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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 374
Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:04 PM

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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Foolishness with numbers...
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

2. Re: ss frame and metal detectors
From: "Gary Gill" <garyg_at_dml_lucent.com>

3. Re: Fascia Paint
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: upper door seal
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: upper door seal
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. DELOREAN in Las Vegas ?
From: "carte blanche limousine" <carteblanche_at_dml_franceplus.com>

7. Re: upper door seal
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>

8. Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com

9. Re: Foolishness with numbers...
From: michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com

10. Dying Carpet?
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

11. Re: silly question... - Does DeLorean own his own car... Ok Marc...
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Want to clear myself :) WAS Re: silly question...
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Justin and others recommending car carriers
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

14. DeLump? (Front shocks and springs)
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

15. cheap delorean for sale
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

16. Re: Justin and others recommending car carriers
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Dying Carpet?
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fisherdesign.com>

18. Re: Dying Carpet?
From: dmcfrancis_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: delorean for sale
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

20. Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]
From: hembry2612_at_dml_aol.com

21. Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?
From: Bailey7917_at_dml_home.com

22. Mode Switch Replacement ?
From: Bailey7917_at_dml_home.com

23. Re: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

24. cross-drilled brake rotor update
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:13:15 -0500
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Foolishness with numbers...

On this website for an automatic D for sale, it mentions that "only 800
Automatics were ever produced":
http://www.kcimports.com/81Delorean/index.htm

Anyone want to comment on what the DeLorean Production Chronology
(http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/n_chron.htm) has to say about that?  ;-)

Enjoy,

- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- DeLorean: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm
- Impala SS: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/brakes.htm



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:41:32 -0000
From: "Gary Gill" <garyg_at_dml_lucent.com>
Subject: Re: ss frame and metal detectors

FWIW

For a loop of wire to "detect" metal, there must be motion.
It is the car passing over/into the loop which generates a current in 
the wire.  This current is then sensed.  Hence, it doesn't matter 
where the bike stops.  If it has enough metal to generate the 
required current to set off the sensors, it will do so when the bike 
enters the loop.

-Gary G.



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Hi, I hope this will close this thread once and for all!!
> 
> Here in Florida we have metal detectors on every intersection! They 
sense
> that a car is waiting for a green light and change the lights. BUT I
> intentionally said METAL detectors. Who had the idea that those are 
iron
> detectors? 



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:52:03 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fascia Paint

Joel,
 I had my fascia painted last year and was able to get the correct paint. ( 
codes and all). The first code listed on most lists is no longer the correct 
number. However, there is a replacement # that is correct. I searched the 
back issues and found a 1-800 #, called it and they were able to get me a 
dealer near me that had the paint. I'll go search me stuff and post the #'s. 
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:15:38 EST
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: upper door seal

I replaced one of my seals last year.  Its not extremely difficult but does 
require a great amount of care.  I did not remove my torsion bar to do it.  
However a good tip is to use duct tape and tape the torsion bar (if you dont 
remove it) so in case you hit it with the drill or a tool you wont damage it. 
 Also be careful drilling out the old rivots.  If you go too far you will 
leave a ding on the outside of the door.  The hardest part is drilling them 
out and then trying to punch out the old rivots.  Main thing is to be careful 
on both or these steps to avoid leaving a ding in the door.  If your pop 
rivots dont fit try using a smaller shaft one.  I was able to install new 
rivots with the torsion bar in place.  Hope this helps

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

In a message dated 1/18/01 6:04:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com writes:

> Hello List, 
>     I bought upper door seals for my car from PJ Grady a long time ago but 
> never got around to installing them.  myne are thrashed.  I have the new 
> pop-rivets but was wondering how you got the old ones out.  Also, my pop 
> riveter will not fit into that little of an area. Do the torsion bars have 
> to 
> be removed to do this or is there a riveter that will fit?  I've done my 
> T-bars so many times It only takes a few minutes now anyways.
> 
> THANKS
> Dave
> 




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:33:17 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: upper door seal

I'm in the exact same situation you are, but I haven't discovered yet that
my riveter won't fit.  One word of caution is that Rob told me to be careful
of denting the door when the bit pushes through the rivet.  He also said
that it is hard to get the old rivet pieces out.

I'm thinking I'm going to save that job for when I replace my T-panel.  The
metal under it is rusted pretty bad and I'm thinking about replacing it too.
To do that I will need to remove the doors.  One job leads to another!

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:45:51 +0100
From: "carte blanche limousine" <carteblanche_at_dml_franceplus.com>
Subject: DELOREAN in Las Vegas ?

Does anyone owning a Delorean is living in Las Vegas or close of this "game
city" ? I am planing to go over there from France between the 7 and the 11
of Fevruary for the limo Show. I am ready to make an exchange between Paris
and USA or bring some parts from France that are cheap here: all concerning
the engine (french Renault V6PRV) .

Thanks for your answer

Passion for DMC


Cyril  VIN 1804



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:43:30 -0500
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>
Subject: Re: upper door seal

Dave,

Be careful removing the old rivits!!!!  You can end up with little dimples
(pardon the use of this overused word) on the top of your door.

Bill Lane
Vin 3635

Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Hello List,
>     I bought upper door seals for my car from PJ Grady a long time ago but
> never got around to installing them.  myne are thrashed.  I have the new
> pop-rivets but was wondering how you got the old ones out



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:47:33 -0000
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Starting trouble, any ideas?

    Thanks joe, I just got my rebuilt starter back and will install 
it by saturday. The shope said it was burnt out from the previous 
owner trying to start the car with a low voltage battery. We will try 
that.  Wish me luck!
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Jay,
> 
> Under normal conditions the DeLorean cannot be jump started the way 
you
> describe because the fuel pump only receives power when the starter 
is being



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 02:38:40 -0000
From: michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com
Subject: Re: Foolishness with numbers...

I had to send an e-mail to them and let them know.  All in all it 
looks like a nice original car.  It even has the hood with the gas 
flap.  The one thing that I saw that I thought was interesting was in 
the following picture: 
http://www.kcimports.com/81Delorean/81_dmc_trunk.jpg  Guess they had 
problems getting the hood to pop open.  :)

Anyone on the list live near or in Kansas City, MO that want's to 
check it out and let us know how it looks in person?

Michael Babb

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> On this website for an automatic D for sale, it mentions that "only 
800
> Automatics were ever produced":
> http://www.kcimports.com/81Delorean/index.htm
> 
> Anyone want to comment on what the DeLorean Production Chronology
> (http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/n_chron.htm) has to say about that?  ;-)
> 





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:14:59 -0500
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Dying Carpet?

Hi All,

Has anyone had success with dying carpet?  I have some stains I'd like
to cover.

Plasti-Kote brand Fabric Color (Slate Gray, #512)  comes in spray cans
and covers very well on my test piece, but the shade is just a bit
dark.  Anyone have any luck with other brands, or professional dying?

Thanks in Advance,

-Dave Stragand
VIN #05927




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:59:41 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: silly question... - Does DeLorean own his own car... Ok Marc...

Ok Marc, will do. I wasn't gonna say anything, but I may as well now. When I 
went to JZD's mansion two summers ago, before he lost it to the bank, 
Kathryn asked if she could sit in my car. I said of course! So she sat in 
the drivers seat, and said that my car was the first DeLorean she ever sat 
in. I was suprised and asked her how that was possible. She said that when 
she was little, her dad used to put her on the parcel shelf behind the seats 
and drive her places. She said she never actually sat in the seat of the 
car. This was not this past summer, but the summer before that so, maybe she 
forgot about me and my car. A few other DML members were there and heard her 
say that as well. Marc wasn't one of them. ;-)

---Dan



  Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:14:04 -0500
   From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: silly question... - Does DeLorean own his own car

I dont thin Kathryn was totally honest...

Dan, you want to chime in here?


CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
>
>I was talking to Kathryn DeLorean at the Cleveland show this summer and I
>asked if she would autograph my car for me. As she was sitting in it she 
>told
>me that this had been the first time she had actually sat in a DeLorean 
>since
>she was five years. I would assume from that statement that John Z has not
>owned one of his own cars in quite a while.
>
>Poor guy :(

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:08:59 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Want to clear myself :) WAS Re: silly question...



She could have been stretching the truth I guess....but thats what she told 
me unless I misunderstood her. A few others were around, but I guess it 
really doesnt matter. Im not out to call anyone a liar. I did have a private 
conversation with Dan though which I found interesting.

....either way, I think that we can all see that JZD probabally hasnt owned a 
DeLorean for quite some time. Its a shame too because out of all people, He 
really should have one.

Justin
5172



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:35:09 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Justin and others recommending car carriers

The best source nationaly is to look in Hemmings Motor News. It should 
be available at any large newsstand and can be subscribed to. It is 
the bible of the car hobby and under "services offered" you can find 
people who can transport cars or just about anything related to the 
car hobby. Good luck but be prepared to spend twice your origional 
estamite to return the car to good condition. Sorry, but is a fact of 
life when buying a 20 year old car you tend to underestimate the true 
cost and time involved.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Farrar Hudkins <smeghead79_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi, all ...
> 
> Since the trip is over 2,000 miles, if I can't drive it, I'll have 
it
> shipped.  I couldn't tow anything with my car, nor would I want to 
for
> that long a drive!
> 
> So ... any suggestions on who to have transport the car?
> 
> Thanks in advance, and btw, I've finished reading the backissues!  
:)
> 
> Farrar "Doc" Hudkins
> Future owner, perhaps, of VIN 980 ...




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:04:06 EST
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLump? (Front shocks and springs)

       I am kinda chiming in late, but I have just returned from a trip and 
am trying to catch up on the DML.  As possibly the most recent owner to 
change the suspension (about a week ago to be exact), I would like to simply 
like to offer my approval of a particular shock/spring combination.  I hope 
the moderator of the week will allow this posting and yes I do realize it can 
be considered as a "me too posting" or bringing up a dead thread.  Anyway, on 
to the short message.....

I was growing tired of looking at my nose high car and decided that it 
finally needed to be lowered.  I opted for the PJ Grady custom made front 
shocks and euro 1.5 inch lowering spring.  When I picked up my car with the 
new shocks/springs installed I realized I now had a DeLorean and not the 
DeLump I had before.  You may be asking what is a DeLump?  The sound my car 
made and felt like every time I drove over a bump in the road!  I was hoping 
to achieve a cosmetically pleasing (to my eye) look for my car and I ended up 
with that and the added pleasure of a more stable ride.  I had no idea my car 
was in need of a front end upgrade.  FYI the rear is stock and I am happy 
with the way it is.  I am simply stating I am satisfied with my parts and I 
think I made the right decision for me and my car.  Anyway......on to winter 
project number 2.  

Regards,
Darren Decker
VIN 5000     


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:55:13 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: cheap delorean for sale

Ebay has a cheap Delorean for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=545172114&r=0&t=0

For those of you who are looking for something to fix up, this looks 
decent.  You will need to get a new drivers door and front and rear 
fascia though.  Too bad it has a salvage title.

Erik Geerdink
4512....still lookin' for a dashboard and binnicle






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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:06:30 EST
From: CIAsleeper22_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Justin and others recommending car carriers

The company I used was AAAAdvantage Auto transport. They can be contacted at 
www.carmoves.com.

Justin
5172



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:05:44 -0500
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fisherdesign.com>
Subject: Re: Dying Carpet?

Dave et al,
    You may already be familiar with this product, but I thought I'd pass
on the name just in case.  If any of the stains you have on your carpet
are rust stains, you can remove them with a product called "whink" rust
stain remover.  You can get it at Meijer, and I'd imagine most other
large chain stores like that in the home care products isle.  It's sold
in a small brown bottle with a black cap.
    This product is color fast and will not bleach your carpet, but it's
still advisable to test it on a small hidden area before you use it
everywhere.  Basically all you have to do is sprinkle the product on the
offending spots and wipe it off with a dry rag.  The spots will vanish
almost instantaniously.  Very handy for those tough spots where the seat
rails meet the carpet, especially if your roof leaks!
    It's the best rust stain remover I've ever seen, and thought I'd pass
it along.
        -Josh
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964



Dave Stragand wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone had success with dying carpet?  I have some stains I'd like
> to cover.
>



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:54:40 EST
From: dmcfrancis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Dying Carpet?

Dave What kind of Stains do you have in your carpet? I am in the Automotive 
Reconditioning Buisness and I can help you out here...Carpet dying is a last 
ditch effort. The dye is only a temporary fix and it doesn't work as well 
with lite color carpeting In your case Grey is a hard color to dye...E-mail 
me privatly And hopefully I can help you...


Steve Francis.
V.I.N 10676. M/T. Portland, Maine



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:13:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: delorean for sale

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Erik Geerdink wrote:

> Ebay has a  Delorean for sale
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=545172114&r=0&t=0
> 
> For those of you who are looking for something to fix up, this looks 
> decent.  You will need to get a new drivers door and front and rear 
> fascia though.  Too bad it has a salvage title.

There's a drivers-side door up for auction as well:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=542346369

--noah, dead tired and stating the obvious again
VIN #2867

"I discovered my wife in bed with another man and 
I was crushed. So I said "Get off of me you two." 

                            -- Emo Phillips




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:46:37 EST
From: hembry2612_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Original Dealers [in Texas]

Rogers Ford Sales in Midland was an original dealer; That is where I bought 
mine  in 1981  and still have it.


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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:02:37 -0000
From: Bailey7917_at_dml_home.com
Subject: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?

Does anyone know if there is a suitable aftermarket speedometer angle 
drive replacement ?




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:00:52 -0000
From: Bailey7917_at_dml_home.com
Subject: Mode Switch Replacement ?

Does anyone know if there is an aftermarket mode switch that is a 
suitable replacement for the Delorean? 




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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:19:58 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?

I believe that the answers to both your questions are "no"

The DMC Angle drive looks VERY similar to the angle drive that hangs 
on the transmission of an MGB, but it is not the same. MAYBE some of 
the internals would be transfereble, but I'd be surprised if the 
ratios are the same. And from what I've seen of aftermarket MGB 
parts, it's not any cheaper than buying the right one. 

Also - some of the DMC vendors are now selling a "hardened" version 
of the angle drive that should last much longer. Another reason to 
stick with the right stuff. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Bailey7917_at_dml_h... wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a suitable aftermarket speedometer 
angle 
> drive replacement ?




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:28:35 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: cross-drilled brake rotor update

I have been unable to buy Auto Specialty cross-drilled brake rotors for the
rear of my Delorean.  Here is what I have so far:  Auto Specialty told me
that they have the parts in stock.  All I needed to do was order them
through one of their wholesale customers.  I wanted to order them through a
Delorean vendor, but none of them carry this product.  So ordered the parts
from Summit Racing in late November.  I had the front rotors & pads in two
weeks, but they put the rear rotors on back order.  The pads they sold me
were Qualitee brand and look like junk.  The paint on them is chipping off,
and the corner of one of the pads is chipped off.  I don't intend to use
them.

I've made several phone calls trying to figure out what is causing the delay
on the rear rotors.  After getting the run-around at Auto Specialty, they
tell me that they are out of the rear rotors.  I asked if or when they would
make more, and they tell me that the person I need to talk to is not in.
Apparently this person is never in.  I tried asking for Matt Wiess since he
was the one responsible for developing this product, and they told me that
he no longer works for them.

So now I have new front rotors that I don't want to use until I can get new
rear rotors.  My front rotors are fine anyway.  The problem is that one of
my rear rotors is warped and chipped deep enough that it isn't repairable.
I don't want to put the front rotors on my car yet because I am worried that
it might throw my front-to-rear brake proportioning out of wack.  My idea of
buying all 4 rotors was so that they would all be cross-drilled and match.

Now I don't know what to do but wait and hope that I can eventually hear an
explanation from someone.  My brake fluid looks like diarrhea, and the low
fluid switch in the cap was disconnected by the previous owner.  I cleaned
it up and found that it wouldn't work anyway.  I don't want to bleed the
system for fear that clean fluid would cause a leak somewhere.  There
doesn't appear to be any leaks currently.  From papers that came with the
car and previous brake fluid paint damage on a front rim, it appears that
one of the calipers was replaced.  Apparenlty anything that was done to this
car before I bought it was done only half-way just in order to make the car
driveable enough to sell.  Does a new switch/cap come with a rebuilt master
cylinder?  Does anyone have any ideas or experiences concerning
cross-drilled rotors that they would like to share?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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