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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 380
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:43 PM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Delorean Headlights
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

2. From the "Sports Car Market Pocket Price Guide"
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

3. Re: Re: DMC Car covers
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net

4. Re: Re: Battery (was: Battery Straps.)
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net

5. Computer Modeling...
From: "John Schwab" <jschwab_at_dml_utk.edu>

6. Re: DMC Car covers
From: "Gary Gill" <garyg_at_dml_lucent.com>

7. RE: DMC engine upgrades (and AZ event)
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net

8. Re: Battery Straps.
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Re: Re: Battery Straps.
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>

10. Re: DMC engine upgrades
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

11. Re: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

12. RE: Delorean Headlights
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

13. AZ Club Event Gets Press Coverage
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_home.com>

14. RE: Battery (was: Battery Straps.)
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

15. DMC engine upgrades (and AZ event)
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net

16. Re: Antenna and clock locations, per original memos
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

17. Re: Re: Delorean Clock - modification
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net

18. Shills (was: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement?)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:37:20 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Headlights

This sounds like the setup that De Lorean Motor Company sells for 
$229. Includes "non-sealed beam headlights" and xenon boosted bulbs. 
Wattage is a concern for the stock wiring. Several DML'ers have 
installed this kit in their DeLoreans.

We just installed an aftermarket HID headlight setup in our "test" 
car, and while it's going to be mighty expensive, the pure white/blue 
light is really cool.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>I am looking to install some halagen headlights in my D.  The problem that i
>have come across is, i need to find a non sealed beam headlight to put in
>the delorean to install the halagen headlight into.  Does anyone know of any
>serial numbers of headlights that would work for this?  Also will the added
>wattage of the headlights effect the D wiring?
>
>Thanks
>   Willie Mack
>   Vin 5043



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:18:54 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: From the "Sports Car Market Pocket Price Guide"

DeLorean values from Sports Car Market 2001 edition Pocket Price 
Guide... (http://www.sportscarmarket.com)

1981-1983               $15,000-22,500

In the back, they also add these comments:

"Moving slowly from the low teens to the upper teens, average 
DeLoreans will creep past the $20K mark sometime this decade. It 
takes a truly perfect car to bring over $25K."

FWIW.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:32:04 -0700
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net
Subject: Re: Re: DMC Car covers

$5 will get you $10 - - bet you see them on Ebay or offered somewhere else
at a significant profit.   I hate to be this suspicious, but, let's wait
and see.

Hey, whoever bought them - - prove me wrong, please!

Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
VIN 16867





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:49:13 -0700
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net
Subject: Re: Re: Battery (was: Battery Straps.)

I have an Optima battery in my DMC - have had it for nearly 4 years.  It
is, however, no longer unique.  Exide has apparently bought rights to
manufacture a similar battery - gel cell, fully sealed, both top and side
posts on the same battery, etc.  Moreover, Exide makes the NAPA batteries
and they also offer the "Optima" style/type battery.  The NAPA price is
about $30 less than the Optima.

Not a plug - just information for those who might be interested.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867





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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:56:11 -0000
From: "John Schwab" <jschwab_at_dml_utk.edu>
Subject: Computer Modeling...

Hi gals and guys,

I am currently in a senior engineering computer modeling course that 
analyzes the stresses, strains, and surface interactions of objects.  
The course uses ANSYS computer modeling for those who are 
interested.  At any rate, I was wondering if any of you had an idea 
of a part from the Delorean that you would like us to try to model.  
It would need to be something geometrically simple, or something we 
could represent as a simple computer model.  This could be like a 
hinge or a structural piece (no crankshafts, torque converters, 
etc.). Anyway, I thought someone out there might have an idea of 
something that we could practice on, and if you do, please feel free 
to contact me via email at:  jschwab(at)utk.edu.   What I would need 
is a sketch of the part, with dimensions, force loading (which 
directions is it stressed and roughly how much), and the material it 
is made of (stainless, aluminum, steel etc.).  Email me if you have 
any ideas and you think you could help me with obtaining a sketch of 
the part.  Thanks.

The idea behind computer modeling (for those who are interested) is 
to see what areas of the part are highly stressed, then improvements 
in the design can be made to reinforce these stressed areas.


John Schwab
jschwab(at)utk.edu





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:20:02 -0000
From: "Gary Gill" <garyg_at_dml_lucent.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Car covers

Roger,
  I also emailed Covercraft almost immediately after your email hit 
the list and got the same reply.  It seemed amazing to me that 
all ten could have gone so quickly, but I never thought that one 
person would make a bulk order.  I hope they don't show up on Ebay.

-Gary G.




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:44:14 -0700
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net
Subject: RE: DMC engine upgrades (and AZ event)

As one who has had two DeLoreans with twin turbo's (and not TOTALLY happy
with the results), I am interested in the "new" engine.  What I'd like to
hear is just what the modifications consist of, and the offsets to such an
engine "hop-up".

I have no intention to try a do-it-yourself modification.  I'd just like to
know what is involved in the modifications.  Obviously, the very
restrictive exhaust is modified.  Perhaps the fuel management is modified
ala the approach described on the UK DMC club page.  However, they acheive
only 167 HP.  So, is the engine ported and relieved?  Is there a cam
modification?  Or???

Then, once the changes are know, what is the impact on, say, idling, engine
heating, fuel consumption, etc.  I'm not trying to be negative; in fact,
I'm excited about the prospects.  It's just that since the engine has been
dyno tested and both HP and torque figures are being released, it seems to
me that details of the modifications should be easy to explain so that
anyone considering the swap could make a fully informed decision.

James?  Stephen?

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867





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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:45:04 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Straps.

Group, Joe is correct that a battery would take a tremendous amount 
of jarring to cause the battery to hop around, But times over the 
tracks, pot holes, curbs and continued (vibration) from an unsecure 
battery will cause the battery to go bad faster. If you don't believe 
me, then tell me how many of you have had a battery go bad from a 
dead cell and you were stranded and the battery was in the car less 
than two years. Any body that works on cars will tell you, if there 
not trying to sell batteries to strap/bolt it down. When I was in the 
electronics business, I called on Globe Union in Garland,Tx. and they 
told me what I'm telling you. The information isn't unfounded. It's 
from experience. Just trying to help some of us,to not add another 
thing to the list of the De Lorean's stranding you/me.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com



Union who makes most of the batteries     --- In 
dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> John,
> 
> It would take a tremendous amount of jarring to cause the battery 
to hop
> around inside the battery compartment enough to cause plate damage,
> therefore I believe your fears of battery damage due to bumps in 
the road
> may be unfounded.
> 



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:46:02 -0500
From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Battery Straps.

Good point Scott. Why didn't I think of that ;o)
I uploaded the picture to eGroups files. It's called 'batterystrap.jpg'

Tom Niemczewski
vin 6298
tomcio_at_dml_jamesik.com




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 05:05:38 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: DMC engine upgrades

Group / James. In the engine upgrades I have been watching and 
listening the discussions back and fourth and I recently started  
emailing/talking to a man in the U.K. where the emissions is less 
stringent. Where I live they don't check emissions. With a few 
modifications he told me about and done by professionals, headers, 
bored out injectors, re adjust the air flow mixture, no cat., no 
lambda/sensor, and free flowing exhaust they are getting out he said 
about 167 hp +/-. My question/statement is??? ( if ) the 
catalitc/emissions system can't be messed with in the U.S. 
then DMC Houston engine is wonderful at 200+/- HP. that's about 
$71.00 per hp. and the cost is nominal for the upgrade and I assume 
warranted engine. Adding another 30 H.P. costing $167.00 per hp. is 
even better but you are reaching deminishing return and still be 
street legal. My old days with the Cherry Bomb muffler's on vet's and 
headers are gone. U.K. also pointed out, that a blue printed engine, 
modified cam, unsupercharged engine in a replicated car was doing 
260HP. street legal in the U.K. how would you like to drive that. Can 
the DMC Houston upgrade be put in my turbo De Lorean, which has 
already had the pistons modified and no telling what else.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:10:57 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement ?

I wouldn't say made of KRYPTONITE...but they are made with Hardened 
type 416 Stainless steel gears with a bunch of other enhancements.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, ZillaDelorean_at_dml_a... wrote:
> There's no cross reference for the angle drive.
> You can buy a standard DeLorean angle drive from most DeLorean 
dealers.
> PJ Grady's got one with KRYPTONITE gears made to LAST.
> All the best,
> Bob Zilla




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:32:28 -0500
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: Delorean Headlights

If I rmember correctly, I believe that DMC-Houston sells a conversion kit
for just such a switch

Michael

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [DML] Delorean Headlights

I am looking to install some halagen headlights in my D.  The problem that i
have come across is, i need to find a non sealed beam headlight to put in




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:57:51 -0700
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: AZ Club Event Gets Press Coverage

Well, well, wellÖ

Look who made page 4 of the main section of the East Valley Tribune
yesterday!  As Iíve already mentioned in a post, the Second DeLorean Motor
Company Tech Day at Mesa Auto Works was a huge success, drawing 15 cars (a
record for the Arizona club).  Iíve uploaded a scan of the article to the
eGroups Vault.  Itís a .jpg file called  tribune012101 .  Hereís a direct
link:  http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/tribune012101.jpg

Another round of huge thanks go out to Stephen Wynne, James Espey, and Bill
Morgan from DeLorean Motor Company and Stan Davis of Mesa Auto Works for
hosting the event.

Ryan McCaffrey
#10014
Arizona DeLorean Club


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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:32:29 -0500
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: Battery (was: Battery Straps.)

The last battery I had installed in my car before I sold it was simmilar (or
the same. . .can't remember).  Theoretically you could drill a hole through
it, and it would not leak.  Supposedly some type of gel inside, as opposed
to the typical nice caustif "stuff".

Tyler, want to take a peak and see what type it is?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Rubano [mailto:srubano_at_dml_optonline.com]

True, but if you get the Optima Battery (Red Top one) it's built to
take the abuse. Not to mention that you can even install it
upsidedown if you wanted to




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:32:30 -0000
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net
Subject: DMC engine upgrades (and AZ event)

well the following comes to mind.

1) The stage 1 product is just getting ready to be available and 
there will be some likely backorder.
2) 200hp is enough for some.
3) Stage 2 is a good bit off and some people can't wait that long for 
only another 30 hp. Stage three is likely much more of a wait and who 
knows what the hp will be.
4) Stage 2 is likely to be a good bit more expensive then stage 1 
already is. Stage there will likely be even more.

and number

5) You can always just keep waiting for the next improvement. At some 
point you have to cash out and get something.

Personally I'll be waiting for a stage 2 or 3 or but a used 1 or 2 
car when the 2 or 3 comes out.

Regards,

Jeremy



>   Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:57:47 -0500
>   From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
>Subject: RE: DMC engine upgrades (and AZ event)
>
>This coincides with what I have heard.. Now another question...  Why 
>get the
>upgrade now if there is a 230 on the way and then a 3rd stage?
>
>Jack & Virginia Stiefel





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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:24:15 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Antenna and clock locations, per original memos

James,
Thanks for posting the inter-office memos.
The cars in this VIN range 2654-6999, are listed as having no antenna.
Mine, 2981, came with a fixed mast antenna on the right front fender.  Am I
to assume that when the memo says no antenna, that means that an antenna was
not installed at the factory.
Scott Mueller
DOA/DMCNEWS
002981

----- Original Message -----
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Cc: <millennium-concours_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:37 AM
Subject: [DML] Antenna and clock locations, per original memos


> I just posted in the "Millennium" mailing list files area scans of a
> half-dozen parts bulletins, service bulletins and original internal
> De Lorean Motor Company memos about various intro points for
> different parts, including the antenna and center console clock. YMMV.





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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:36:44 -0000
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Clock - modification

So how about some nice pictures? 8)

Jeremy



   From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Clock - modification

In a message dated 1/21/01 6:47:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

<< . I 
 then wrapped that whole area, including the dimmer switch area, in 
stainless 
 steel I got from a 'damaged beyond repair' panel. It looks factory, 
>>

I can vouch for this looking factory also, I road with dan on the 
Fall 
Foliage tour this past October and the set up he made looks like it 
was meant 
to be there.

Later,
Nick
1852
Http://members.aol.com/njp548




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:34:01 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Shills (was: Aftermarket Angle Drive Replacement?)

At last, I'm not the only shill on the DML...   :)

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>There's no cross reference for the angle drive.
>You can buy a standard DeLorean angle drive from most DeLorean dealers.
>PJ Grady's got one with KRYPTONITE gears made to LAST.
>All the best,
>Bob Zilla



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