repaired, replaced damaged
parts
> and rebuilt to be sold. This seems evident especially in the early days.
>
>     However, I have seen photographs of DMC-12's that had severe,
extensive
> damage in the front areas of the cars. The bonnet area looked beyond
repair.
> The damaged resulted from chains that secured the cars down, breaking free
> and the cars sliding into each other.  The VIN numbers in the photographs
> indicate that the cars were built in Sept of 1981. I.e. VIN # 3000-3999.
>
>     The purpose of my inquiry is to determine why the Body panels of cars
in
> this VIN # range are out of alignment. My determination is to conclude
that
> these cars either;
>
>     1. Had suffered from lack of door shims at the factory. This would
> conclude that the factory was running out of stock, or changed the
> specifications for the shims. This resulted in doors completely out of
> alignment.  ((Look at the area of your car with doors closed. The "Gap"
> between the front fenders and the doors))
>
>     2. The more probable, cars damaged during shipment, and repaired at
the
> QAC's. The cars having the stainless steel panels, or VARI sections
replaced
> at the QAC in Long Beach or New Jersey.  Resulting in body panels out of
> alignment. However, the really early, and late VINs' seem to have the
panels
> aligned.
>
> So did the company have damaged cars repaired/rebuilt to be sold, or did
they
> have them destroyed since the cars looked totaled?
>
> Your input is very much appreciated.





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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:50:57 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

Manually jump the fuel pump connections at the RPM relay and see if that
corrects the problem, if it does you have a defective RPM relay.

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <gschroe_at_dml_writeme.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:11 AM
Subject: [DML] My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water


> I have been driving this car off and on for 15 years, and at last it
> stopped and I'm stuck on why.  I drove it all night the day before,
> no real symptoms or issues, good gas, good battery.  The Next day I
> drove it on the freeway and stopped at a light.  It sputtered and
> died.  Had to push it to safety, where I called the tow truck.  Let
> it sit and tried to start it a few times with a wait in between to no
> avail.  During the wait I looked at the fuel pump, the connections
> (two prong connector seemed a bit rough, so I did my best at cleaning
> that up.  Tried again and it started.  Made it about a block and it
> stopped again.  Fuses all OK, no sign of electrical trauma.  Had it
> towed and I'm contemplating replacing the fuel canister as a start.
> Any thoughts anyone has would be appreciated.






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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 06:47:22 -0000
From: gschroe_at_dml_writeme.com
Subject: Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

The Alternator being bad would cause the battery to be low or dead, 
this is not the case, as I have good battery and starting power.  Car 
just won't start







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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:53:00 EDT
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Cleaner

Dear List:

           I am using a Prolong product for my delorean's stainless body. 
(http://www.prolong.com/index.htm)  It is like an oil. It can give my 
stainless body beautiful wet body style. Also it is easy to use. When it get 
rain, I can easily tell how good is this product. By the way, I use Armor All 
for any black plastic parts on my Delorean. Those chemicals work wonderful.

                                                                              
                   Blacknight



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:54:19 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Crashed

When we first inpected our car before we bought it, I had noticed 
that the rear tow hooks were both bent the same way. The drivers side 
door aligns perfectly, but the right fron fender is slightly out of 
alignment (but the door seals, all water leaks cured). While 
performing a oil change, I noticed that there was damage to the cross 
section of the chassis in front of the oil pan. Several scrapes and 
indentations scoot accross the chassis and have damaged the epoxy. It 
looks as if a pile of chains were left under my car. Where the hooks 
are bent and where the epoxy has been compromised the is some 
oxidation, so this had to have happened a long time ago. But the 
damage to booth indicated that the car slide to the right. Now never 
thinking about this before I also have body damage to my pasengerside 
rear quarter panel. It looks as though something vertical and even 
was pushed into it head on (no scrapes, but had to notice). The other 
thing that would support this theory is on my doors. While removing 
my new headliners for a cleaning I noticed they had been swapped. The 
car was approved by inspector K #7647. Whoever he/she was wrote "VIN 
6582" on both doors. However, it looks like someone came along later, 
scratched it out and wrote "VIN 6585" (my real VIN). The other 
writing looks like jibberish, but it also looks like the 
date/time/and employee # was written on each door when it was 
completed. There's other writings, but they really don't relate right 
now. I know the closest cars from me are in Sweden >6581< and San 
Diego >6582<. But who knows if these cars would show damage since 
there's no way of knowing if there was a specific way in which the 
cars were lined up in the cargo holds, or what VIN's went with what 
shipments. Maybe if others in this range could check thier cars. The 
other thing is when the cars were shipped. My car is a NOV build, and 
the DMV in Ca listed as first purchased in June 82. So my guess is 
that it spent had to have spent a bit of time somewhere, either in 
Belfast, the west coast QAC, or the dealership, or even all, who 
knows...

On another note, a while back the was talk of DeLorean's that were 
listed by the company to be destroyed due to severe damage. If you 
check the archives for the posting, I belive that several VIN #'s 
were posted for these cars. I hope that all of this helps!

-Robert
VIN 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear DML,
> 
>     I need your help.
> Please look at your car with the doors closed. Pay particular 
attention to 
> the Gap between the door and the front fenders.
> 
>     How many of you have a more pronounced gap at the sill area?
>  
>     I have been trying to research what ever happened to DeLorean 
cars that 
> were damaged while inside the cargo ships en route to the United 
States. Some 
> of these DeLoreans had intensive damage. 
>  
>     I have a contact that worked at the QAC's. He said a number of 
DeLorean's 
> suffered from damage. He was responsible for chassis damaged. He 
simply had 
> the chassis replaced since there was a continuous supply of 
chassis.  He had 
> knowledge of destroyed cars and cars that were a total loss. He 
went on to 
> say, how the cars were thoroughly inspected, repaired, replaced 
damaged parts 
> and rebuilt to be sold. This seems evident especially in the early 
days. 
>     
>     However, I have seen photographs of DMC-12's that had severe, 
extensive 
> damage in the front areas of the cars. The bonnet area looked 
beyond repair.  
> The damaged resulted from chains that secured the cars down, 
breaking free 
> and the cars sliding into each other.  The VIN numbers in the 
photographs 
> indicate that the cars were built in Sept of 1981. I.e. VIN # 3000-
3999.
>     
>     The purpose of my inquiry is to determine why the Body panels 
of cars in 
> this VIN # range are out of alignment. My determination is to 
conclude that 
> these cars either;
> 
>     1. Had suffered from lack of door shims at the factory. This 
would 
> conclude that the factory was running out of stock, or changed the 
> specifications for the shims. This resulted in doors completely out 
of 
> alignment.  ((Look at the area of your car with doors closed. 
The "Gap" 
> between the front fenders and the doors))
> 
>     2. The more probable, cars damaged during shipment, and 
repaired at the 
> QAC's. The cars having the stainless steel panels, or VARI sections 
replaced 
> at the QAC in Long Beach or New Jersey.  Resulting in body panels 
out of 
> alignment. However, the really early, and late VINs' seem to have 
the panels 
> aligned.
> 
> So did the company have damaged cars repaired/rebuilt to be sold, 
or did they 
> have them destroyed since the cars looked totaled?
> 
> Your input is very much appreciated.




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 05:47:20 EDT
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: used carpet WANTED

I've just had new carpets made for my '81 black interior. The original carpets were severely worn out and I found it cheaper to have the entire set duplicated by a specialist classic car carpet manufacturer. The entire set cost 120 (UK sterling)and took about 3 weeks to make. They look great and also have modern sound deadening material on the underside.

Nigel
vin 02677
DOC 16V

p.s. anyone wanting details of the company I used feel free to mail me privately 



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:37:02 +0800
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: Interesting Test

Lee,
If you do make it to China ... call into HongKong and say hallo! I am in the
process of buying another DeLorean here.

Cheers,            IAN
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:44 AM
Subject: [DML] Interesting Test


> Testing my DML connection.......
>
> To ALL:
>
> In the event that this e-mail gets through.......I have some interesting
> news!
>
>
> The plans to create a die-cast all metal 1/18th scale model (not a kit) is
> in the
> works. A few weeks ago Steve at DMC Houston referred SunStar America Inc.,
> A Chinese manufacture to me as a DMC model consultant. Today the final
> meetings and initial DMC-12 X began with a
> photo session and measuring of my DeLorean VIN: 005726. Next week I will
be
> attending
> a proto-type meeting at Sun Star US offices, where technical aspects of
the
> metal die casting will
> be addressed.
>
> This is a real no nonsense manufacturing and world wide distribution
> effort. I will try to keep
> the list updated as to the progress and anything else I think ,might be of
> interest.
>
> I will see about getting a special deal for all DML members with some kind
> of single source, it won't be me, but I am certain I can arrange a price
> discount of some kind.
>
> The models will be made in China, I have been invited to the manufacturing
> plant and if I go I will take pictures and offer them in some format to
> List members.
>
> More later.
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> CAUTION :   Any individual or group discharging a nuclear device or weapon
> inside Los Angeles city limits may be fined $500 - and/or serve 30 days in
> county jail.
>
> It's the LAW!
>
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:36:53 -0400
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_performconsulting.com>
Subject: re: Carpet Color

Just to clarify... not all '83s have the dual color interior.  Mine is completely gray.

Eric Hennebury
VIN 17065


>Just the 83's had the dual color. These were the ones assembled after DMC
>went into bankruptcy. I've heard that it was due to not having enough
>pieces all in one color, so they came up with the dual color interior.


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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:42:33 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

gschroe wrote:

> During the wait I looked at the fuel pump, the
> connections (two prong connector seemed a
> bit rough, so I did my best at cleaning that up.
> Tried again and it started.  Made it about a
> block and it stopped again.

When you try to start your car, can you hear the fuel pump humming?

It should not surprise anyone to learn that our fuel pump connectors are
wearing out.  My car did the same thing earlier this year.  I thought it
was the inertia switch, but it turned out to be the electrical
connections to the fuel pump.  They do not last forever.  My advice is to
cut the wires, go to a hardware store, and buy some sort of strong
connector to replace it.

Everyone should probably replace this connection in the next few years.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:58:36 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: BTTF DeLorean


I am the owner of the 97 Delorean with the Time Machine Option package.
It will be on display at the Crawford Automobile Museum during the
Cleveland Show.  The car is available for rent for movies, shows ,  etc.



bob Brandys




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:18:46 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Crawford Museum: More DeLorean stuff!

Last night Patti and I got a look at some of the DeLorean historical
artifacts in the vault of the Crawford Museum.

As promised, they have the large model of the DMC factory.  The model is
mounted in transparent case.  It has never been displayed to the public
before, but it WILL be put on display for our banquet.

They have many other objects in the DeLorean collection.  Most are just
copies of sales literature that we have all seen before and many of us own.
However, the collection includes some other peices that beg for further
research (e.g. DeLorean related photographs).  Unfortunately there is not
sufficient time to research it all and create a museum display out of these
small items.  I will pursue this after the show and post anything I find to
the DML.

Perhaps a few years from now the Crawford can host another DeLorean event,
presenting a complete and well-researched version of the DeLorean saga.

Finally, we found that the Crawford has another very large artifact from the
ambitious heyday of the DeLorean Motorcars Company that can easily be
displayed.  It is an enormous grey and black muslin banner that must have
been used at automobile trade shows.  The sight of it caused me to imagine
those hopeful early days, when the DeLorean was new and exciting, with a
promising future.  To Patti's surprise it moved me.

Like the factory model, the banner has not been seen since DMC closed its
doors.  However, the Crawford has promised to display it for us at our
Friday night banquet.  The Crawford DOES allow photography, so pictures of
these one-of-a-kind DeLorean items are bound to be posted to the internet.

Let me repeat: these historic items will be displayed only once.  That will
be at our banquet on Friday, June 16.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:34:19 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: engine removal pics

Hi,
I just got some pictures of the removal of my transmission and engine 
yesterday.  I uploaded them into the vault so people can see what it 
looks like.  The pictures are not the best of quality, but they get 
the point across pretty well.  Thank you Micah for helping me, and 
4512 out!!

http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/Engine+Removal/

Enjoy

Erik Geerdink
4512....sadly, it won't be at Cleveland.  Look at the pics to see why.






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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:55:24 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Driving Tour: Clarification

As of now, the Nobody Gets Lost Driving Tour of Cleveland and Rock &
Roll Road Rally has 126 people.  Holy mackrel!  That's a lot!

One caution: we will be starting the tour in the street.  This affects
people without partners and people who use CDs.

If you are coming to the show solo, do not count on stumbling into a
navigator or driver at the tour launch site.  We will be launching from
a short street behind the Great Lakes Science Center (DCO volunteers
will be directing traffic to this spot).  There is no all day parking in
that street.  You cannot leave your car there and ride off with someone
else.  Feel free to meet people in the hotel or Science Center parking
lots, or walk to the launch, but do not bring a car down and expect to
leave it there.

Everyone will get their soundtrack cassette (CD if you have requested
it) at the moment of launch.  We assume you can just slip it into your
player and go.  Some cars have CD players mounted in hard to reach
spots.  If yours is one, you can save yourself some trouble by
discussing it with me at Thursday's cocktail reception or by showing up
for the tour a few minutes early on Friday morning.

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:59:10 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: Interesting follow-up

Testing my DML connection.......

To ALL:

	 

	The plans to create a die-cast all metal 1/18th scale model (not a kit) is
in the
works. A few weeks ago Steve at DMC Houston referred SunStar America Inc.,
A Chinese manufacture to me as a DMC model consultant. Today the final
meetings and initial DMC-12 survey
 began with a photo session and measuring of my DeLorean VIN: 005726. Next
week I will be attending a proto-type meeting at Sun Star US offices, where
technical aspects of the metal die casting will be addressed.

	 -----------------------------Follow - Up------------------------

	The scheduled release of the Die-Cast Metal DeLorean is July 2001 in Hong
Kong

	The price range for the 1.18thscale model will be some where in the $24.99
to $29.95
	range. This is no pie in the sky deal, the manufactures now produce 31
different die-cast 
	metal car models. I understand the first run will be 70,000 units.

	A full physical measurement and foto survey of my DMC-12 is scheduled for
next week.
	I am now officially working as consultant for SSAI. Any DML member wishing
to contribute in 	some way should contact me privately at:
lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com.

	Just a brief note: I am having a terrible time with my e-mail and Total
immersion web site.
	If you have sent mail or fail to get into the web page, please be patient
- I am changing 	servers and should be on line soon. If you have not
received your limited edition please 
	relax, all kits have been produced so if you have purchased a kit you will
get it fairly soon.
	As soon as the DMC site is back up a detailed up date will be posted.

Thanks

Lee


CAUTION :   Any individual or group discharging a nuclear device or weapon 
inside Los Angeles city limits may be fined $500 - and/or serve 30 days in
county jail.

It's the LAW!



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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:55:19 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Registration DeLorean Car Show

This is the last call for registrations for the <A 
HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com">DeLorean Car Show "Year 200</A>" featuring 
Eastern Regional DeLorean Run 10
The latest date you can mail a registration for the show is Saturday and 
still have a chance to get registered.  Mail has been taking on average two 
to three business days and I am leaving for the show early Thursday morning.

Registrations have continued to come in and we could surpass the 250 people 
mark.
We will be close to 100 cars.

An agenda sheet and a reminder to which events you signed  up for will be 
handed out with the T-shirts on Thursday at Shooters if you are there or you 
can pick up your packet Friday when you register at the Holiday Inn.  If you 
haven't gotten your T-shirt at Shooters you can get them and any remaining 
packets on Friday evening at the Crawford or Saturday Morning at the 
registration table.

Your Rock and roll Hall of Fame tickets and Science Center tickets will also 
be in the Packet.  The Goodtime III is just a check in.  I will have all the 
tickets.  Times will be posted again in the registration packets. 

Look forward to seeing you there.  Who knows maybe we will do it again.

Ken





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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:00:41 -0400
From: Printed Drinkware Company <drinkware_at_dml_lweb.net>
Subject: axle seals/yokes

Would someone please advise the cross reference source for axle seals and yokes. 
These parts must have been originally used on another car and adopted by DMC. 
Thanks!

Marvin
#4239
drinkware_at_dml_lweb.net




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:45:28 PDT
From: "William H. Swilley" <billswilley_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: New DMC Engine Shake down Cruise

Just talked to Stephen in Houston, and made plans to link up with him and 
James Espey on the road to Cleveland.  James will be driving Gus's car, 
which now has most of the suspension upgrades and should have the new 
headers installed.  Latest report on the engine is that it is incredibly 
smooth with a strong, broad power band.  It is smoother running when cold 
than the stock engines, and I think DMC has come up with a winner here!  
Those of you who know my car, know that several years ago, I replaced the 
engine and incorporated a number of hot rod tricks.  While I have been very 
pleased with the increased performance, it does have some rough spots.  
Until the engine warms up, it tends to bog down a bit in the low rpm range.  
Even when warm, the low end torque is less than ideal, making it a bit of a 
challenge to come off the line quickly.  This new engine seems to have 
solved these issues while providing about 20 HP more!  Stephen and the boys 
at DMC have always told me that my car is faster than the turbo cars they 
service, so this new engine is looking pretty good indeed.

The drive to Cleveland should be interesting, to say the least!  Have you 
ever seen James drive, Gus?  (heh, heh)  Not to worry, son.  He's driven 
mine several times with no permanent damage.  So, while in Cleveland, be 
sure and check out DMC and Gus's car.

Bill Swilley
VIN: 4730
TX LIC: 81 DMC
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:19:30 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: PART NEDED

To All,

The following part is no longer available, we are trying to locate a replacement. Steering rack LH mounting assembly #110078. Part book location is 5/2/0 #12.
Be aware that the book incorrectly indicates this to be RH when it is actually LH.

If you have a parts car that has this item or by chance have one in your spare parts box email us directly.

Thanks, Alan

"We're here to help you"; See you in Cleveland!

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.
  


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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:31:59 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: My Delorean Stopped Dead in the Water

The connections at the fuel pump involve three different metals.
Electrolysis isn't unusual at that spot. Swathing the connections, after
they're tight, with di-electric silicone seems to be the best answer.

Bruce Benson

> It should not surprise anyone to learn that our fuel pump connectors are
> wearing out.  My car did the same thing earlier this year.  I thought it
> was the inertia switch, but it turned out to be the electrical
> connections to the fuel pump.  They do not last forever.  My advice is to
> cut the wires, go to a hardware store, and buy some sort of strong
> connector to replace it.
>
> Everyone should probably replace this connection in the next few years.
>
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 7 years
>
>
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>




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