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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 357
Date: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:46 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Gold DeLorean for sale
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>

2. Re: SS Header (coolant) bottle
From: milestwo_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: Who wants to save the "hurt D"?
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

4. Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. RE: Custom Door Handles
From: toscano2_at_dml_ix.netcom.com

6. Re: Lowering Questions
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

7. Re: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>

8. Re: Re: NCT's in Concours
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

9. problem solved
From: "Jeff " <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>

10. Re: Procours D'Coolness (an alternative to Concours)
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

11. Re: Re: Lowering Questions
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

12. Re: suspension and springs (long)
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

13. Re: Octa. D... Then Donate Some to Charity!
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: No Air
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. Cleveland T-Shirts
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>

17. Escaping from a rolled DeLorean
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

18. Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

19. Re: Re: [doc] Prototype
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

20. Cruise Control
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

21. Re: Re: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

22. RE: Cruise Control
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

23. Re: Re: suspension and springs (long)
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: Escaping from a rolled DeLorean
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

25. DeLorean sighting pics uploaded
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:35:20 +0100
From: "M.C. de Bruin" <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: Re: Gold DeLorean for sale

If you look closely you can see that the cigarette lighter is on the
left side and it is supposed to be on the right side. The picture has
probably been mirrored. It looks like you are looking at the left side
of the car but it is actually the right side. Also notice the lights off
switch(?) at the side of the dashboard. There are supposed to be two on
the driversside.

Mads de Bruin
VIN#06881
Netherlands


Brian Henderlong wrote:
> 
> >FYI The 1983 Gold DeLorean is for sale in Maryland for $250,000.
> >VIN #20105.  http://bigtexas.com/dmc/gold/
> 
> While looking at the photos on this site, I noticed that the door-sill VIN
> plate appears to be missing.  Anyone know why?
> - Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL / 1995 DGGM
> - DeLorean: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm
> - Impala SS: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/brakes.htm
> 
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:12:02 EST
From: milestwo_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: SS Header (coolant) bottle

P. G. Grady has them, they are really nice.
Lloyd---#3502


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 04:56:52 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Who wants to save the "hurt D"?



>Does anybody know WHAT vin # that delorean is,if it is a VERY low 
vin 
>number (in the 500-648 series vin number)then it 

Just want to say that I went to Octagons web site,and from what I 
could see from their web site,that they would think nothing of 
parting out that Delorean,as they parted out a Viper and are in the 
process of parting out a Ferrari 412,so for them it is nothing but a 
means of making a profit,wheater to sell it whole or part it out,also 
they claim it as a 1982 Delorean even if it has the gas flap hood.

Claude 000570 




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:39:19
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle?


In response to James' comments... HEAR HEAR! :-) Speech of the year!
Finally the true story!

Looking forward now to install my DMC Houston lowering springs
*BIG SMILE*

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:11:17 -0500
From: toscano2_at_dml_ix.netcom.com
Subject: RE: Custom Door Handles

The recently posted message reminded me of something...

A couple years ago I was interested in recuing a car (can't recall the VIN but I have it somewhere) from a couple named Fred and Jean Board in Florida. I spoke to Fred many times on the phone as I evaluated the car and he mentioned it had some kind of special factory door handles, in addition to the factory "un-PC" speedometer. 
What's the story on those? Myth?

I also recall perhaps two months ago someone on this list mentioned Fred's car is still for sale...anyone purchase it?



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:39:21 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Lowering Questions

I have the complete set of DMC Houston springs in my car, and I am happy with
them.  Even with the large speaker box and 3 amplifiers sitting on the rear
deck, the car rides fine.

I purchased the entire set of 4 because when I purchased my car it had the "cut
and swap" setup, so the rear springs needed to be replaced anyway (they had been
cut!)  My DeLorean is the only DeLorean I have driven for any extended period of
time.  I can compare the cut/swap setup to the DMC Houston setup and tell you
the DMC Houston setup was a improvement..  I cant compare it to the stock setup,
or just lowering the front..

I have always seen positive comments about the front lowering springs from
Grady, but when I did it I figured I would give the Houston springs a try
because I needed to replace all 4 anyway.

BTW, I still have my old springs if anyone is interested in buying them. :)


Walter wrote:
<SNIP>
> stock and ready to ship, so I bought them.  This all transpired several
> months ago, so I'm curious to know what the DMC Houston rear springs are
> like.  Can anyone say if they are lower or softer or stiffer?  Or maybe they
> are just new
> springs that meet OEM geometry?
> 
<SNIP>



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:12:11 -0700
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>
Subject: Re: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.

Mike,  Higher prices is of course what all DeLorean owners want to see.
This time around with the BTTF subject it was more about the affects of the
movie on the car and how popular it might be both with and without BTTF not
so much on how it affected the price of our cars, although all things
considered even that has to be a positive.  The subject was whether or not
the DeLorean would be as popular and recognizable without the movies.  As I
stated before, I believe the movies certainly had a positive affect.

All one has to do is consider what it would be like without Hollywood's
decision to use the DeLorean and it becomes clear that people would only
know our car as something that came from a failed venture by a former GM
executive, or worse, from a company that went broke because the boss got
caught dealing in Cocaine.

That truly would be the limit of recognition or association and it wouldn't
be a very positive thing or the way I would care to have my car remembered.
It's either that scenario or world wide acceptance in a very positive light.
I fail to see why a certain few are seemingly almost afraid to admit these
movies helped the image of the DeLorean.  If nothing else there was no harm
done in my view.

Just my opinion

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232





 Mike - It doesn't matter what other people think the
 cars are worth - it matters what other people PAY.

 Mike Griese





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:26:54 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Re: NCT's in Concours

James,

Can I ask what the purpose of the question to the list was for then?  It seems
like you had already made your decision before posting the question.

Marc


James Espey wrote:
> 
> Thank you Mike!!!
> 
> In order to facilitate the discussion of the concours in a forum for
> those that understand what it is about and what it is not about, I'll
> limit further postings on this subject as much as possible to the
> "Millennium" concours list. DML moderator Dave Swingle is also on
> that list, and I'll leave it to his judgement what is relevant for
> the more general discussions here on the DML.
> 
<SNIP>



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:32:10 -0000
From: "Jeff " <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: problem solved

I finally got my car running!  I figured I would start from the 
begining and replace the plugs and wires.  That did the trick.  I 
have never had a car go completely dead all of a sudden due to plugs 
and wires.  I usually experienced running rough and missing as a 
forewarning.

Anyhow, now onto the next item.  I have heard talk that the aux. air 
valve is the same as the one found on a particular Volvo.  I have 
also heard that it is not the same.  Does anyone have any first hand 
knowledge?

Thanks
Jeff  




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:37:45 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Procours D'Coolness (an alternative to Concours)

Walter wrote:

> So how about we start a second contest to see
> who has the coolest car?  Instead of penalizing
> someone for upgrading and modifying/improving, let's
> have a contest that specifically rewards for this sort
> of behavior.

This idea sounds like an expansion of the "People's Choice" category.  Many car
shows, including Ken Koncelik's, allow spectators to vote for a People's Choice
car.  Unless you can ressurect James Dean, the best way to get a well-accepted
judgement of coolness would be to ask the spectators to select the "coolest"
custom DeLorean.

If I am reading Walter as he intended, there would need to be other
sub-categories of People's Choice awards.  Maybe "Fastest Looking DeLorean" and
"Most Attractive Paintjob on a DeLorean" as well as other categories.  This
could be done, and it  might be fun.  Is this what you meant, Walter?

> The highest score would go to the Delorean with
> best fixes for known weak spots and factory defects.
> Extra credit would go for fitting in new engines and
> transmissions depending on if weight distributions
> and safety are not compromised.  Standard extra
> points would be awarded for heavy duty window
> motors, cross-drilled brake rotors, lowered suspension,
> stainless steel braided clutch line, etc.  More extra credit
> would be given for technology improvements such as
> convex passenger side mirror, electro-chromatic
> rear-view mirror, alarm system, etc.

Unfortunately, I believe this would be impractical.  Who would develop these
standards?  How would we decide if the standards are good?

James Espey and the people at DMC Houston put a LOT of work into their Millenium
Concours judging criteria.  Considering the universe of modifications that are
available, it would take many times more work to put together the new criteria
that Walter suggests, and I doubt that the effort would be rewarded.

Which is worth more points, a convex mirror or a Fanzilla?  What about a
stainless steel frame?  Whoever established these standards would first have to
resolve a hornet's nest of controversy over safety, reliability, and other
issues.  I believe that it is impossible to answer some of these questions.

What if someone built their own gas guage sender from scratch?  Would the judges
subject that guage to statistical analysis, perhaps a lengthy reliability and
repeatability study, to determine whether it was better than a Tankzilla?

I cannot imagine anyone putting in the effort needed to evaluate all
customizations just for the DeLorean marque.  If someone wants their car
subjected to this sort of judging, their best bet might be to enter their
DeLorean in a Hot Rod show, where the standards are less marque specific.

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:07:16 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Lowering Questions

This is a BAD idea.  The front springs were not designed to handle the weight of
the engine.

If you want to lower the rear, you can get the modified shock's from the club,
or PJ Grady.  You can then move the spring seat lower, and lower the car with
your stock rear spring.

Steve Rubano wrote:
<SNIP>
> If someone really wanted to lower the rear, then they could save
> themselves allot of money by doing the following:
> Buy a set of front lowering springs and install them in the front,
> take the old OEM front speings that were on the car and put them in
> the rear.
<SNIP>



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:52:57 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: suspension and springs (long)

This may offend some people and I appoligize if it does so in anyway, 
just venting in some parts of this post:

With all this talk about lowering, I found a good site that explains 
a good amount of technical aspects of suspensions. Most of it you 
guys may already know. 

http://www.findarticles.com/m0BUX/3_31/59457898/p1/article.jhtml

Take note on the bottom of page 4, it talks about cutting springs.

It comes down to this, if you want a high performance suspension than 
one has to be engineered from the ground up. You can't just simply 
replace springs and expect a miracle. You have to get springs and 
shocks that are matched (ex. stiffer springs, stiffer shocks). Also 
what would come into play is the Anti Roll bar for some good 
cornering. Rob at PJ Grady has designed excellent replacement shocks 
where they are adjustable. If your suspension setup requires a 
stiffer shock than you can "pump it up" so to speak. This allows you 
to adjust and fine tune your shocks to your vehicle, even if your 
springs are "worn". James makes a good point with that DMC Houston 
designed an entire shock/spring package to replace the front and 
rears so that it was matched. How much of the rear is lowered with 
the new shocks? I doubt that Lotus engineers just crammed larger 
crappier springs into the Delorean so it wouldn't outperform the 
Lotus..if that is true than I would think that they would have 
changed other things too. The reason why I say that is because 
springs and shocks are an easy to thing to change, especially in an 
engineering environment. It's not something that requires extreme 
modification to the chassis, trailing arms, ect. I think Lotus would 
have made other changes to insure that it wasn't that easy to modify 
the Delorean to "outperform" the Lotus. If Delorean engineers caught 
on they very well could have used the existing setup of the car as a 
standard one and offer a sport performance package with a different 
spring and shock setup (as other manufactures do).Rob and DMC Joe's 
lowering springs are VERY well made and are in sense a "sport" 
performance upgrade to the vehicle. They are allot stiffer than the 
stock ones (as Nick Pitello will tell you). I guess you can say that 
it is a preference. Yes ANY spring will deteriorate after time, 
especially ones that have been under load for over 20 years! Elements 
take affect on springs (or anything else metal) and do weaken it, as 
Walter noted finding that a part cracked off of one of his springs. 
It's not an item on the car that requires replacing after so many 
miles, but does require replacement at some time when they start 
showing their age. If the springs were so inferior as James pointed 
out then there would have been allot more failures sooner that after 
20 years. Every car is going to look different especially when you 
look at different ones from state to state. A New York Delorean (or 
any other car) with a Stock setup WILL generally look lower next to 
another Stock D from another state. Why? Because we have THE worst 
roads here, just full of pot holes that wreak havoc on any suspension 
on any car...causing them to wear out prematurely. I am certain that 
if someone in the NY area installs the upgrade suspension from DMC 
Houston and another D owner in another state with better roads 
installed the same package....after a given amount of years you put 
the two of them side by side you will see in fact that the NY D will 
sit slightly lower (that is given that they are daily driven D's). 
That's why you noticed that all of the "stock D's" that you were 
referring too at the show were all sitting at different heights and 
it looked "wavy". 

It has become evident to me that since I've owned my Delorean (over 
2.5 years now, still wet behind the ears on it) as the years go by, 
I've noticed that some Delorean vendors are starting to compete with 
one another instead of working with each other (hey Ed you reading 
this?). For one example, and I quote: "When we decided to do a 
suspension improvement kit, we wanted to do it the right way, and not 
make a "cheapie" set of front springs only kit." I wouldn't 
say "cheapie" set, they are very well made. If I want to only lower 
my front and improve the fronts handling and feel that the rear of my 
car is fine "as is" that is my decision. What you are saying is that 
I am "cheaping out" because I am not spending over $600 on a set of 
four springs? I don't cheap out when it comes to repairing my D (or 
any other car for that fact). If I want to replace something I do the 
research. If I feel that a part on the car is to flimsy I have it 
made. I have had allot of feedback from people who have replaced 
their front springs with the so called "cheapie" replacements and 
they rave about them...I have yet to come across someone who has said 
anything negative about them. If there is some negative feed back 
about them I would like to here from those people,DMCMAN73[at]
Hotmail.com. 

On another notes James, why is it when I emailed you about the pre-
cut lighted door keys you were quick (within the hour no less) to 
respond to me to sell me one, but when I emailed you back a few 
minutes later with a question about my locks, thinking someone 
changed them, you never emailed me back? I emailed you to more times 
after that, that was over 2 months ago. You don't have to worry about 
answering it now, I got the answer I needed from Rob, with a quick 
tutorial on them to. I figured you would get this question on this 
post since maybe your email isn't working or you just don't have the 
time to answer one simple question.

Steve (just venting his anger)
VIN# 003365 (in case any D "vendor" wants to blacklist it)






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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:04:32 -0000
From: "John Dore" <dmcjohn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Octa. D... Then Donate Some to Charity!

****  Moderator's Note ****
We seem to have run out of new things to say about the
totalled DeLorean at Octagon Spares.  Unless someone wants
to actually start doing something about it, please consider 
this thread closed.   Mike G - Moderator of the Week


Hey Tyler,
I see your point, but my point was that it would be great publicity 
for the car, to show classic car enthuiasts that there is a very 
strong support network for these great cars. Nearly everyone likes 
the looks of the DeLorean, but few know much about them - so in 
attracting people to www.dmcnews.com to find out more about the car, 
we might dispel some of the myths about the car that are keeping it's 
value and reputation down. I personally have no interest in raising 
the value of a DeLorean, as I do not own one yet, but when I do get 
one (next summer) it's for keeps, so even then I won't care how much 
they sell for. All I would be interested in is showing the world what 
a great car it is, and this can only be achieved by good publicity, 
and having the cars seen on the road more often instead of sitting 
for years in a dusty barn. 
Sure, one person in particular would benefit from the raffle, but so 
would the DeLorean marque, and over time this also translates to 
anyone fortunate enough to own a DeLorean as values increase. 
Best wishes,
John Dore, Ireland.
VIN # soon!


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> You may all think that I am a rotten person for saying this, but 
this 
> is really heading in the wrong direction.<
>snip
> I have a problem with the raffle 
> because my money would be used to fund a D that someone else is 
> driving around. No one person should benefit from saving the Octa. 
> DeLorean. 
> 
> Tyler (bad person)
> #3472





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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:29:22 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: No Air

Joel,

If you hear "hissing" sounds emanating from the AC mode switch as you rotate
the selector knob the switch is defective and needs to be replaced.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<www.geocities.com/dmcjoe>

----- Original Message -----
From: W.D.SEARLS, JR. <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:29 AM
Subject: [DML] No Air


> On my Delorean, when I run the interior blower fan it doesn't produce much
> if any air at all. I tried both the heat and ac on fan speed 4 and very
> little air comes out? What is problem? Do I have a broken tube somewhere?
>
> Joel
>
> 03121





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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:52:04 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Cleveland T-Shirts

Recently I have had a few e-mail requests for the T-shirts that I had at the 
Cleveland DeLorean Car Show. 
They are still available 
If you would like them at the same price as at the show they are available.
E-mail me privately if interested.  There are about 20 left.


Ken

<A HREF="deloreancarshow.com">DeLorean Car Show (Graceland)</A>



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:24:32 -0800
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>
Subject: Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)

James Espey wrote:

<snip>  If any of us wanted an "adequate" car, we wouldn't have bought DeLoreans!
<snip>

James,
    I was under the impression that you sold your DeLorean.  Have you purchased
another???

Mike Hirko
Kelso   WA
vin 1387








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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:16:37 -0000
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Escaping from a rolled DeLorean

A friend of mine was recently involved in a car crash, fortunately he
emerged unhurt, anyway it was a Peugeot 306 and it was rolled onto it's roof
as a result of the accident. If this were to happen to a DeLorean, obviously
we hope it never does, is it possible to escape?, surely you could not open
the doors if the car was on its roof.
Any ideas.


Regards


Jim





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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:23:15 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)

I can guarantee they aren't made by the same company. Our shocks and 
springs are manufactured exclusively for us to resell by a British 
firm. I have no idea where PJ Grady gets the products they are 
selling.

We only sell the springs as a set of four, since they were designed 
to be used together.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>I would like to know if the PJ Grady front springs & custom shocks are made
>by the same outfit that makes DMC Houston's.  If I bought only the rear
>springs from DMC Houston, would they match with the front springs I already
>bought from PJ Grady?  Since I recently got my new rear shocks on, I hate to
>take it apart again just to replace the springs.  But the rear driver's side
>of my car does sit about 6mm lower than the right.  The lower side is the
>one that had the chard break off the spring too.  I think it has gotten
>worse since I compressed the springs to change the shocks.  Since the new
>shocks are adjustable, I could lower the right to compensate, but I would
>rather fix the root of the problem.  I feel like I'm the only one who
>notices, but to me it is painfully obvious from a distance.



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:58:37 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [doc] Prototype

The picture of the delorean prototype with the tan interior and knee pads was
one of the air bag equiped delorean. It was most likely crashed tested both for
demonstrating the crashworthiness as well as the air bag effectiveness.

There is a video of the crash testing.

Bob




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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:07:29 -0500
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Cruise Control

As I continue with my attempt to install my cruise control I have found
a space for the command module where it faces the front of the car and
the cable is routed to the rear of the engine and comes around by the
throttle cable. As I review the different options on how to attach to
the throttle I keep finding ways for the cable to fall out of the track
and possibly jam the throttle in the open position. This does not give
me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Can someone who has installed a cruise control send me a picture of the
throttle connection that they made so I can see if this is something I
had overlooked.

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:00:19 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Re: DMC, BTTF, and other cars compared to the D.

Mike, while I mostly agree with what you said on the BTTF movies
(as I stated before in this thread), I perhaps can see now how many
owners may want to distance the car from the movies.  Someone said
they have given the car a "comic book" image, and this is in some
respects true.  SOME (not by any means a majority) of the comments
and reactions I've seen to my DeLorean and people kind of laughing
and thinking it is kind of a joke car.  So I can see more now why some
owners are hesitant about embracing the "BTTF image" wholheartedly,
although I do agree with you that ultimately, the movies have had
a more positive than negative effect on the D.

Personally, I think what might help the image of the DeLorean a
bit is all the the 80s nostalgia going on in the U.S. recently.  My
area just got an "all 80s" station, and I think the car could also
be fondly remembered as an 80's icon (as in the Wedding Singer).
Simple Minds, Level 42, The Go Gos...and the DeLorean!

Just a thought,

Richard
  



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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:10:42 -0500
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: Cruise Control

Dave,
 
I have the cruise attached to mine in Richmond if you want to take a
look.
 
Jack.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: David Sontos 
	Sent: Mon 01.08.2001 08:07 AM 
	To: dmcnews Newsletter 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [DML] Cruise Control
	
	

	As I continue with my attempt to install my cruise control I
have found
	a space for the command module where it faces the front of the
car and
	the cable is routed to the rear of the engine and comes around
by the
	throttle cable. As I review the different options on how to
attach to
	the throttle I keep finding ways for the cable to fall out of
the track
	and possibly jam the throttle in the open position. This does
not give
	me a warm fuzzy feeling.
	
	Can someone who has installed a cruise control send me a picture
of the
	throttle connection that they made so I can see if this is
something I
	had overlooked.
	
	Dave Sontos
	VIN 02573
	
	
	
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:34:34 EST
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: suspension and springs (long)

I also see this trend developing recently as well unfortunately.  There are 
many fine vendors and parts suppliers out there that are extremely courteous 
to DeLorean Owners.  They provide excellent service and make excellent 
products.  However they do not always have the time to read and reply to the 
DML.  They are more than happy to take the time on the phone and help you in 
any way possible.  DMC Joe, Don Steger, and Rob Grady,  to name a few.  Every 
one has different opinions on what is best for their car.  I have the front 
springs replaced on my car with ones from PJ Grady.  They are anything but 
"cheapie"  They are excellent in quality and make for an improved ride and 
even out the spacing in the wheel wells.  The rear stock springs are fine and 
are designed to support the weight of the engine.  Only the front was lowered 
originally to meet specs for the US market.  As I said to each is own when it 
comes to your DeLorean.  I don't know any DeLorean Vendor who sells inferior 
products and have never seen it mentioned here on the DML or inferred to 
until recently.

Gary Gore
VIN 3360


In a message dated 1/8/01 8:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
srubano_at_dml_optonline.com writes:
> It has become evident to me that since I've owned my Delorean (over 
> 2.5 years now, still wet behind the ears on it) as the years go by, 
> I've noticed that some Delorean vendors are starting to compete with 
> one another instead of working with each other (hey Ed you reading 
> this?). For one example, and I quote: "When we decided to do a 
> suspension improvement kit, we wanted to do it the right way, and not 
> make a "cheapie" set of front springs only kit." I wouldn't 
> say "cheapie" set, they are very well made. If I want to only lower 
> my front and improve the fronts handling and feel that the rear of my 
> car is fine "as is" that is my decision. What you are saying is that 
> I am "cheaping out" because I am not spending over $600 on a set of 
> four springs? I don't cheap out when it comes to repairing my D (or 
> any other car for that fact). If I want to replace something I do the 
> research. If I feel that a part on the car is to flimsy I have it 
> made. I have had allot of feedback from people who have replaced 
> their front springs with the so called "cheapie" replacements and 
> they rave about them...I have yet to come across someone who has said 
> anything negative about them. If there is some negative feed back 
> about them I would like to here from those people,DMCMAN73[at]
> Hotmail.com. 
> 
> 




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:41:53
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Escaping from a rolled DeLorean

Assuming the damage from the rollover was not great enough to crush the A 
post on the vehicle (the post that hold the windshield in)
you should be able to either kick out or Lifehammer (german civilian rescue 
tool) your way out the windshield or any available glass portal. (Believe me 
if the vehicle is on fire an your are conscious you will find a way)

I ride w/the local rescue unit and depending on the injury and type of 
damage to the vehicle the glass is usually the first thing to go. 
Considering the way the Deloerean is constructed prying the doors is 
definetly out. There is a chance that putting 10,000lbs of force on a door 
loaded w/torsion bars could result in further injury/and or death depending 
on what cracks are where.

I would probably reccomend that depeding again on what position the car 
landed on, either cutting through the floor (breech rescue) or cutting all 
the post and spreading the door enogh to cut the latch and removing the 
whole top of the car. Normally the A and B post are cut the roof weakend and 
rolled back. (Think of how a convertable opens except only opening over the 
front seats.)

I have seen alot of photos of wrecked deloreans, but never one that flipped 
over. I have no idea how they crunch up in rollovers. (ie, typically SUV's 
cave in on the windshield area beacause the rollbars are usually compromised 
there. Unless some sort of aftermarket protection has been placed.) Becuase 
of the design of the doors, unless they opened freely w/out heavy prying 
(Inertia sensor should unlock doors) I would stay away from them because 
they contain "spring energy" or the potential to create further damage from 
any damage that they may have occured in the rollover.

The easiest heavy rescue from this vehicle save easy rescue through the 
doors would probably be to cut the car in half and roll the dash out of the 
way. Of course that is off the top of my head I'd have to see a wrecked 
vehicle before I would comment further.

nice topic.
dr c.

From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
To: "DeLorean Mailing List" <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Escaping from a rolled DeLorean
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:16:37 -0000

A friend of mine was recently involved in a car crash, fortunately he
emerged unhurt, anyway it was a Peugeot 306 and it was rolled onto it's roof
as a result of the accident. If this were to happen to a DeLorean, obviously
we hope it never does, is it possible to escape?, surely you could not open
the doors if the car was on its roof.
Any ideas.


Regards


Jim




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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:40:57 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean sighting pics uploaded

Hey everyone,

i have uploaded some pics of a Gibson Guitar ad i found while rummaging 
through some old magazines.  there's a DeLorean in the background of one of 
the photos!

in addition to it, there is a name, as well as a location and music store 
name next to the picture.  Skip's Music happens to have a website and i just 
sent an email to them hoping to get in contact with the owner of the car.  if 
someone on the list now owns his car, wouldn't be great to find out that your 
car was in a national magazine?

has anyone else had any 'in the background' DeLorean sightings like this?

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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