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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 368
Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:15 PM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Looking for a D for a photo-op in Clearwater FL this weekend
From: "Gary Smith" <gsmith_at_dml_imgr.com>

2. Water In the Fuel Tank?
From: "JamesRG" <jamesrg_at_dml_btinternet.com>

3. Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... :\
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

4. Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

5. Re: Re: Re: One More thought on the D's doors AND more
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

6. Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

7. Leak in automatic transmission
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com

8. Re: Stainless Steel Frame
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Web server moved
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

10. Original Dealers
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

11. Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... :\
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:58:23 -0600
From: "Gary Smith" <gsmith_at_dml_imgr.com>
Subject: Looking for a D for a photo-op in Clearwater FL this weekend

I have a pretty teen model that is looking to have some pictures taken with
an exotic car ... and while I've been a member of this list for about 3
years ... have never posted ...

... anyway, I thought it would be great to see if anyone would be or is in
Clearwater FL this weekend that would like to have some pictures taken of
their D and of a up and coming teen model.

Anyone interested, please e-mail me. gsmith(AT)imgr.com

Gary




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:48:20 -0000
From: "JamesRG" <jamesrg_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Water In the Fuel Tank?

Hi All

My car had been playing up a bit after sitting for about a month without
use, anyway it eventually just spluttered and had no power. I was looking
into cleaning the fuel tank as it sounded like fuel starvation, whenever I
pressed the accelerator the car stalled. I found to my horror that the fuel
had water in it, I siphoned the fuel out and it had about a 3 pints of water
in it!, needless to say this was obviously a major contributor to the
problem. But my main question is how the hell did it get in there ??? would
it have gone down the filler cap?, has anyone else had a similar problem?
obviously I will check all of the seals before I install the tank again. Any
ideas would be most appreciate, as obviously I don't want it to happen
again, it was a good job I ran the car or the engine may have corroded and
seized!

Regards

James RG
England




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:13:13 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... :\

Instead of using a tow dolly (only raises 2 wheels off the ground) or 
spending the hundreds of dollars on flat bedding/towing your new 
purchase there is another alternative. What I did when I got my D 
(was not drivable at ALL) was I went to the local Uhaul place and 
rented a full car caddy. I'm not talking about the ones that just 
prop up the front wheels (or rear) to tow, you actually push/drive 
the entire car, all four wheels, onto it. The cost was like $40 to 
rent for the day! If you don't have a hitch on the back of your car, 
grab a buddy who does and tell him you'll buy him a beer :).

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Thanks, David ...
> 	Hmm.  Now I am pondering transport for the vehicle.  I'd hate 
to do
> that if the car runs, though ...
> 	I'll keep it in mind.  :)
> 
> Regards,
> Farrar Hudkins
> 
> >    From: "jtrealty_at_dml_w... " <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>
> > Subject: Re: Hello!  And:  Upcoming purchase ...
> > 
> > I agree with most everything that Walter says except it is 
probably
> > better to just plan to tow the car. If it is a 5 speed then 
towing on
> [snip!]




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:35:19 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 nbrommer_at_dml_krem.com wrote:

> The prior owner of my car (in california) claimed that the emissions
> test destroyed his transmission. Subsequently, the transmission was

It happens.  Cars do get damaged in emissions tests.  Make sure they don't
put the front wheels on the rollers, for example :}

There's no particular hazard to taking an emissions test with a DeLorean
that wouldn't be experienced by any other car, other than that the
emissions testers will not know what to do with it.  They will probably
not be able to get the "hood" open, as well :}




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:18:44 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: One More thought on the D's doors AND more

According to Mike Loasby, former chief engineer at DeLorean, the Stainless
frame was the preferred option but the "cold weather" thing made them afraid
of cracking / law suits.
There next choice was hot dip galvanising, which is excellent at rust
prevention, but bungs all the holes up in the frame. That's how we ended up
with epoxy coated steel.
BTW Rolls Royce cars of the 20's and 30's had a high nickel content in the
steel chassis. It is most unusual to find a rusty one.

Chris P DOC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brandys" <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Re: One More thought on the D's doors AND more


>
> John Delorean Originally was going to have a stainless steel frame.  He
> even made a speach about it stating that "even Rolls Royce doesn't do
> that."  In the same speech he talked about the 25 year warrantee. 



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:44:56 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?

There are stories like this here in Illinios back when the testing 
first started (IL uses a roller test). These were not specific to the 
DMC.  The operator made some grievous error - like putting the wrong 
end of the car on the rollers. For this reason they can't test full-
time 4WD cars for example. Just keep an eye on what they are doing. 

Actually the more common stories are clutch problems since driving a 
manual is such a lost art. 

If your state does not do a roller test, there should be no danger. 
Again, feel free to watch the operator and make sure they know what 
they are doing. 

BTW - in Illinois they CANNOT do the gas cap test. The DMC cap won't 
fit the test fixture. 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, nbrommer_at_dml_k... wrote:
> The prior owner of my car (in california) claimed that the 
emissions test destroyed his transmission. 




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:12:46 -0000
From: edherrmann_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Leak in automatic transmission

Has anyone had a leak in the automatic transmission coming from the 
fluid return cooler hose. The hose is not leaking, it is at the 
fitting that is screwed into another fitting that is in the 
transmission. I removed the hose and fitting and retightened it and 
put thread sealant so it wouldn't come out but now it is driping out 
between the tube and the fitting. Does anyone know what might do 
this. I could buy a new new cooler return hose but that doesn't seem 
to be the problem. It's where the pipe and the fitting meet and are 
tightened. Thanks. ED HERRMANN  16228




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:27:21 -0000
From: "Tyler Graves" <graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Frame

I wish I could answer those questions, but instead I will pose 
another question: I know the gentleman who is making these SS frames 
needs to have several sales at once to get the price down. Has the 
group every ran a poll to see who would be interested? I've been 
blessed with a really good frame, but I would still replace it with 
SS if the price was right. I say that more than ever now, because I 
was jacking the rear of the car up by the frame the other day and I 
found a few flakes of epoxy on the jack saddle when I brought it back 
down.... oh _at_dml_#$%! Now whenever something like that happens, I have to 
get under there and POR-15 it. Would be nice to eliminate that 
problem once and for all with SS.

On a side note, is it bad to jack the car up by the frame? I sure 
feel better lifting it by the cross member by the engine, rather than 
at the 'recommended' jack points.

Tyler 
#3472





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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:22:32 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Web server moved

Apparently in their ultimate wisdom, Picus has moved my web server, without telling anyone ahead of time. Figures, they went bankrupt running a telephone service why should I think they could run a web server and ISP. 

My old URL was http://sybercom.net/dsontos, this no longer works,

my new URL will be http://personal.picusnet.com/dsontos, as soon as I reload all of my files and get my web page back up I'll let you know.

Please make changes to any pointers you may have that point to any of my web pages.

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573
NRA Member


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:10:40 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: Original Dealers

Hello all, 
 
           Could someone give me a link or send me a list of all the original dealers for DeLoreans
by state? I'm mainly interested if there were any in Indiana but am still curious about all the 
states also. I posted this question a while back and only got one response and that one was 
that there was list that came with ever car when it was sold new. I'm sure that there was but 
unfortunatly I've only had my car for about 8 months and that list seems to have been lost 
somewhere over the years. Can anyone help me out? 
 
                              Thanks in advance................Jason  #5903


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:18:30 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Emissions test and Transmission damage?

There have been many horror stories associated with emissions dyno 
testing. A favorite was trying to dyno a 4 wheel drive, it took off 
because the front wheels were still engaged. There are many dangers 
from inexperienced people doing the testing to improper procedures to 
defective equipment. The destruction of the transmission is the least 
of your worries. If the trans fails it is probably because it was 
slipping to begin with and testing at full load for an extended
period 
wipped out the clutch plates. On level ground at light loads the 
trouble may not have been noticable but was there already waiting to 
get worse. The Delorean transmission is no more prone to damage then 
any other automatic assuming that it is in good condition. In New 
Jersey they have suspended the dyno testing temporaraly, our Govenor 
is becomming the head of the EPA so I guess they didn't want too much 
bad publicity. I had my Delorean in the dyno test last year and I 
wasn't too thrilled about it (and they wouldn't let me watch) but I 
was told "Either let us test it or we will fail you right now!". It 
passed but the interesting part was watching them try to test the GAS 
CAP. The tester could't seem to find the right adapter so several of 
them came over to help. They eventualy got it to pass by only putting 
it halfway on, then the green light on the tester lit! Another little 
thing they do in Jersey, with the driver's door open the tester gets 
it up to about 20mph and hits the brakes on the brake indicator to 
test the brakes! I really don't like that but again if you won't let 
them do what they want they just fail you. I have to look into 
collecter plates.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, nbrommer_at_dml_k... wrote:
> The prior owner of my car (in california) claimed that the
emissions 
test destroyed his transmission. Subsequently, the transmission was 
replaced so my car has a new transmission. However, I'm wondering if 
there was any truth to his statement. I live in Washington State, 
where I will soon be putting the car through an emission test. Any 
thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> Nick
> 
> 3092




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:29:22 EST
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Towing v. Driving with a bad ex. man. gasket ... :\

This is definately the way to go.  Rent a car trailer.  Stay away from the 
dollys if at all possible.  A trailer is much safer for your car and better 
to have all the wheels off the ground especially when buying a car you have 
never driven.  I too rented a U haul trailer when I bought  my car.  Towed it 
from Michigan to NJ in one day.  The U haul trailer works great.  It has 
surge brakes and puts no strain on the tow vehicle.  Hope this helps

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlanitc
Vin 3360


In a message dated 1/15/01 7:00:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
srubano_at_dml_optonline.com writes:

> Instead of using a tow dolly (only raises 2 wheels off the ground) or 





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