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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 361
Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:11 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Hydraulic Doors on DeLorean?
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

2. laughing?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: climate control cover plate screw
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. DeLorean sighting.
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

6. Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

8. DMC Font Used in "Snatch" Comm.
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

9. Re: a/c blower performace observations (long)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re:Safety Features
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. Cover for console switches?
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Re: Hydraulic Doors on DeLorean?
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. RE: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! and other 'Star' cars
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

14. RE: hydraulic doors
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

15. Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Re: loose climate control plate and bad knob
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net

18. DMC-12 in computer mag
From: webmaster_at_dml_jackiechan.net

19. Re: Re: 5 mph bumpers
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

20. Re: One More thought on the D's doors
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

21. Re: Escaping from a DeLorean
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>

22. Re: Re:Safety Features
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>

23. Re: loose climate control plate and bad knob
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

24. parts trade anyone?
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

25. question about headlight bracket ?
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:24:36 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Doors on DeLorean?

>Subject: Re: [DML] Hydraulic Doors on DeLorean?


>I agree that the DeLorean door design is excellent as it is.   
>Hydraulics or pneumatics would not be an improvement.

I own two Bricklins,one with air doors and one with Hydroelectric
doors,and as stated above,the Delorean door opening system is a vast 
improvement over the Bricklin setup,but at the same time the Bricklin 
doors are way heavier than the Delorean doors,so that if you somehow 
converted the Bricklin doors to the same setup as what the Delorean 
has,I do not think it would be able to lift open the Bricklin doors
alas, the setup the the Bricklins have is the perfect setup for the 
Bricklins only,and the setup that the Deloreans have is the perfect 
setup for Deloreans only.

Claude
000570  





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:13:32 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: laughing?

In a message dated 1/8/01 9:12:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com 
writes:

<< SOME (not by any means a majority) of the comments
 and reactions I've seen to my DeLorean and people kind of laughing
 and thinking it is kind of a joke car.  So I can see more now why some
 owners are hesitant about embracing the "BTTF image" wholheartedly, >>

I've never received any bad vibe about the BTTF connection that would 
decrease the value, or would count as a wisecrack.  The only negative, "joke 
car" comments I've heard are cocaine related.  And we can't blame that on the 
movie or the DML members asking for tech suggestions.  I love my car, but I 
would be glad to lose the dope dealing references.

-Wayne
:Still living the dream!"
11174



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:33:02 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: climate control cover plate screw

In a message dated 1/10/01 3:31:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com writes:

<< 
 There should be a small phillips sunk-head screw under the mode 
 control knob. This holds the acrylic panel in place. You'll probably 
 see a hole in the panel there. Keep the screw short or it will run 
 into the mode switch and do Bad Things.  >>

A good point.  Just guessing at what the missing screw should be is a bad 
idea.  BTW, I wondered why my cover screw was so darn hard to engage. Rob 
Grady recommends and stocks a slightly longer one.  Much easier to get the 
cover plate re-engaged.

-Wayne
The New DeLorean Manuals Project



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:40:58 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: An end to the shock and spring debacle? (LONG)

James Espey said:
snip--->"The resulting product is a superior, four-corner performance
suspension/lowering spring set that does far more than just lower the
car - it improves the handling, makes for easier and more accurate
alignments (therefore possibly improving tire wear), and when used in
conjunction with the new shocks (described in more detail below) and
proper tires makes for a DeLorean than we contend outhandles any car
in it's class, and as well as many modern cars, including the Audi TT."


Ok... well, I have a big problem with that claim. I can almost promise you 
that there is no way anyone in the world could ever make a DeLorean handle 
against modern cars in the sports class, especially the Audi TT, without 
spending hunders of thousands of dollars on not only suspension upgrades, 
but chassis upgrades as well. It's a 20 year old car! Do you really think 
that Audi would spend millions of R&D on a car that would only be outhandled 
by a 20 year old design with a $1,300 suspension upgrade? (You decide that 
one for yourself.) Yes, the DeLorean handles ok, and maybe with a suspension 
upgrade it will handle better, but I had a stock 1984 Porsche 944 that would 
run circles around the DeLorean in handling. Sorry to say it, but it's true! 
Let's not get in over our heads here thinking our cars are something they're 
not. If you wanted to put a DeLorean against modern day cars in it's class, 
it would go against the Corvette, the Porsche 911, the Lotus Esprit Turbo, 
and probably even a Ferrari. (I say this because that is what the car 
magazines tested it against back in 1981 when the car came out.)I'm sorry, 
but I don't care what kind of suspension package you have on your car, it's 
not gonna out-handle any of those cars, or anything even like a Trans-Am or 
a Z-28. Put a late 90's 300ZX against any DeLorean you want, and I guarantee 
it'll make the DeLorean look like Honda Civic on a roadcourse. If you 
disagree with me, why not give the "test" DeLorean to Road and Track or Car 
and Driver for a real roadtest to see what it can do? Don't get me wrong... 
I love my DeLorean. I love what it is, and what I can get out of it by the 
modifications I choose to perform on it. I'm just not gonna exaggerate as to 
what it is. I think that's what James was doing... exaggerating. And if 
that's the case James, are you exaggerating the horsepower you're getting 
out of DMC Houston's upgraded motor? I'd like to see some "objective" 
specifications on it. Maybe the car magazine of your choice could do that 
test as well...

James also said:
snip--->"We were also fortunate to have access to the original
engineers. I told the story earlier on the DML about how after Colin
Chapman drove one of the DeLorean prototypes with a proposed spring
setup, the engineers were instructed to re-do their work as the
DeLorean outhandled the then-current Esprit."

I would like to see this in writing. Not only is the Esprit lighter, it's 
also a mid-engine car. I sincerely doubt that the DeLorean could outhandle 
an Esprit, even an Esprit from back then. The DeLorean was never designed to 
be an "all out" sports car. We all know this. It was a "GT" car, which 
stands for "Grand Touring". It was never meant to be a high-performance car. 
Just a nice, and exotic, "GT" sports car. So, lets just love our cars for 
what they are, and what we could modify them to be... ok? Nothing more, and 
nothing less.

---Dan

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:38:09 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: DeLorean sighting.

A friend of mind here at work said that he spotted a Yellow DeLorean 
here in Vegas heading southbound on 95 _at_dml_ Jones Blvd. Lic. was from 
New Mexico and said "RUN DMC". He also said that the driver was 
wearing an Addidas jogging suit. Just curious if the owner was on the 
list. With CES in town, there's ALOT of people comming in.

-Robert
vin 6585 




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:43:50 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story

Nick,
Jim Varney's Delorean sat here in Gallatin,TN for about 5 years. It was 
gutted on the inside, ( the 2nd owner was going to restore it). All the parts 
were still kept, just taken out of the car.It was later sold to a list member 
who lives in KY. My understanding was that after checking it out and cleaning 
it up. It started and ran fine. It was an 81 with lines in the hood,( no gas 
flap). The current owner might want to pipe in here with the rest of the 
details.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:31:36 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story

 Brandon in KY bought the car 
Actually I know he did because I went to look at it With Bruce B and Brandon  
bought it right from under my nose
It was in poor shape.
It had bbeen vandalized and had not run in a while.

Ken



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:13:15 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: DMC Font Used in "Snatch" Comm.

***** Moderator's Note *****
I've thought about moderating this through for quite some time.
It is BARELY related to the DeLorean and since I haven't seen the
trailer myself may not be entirely accurate.  At any rate, please 
consider this the frist and last post on this subject.


Hi List!
  I was channel surfing a while ago and when I stopped an aad
for the movie "Snatch" come on and I realized, "Hey, that's the DeLorean
font!"...Okay, allowed it to burst out of my mouth! : )  
  Anyway, it was cool too see the same style of lettering used on 
our beloved DeLoreans is still being used today, especially when
the world can see it!

Later,
Robert G.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 02:28:40 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: a/c blower performace observations (long)

My purpose for this posting was to make people aware that a previous owner
may have installed the wrong blower in their D.  The performance of the
wrong squirrel cage blowing in the wrong direction will provide a reasonable
amount of air flow from the vents.  But this is just wrong!  I've read too
many posts about people reversing the polarity on their new blower motors to
get the 'proper' air flow.  THIS IS WRONG!  If you didn't keep your old
squirrel cage when you made the change, then you are screwed!

Since I usually keep several junk cars in my yard, I couldn't see ordering a
new fan from a D vendor when I had a few candidates sitting in my yard.  I
put one in with a larger motor.  I got nothing.  I reversed the polarity and
got a good amount of air flow, but it wasn't the same as my squeaky OEM even
though the other motor was larger.  I took it out and took a good look at
everything and figured out what had happened.  Now my D has the OEM one back
in place with the squeaky motor.  I don't want to buy a new motor only to
have it go bad for the same reason as the first motor.

The reason my original blower went bad is because it filled with water.  Why
did it fill with water?  My condensate drain does not appear to be clogged.
So what's the deal?  It only had 9000 miles on it when it started giving
problems.  Why do the bearings get wet and rust to pieces?

I do not want to replace my blower motor with the 'correct' OEM part.  That
motor is too small since I know there are larger motors out there that will
fit and deliver more air.  In my Olds long ago, the blower went bad.  I went
to a junk yard to get a new motor.  My friend noticed this larger brand-new
looking blower in an old Cadillac.  I said, "No way, that is too big."  But
he talked me into buying it anyway.  It fit (barely).  I had to remove some
insulation from under the hood so it would clear the longer motor.  Then my
air blew like a hurricane!  It was great!  I tried putting this same motor
in my Delorean, but it had the polarity problem... and you know the rest of
the story.  However, the combination of the larger Cadillac motor with the
polarity reversed with the original Delorean squirrel cage gave a better air
flow than the OEM setup.  Now that I've seen better, I will not settle for
OEM.  I put the Cadillac blower back in my Olds since that is still a
running car and I need the a/c working in it.  Besides, I know that the D
would only fill it with water again and rust it to pieces.  All the junk
cars in my stock pile used the smaller style motor like the original on the
Delorean, and they had the polarity problem.  Those just won't do.

So do any of the D vendors sell the larger than OEM motor that spins in the
correct fashion for the D?  I read in the back issues that there is a blower
with a larger than OEM motor that NAPA sells that is meant for a van.  If
this fits the D without reversing the polarity, then this is what I want.
If any Delorean vendor sells this part, then let me know.  Otherwise I will
buy it from NAPA.

Sorry to sound like an ass.  I get this way when I stay up drinking.  I need
the right size beer can to make a baffle for my fuel sending unit.  I think
the 1 quart size in Foster's Lager will do nicely.  I'll let y'all know how
it turns out.

(hick)
Walt    Tampa, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: DMC Joe <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

>There is a very easy solution to this problem: purchase the blower from
your
>favorite DeLorean supplier and you will get the right motor, with the right
>squirrel cage, turning in the right direction.





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:18:28 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re:Safety Features

Don't judge a car's safety by how it survives a crash! All new cars 
are designed to crush in a crash to absorb the impact energy so as
not 
to transmit in into the passenger compartment. An older car hitting a 
newer car will usually result in severe damage to the newer car. The 
logic is a car is repairable-replaceble but is is much cheaper to 
reduce the injuries to the occupants then have less damage to the 
vehicles. Just look at a car after the rescuers cut a car open to
make 
extrication without further injuries possible. If the car wasn't 
totaled in the accident it was after the first responders got through 
with it. The Delorean is a safe vehicle as far as it can be being a 
LOW, SMALL 2 door sports car. Please don't test it's crashworthiness, 
just be aware that it is not the most noticeable car on the road
under 
most conditions, especially to that SUV with the person on the cell 
phone! One thing you could add to help is a third brake light on the 
rear louvre.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> either A) neglect the fact that im next to them as if I dont exist 
> 
> What I would suggest is driving with your headlights on,just as 
> motorcycle riders do,so that you could be seen by the SUV 
drivers.And 
> just like motorcycle riders be aware of what is around you.AND 
Install
> air horns(the kind like the big rigs have)that should get the 
> attention of anybody that would not see you.
> 
> Claude
> 000570




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:41:20
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Cover for console switches?


I was wondering if anyone knows someone who sells black plastic covers for 
the console switches (window-defrost-and dummy switches).

I remember seeing an ad for this in an old DeLorean World.
I'd love to have a cover for the switches, as I always seem to engage the 
defrost-switch with my elbow when I do a gearshift.

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:01:25 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Doors on DeLorean?

I suspect you are correct about the added weight but I also believe 
age and "spring set" has something to do with it. A quick check for 
the need for a torsion bar adjustment, prop the door open and remove 
the strut. Lower the door, it should remain open approx 2-5 inches 
measured lip of door to sill. As far as improving on the door system I 
think if you have a PROPERLY adjusted door, door guides, a recent 
strut and a lockzilla you will have a hard time improving on the 
system. The Bricklins with the hydralic doors were mostly refitted to 
the pnuematic system which includes new front and rear bumpers(the air 
tanks are inside them). The air was supplied by a compressor running 
off engine vacum. If the car sat too long and lost air pressure the 
doors wouldn't open. The fittings and valving are "Mickey Mouse" to be 
kind and have many sources of leaks. The torsion bar on the Deloreans 
doesn't loose any power by "sitting" for extended periods of time. 
IMHO  the torsion bar system is very elegant from an engineering point 
of view being simple, well balanced and innovative like the front 
suspensions of the 60's-70's Chryslers. It is also very compact and 
unobtrusive. The only downside I can think of is the inherent danger 
of the great amount of energy in the system. Without proper 
precautions and tools there is a danger to anyone not familiar with 
the torsion bars to hurt themselves. NEVER SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF THE 
TORSION BARS and only work on them if you have the correct tools and 
have seen the procedures done.
  I can think of one possible improvement, a temperature compensating 
strut, they have them for other applications and shock absorbers so I 
am sure they could improve the strut to include this.HOW ABOUT IT 
JAMES? Also a nice sticker to place on the torsion bar warning about 
the danger and not to scratch it.                                     
                             
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
    
n dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> I agree that the DeLorean door design is excellent as it is.  
Hydraulics or
> pneumatics would not be an improvement.
> 
> Often DeLoreans with chronic drooping doors need a torsion bar 
adjustment.
> 
> Remember, many cars have had door guides, stronger window actuators, 
beefier lock
> solenoids, and other parts added to their doors since they left the 
factory.
> These added weight, and without a torsion bar adjustment it will 
automatically
> cause the doors to droop.  My personal suspicion is that many 
DeLoreans have had
> their doors modified without an appropriate torsion bars adjustment 
to accomodate
> the extra weight.
> 
> I know that mine is one of them.
> 
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 1280, 7 years, slight droop on cold days




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:35:35 -0800
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: RE: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! and other 'Star' cars

I'd like to get a listing of the VIN numbers of all the 'famous' cars, along
with a single paragraph description of the car and its history, to add as a
special section of the DeLorean Owners Directory. I'm sure this is something
that would be of interest to most everyone.

If any of the you have information you can forward to me, I'll compile it
and make it available to everyone.

=======================================================
Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean/delorean01.htm
mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:44 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
> 
> Nick,
> Jim Varney's Delorean sat here in Gallatin,TN for about 5 
> years. It was 
> gutted on the inside, ( the 2nd owner was going to restore 
> it). All the parts 
> were still kept, just taken out of the car.It was later sold 
> to a list member 
> who lives in KY. My understanding was that after checking it 
> out and cleaning 
> it up. It started and ran fine. It was an 81 with lines in 
> the hood,( no gas 
> flap). The current owner might want to pipe in here with the 
> rest of the 
> details.
> Bruce Battles
> Vin # 06569



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:54:48 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: hydraulic doors

To the question "Has anyone ever thought about replacing the gas struts on
the delorean with hydraulics?" the answer is yes (well almost).  There is a
high-dollar red car in Canada that was brought down to Seattle a few years
back for the installation of pneumatic doors.  Everything - doors, hood,
louver, and engine cover, all go both up AND DOWN by air pressure.  The shop
installed two large custom air cylinders parallel on the package tray behind
the seats (requiring the fuse box etc.to be moved for future access) which
pull the doors down by tiny cables.  An air compressor was mounted up front
to power it all, and other toys like a high grade stereo and GPS system were
installed.  Several members of PNDC saw the car and I provided some of the
parts.  Contact Arnie Brandon, PNDC president, for more info
(arnie_at_dml_pndc.com).

If I might add a note on the "escaping from a rolled car" thread, there
might be another problem here no one has mentioned.  A while back I had a
lower ball joint fail (in a parking lot), making the car suddenly twist out
of shape.  The twisting made the passenger door jam shut, forcing my wife to
crawl out my side.  Once the car was jacked up the door worked fine.  I
would be more concerned with this possibility than whether the leverage is
such that a 160# man could open the door...
Just a thought.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:59:36
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story

Speaking of cleberty deloreans, awhile ago i've read about Don Knots owning 
a delorean. Infact I think he got it on that episode of Matlock. Does anyone 
know what happened to that?
John


>From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:31:36 EST
>
>  Brandon in KY bought the car
>Actually I know he did because I went to look at it With Bruce B and 
>Brandon
>bought it right from under my nose
>It was in poor shape.
>It had bbeen vandalized and had not run in a while.
>
>Ken
>
>
>Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
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>
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:02:36 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: loose climate control plate and bad knob

<<There should be a small phillips sunk-head screw under the mode 
control knob. This holds the acrylic panel in place. You'll probably 
see a hole in the panel there. Keep the screw short or it will run 
into the mode switch and do Bad Things. 

Dave Swingle>>


thanks for the info. i went over to my garage today to check it out.  i 
pulled the plate off, and yes - there is a hole where something is supposed 
to be.  however, the hole is not threaded.  is this right?  also, there 
doesn't seem to be a hole in the radio bracket for a screw to go into, for 
the secure mount.  there are four holes in the center of the bracket, around 
the post for the selector knob.  two of them seem to be like clips to hold 
the other side of the knob inside, while the other two have screws in them.  
one of the screws (the one on the right side) is phillips and is colored 
brown-ish.  the other screw, on the left, is flat head and is stainless 
steel. is this right?  it seems like a previous owner has been messing with 
things back there.  

also, i noticed that my decal for the lables on the climate control plate is 
not centered very well.  it's about a 1/4 cm lower than it should be on the 
actual plate.  the decal hangs off a little bit on the bottom, and doesn't 
reach the top all the way.  it also interferes with the push-knobs, slightly. 
 are all of them like this? or is mine just bad?

thanks for the help so far!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:30:54 -0000
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net
Subject: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story

Hummmm, I wonder where this one is now that Jim's gone. Maybe this 
one is available.

Jeremy






Message: 20
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:05:34 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: De Lorean on Jim Varney E! True Hollywood story

Hey List,

     Last night I was watching the E! True Hollywood story because I 
remember 
hearing that Jim Varney owned one and thought they might show it, and 
they 
did!  It was only in the show for a few seconds, then after they 
showed it 
the narrator said that Jim and a friend of his wanted to see how fast 
it 
would do, but I forgot the rest of what was said.  If you check out 
the E! 
web page www.eonline.com       I am sure they will tell you when it 
will be 
on again.

Later,
Nick
1852
Http://members.aol.com/njp548





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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:45:06 -0000
From: webmaster_at_dml_jackiechan.net
Subject: DMC-12 in computer mag

I just received the February 2001 issue of "Ziff Davis Smart Business 
for the New Economy" (an e-business magazine...should be on most 
newsstands).

Much to my surprise and delight, there's a beautiful 2-page shot of a 
DeLorean on pages 154 and 155. The article deals with high-tech 
safety and privacy gadgets, and the photo shows three James Bond 
wanna-be's on the passenger side of the car with a man in a ski mask 
peering over the car from the driver's side.

Just curious if the owner is on the list or not. If so, kudos on a 
sharp ride...those Yokohamas shine up nicely!






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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:30:32 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 5 mph bumpers

Tom Nemczewski accident reminded me of something. (www.delorean.com/404.htm)

During the 1970s  tDOT mandated 5 mph bumpers for the front of cars and 2.5
bumpers for the rear.  When Reagan  got into office, he lowered the front
standard standard to 2.5 mph.  That is why todays cars cost some much be fixed
for minor crashes.

The question is does the DeLorean meet the 5 mph and rear 2.5 mph standards.
Legally, it should have since it was manufactured prior to Reagan changing the
law.  However, I have not seen any documentation of this fact in all my years
of dealing with the DeLorean.

Has anyone ever seen this documented.?

Bob Brandys




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:46:10 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: One More thought on the D's doors

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "jtrealty_at_dml_w... " <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
>   I can think of one possible improvement, a temperature 
compensating 
> strut, they have them for other applications and shock 
absorbers so I 
> am sure they could improve the strut to include this.HOW 
ABOUT IT 
> JAMES? Also a nice sticker to place on the torsion bar warning 
about 
> the danger and not to scratch it.                                     


I have another thought which I'm surprised hasn't been brought 
up already.  Many modern strut systems have some kind of a 
built in brake, which slows the decomression rate of the stut 
when it is nearing it's fully expanded state.  I dont see why it 
wouldn't be possible for our door struts to have these on them.  
This would prevent any "bounce" from the door opening too 
quickly.  I know a proporly adjusted torsion bar will not allow any 
bounce, however what if the car is parked sideways on a hill?  My 
car does that in my driveway, and it causes my drivers door to 
bounce like mad if I dont catch it.  I think these might be a better 
idea than temperature-compensating struts, but thats just my 
opinion.  Nonetheless, I like your thinking Dave, and the warning 
sticker would be a good thing to have.  What about a rubber boot 
that wraps around the torsion bar?  Then put the sticker on top of 
that.  But it is all just more and more ideas.

Jim Reeve
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:48:13 +0100
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>
Subject: Re: Escaping from a DeLorean

>
> Opening the doors under water? that's a good question, it may be a
> little easier than a conventional car door since you are assisted by
> a torsion bar and the struts. But one never knows.

The following explanations are based on different TV reports, but also on my
own knowledge about diving...

One thing is true for nearly ALL cars:
while underwater AND water flowing into the cabin, there is NO change of
opening the door, because the pressure inside the car is lower than the
water pressure around. But there are still 4 options:

while the car is floating on the water:
1) a car does not sink instantly, so there is a chance of opening a door,
while the car is still floating on the water.

2) if that does not work, kick out either the front window or a side window
(using life hammer etc.) and get out while the car still floats on the water


when underwater:
3) Open your seatbelt. Smash either the front window or a side window (life
hammer), then WAIT a moment, until water has completely filled the car, then
dive out. You might have to kick out remaining glass fragments before diving
out.

4) If you don't succed smashing a window, don't panic, as soon as the water
has completely filled the cabin, you can open the doors, because now, the
pressure inside and outside is equal. Only problem: you will have to hold
your breath for some seconds. Everyone can hold his breath for at least 30
seconds - if you don't panic! Even if you have never done it before - its
more than enough time to leave the car and dive to the surface.
But remember rule No.1: DON'T PANIC. If you use your brain and stay cool,
you will escape without a problem.

Ralf.
VIN 10284
(Yes, I dive occasionally... )





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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:05:07 -0500
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Safety Features

Well, actually I must disagree. That crash was at less than 25 mph. I feel
much safer in a car that survives a 25mph hit, because I know that it will
help me survive a 40mph crash. I don't think there would be much room left
for your legs in that Nissan if we were going 40. From what I saw I would
say that DeLorean is safer at higher speeds because it doesn't crush like a
soda can.... crashing you inside at the same time. I like that ;o)
That's just my opinion... as always, I might be wrong.

Take care,
Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298
tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>


> Don't judge a car's safety by how it survives a crash! All new cars
> are designed to crush in a crash to absorb the impact energy so as
> not
> to transmit in into the passenger compartment. An older car hitting a
> newer car will usually result in severe damage to the newer car. The
> logic is a car is repairable-replaceble but is is much cheaper to
> reduce the injuries to the occupants then have less damage to the
> vehicles. <SNIP>


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:58:02 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: loose climate control plate and bad knob

The screw on the left side should not be installed until the coverplate is
in place.  There is a hole in the cover plate for a long philips screw to
hold the cover plate, radio bracket and mode control switch all together.

Because your face plate decal is 1/4cm off, this may be enough to hide the
hole for the longer screw to go.

I bought a new mode switch diaphragm from PJ Grady, and it included a screw
with it to replace the original one.  It sounds like you may need this screw
as the proper original ones were black and not stainless as you described.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:38:18 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: parts trade anyone?

Hello,
I am looking for a perfect condition grey dashboard and binnicle.  I 
took my car out yesterday and I finally got sick of it....the 
dashboard, not the car. 
I would prefer to trade parts, so if anyone has a perfect condition 
dashboard and/or binnicle, please contact me privately at delorean502
(at)excite.com
I'm also in need of a perfect condition shift boot and floor mats.

Thanks

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:51:31 -0000
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: question about headlight bracket ?

I have to replace all my headlight brackets for my front headlights.
I've gotten everything taken out (it was a real pain considering 
every screw was stripped and rusted out) except the main bracket 
(part #101369).  It seems impossible to reach the screws for this 
bracket without removing the front fascia??  It looks like the 
opening where the headlights come out is too small to get this 
bracket out.

So my question is this:  Do I have to remove fascia or anything to 
get the screws out and to install a new bracket for my headlights ??

If so, does anyone have a step by step guide on how to remove it ? or 
how I should go about this...

Any comments or ideas are appreciated.

Thanks,
James Teston
vin15314




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