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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 383
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:20 PM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. DeLorean Australia - now online
From: "Rick Haslewood" <>

2. Re: Delorean on ebay - in Poway, CA
From: "Chris Parnham" <>

3. DeLorean Eurofest 2001
From: "Ray Haug" <>

4. Re: Auto Trans permanently in neutral
From: " " <>

5. Re: Just wierd...
From: "Vicky Miller" <>

6. Re: Just wierd...
From: Brian Henderlong <>

7. Re: Engine Problems
From: "Scott Mueller" <>

8. re:sun star die cast delorean's
From: "Ryan Schooling" <>

9. Re: Is EVERYTHING copyrighted? (was: Battery Straps)
From: "DMC Joe" <>

10. RE: Just wierd...
From: "Brandon" <>

11. humorous John DeLorean reference...

12. Wanted: older black door pull strap (no D-ring)

13. AZ Club/DMC event in the news
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <>

14. Re: DMC engine upgrades
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

15. Tarnished Dash
From: Declan Kelly <>

16. crazy idea

17. Re: wierd

18. Fuel economy and the new performance engine
From: James Espey <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:38:15 +1100
From: "Rick Haslewood" <>
Subject: DeLorean Australia - now online

DeLorean Australia is now online at for those of you who want to check it out. 

I'm off on holidays now but I'll be back on Monday to answer any questions you might have :-) I sure hope no one encounters any problems with the site, because I won't be able to fix them until I get back.

See you all later,

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:30:13 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <>
Subject: Re: Delorean on ebay - in Poway, CA

The Wheels look non-standard....We have stocks of new original seat covers
if any one wants any.

Chris P DOC UK   chrisparnham (at)

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cox" <>
Subject: [DML] Delorean on ebay - in Poway, CA

> This D is right in my neighborhood.  I would be willing to take a look at
it if anyone is interested in it.  Let me know at dmcox(at)
> Dave
> vin 16367


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:00:48 -0000
From: "Ray Haug" <>
Subject: DeLorean Eurofest 2001

DeLorean owners and enthusiats are invited to attend one of the most 
anticipated international DeLorean events in the 20 years of this 
exciting automobile - Eurofest 2001. Eurofest 2001 will be held in 
Belfast Northern Ireland on May 24 to May 27, 2001, and will include 
a visit to the original DeLorean Factory site, a drive on the 
DeLorean test track, a reception and dinner at the Stormont Assembly, 
and a helicopter ride to see the entire Dunmurray area. Complete 
information and registration is available on-line now at:

Sponsored by the DeLorean Owners Association and the DeLorean Owners 
Club UK.

Helpful travel tips and web sites are included to make your travel 
planning easy.

Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:42:48 -0000
From: " " <>
Subject: Re: Auto Trans permanently in neutral

The problem you are describing does appear unusual. The way I would 
start would be to verify that both ends of the shift cable are 
connected and adjusted properly. This requires the car to be raised 
off the ground and drop the oil and pan. The cable could also have 
broken or one of the ends came off. If you find that the shift cable 
is working and the trans still doesn't move you could have a bad shift 
valve body to a bad pump to blown clutches. The next step would be to 
see what the line pressure is. Without good line pressure you won't be 
going anywhere. Make sure there is enough trans fluid and it isn't 
"burnt". Check these things and get back to the list if the trouble 
isn't obvious. If when you pull the pan down and it is full of 
friction materiel you will be "biting the big one"(a full rebuild of 
the trans).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:24:02 -0500
From: "Vicky Miller" <>
Subject: Re: Just wierd...

hello this person bids on ebay stuff all the time. bet he is a member of the
DML? bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Danrc30 <>
Subject: [DML] Just wierd...

>This is the strangest item for sale for a DeLorean I've ever seen.
>Maybe I'm missing something here... what does it have to do with
>DeLoreans? Does this guy just hate DeLoreans? I just don't get it...
>Here's the link:


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:34:36 -0500
From: Brian Henderlong <>
Subject: Re: Just wierd...

At 12:06 AM 01/25/2001 -0000, you wrote:
>Does this guy just hate DeLoreans? I just don't get it... 

I don't think so... in fact, the seller is probably a listmember!  He/she
is also offering one of those posters we've discussed on the list before...
you know, the one of a DeLorean against a blue background where the
negative was reversed so that it "kinda" looks like a Right-Hand-Drive car
to the untrained eye?  People are always misrepresenting it as a poster of
a RHD DeLorean -- I hate it when people do that!

Anyway, I think he/she just picked the DeLorean to draw people's attention
to those little "fake bullet hole" stickers -- which probably wouldn't look
good on a 'D' anyway, because they mimic flaking paint.


- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- DeLorean:
- Impala SS:


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:09:42 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <>
Subject: Re: Engine Problems

When you opened the fuel distributor, did you remove the piston?  If you
did, you may have put the piston back in upside down.  Also, the needle and
seat on the side of the fuel distributor may have stuck.  Give Steve Wynne,
DeLorean Joe or Rob Grady a call.  They can tell you which way the piston is
supposed to go in.  If you are not close to any of the DMC Service
centers,find a Bosch service center that can check all of the various fuel
pressures and make the proper adjustments to the system.

Scott Mueller
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrei Cular <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: [DML] Engine Problems

> Ok I have finally reached the point of fustration that I am going to ask
> help.
, and rebuilt the fuel distributor, even after everyone
> told me not to> My problem is that it would not accelerate.  When I would
hit the gas it
> would just bogg down and eventually stall unless I pushed the air sensor
> plate down by hand.  > The only part of the fuel system that I have not
replaced or cleaned out is
> the accumlator


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:19:24 -0000
From: "Ryan Schooling" <>
Subject: re:sun star die cast delorean's

In the message it was mentioned that the Delorean "1:16" models were nearing 
production, I was under the impression that they were to be "1:18" scale, Or 
am I wrong
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:06:56 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Is EVERYTHING copyrighted? (was: Battery Straps)

Tom & All,

Before we "beat up" the DOA be aware that my comment was not to infer that
the DOA was placing any restrictions on the use of their photo. What I
should have said was: "you should ask for their permission before

DeLorean World did an excellent job on the battery belt graphic and they
should get credit for any republication of their materiel; i.e. "DeLorean
World Magazine" or "Photo Supplied By .."  at the bottom of the picture.

I've been a member of the DOA for over 15 years and wouldn't want to tarnish
my reputation in any way. All of the preceding are my personal comments and
have no connection with the administrators or staff of the DeLorean Owners
Association or "DeLorean World Magazine".

PS: Tom; sorry that I may have misled you.


"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: (TEMPORARY)<>

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Niemczewski <>
Subject: [DML] Is EVERYTHING copyrighted? (was: Battery Straps)


> Hi all,
> I don't understand this 'copyright' stuff. Is DOA crazy or something? This
> picture is no intelectual property so why is it copyrighted? it.
> Tom Niemczewski
> vin 6298
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DMC Joe" <>
> > The battery strap diagram in question was published in an issue of
> DeLorean
> > World Magazine, to avoid a copyright infringement you will need to get
> their
> > permission before publication.


Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:00:19 -0500
From: "Brandon" <>
Subject: RE: Just wierd...

That seller has those listed on Yahoo all the time.  He just picks
a car out and puts it in the description.  Recently,  he has mentioned
Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Firebird, etc.....  Its clever marketing.
Very few people would do a search for " Fake Bullet Holes " But,  add
in the name of a popular car, and you suddenly have a few hundred DML
going to look at his item.



Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:27:54 EST
Subject: humorous John DeLorean reference...

Hey guys,

this funny little tabloid e-paper makes a brief mention of JZD, even though it's not accurate:


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:32:45 EST
Subject: Wanted: older black door pull strap (no D-ring)

Hey guys,

i know this isn't really the place to post this, but i've already tried the major dealers and i don't think this part is available anymore... so now i turn to you.

i'm looking for a black door pull strap, but i need the one that is on 82's and 83's, which goes into the lower door panel.  the 81's (so i am told) are on a ring and go around the door handles.  if anyone has the later kind, in black, please email me privately.  it would also be nice to get the hardware (screws, clips) as well, though that is not as important.  condition is not too important, just so long as it is not ripped or torn.



Message: 13
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:09:22 -0700
From: "Ryan McCaffrey" <>
Subject: AZ Club/DMC event in the news

Well, well, wellÖ

Look who made page 4 of the main section of the East Valley Tribune this
past Sunday!  As Iíve already mentioned in a post, the Second DeLorean Motor
Company Tech Day at Mesa Auto Works was a huge success, drawing 15 cars (a
record for the Arizona club).  Iíve uploaded a scan of the article to the
eGroups Vault.  Itís a .jpg file called  tribune012101 .  Hereís a direct

Another round of huge thanks go out to Stephen Wynne, James Espey, and Bill
Morgan from DeLorean Motor Company and Stan Davis of Mesa Auto Works for
hosting the event.

Ryan McCaffrey
Arizona DeLorean Club

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:59:50 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Re: DMC engine upgrades

I understand the concern for QA on the install of the engine mod, but 
what about supplying the other D vendors with the parts so that they 
can perform them too if they wanted to? It would be very cost 
prohibited for someone who, let's say, is in NY to ship there car, or 
engine, to TX for the mods then have it shipped back. The cost would 
be WELL over the inital $5,000 to do + the time off from work to 
drive it down there and back or shipping the engine. I am sure that 
the other vendors would have the same concerns as Houston would have 
and they would be able to provide he same quality of work for the 
same price minus all the shipping charges, driving time/milege.
Just a suggestion.

Ok, now I am probably going to get a little technical here:

Are the headers Mandrel Bent? There is a difference in the bend on a 
standard bent header and a Mandrel bent one. A standard bent one does 
not have a uniform inner diameter at the bends where it can restrict 
the exhaust. A mandrel bent header IS uniform all the way through 
including the bends, no restrictions at all. Of course it is a little 
bit more money for Mandrel bends, but not much. Also are they ceramic 
coated or just bare metal? As you can see I've done my homework on 
this. Since the first day I got my D and I looked in the engine 
compartment I got sick just looking at the exhaust system in there. 
The worst design I have ever seen.

How about a Stage 0, meaning someone can just purchase the exhaust 
system alone to get a few more HP instead of plunking down $5,000 at 
once? At least this gives the option to a DIY'er (like me :)) to do 
it. I can understand the QA of the entire engine mod, but any 
mechanically inclined person can install an exhaust system without 
damaging the engine. Also if someone did decide to go for the "whole 
enchalada" later on they already have part of the system. If you did 
only make an "Exhaust only" kit, it shouldn't be that hard to keep up 
with the demand for it since you can have a lot of them made and ship 
them off as a normal stock item. Or take pre-orders to see how many 
you are going to need. 
Again just a suggestion.

You said one muffler is installed? Unless it was a typo. If it's only 
one why not two? That would be better performance wise.

Now if someone could only come up with a way of putting in Larger 
(bored out) cylinder sleaves with matching pistons and a performance 
crank to match, that engine would have a nice KICK to it. ;)

I've had allot of people ask me why I would do all of this to a 
Delorean engine and not just get an old SS, Mustang or just drop a 
small block into the D and modify that engine. Well that would be to 
easy since it's been done! I like the challenge...that's what a hobby 
is suppose to be. Anyone have an old D engine (working or not) they 
are willing to give away for some "experiments"?

Steve (still doing my homework on this) ;)


Message: 15
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:56:07 -0500
From: Declan Kelly <>
Subject: Tarnished Dash

Ever since I have owned my Delorean I have tried to battle this problem.
My dash has a dirty/dark brown/black look to the gray. The stain seems to be
Darker as it gets closer to the windshield!. I have tried several off the
shelf products
with no effect. I have never tried anything too harsh just in-case I cause
A friend suggested painting it with a vinyl paint.

Is their any cleaner I could try! Or maybe a paint.
Can someone help? Thanks Guys.

PS. As I look at it now, the stain seems to be deeply imbedded into the
Almost like the previous owner was a long time heavy smoker. 


Message: 16
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:31:15 -0000
Subject: crazy idea

   My mother suggested that I get Actors/crew of back to the future 
to sign my car. I realized that would be a lot of work, but yet a 
good idea. The Big question: Does anyone know of any contacts to get 
in touch with representatives of the actors?
  Also, this made me think:  If I take out the glove box cover and 
send it with return postage to John Z himself, would he be likely to 
sign it?
Just thinking,


Message: 17
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:03:53 EST
Subject: Re: wierd

In a message dated 1/24/01 11:55:38 PM Central Standard Time, writes:


Hehee! Look again at the very end! It was evidently updated this morning.

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:18:06 -0500
From: James Espey <>
Subject: Fuel economy and the new performance engine

Stephen just got back from Arizona, and our black automatic 'test' 
car fitted with the new high performance engine, exhaust, shocks, 
springs, and a few other secret projects averaged 26 mpg for the 1200 
or so miles highway trip from Phoenix to Houston. Having no real 
highway experience with a stock automatic I can't say if this is 
great or just good, but I think it's a bit less than a stock 
automatic. I used to average around 28-29 in my stock five-speed on 
long highway trips (Phoenix-Nashville, Phoenix-Cincinnati, 
Houston-St. Louis).

YMMV :-)

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas