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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 418
Date: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:52 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Minnesota Meet
From: Jim Reeve <>

2. West Virginia DeLorean

3. Re: MAINE&New Hampshire owners
From: Mark Fearer <>

4. Re: Get Together
From: "ian" <>

5. John DeLorean letter

6. DeLorean Car Show (Memphis Update)

7. Re: New Delorean Owner here_at_dml_
From: Marc A Levy <>

8. Re: Thanks and Things
From: Marc A Levy <>

9. re: old topic, History Channel
From: "Ryan Schooling" <>

10. Re: Door Handles

11. Re: Car and Driver Question
From: "Jake" <>

12. Re: Door Handles
From: "DMC Joe" <>

13. Re: Re: Probs with fuel pump & RPM relay
From: "DMC Joe" <>

14. Re: Fred Lockett
From: "DMC Joe" <>

15. Re: Re: Zilla Says Howdy to All + Walt
From: "DMC Joe" <>

16. Re: parts cross-compatibility

17. Are these new tail light boards a Zilla product?

18. Re: Front lower control arms (was: parts cross-compatibility)
From: Mike Substelny <>

19. Zilla, Can the Fans run with the ignition off ?

20. Re: Door Handles

21. Re: Door Handles
From: Dee Moats <>

22. Re: Re:Door Lock Problems

23. Re: John DeLorean letter
From: Marc A Levy <>

24. Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners

25. Re: Car and Driver Question

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:24:34 -0600
From: Jim Reeve <>
Subject: Minnesota Meet

Well, with all of these people posting about local owners getting
together, I figure now would be a better time than ever to mention what
I have been planning.  As I stated to the folks on my local Minnesota
list, I plan to have a gathering sometime this spring.  Well, since then
I haven't worked out any details yet, but the date I have planned is
Saturday, May 5th.  It would be in or around the Minneapolis, MN area. 
Anyone interested who is not on the MN list please email me directly. 

See you there.
Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:08:02 EST
Subject: West Virginia DeLorean

 Brad and West Virginia area owners,

     I am scheduled to be in Charleston West Virginia on Friday Feb 23 thru
 the next week or so. I am planning to drive the DeLorean.  Would any of you
like to
 get together then?
     In addition, there is a brand new DeLorean on the Dealership floor
 in Beckley West Virginia. It is an 82 Automatic 111 miles Gray Leather.
  I am going to be at the White Sulfur Springs Resort & Golf Course then
 traveling north to Charleston.

 Michael Pack
 VIN 3713


Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:19:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Fearer <>
Subject: Re: MAINE&New Hampshire owners

On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 wrote:
> I was wondering if there were any more owners in Maine on the List Besides 
> Tom Watkins And I (Steve Francis)... And if there are any owners in New 
> Hampshire on the list....Steve 10676

 Greetings, from Mark Fearer in Manchester, New Hampshire.

vin 3072


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:16:58 +0800
From: "ian" <>
Subject: Re: Get Together

Go to W.Virginia!

I'd encourage you East Coast DMCers to take Brad up on his offer. I went to
W.Virginia in June,2000 to a motorcycle Rally in Marlinton and had a blast.
The roads were smooth 'twisties', no traffic, and gorgeous countryside. The
Police had never seen a N.Irish or HongKong driving licence before and gave
up writing this Foreign Biker a ticket for 92mph on top of the mountains.

Food was excellent, interesting 'hillbilly' culture (driving pickups and
shooting bears), and fresh, fresh air. It was GREAT!

Cheers,           IAN (back in HongKong in the smog!)
                       Vin. 00780, 01205, & 06425
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:07 AM
Subject: [DML] Get Together

>     Hello fellow D lovers,
>  I was wondering if there were any owners that would like to get together
> here in West Virginia,,,as far as I know I am the only hillbilly here on
> list,,,I have a great location to have a picnic or what ever,,,there is
> always tons of shows on the weekends to go to during the summer and I have
> plenty of parking here at my home and also I could park up to 10 cars in
> secured garages,,,,hotels are only 7 miles away and there are plenty of
> country back roads for us to cruise. If anyone would be interested please
> e-mail me.
>    Thanks
>    Brad Vincent
>    vin: 16709
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:27:57 EST
Subject: John DeLorean letter

I now have a web page up with the information that JZD wants to share with us.
<A HREF=""></A>

I did a quick glance through it and a big thanks to Gary for putting it up.  
It appears I have a one page that is duplicated (9 or 10) and I will get that 
fixed shortly but its long reading so this will at least give you a good 

As John sends more I will post it 



Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:47:03 EST
Subject: DeLorean Car Show (Memphis Update)


I just wanted to take a few minutes to update everyone on the Memphis show.  
I know its a long way off still but there were a number of people that said 
they did not know about the Cleveland Show and would I please update the list 
more often.

My wife and I went to Memphis this past weekend to check out the events and 
top sign the contracts.  We were treated wonderfully by everyone and had a 
great time.

We also stayed at the Heartbreak Hotel at Graceland.  

The Hotel

Our room was really nice.  We had the King with the fold away sleeper in the 
other room.  I travel a lot and this is one of the nicer rooms I have been 
in.  The Lobby is all Elvis.  The tv shows, movies etc everything.  The 
people at the desk are great also.

ONE NOTE:  Included in the room charges will be a complimentary continental 
breakfast each morning.

We reviewed the program and where we will be having the events and a note 
here that if the number of people increases fromt the estimated amount we 
will be able to move things around to accomodate.  Saturday night will be the 

I met Jeff in Tennesee and he an his wife are very nice and will be the ones 
doing the driving tour part.

It looks as though we will be expanding the Thursday event and I will be 
updating you on that later.  We will be starting in the late morning instead 
of evening if things go well so keep that in mind.

The Hollywood Casino is Grand.  We had a great time there and the room is 
huge so no problems here. 

One thing we did makes sure to do was the Gospel Brunch on Beale Street 
Sunday.  Make sure you sign up for this one.  Food was very good and the 
singers Heavenly (lol).

I have a ton of pictures and will be posting some soon.


<A HREF=""></A>


Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:33:27 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <>
Subject: Re: New Delorean Owner here_at_dml_


The fuel senders in the tank have a high failure rate, and is the most likely
cause of your problem.  I don't think there is any relation to the previous
owner disconnecting the battery.

The sender is very easy to get to, and replace.  You can also take the
opportunity to check the condition of the rubber hoses in the fuel tank.

You can either try and locate or original (working) fuel sender unit and risk it
breaking again, or go with a "Tankzilla" sold by many DeLorean vendors including
PJ Grady (See, and DMC Joe (Dont have his URL handy, but
he posts to the DML all the time!).

Although I don't know your mechanical abilities, the replacement procedure is
very low on the scale of difficulty and can be done without getting under the
car.  While you could ship the car to one of the well known DMC mechanics, I
think it would be unnecessary for such a small repair.  Both PJ Grady and DMC
Joe will help you over the phone if necessary.


Michael Pike wrote:
> Now, for my first question :)
> With this Delorean having the low mileage that it
> does, it's history is pretty brief, it's driven once a
> month for a few miles to keep the engine lubed up...
> because it was driven once a month, the previous owner
> used to disconnect the battery between drives.
> Because of this, the gas/fuel gauge has "sprung" all
> the way to the top, and no longer functions.  (Only
> flaw with the car).


Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:01:20 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <>
Subject: Re: Thanks and Things

Michael Pike wrote:
> Second - another dumb newbie question.... as I
> mentioned before, the car I have is in pristine
> condition, not a spec of rust, or even a ding.  The
> guy told me he uses copper/silver polish, followed by
> a coat of Eagle-1 (armourall type product) on the
> stainless steel, and if any scratches show up, he uses
> a brillo pad and gently rubs them out.... however, he
> did not mention if it's safe to take the car to a
> standard pressure wash type car wash (no brushes, the
> standard high powered spray)...

NO!!! Dont use BRILLO or any Steel Wool product on the stainless.  If you need
to remove light scratches use a scotch-brite pad, and stay WITH the grain in
straight lines.  You are essentially re-scratching the stainless in the correct
direction to remove the visible incorrect scratch.

> I noticed a thread about brake lights going on also -
> much to my dismay, I found the second flaw with my new
> Delorean, the gas gauge was first, and thanks to a
> fellow driver, I now realize I have no brake lights
> :(.

There was just (another) long thread on this topic.  You may have broken circuit
boards in the tail lights.  Remove the lenses, and check the boards.  You may
want to flex them a bit and see if they come on with movement.  If they do, then
you have the classic problem with the rivets coming loose on them.  Some have
had luck with soldering the sockets to the board, or adding a nut/bolt through
each rivet to tighten them up.  The permanent fix it to replace them with a
improved board design.  You can purchase the improved tail lamp boards from a
number of vendors.



Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:06:42 -0000
From: "Ryan Schooling" <>
Subject: re: old topic, History Channel

I just want to know when it's going to be on again, same goes for the E true 
Hollywood story. I sick and tired of missing them. I've missed them both 
atleast twice.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:55:36 EST
Subject: Re: Door Handles

In a message dated 2/18/01 10:54:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

> I put the metal door handles on from PJ Grady. Works very well. Installation 
> was very simple.

Yes the metal door handle replacements that have been available from most 
DeLorean Parts suppliers, for some time now, are of excellent quality.  I too 
have installed a pair I purchased from PJ Grady a few years ago.  
Installation is very simple and quick.  Probably about 15 or 20 mins 

Gary Gore
VIN 3360

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:09:07 -0600
From: "Jake" <>
Subject: Re: Car and Driver Question


The engine is a PRV.  As I understand it (anybody jump in here if I'm
wrong), DeLorean Motor Company had their contract with Renault to supply
engines.  Sometimes the desire for simplicity in broadcast writing can leave
a few details out.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Cowan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:48 AM
Subject: [DML] Car and Driver Question

> I just watched the Car and Driver thing on the delorean....
> I thought it was a PRV (peugot, renault, volvo)
> The gentleman on the show claims it as a Renault. Thats all he said.
> Whats the deal? Was Renault the manufacturer of the PRV or something?\


Message: 12
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:21:10 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Door Handles


Who is selling plastic door handles for $100?

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Moats <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Door Handles

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:11:22 -0700, wrote:
> "I know DMC Houston and a few others have original replacements. To tell
> the truth I think a 100 bucks for a cheap piece of plastic that will
> eventually break again is rediculous. "
> My door handle was replaced by DMC Houston just recently and the
> was an all metal piece not the original OEM plastic.  I also think that
> bucks for a cheap piece of plastic is a steep price to pay but most OEM
> pieces are expensive.  By the way how long did that cheap piece of plastic
> last? hmm must be something wrong!  A cheap piece of plastic shouldn't
> that long!
> #04434 (Original owner)


Message: 13
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 03:59:31 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Probs with fuel pump & RPM relay


Your statement is incorrect; you said:
"My 2 cents is: the coil he is talking about is in the distributor ( impulse
coil ). I show it on my site. If it goes out, you will not be able to start
the car unless you hot wire it.I know, I just installed a new one in my

The most common symptom of a defective impulse coil is that the engine will
shut off after it is up to temperature and will not re-start until the
engine completely cools down. If the "no start" problem is related to a
failure of the impulse coil there is no way to "hot wire" the high voltage
section of the ignition system.

Additionally, FYI Knut was refereeing to the ignition coil not the impulse


"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 1:58 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Probs with fuel pump & RPM relay

> 88, Knut is correct naturally, My 2 cents is: the coil he is talking
> about is in the distributor ( impulse coil ). I show it on my site.
> If it goes out, you will not be able to start the car unless you hot
> wire it.I know, I just installed a new one in my 11004.
> John Hervey
>      --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_i... wrote:
> > I think the problem stems from a little misunderstanding of the
> > operation of the RPM relay.
> >
> > The RPM relay receives an impulse from the coil (I suspect it's
> > the same signal driving the tach) that essentially informs it that
> the
> > engine is running. After the relay no longer sees any impulses, it
> > will shut off after a couple seconds in order to avoid running when
> > the engine is stopped. Although it is true that the relay will shut
> > off after a couple seconds, I don't think it's supposed to turn on
> > first unless presented with an impuse on its sense signal (first
> > spark when cranking).
> >
> > The RPM relay is actually pretty simple and it's based on a
> > run-o-the-mill 555 timer circuit (you can still get 555 timers at
> > Radio Shack even though they really only sell cell phones and
> > remote-controlled cars nowadays).
> >
> >         Knut
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., at88mph_at_dml_m... wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not getting power to my fuel pump when I turn the key to the
> > 'run'
> > > position. (when the pump should run for two to three seconds and
> > then shut
> > > off )  I know that my RPM relay is fine.   I tested it in another
> > DeLorean
> > > and it does work.


Message: 14
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:00:23 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Fred Lockett

Fred  Lockett is long gone and so is his parts inventory. There is no "off
the shelf" converter by-pass. Take your DeLorean to a reputable service
dealer who works on performance and or racing cars. You might even find a
local muffler shop that can do the job. Play it smart and get several (at
least three) evaluations and estimates before you make a final decision.


"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 3:27 AM
Subject: [DML] Fred Lockett

> I have been reading thru my Delorean work magazines I got for X-mass and
> noticed that Fred Lockett Sold alot of parts to modify DeLorean's...I was
> wondering Does he still sell parts or might he have a few left to sell if
> is not in the DeLorean buisness?...Also Is Harry Ward still around and
> he have some leftover parts from his buisness? I hope this isn't a stupid
> Question. But I have only been a owner since Fall of 99 and learn more
> the car everyday... Steve Francis. Vin 10676 MT.....P.S. Does anyone know
> where i can get a Cat Converter by-pass pipe??? Here in Maine we have no
> emissions testing and the DeLorean being a collector car woul be exempt
> Emissions testing in the future....Hope someone can awsner my
> Questions....Steve...In Snowy Maine where it looks like us DeLorean Owners
> will be able to Drive our cars by Mid-July....


Message: 15
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 04:01:57 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Zilla Says Howdy to All + Walt


There is not an error in the wiring diagram concerning the cooling fan
circuit. The fan motors are powered from the battery and the factory
installed Fan Fail relay is activated by the run relay. You are correct
about the fact that most cars cooling fans ('s) will continue to run after
the ignition is turned off. The Fanzilla works in a similar fashion but
overrides the factory design to allow the fans to turn off sequentially even
after the ignition is turned off.


"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Zilla Says Howdy to All + Walt

> I was speaking to Mr. Zilla himself and he also said the same thing.
> There is an error in the wiring diagram.
> Almost every car with electric fans has their fans directly wired
> from the battery. Ever walk by a car and hear the fan under the hood
> still spining even the though the car is parked and off? They do this
> so that if the car is still hot when you park and shut it off, it can
> continue to cool the hot antifreeze if needed to. Once the temp drops
> to a normal temp then a sensor shuts the fans down. I belive the Fan
> Zilla does this also, If I'm wrong maybe Bob Z. or one of the vendors
> can correct me? It is a nice feature to have.
> An error in the Delorean manual/wiring diagram? <gasp>!
> Maybe Wayne can correct this as he is creating the new Delorean
> manual?
> Steve
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> > Walt,
> >
> > You said, concerning the cooling fan circuit:
> >
> > "Perhaps the best fix would be a combination of these two.  Re-
> route the fan
> > power around the main relay and stage the loads"
> >
> > The cooling fans do not receive power through either the accessory
> or run
> > relay they are powered directly from the battery, therefore there
> is no need
> > to change that part of the circuit.


Message: 16
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:29:40 -0000
Subject: Re: parts cross-compatibility

Steve & Nick,
Sorry to get so excited about the control arm. We just do not want 
anyone confusing the the arms we are fabricating with a ford refab. 
This is not a "top secret" mission or anything, we just are not 
prepaired to start selling the arms and the time line is still a bit 
foggy. We do not want to get to far ahead of ourselves:)
Many thanks


Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:04:35 EST
Subject: Are these new tail light boards a Zilla product?

Walt writes about original Tail light boards:

I still am not happy with relying on the OEM connectors.  Lead solder makes
for a terrible friction connection, and this is exactly what the OEM boards
use -- although I haven't heard of these giving anyone any problems.  
The best fix would be to use the new boards since they have gold plated
connectors instead of the OEM tin/lead solder.
By the way, are these new tail light boards a Zilla product?



Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:38:26 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Re: Front lower control arms (was: parts cross-compatibility)

Hoping to replace his control arms, Walt said:

> I asked Rob Grady for a new set and immediately he went off
> on a tangent telling me how to straighten my old ones.  I stopped him and
> said, "No, you don't understand; I want new ones."  And then he stuck the
> realizer to me pretty quick.  I may have some details wrong, but I
> understood that he said that there are no NOS ones left.  Used ones in good
> condition I think fetch $610 a piece.

Dave Bauerle here in Ohio sells some hard-to-find fixes, including
remanufactured steering racks.  Though I have never asked him, he might be able
to get remanufactured control arms, too.  It cannot hurt to ask.  I suggest that
you give him a call at (740) 595-3348.

If he can get them, please let the rest of us know.

- Mike Substelny


Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:51:53 EST
Subject: Zilla, Can the Fans run with the ignition off ?

While it has been implied that FanZilla doesn't "relieve" the load to the 
car's  main power relay 
The Fans DO NOT RUN THROUGH  the car's Main Ignition Switched Power Relay. 
Hence,  the Main Power Relay doesn't need to be "relieved".

Further,  in nearly 20 years Rob Grady is hard pressed to remember a single 
instance when he's had to replace a MAIN Power relay.
( It is important to understand :  The Main Ign Switched Power Relay is NOT 
the same as the cooling fan relay. )

FanZilla can run the fans even with the engine off and the key removed.
"Will my stock D's fans run with the ign off ?"
Only the FanZilla system controller can do this.

Clearly,  this was intended in the original design of the car. 
The DeLorean has a sticker on the fan shroud alerting you to this.

Intelligent Fan system control was accommodated in the car's original wiring 
but not implemented in production.
There were many things DMC just didn't get to do.
Imagine what they would have done if they were still around today ?

The complete schematic of the car is correct relative to the fan wiring.
The Single page break out schematic is wrong.

One final note:
When both Cooling Fans switch on and off together a HUGE spike is created on 
the power grid. This is cut in half with FanZilla's sequenced cycling.

The Idea of removing one fan from service to reduce the electrical load & 
spike is an accident waiting to happen. Failure of the remaining fan would 
not be pretty.  Operation on hot days with a single fan WILL run the engine 
hotter than it needs to be. 
Not wise.

Bob Zilla


Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:07:38 -0000
Subject: Re: Door Handles

while we are on the subject of door handles.  Does anybody else get a 
couple of little scuff marks on the stainless above the door handle?  
It happens on my car when the door handle is pulled it makes contact 
with the door skin causing scuff marks in the stainless.  Is there a 
way to adjust the door handle mechanicals so the handle doesn't 
contact the stainless?   The scuff marks will come out with a little 
work from a scotchbright pad, but I thought that I'd like to prevent 
them from happening in the first place.

Dennis Lowery
VIN 4797


Message: 21
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:09:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Dee Moats <>
Subject: Re: Door Handles

You have confused with someone else (bailey), my new handle is metal and no
price was stated in my post.  #04434

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:21:10 -0500, wrote:

  Who is selling plastic door handles for $100?

Send a cool gift with your E-Card


Message: 22
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:21:23 EST
Subject: Re: Re:Door Lock Problems

In a message dated 2/18/01 6:51:51 PM Central Standard Time, writes:

> I took the whole door apart, and needless to say it wasn't 


instead of buying the 'keyed' firtrees, i found it much easier to find some 
by HELP! which have two discs at the top.  with tin snips, i broke off 1/3 of 
the smaller disc on the tip of it, and then i was able to twist it into the 
door panels.  pretty painless, and i was able to buy as many as i needed at 
my local Checker Auto.

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:14:22 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <>
Subject: Re: John DeLorean letter

Some comments:

Top of Page 7, JZD talks about a link between Lotus and GM.  As we all know,
Lotus had a huge role in the design of the DMC..  Seems like a conflict of
interest for GM, now the accusations of "missing money" for Lotus makes some

Top of Page 11, "British Sickness"?  The context implies that Sir Cork is a
homosexual.  Although I have never heard this term before, it seems politically
incorrect..  I guess JZD does not care.

In general, this looks like a legal document.  Is this something JZD was using
(or has used) for legal action? Or was this something he wrote to try and
publicize "his story"..  

If he is just trying to clear his name, he should write another book, and get on
the talk show circuits to sell it.  IMHO.

Id love to get this in a printable format (PDF?), it would be great to hand out
at car shows when people ask if JZD is still in jail.  :)

Marc wrote:
> I now have a web page up with the information that JZD wants to share with us.
> <A HREF=""></A>


Message: 24
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:01:15 -0000
Subject: Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners

I would love to get together with local owners.  I live in Woodbridge 
Va. (about 20 miles south of Washington D.C.).  Drives in the country 
and meals at interesting diners are nice, but I think that I am more 
inclined to attend more technical meetings.  You know, when we all get 
together and adjust doors, make small repairs or otherwise work on our 
cars and maybe include a bar-b-que at the end of the day.

Please count me in for anything and let me know if I can help.

Dennis Lowery
VIN. 4797
>     Would any owners from the Washington, DC, Northern, VA, 
> Delaware, Pennsylvania areas like to get together?


Message: 25
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:25:39 EST
Subject: Re: Car and Driver Question

If I am not mistaken, the PRV was a joint effort between Peugeot, Renault, 
and Volvo to build a decent V6 engine that they could all use in their 
respective cars. The development was mostly volvo's effort while the other 
two pitched in. In the end I believe they were all manufactured by Volvo.

I will have to check on this though. I work at a Volvo dealer and they will 
definately know.