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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 354
Date: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:18 AM

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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: NCT's in Concours
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>

2. RE: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>

3. Do You Know This Car, VIN 2928?
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

4. Anybody Wanna Fender to Play With?
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

5. Re: buzzing sound
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>

6. Lowering Questions
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Who wants to save the "hurt D"?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. Re: [doc] Prototype
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

9. Re: Re:Was NCT's in Concours Now Safety
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

10. N.Y. / Long Island DeLorean Owners
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. cost of frame
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

12. Re: Lowering the Front Springs
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. Fwd: [doc] Prototype
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

14. What I learned about painting fascias
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

15. RE: Re: NCT's in Concours
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

16. DeLorean mentioned in book
From: "scottmueller.al" <scottmueller.al_at_dml_netzero.net>

17. Re: Tracing the history of my Car (was What number owner are you?)
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

18. Re: Who wants to save the "hurt D"?
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

19. Re: What I learned about painting fascias
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Lowering Questions
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

21. Procours D'Coolness (an alternative to Concours)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

22. We the DML...Cool Idea for the Hurt D(Please Read)
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

23. Re: buzzing sound
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:58:21 -0500
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>
Subject: RE: Re: NCT's in Concours



-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A Levy [mailto:malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:10 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: NCT's in Concours

Marc Levy wrote:

> The point has been made, and I agree, that even if a good LOOKING set of
20 year
old tires are found, that in no way indicates that they are safe.

Frankly, I dont know why anyone would risk safety (or even reliability) for
a
trophy. <

A point that is often missed is that true concours class cars are not
driven.  Safety is not an issue.  At all.  Ever.  All you do is roll it
on the trailer, drag it to the show, roll it off the trailer, collect
your trophy, and reverse the process to get home.

Mike Griese
3335 County Road 15 SW
Byron, MN  55920
(507)281-1899




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:58:24 -0500
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>
Subject: RE: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.





> Robert, I only disagree slightly with what you said about BTTF.  I
didn't mean to say that the movies are the SOLE reason for the
car's existence and popularity today; obviously there would be
DeLoreans and DeLorean owners if the movies were never made.
But would the car be as recognizable, would there be as much
support for it and prices be lower if the movies were never around?
I may have to say yes to all that right now. <

You could make the argument that the BTTF movies have 
depressed the prices of DeLoreans by turning the car 
into a cartoon.

Mike Griese
3335 County Road 15 SW
Byron, MN  55920
(507)281-1899 





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:04:51 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Do You Know This Car, VIN 2928?

The car is an Aug. '81 build, with black int., rewired electical system,
auto tranny, 170 MPH speedo face,approx. 30,000 miles, and had 
all updates PLUS remote doors, car alarm, and a Sony CD Stereo,
price was $16,500.  The car was previously owned by a dentist here in 
North Ala., and had a vanity plate that read "NRGIZE", and before him a
Ford engineer
in NY had the the car since '81 and performed all the featured listed
above. 
I really would love who inherited this beautiful machine...it is the
first DeLorean
I have ever driven, and I sadly wish I could have afforded her the first
time around.
If anyone knows the whereabouts of this car, please let me know.  It
would mean a lot.

Thanks guys,
Robert G.
deloreandude(at)juno.com
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:06:10 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Anybody Wanna Fender to Play With?

[MODERATOR's NOTE: Robert, there is a place on the Mailing List web site to advertise cars, parts and wants: www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html]


Hi list,
  I have a slightly damaged right front fender that I'll let go for
$450+S&H
It's taking up too much space in the dining room floor. : (
It's clean, the skid stripe has been removed, and the only damage to it
looks to be easily repairable.  The front  part where the reflector would

be on the bottom half is pushed in...that's it basically, it has just
been 
pushed in!  The piece where the strip meets the fascia is slightly pushed

back, approx. causing a 2 in. long piece to be pulled to be straight. 
The 
damage looks pretty minimal while looking at it;  the panel looks as if
it
were to be heated, the front bottom 1/4 (where the damage is) could be 
pulled out and be put back onto a car.  
  Something else you could do (if you do not want to repair it) is use it
to
sample paint colors if you ever wanted to paint your car.  Just think,
having 
very own palatte to test the right color on!  : )  Anyway, what I'm
saying is I need 
some money and would love for an owner to have it .  E-mail me if you may
be 
interested!

Thanks Everyone,
Robert G.
deloreandude(at)juno.com
"Keep it real...drive stainless steel!"
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:32:51 +0100
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: buzzing sound

Greg Bell wrote:
> 
> I went to start # 10054 for the first time in about a month yesterday,
> first of all the battery was dead so I jumped it off. As soon as it
> started, I heard an odd buzzing sound coming from somewhere in what sounded
> the front driver's portion of the car.

Greg,
I know what you mean, I have the same strange sound but unfortunately I
can not tell you what it is. A member of our club thought it had
something to do with the vacuumlines of the heating.
With me the sound isn't constant. I have a battery cut-off switch that I
turn off every time to be on the safe side(I use my car as a daily
driver) maybe you can use one as well.;-)
If I turn my switch to 'on' then, every once in a while, it makes the
strange noise but it doesn't last. Now I haven't heard it in a while.
I hope someone can tell us where to look.

Mads
VIN#06881
Netherlands



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:42:41
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Lowering Questions


I have purchased the lowering springs for both front and rear from DMC 
Houston and will install them soon.

However, I do have some questions - Why are some vendors selling lowering 
springs for the front only and not for the rear?

I also have heard the story that the DeLorean was raised in front to 
accomodate an expected change in the Dept. of Transportation's standard for 
bumper height - yet that change never happened. Is this story true?

Did DMC only raise the front or did they also raise the rear?

I know it seems logical to maybe lower the front only based on the story, 
but then again,you'd have new springs in front and 20 year old springs in 
rear.

I'm certain that DMC Houston know what they're doing, yet I began to think 
why they chose to lower the rear also. James?

So - can anyone on this list tell the pros and cons for
1) Only lowering the front
2) Lowering both the front and rear

Should the rear be lowered at all?

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:43:46
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Who wants to save the "hurt D"?

I'd like to get some feedback on this very very "crazy" 
suggestion...Although this may never have been done before, does not mean it 
wouldn't work...

First, let me say that James' figures of how costly it would be to get the 
car back to shape is very truly.

Second, I doubt anyone will buy it.

Third, wait too long and the dealer will simply wreck it.

In other words, better to part this car out instead of letting it die 
completely. The spirit of the lost VIN will live on in each part :)

Now, here's the idea which CAN work:
19 people on this list can buy this car for $400,-
38 people on this list could buy this car for $200,-
75 people on this list could buy this car for $100,-
150 people on this list could buy this car for $50,-
And this list has 1200(?) subscribers?

Think about it...

What we would need is a coordinator with storage space and who lives near 
Octagon Auto.

The car could be parted out, and one could in advance agree who needed what 
parts. I, for instance, would be happy if I got the hood. Who knows? MAYBE 
those interested wanted different parts! What a buy!

Since I came up with this crazy idea, I'll be willing to coordinate 
everyone's wishes for parts. But I'd need an American D-owner who lives 
close to Octagon Auto, who could go there and buy it, part it out and 
shipping parts away.

So...if you'd like to be a part of this project please e-mail me privately 
and use this address: DELOREAN_at_dml_ONLINE.NO

I'm confident that there is a good DeLorean-spirit out there. Come on, let's 
not let this car end up as stainless nails....

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759


>From: "DMC Wannabe" <jzd_88mph_at_dml_yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Hurt D for sale, please save!
>Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:21:03 -0000
>
>   Dear List,
>   Below is a link to pics of a hurt D that needs a new home. Please
>do NOT visit this link if you are easily upset at images of hurt D's
>(I cried when I visited). The car is selling for $7,500. That is all
>the info I have at this time. I would buy this car and save it if I
>could but sadly do not have the money at this time.
>  http://www.octagonauto.com/images/delorenrear.jpg
>    DMC Wannabe
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:38:44 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: [doc] Prototype

VERY interesting pictures of one of the Bill Collins prototypes (I 
think there were two or three all together, one of which I think 
is/was in a near death state at Lotus) - wish there was some 
indication of the date and location at which they were taken. It 
appears to have sat for a period of time prior to the photo being 
taken - look at all the dust in the interior and under the car, the 
floor has been swept up around it as well. The cardboard under the 
cars indicates that they at least THOUGHT it would leak something.

Notice the other DeLorean parked behind it? Missing a grille, like 
the one of the pre-production cars that was sold at the 
Barrett-Jackson auction in Arizona a few years back (see photos here: 
http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/Prototype/prototype.html) and the way 
the side marker lights go all they way to the edge of the fender are 
the same, too.

James

>All,
>
>In my travels I came across this site,
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/3591726cSqAdKCNyW
>
>Check it out, it's quite interesting (I've never seen these pictures
>myself).
>
>Dan Willis, VIN#5641



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:41:30 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re:Was NCT's in Concours Now Safety

"jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net" wrote:

> In concours safety is not the primary
> issue, origionality and authenticity is.

Absolutely.  Imagine going to the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance and
seeing a million dollar 1932 Duesenberg . . . with seatbelts, airbags, and
antilock brakes.  It would be ridiculous.

Generally, safety at a concours means fire extinguishers, much like a car
show.

Last weekend I visited a garage that prepares *serious* concours
competition cars.  I believe that the body work alone on one beautiful car
I saw exceeded the GDP of the Nation of Nauru.  Mere millionaires need not
waste their time.

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:26:41
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: N.Y. / Long Island DeLorean Owners


Hello, I'm helping a friend to look for a DeLorean in NY. We've found one, 
but we would like to have someone go and have a look at it.

If you think you are knowledgeable on DeLoreans and know what to look for on 
used DeLoreans pros and cons, maybe you could help us by looking the car 
over and give a brief report. Please email me privately. Thanks!

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:53:42 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: cost of frame

WHat is a reasonable price to pay for a frame in perfect condition?

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:55:40
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lowering the Front Springs

I've read alittle about that, I think you can do it, but you also have to 
get different shocks though. But thats just alittle of what i've have read 
in the back issues.
John
                         __      __
                           \____/
                           /____\
                           0    0
                          DeLorean

>From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Lowering the Front Springs
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:06:46 -0500
>
>I read in Delorean World that you could lower the front end of simply 
>cutting
>a couple of coils off of the original springs, rather than buying the new
>lowered springs.  Has anyone had any success with this? and is it reliable?
>
>Thanks
>   Willie
>   Vin 5043
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:25:36 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Fwd: [doc] Prototype

Interesting photos of one of the Bill Collins prototypes - no idea of 
the age of the photos or the location they were taken.

James

>
>All,
>
>In my travels I came across this site,
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/3591726cSqAdKCNyW
>
>Check it out, it's quite interesting (I've never seen these pictures
>myself).
>
>Dan Willis, VIN#5641



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:38:49 -0800
From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: What I learned about painting fascias

I used some of my holiday to learn how to paint fascias and thought I would
share a couple of the key learnings from my adventure. Thanks to Ken
Koncelick who provided a lot of very helpful tips and gave me the confidence
to give this a try.

I had a lot of fun with it and learned a couple valuable lessons:

1) My shop is not as clean as I like to think -- regardless of how clean I
kept everything, it wasn't clean enought for a flawless finish due to dust
flecks. I didn't get any fisheyes, but I did get some dust flecks. I havent
cut the clearcoat yet to take the orange peel out and expect that the
imperfections from the dust flecks will rub out as well as I cut the
topcoat. I not only had a really clean shop to start with, but built a paint
tent around my work area in order to avoid overspray from getting all over
my shop and to also keep the dust down.

2) Surface preparation is really the name of the game -- I thought I got a
pretty darn good surface as I stripped my fascia down to bare plastic,
however minor scuff marks in the underlying plastic fascia are really hard
to get to disappear by sanding down an overlying paint layer

3) Good tools really help -- I was really happy with the Binks HVLP spray
gun I bought. It really made getting even coverage easy and was a joy to
use. The controls for amount of material and spray pattern were easily
adjustable and were not overly finicky in getting good settings to lay down
an even coat. Although orange peel is expected, I was pleased that I got
what I consider a pretty good coverage with minimal orange peel that can
readily be buffed out.

4) Good protective equipment is essential -- in my paint tent I would have
asphyxiated without a good respirator. I made the mistake of not having a
hood over my head and the clearcoat did a pretty good job of serving as
semi-permanent hairspray. For those of you that have met me and know
my hair situation, you probably realize this is not a pretty picture.

5) Get enough paint on for it to get "wet" and flow properly -- I was a
little too timid on my first coat of basecoat and did not lay down enough
material for the paint to flow and get "wet". Fortunatley I intended to sand
this layer for the purpose of smooting out minor defects and scuffs in the
underlying pastic fascia. The next coat went on properly to yield a good wet
coat without putting so much on that I got any sags.

I have a couple minor defects that I will be fixing through a couple means.
I have very mile orange peel that I have not yet cut and I have a few minor
dust flecks in the clearcoat that I also expect will be fixed when I cut the
clearcoat. Currently the fascia is also incredibly glossy (looks like it is
totally wet), but I have yet to cut the clearcoat and expect that by
experimenting with a couple different cutting compounds I'll arrive at the
proper grit to yield the satin finish expected for the fascia.

As you can probably tell I had fun with this. I didn't save any money doing
it myself as the cost of materials and equipment completely offset the
cost of a new fascia, but that was not the intent -- I wanted to have fun
acutally doing the repaint. As many of you might already know, with me the
tools are the end and the projects are only the means.

		Knut





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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:59:47 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: RE: Re: NCT's in Concours

Thank you Mike!!!

In order to facilitate the discussion of the concours in a forum for 
those that understand what it is about and what it is not about, I'll 
limit further postings on this subject as much as possible to the 
"Millennium" concours list. DML moderator Dave Swingle is also on 
that list, and I'll leave it to his judgement what is relevant for 
the more general discussions here on the DML.

TO join the free Concours discussion list, go to:

http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/millennium-concours

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>
>A point that is often missed is that true concours class cars are not
>driven.  Safety is not an issue.  At all.  Ever.  All you do is roll it
>on the trailer, drag it to the show, roll it off the trailer, collect
>your trophy, and reverse the process to get home.
>
>Mike Griese
>3335 County Road 15 SW
>Byron, MN  55920
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:18:33 -0600
From: "scottmueller.al" <scottmueller.al_at_dml_netzero.net>
Subject: DeLorean mentioned in book


FWIW--Today, I purchased a used book that mentioned John DeLorean and the
DeLorean Car.  The photo was nice but the text was not very flattering.
"CARS OF THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES" by G.N. Georgano, Crescent Books 1990.
The book itself is interesting.



Scott Mueller
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:35:09 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Tracing the history of my Car (was What number owner are you?)

Marc A Levy wrote:

> If you know what state the car came from, you can usually purchase copies of all
> the related paperwork from the state DMV.

I just found out the car is from somewhere in or around Miami,
but how would I obtain this paperwork as a foreigner?
I'm not from the USA, so I would guess the DMV could be quite reluctant on
geving me the info I want (If I could get hold of the right people in the first place)

Thanks for the help,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
------------------------------
PS. I've also learned of a hidden 50 Dollar-note the previous owner found underneath
the ashtray. He wanted to give me the bill as a part of the cars' history,
but his house got burgled and the $50 are gone now... Too bad...



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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:45:18 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Who wants to save the "hurt D"?

I don't think that pooling our money in an effort to part the car out 
ourselves is the answer. If you put $400 in and walk away with a 
fender, that's great! But to put it bluntly, it would totally suck if 
I put 50 bucks in and all I got was a light bulb and a fist full of 
bolts. It would create more problems then it is intended to solve. It 
just ends up being a "kinder" way of dismantling the car then the 
current owner has in mind. Will Octogon Auto really chop the car up? 
Who knows. I love DeLoreans, and everyone here has pretty much read 
my postings and knows how I feel about parting cars out. But if the 
owner is going to destroy the car, then there's nothing that can be 
done. It is possible that he may just making these comments just to 
rile someone into buying the car in order to "save" it. The best we 
could do at this point is call his bluff. Either he'll lower the 
price of the car, send it to an auction/junkyard, or he will do as he 
says and will cut the car apart. If he does the latter, then I would 
advise that no one buy the parts from him, or any junk yard or 
dismantler that he sells them too. I believe that you should always 
help great bussinesses such as DMC Joe and DMC Houston. And I stick 
by the opposite for bussinesses that treat people unfairly. Making 
statements like 'If you don't buy this car, I'm going to rip it 
apart.' isn't right. It's like walking into a pet store and the guy 
behind the counter saying to a child if they don't buy the puppy, 
he's going to have to kill it. That's not the way you should do 
bussiness. Some one else on the list here posted something about a 
bad experience with Octogon Auto and one of their affiliates. I'm 
sure that if a little more digging is done some other little tidbits 
could be found. If he does destroy this car, I'd hate to see him do 
it to another. Perhaps if things don't go to plan a little "SOS" is 
in order. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

-Robert
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:12:03 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: What I learned about painting fascias

Knut,
You may start a fashion trend with your "Delorean gray" highlights to your 
hair!  Now if you could only find some stainless steel pants and shirt. You 
might want to get a hold of some old NCT's and make some concour approved 
sandals.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:42:01 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Lowering Questions

In answer to Stian Birkeland's questions:

I understand that DMC only raised the front and left the rear alone.  Even
in the sales literature, photos of the car show that the front wheels have
noticeably more clearance in the fender than does the rear.

I've heard variations on the theme regarding minimum height requirements.
Some say it was bumper height; others say it was headlight height.  I think
the correct answer can be found in the book 'Grand Delusions'.  I remember
reading about it in this book, but for the life of me I can't remember if it
was bumper or headlight.  If I remember correctly, I think the book was
ambigious.  Does anyone know for sure AND can proove it?

The fact that you got 4 new springs is interesting because before I bought
my springs, I gave DMC Houston a call.  The man I spoke to (I don't remember
his name) said that he sells lowering kits but these only consisted of lower
front springs and nothing more.  And he did not recommend lowering the rear
either.  He also said that he was out of stock and to call back in several
weeks.  I was disappointed, confused and impatient, so I called PJ Grady.  I
originally thought that the rear should be lowered as well, but Rob Grady
talked me out of it.  He said that he thought that the extra weight of
loading his BRG Delorean up for trips in addition to lowering the rear
suspension would put the car too low.  He had the lower front springs in
stock and ready to ship, so I bought them.  This all transpired several
months ago, so I'm curious to know what the DMC Houston rear springs are
like.  Can anyone say if they are lower or softer or stiffer?  Or maybe they
are just new
springs that meet OEM geometry?

I do not think of springs as a 'wear item'.  I have heard of similar springs
breaking on non-Deloreans, but I have never heard of one wearing out, i.e.
loosing its spring properties unless maybe you are doing some rough off-road
stuff.  Can anyone correct me?  When I replaced my rear shocks, I noticed a
1" piece of spring that broke off of one end.  The piece was sitting in the
lower spring cup.  I thought this was rather strange, but it didn't seem to
compromise he way the spring seats.  So I didn't let it worry me.  Does
anyone have opinions on this?


If you go to all the trouble to replace your rear springs, (it's a tedious
and potentially dangerous job getting the springs compressed depending on
your experience and tools available) I highly recommend replacing the shocks
while you are at it.  You can't remove one without removing the other.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:17:03 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Procours D'Coolness (an alternative to Concours)

This is NOT about Concours.

I think that there are enough people out there who want to put their
Delorean in a contest, but the Concours is not appropriate.

So how about we start a second contest to see who has the coolest car?
Instead of penalizing someone for upgrading and modifying/improving, let's
have a contest that specifically rewards for this sort of behavior.

The highest score would go to the Delorean with best fixes for known weak
spots and factory defects.  Extra credit would go for fitting in new engines
and transmissions depending on if weight distributions and safety are not
compromised.  Standard extra points would be awarded for heavy duty window
motors, cross-drilled brake rotors, lowered suspension, stainless steel
braided clutch line, etc.  More extra credit would be given for technology
improvements such as convex passenger side mirror, electro-chromatic
rear-view mirror, alarm system, etc.

For example, a 140 amp police alternator would get more points than a 105
amp Motorola.  But it would loose points if the mounting modifications
looked sloppy.

With the exception of upsetting the concours museum lovers, I think such a
competition is what everyone else is itching for.  By the way -- you would
loose points for bringing your car in on a trailer!  It must be driven to
the show!  How about it?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:34:16 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: We the DML...Cool Idea for the Hurt D(Please Read)

Hello list!
  You know, Stian has a good point when it comes to a joint effort on
buying the hurt D, but instead of parting it out, why don't we all pull
together, 
send it to Houston, and bring it back to life and display it at the 2002
Memphis 
Show as a "trophy" to show of our true love for the car.....just think,
we the DML, 
adopting an orphaned, crippled DeLorean and slowly nursing it back to
life, 
then giving it another chance to shine in all it's stainless steel glory!
 IMHO, John Z.
would be proud of the way the DeLorean pulled together to let another
Dream to Live
again!

  C'mon guys, let's bring this beautiful car back to life, and display it
to the world in '02
as the Official DeLorean of the Mailing List!

Thanks for your time, patience, and attention,
Robert G.
"Official DeLorean Lover"

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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:58:14 -0500
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Re: buzzing sound

The buzzing noise could be froming the door.  Their are two door sensors,
one for the lights and the other for a buzzer sound to notify the driver
that the door is ajar.  I unplugged my buzzer from the door, but every once
in a while, when i go around a turn in comes on and i have to seperated the
wires.

Hope that helps.
Willie
Vin 5043
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] buzzing sound


> Greg Bell wrote:
> >
> > I went to start # 10054 for the first time in about a month yesterday,
> > first of all the battery was dead so I jumped it off. As soon as it
> > started, I heard an odd buzzing sound coming from somewhere in what
sounded
> > the front driver's portion of the car.
>
> Greg,
> I know what you mean, I have the same strange sound but unfortunately I
> can not tell you what it is. A member of our club thought it had
> something to do with the vacuumlines of the heating.
> With me the sound isn't constant. I have a battery cut-off switch that I
> turn off every time to be on the safe side(I use my car as a daily
> driver) maybe you can use one as well.;-)
> If I turn my switch to 'on' then, every once in a while, it makes the
> strange noise but it doesn't last. Now I haven't heard it in a while.
> I hope someone can tell us where to look.
>
> Mads
> VIN#06881
> Netherlands
>
>
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