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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 427
Date: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:09 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Auto trans gov. problems...
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

2. Re: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...
From: "Mark Hershey" <dmcinfo_at_dml_thehersheys.com>

3. Re: Auto trans gov. problems...
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

4. Re: More fuse talk
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

5. Re: Eagle Premier 3 Litre engine
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. Re: Re: Eagle Premier 3 Litre engine
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: auto-eject of tapedeck
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

8. Selling Help
From: "Derrick Viane" <clarion9375r_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

10. NEED HELP
From: Frank Blah <theamdman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Fw: [doc] Fw: John Z DeLorean
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

12. Re: Arizona Events
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>

13. Re: Arizona Events
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

14. ref John DeLorean
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

15. Re: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

16. New Delorean Web Site
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. lambda sensor switch
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

18. RE: New DeLorean Web Site
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

19. Re: Arizona Events
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

20. Re: lambda sensor switch
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

21. Probably not my governor...
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

22. Re: Auto trans gov. problems...
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

23. Re: Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: DeLorean on Car & Driver Today
From: rdh_at_dml_hozt.com

25. Delorean for sale on E-bay
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:00:37 -0600
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Auto trans gov. problems...

Richard,

I've had the prob you are having before.  It turned out to be that the
computer governor cable(s) had gotten burnt on the exhaust manifold.  Check
the wires running from the engine compartment down to your tranny and check
for any signs of burns to the cables.


Hope this helps,


Duke

----- Original Message -----
From: <RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [DML] Auto trans gov. problems...


> Pete, thank you for the help, but my mechanic (who knows DeLoreans
> pretty well, at least better than any other mechanic in my area)
> said they already isolated the problem.  According to them, they tested
the
> transmission without the governor and they couldn't find any
> mechanical problems; they were sure it was electrical. (And since I
> don't know jack about cars, I wouldn't be able to do what you described.)
>
> So would you recommend I get a new governor on warranty and have the
> same place re-install it to see what happens, should I go someplace
> else for a second opinion, or something else?
>
> But thank you for the testing method...I will save your mail incase I
> need it,
>
> Richard
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:15:04 -0600
From: "Mark Hershey" <dmcinfo_at_dml_thehersheys.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...

Might try disconnecting the kickdown microswitch --one of the two that are
actuated by the throttle spool at wide open throttle. The other one cuts off
the A/C compressor. Unplug both if you can't easily tell which is which.
There's an inline connector a few inches downstream from the switches; just
separate them there and drive the car. If the switch is the culprit the car
will now drive fine, but won't downshift when you floor it.

 The switch is supposed to cause a 3 to 2 (or even to first, depending on
vehicle speed) downshift when you floor the accelerator. I've only seen one
of these switches fail, but it caused erratic downshifts when cruising along
in third, ocasional strange upshift points, and some second gear hold
problems. Worked fine when it was cold. Longshot, but worth a try.
\\ Mark



> Pete, thank you for the help, but my mechanic (who knows DeLoreans
> pretty well, at least better than any other mechanic in my area)
> said they already isolated the problem.  According to them, they tested
the
> transmission without the governor and they couldn't find any
> mechanical problems; they were sure it was electrical. (And since I
> don't know jack about cars, I wouldn't be able to do what you described.)
>
> So would you recommend I get a new governor on warranty and have the
> same place re-install it to see what happens, should I go someplace
> else for a second opinion, or something else?
>
> But thank you for the testing method...I will save your mail incase I
> need it,
>
> Richard





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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:13:25 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...

Shifting in the Delorean once underway in drive 3 is entirely 
controlled by the govenor computer assembly. If you do indeed have a 
shifting problem then that is where to go. There are some simple 
things to check first though. Fluid level and condition. Shift linkage 
adjustments. Throttle cable adjustments. The integerity of the wiring 
to and the downshift microswitch (if the wiring is burnt and grounds 
out it will force downshifts). Bad connections to the large plug on 
the firewall. Make sure that what you feeling is downshifts and not 
slipping, check the line pressure. If all of these things check out 
then you could have a bad shift computer. Installing the lights will 
only confirm that the shift computer is indeed shifting the trans and 
you already know that what you want to find out is why. A bad shift 
computer will tend to act up more when heated, sounds like bad solder 
joints and can be easily resoldered. Refer to the archives.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> Hello list I need some help desperately here.  I just spent alot of
> money I didn't have replacing my auto trans governor.  Now I
> found that it shifted well until I tried to drive it for more than
> 30 minutes.  It started to slip out of third after driving it for





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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:01:10 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: More fuse talk

You still don't know where the turn signals are getting their power. 
With a missing #4 fuse that circuit must be tapping off of another 
circuit if it is working. If you are refering to the service manual 
M:07:03 #4 on the early vins did power the stop lights also so if #18 
is installed and being used the stop lights are getting power from it 
and not #4. You could be confusing #5. this supplies power to the 
brake light indicater in the instrument panel. It lights up if you are 
low on brake fluid or the emergency brake is on. The best thing to do 
is to go over everything circuit by circuit. On the subject of fuses 
if the fuseholders do not retain their tension they were overheated 
and shoud be replaced. As for better connections Eastwood sells a 
compound for improving electrical connections. Try 
www.eastwoodcompany.com.


-- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Thanks David and DMC Joe re my missing #4 fuse but think you both 
missed
> it slightly, my book says #4 handles the stop light switch and #18
> handles the stop light lamps.  Anyway, was fuse day and I checked 
them
> all, 5 were the wrong size per the book, 4 were over and 1 was 
> Les




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:06:52 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Eagle Premier 3 Litre engine

That would be correct. The 3.0 liter PRV-6 converted for the DeLorean

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> I assume you are asking about the conversion of the PRV-6 to the 
DeLorean
> Application; am I right?
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_y...>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:49 PM
> Subject: [DML] Re: Eagle Premier 3 Litre engine
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have any pics of this engine conversion, or any 
details
> > of what exactly had to be done to complete it?
> >
> > -Robert
> > vin 6585




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:52:30 EST
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Eagle Premier 3 Litre engine


<< Does anyone have any pics of this engine conversion, or any details 
 of what exactly had to be done to complete it?
 
 -Robert
 vin 6585 >>

  Robert,

  I currently have 2 Delorean engines and a 3.0 Eagle engine all torn apart 
and scattered all over my garage. The intent was to build a 3.0 D engine for 
my car, well........  even tho the 2 engines are both PRV units and similar 
in design, that's about where it stops. These 2 engines are completely 
different on the insides. The only parts that will interchange are the oil 
pump and timing chains. Everything else is different, the crank, rods, 
pistons and sleeves, the block, heads, intake and exhaust, and everything 
else. The D engine is an "odd fire" unit while the E engine is an "even fire" 
unit. This means the way the cylinders operate is even different between the 
two engines. 
    About the only thing that does fit is the tranny from the D will bolt up 
to the E engine. But the engine mounts on the E engine are in a different 
place and will not fit the D frame. The bottom cradle ( w/ engine mounts ) 
from the D engine will fit the E engine, but it's a lot of work to tear the 
bottom ends off each motor to swap cradles. It actually involves getting into 
the crankshaft main caps and stuff. If you do swap cradles and pans, then the 
complete E engine can be bolted into a Delorean frame.     
    But you're not even half way there yet, because the E engine uses a 
completely different ignition system and electric fuel injection system which 
will not work with the original D electric's, so they must then be adapted, 
thru the use of entirely new electronics, to work on the D.  And, nope, no 
luck. The original D ignition and fuel systems will not fit the E engine, not 
even the entire intake manifold system. The spread between the D heads and 
the E heads is different and the intakes will not swap, not even close. And 
the E heads are not even bored to accept the rear mounted D distributor nor 
does the E cam include a gear to drive the D distributor if you do bore a 
hole in the head for it.
   Like I said, for both being PRV engines, they sure are a lot different 
then they look. If the guys at "Pacific Rim" installed an Eagle engine into a 
Delorean, as I understand they did, it sure must have been a heck of a 
project. Quite a bit more then just some nuts and bolts stuff. I'd love to 
see some pictures of it myself.

    Later,   Marty



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:46:06 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: auto-eject of tapedeck

Les wrote:

> I'm out in the boonies and can't get decent radio reception so play
> tapes, whenever I turn the radio off the tape jumps out, I'd like to
> disable that circuit so the tape stays in like the late models...has
> anyone done it?  

I haven't; I just put in an aftermarket stereo 
For pics look in the files section of the yahoo group: 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/Aftermarket%20Stereo%20in%20%2305141/>.

The auto eject IMHO is a good feature: it saves your tapes from unneccesary
wear; the tapehed in the deck gets magnetized over time from the tape passing it.
If you leave your cassette in this can affect the quality of your tape.
Another point is that the tape can get stuck tu the head, capstan of pinchroller
and destroy your tape in that way too.

If you DO want to figure this out: there are some scans of the craig tech-info
somewhere on the net, don't know where I got them, but there are several schematics,
PCB layouts, a parts list, alignment instructions for the Dolby system and an 
exploded view so you know what goes where.

If anyone needs them and can't find these scans (maybe someone can jump in here),
I can mail them to you ZIPped, but then it's still about 1,5Mb in size.

Good luck,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:23:32
From: "Derrick Viane" <clarion9375r_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Selling Help

List,

   About a week ago I posted that I was selling my D hoping to get something 
from all of those on the list that are looking to buy.  Unfortunately I have 
not heard anything yet.  I know it has only been a week but you can also 
post to the list if you have a question for me.  Also if anybody has any 
suggestions on where I should list it.  I currently have it on 
autotrader.com but it is listed as an 82' because the year numbering only 
goes back to 82 on their site. I have also sent a picture to trader online 
for an ad there. I have been think ing about the Detroit Freepress.

Thanks

Derrick

Vin 1657(not for long):(
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:31:21 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!

I have looked at over 10 cars now, and still have not found the right one (my biggest mistake was looking at cheap $8-10K cars!)  I am willing to spend aroun $18K on a car, but can not find one!  If you know of anyone who has one for sale in the NJ, NY, PA area, please let me know!

Car MUST be manual transmission!  Not painted, and have black or gray interior.

THanks!
kevin_at_dml_abato.net



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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:01:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Blah <theamdman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: NEED HELP

Hello,
     Heres my problem I'll lay it all out for you then
you can help me by giving me some good repair shops
please.... I have a 82 Delorean... the people that had
it before us let it sit for about 4 or 5 years in
there garage... not touching it.  So as you can say
its in pretty bad shape.  We've had it to multiple
import centers and no one can seem to repair it
correctly.... also there is the smell of gasoline
inside the care and a lot of other problems that we
probably haven't even encountered yet.... if you know
of anywhere near Louisville, KY that works on
Deloreans I need to know and I need to know as soon as
possible if you could please email me personally at
amdman_at_dml_techie.com it would be appreciated... I enjoy
the car but this one gives all Deloreans a bad name..

Man in need of help,
Frank


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:56:53 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Fw: [doc] Fw: John Z DeLorean

Ken, List,

I have printed out and read all 26 pages.......I wish I hadn't. I don't
think it enhances Mr. DeLorean's standing or reputation one bit.

Don't get me wrong, I am possibly still DeLorean's (car and man)  biggest
fan in
the UK, but I cannot just ignore this document!

I think we should view it in context, it was submitted in court, by JZ to
defend himself and some of  his past actions.

Justice, evidence, truth, and court judgments often have nothing in common
with each other!

The British people do not  generally have a "sickness" ( being gay) and even
if we did have a monopoly on this activity, ( I'm not by the way) would that
be relevant to business judgments?

Was Sir Kenneth Cork the only person to fly regularly on Concord?  Come on
John!

Colin Chapman, was a brilliant engineer, but he was no "saint".

The British legal system is probably no better or worse than the American
one. Yes, injustices sometimes  happen, but if the "Birmingham six" had been
convicted
of terrorism in the USA they would probably have been executed long before
they could have proved their innocence.

Bobby Sands may have been a "martyr" by some, but he was seen as a convicted
IRA terrorists and by others,

Yes, the Delorean factory did employ 50% catholic workers, but initially
most catholic workers did the "unskilled" , dirty jobs in the body shop.

Everyone I spoken to who worked at the factory agreed that "politics",
(Protestant / Catholic) was left outside the works gates. All agree that the
DeLorean factory was a brilliant place to work.

As to whether the British Government under Mrs. Thatcher's leadership
conspired to sink DMC,  or whether Colin Chapman was a member of M16, I
don't suppose we will ever know for sure.

Some people may think that JZ's decision not  to testify in his drug case,
was because he would have faced some difficult questions! I personally think
the decision to acquit him was right. But I don't think the explanation he
offers in his book is the full story.

I don't think JZ is any better or worse than, say,  Chapman, Thatcher,
President Clinton,  ( or most of us ) or any of our political leaders or
industrial tycoons.
But I do think it lowers a persons dignity to start "flinging mud around" in
this way and trying to re-write History.

England and Northern Ireland is not a place I recognise as described in JZ'd
document.

Sometimes History is best left in the past!

Sorry if I've gone on a bit, but I simply could not avoid making my
comments.

Chris P Hon Sec DOC UK

And yes,  I still love the car and respect its creator. I just don't think
he's a saint!







> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:35 PM
> Subject: [DML] John Z DeLorean
>
>
> > Well thanks to Gary my site is up and running and the pages John wanted
> > posted are up.
> >
> > Also there were a lot of comments on the letter and we included one as
the
> > introduction.  It is a real good introduction to the court papers.
> >
> > As John gives me more I will post them.
> >
> > > >
> > For those of  you who missed the first post it is at
> > <A HREF="http://deloreancarshow.com/jzd/">DeLoreancarshow.com/jzd/</A>
> >
> >
> >


>
>









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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:07:16 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Arizona Events

Hi Hank,

Thanks for the information.  However I believe the event on April 8 in Mira
Mesa must be in California.

Thanks

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232




----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Breer" <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
To: "DML" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: [DML] Arizona Events


> Arizona Owners:
>
> We were starting to assemble events for our column in DeLorean World,
> and came across these two that sounded interesting but happen too soon
> for publication.
>
> March 11
> Phoenix
> "Wheels of Britain Car and Motorcycle Show"
> Sponsored by British Motor Enthusiasts at Heritage Square Park  Free
> Admission 480/759-9386, e-mail koolkataz_at_dml_qwest.net
>
> April 8
> Mira Mesa
> Barrett Classic Monthly Car Show
> Show.  Swap.   Sell.   All Vehicles welcome. Many trophies from exotic
> to unrestored originals.  Miramar College, 10440 Black Mtn. Rd. (off
> I-15 at SC) 858/693-9073, Fax 858/530-1641
>
> Hank & Mimi Breer
> VIN 1141
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:33:44 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Arizona Events

Back when I lived in AZ and owned 10570, I used to participate in this event
every year, along with other members of the AZ DeLorean Club. Turn out was
alwyas good, and so long as we had at least three DeLoreans there, we got
our own class. Very organized and in a good location. Nice event, highly
recommended...

James


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry Breer" <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
> To: "DML" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:47 AM
> Subject: [DML] Arizona Events
> 
> 
>> Arizona Owners:
>> 
>> We were starting to assemble events for our column in DeLorean World,
>> and came across these two that sounded interesting but happen too soon
>> for publication.
>> 
>> March 11
>> Phoenix
>> "Wheels of Britain Car and Motorcycle Show"
>> Sponsored by British Motor Enthusiasts at Heritage Square Park  Free
>> Admission 480/759-9386, e-mail koolkataz_at_dml_qwest.net




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:40:32 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: ref John DeLorean

I would like to point out that my previous views expressed are my own and are not necessarily shared by other members of the DOC UK.

Chris Parnham . 


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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:09:21 -0800
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...

At 4:49 PM -0500 2/24/01, RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com wrote:
>Pete, thank you for the help, but my mechanic (who knows DeLoreans
>pretty well, at least better than any other mechanic in my area)
>said they already isolated the problem.  According to them, they tested the
>transmission without the governor and they couldn't find any
>mechanical problems; they were sure it was electrical.

Well, it could be electrical but not the governor. As others have suggested,
there could well be a wiring problem between governor and computer.
Another possibility is an electrical problem within the transmission,
such as a bad solenoid or a loose internal connector. These are really not
difficult problems to diagnose, so your course of action depends on how
much you trust your mechanic.

The reason I strongly recommend the light test is that it tells you with near
certainty whether the problem is inside or outside the transmission case
(assuming the outside wiring is OK). If the car downshifts and the lights stay
out, you *know* that the problem is not the governor (I admit that this is not
often the case, but it certainly happens).

Is the governor you bought New Old Stock, or one of the newer ones sold by
Grady and others? If the latter, a bad unit wouldn't be my first guess. Also,
note that if it *does* turn out to be something other than the governor, it
raises the possibility that your original governor is OK.

--Pete Lucas
    VIN #06703



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:17:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New Delorean Web Site

I wanted to take a second and let all you fellow
DeLorean owners and enthusiasts know about a new
Delorean website out... it's free, gives free websites
to Delorean owners to promote their cars on the web,
has forums and live chat as well...

I dont think its a violation to post it, its not
commercial, just something I put up... check it out if
ya want at:

http://www.deloreancentral.com

Mike
#855


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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:47:39 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: lambda sensor switch

Hello List,
    When I purchased my car the ground wire to the lambda switch(switch 
located on cooling manifold) was disconnected.  When I hook up the ground 
wire like it should be the frequency valve starts up and will not stop, even 
when the engine is hot.  would this indicate a bad lambda sensor switch?  
what else should I look at?  I have the whole intake off now so I would like 
to change the switch now if it is the problem.

Thanks
David



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:53:30 -0800
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: New DeLorean Web Site

Mike said:
<snip> I dont think its a violation to post it, its not commercial, just
something I put up... check it out if ya want </snip>

I don't have any concerns about using the list to occasionally post "special
offers" to our DeLorean community, In fact I've done it myself.

I do find it objectionable to say "its not commercial" when the site has
banners to the company that registered the domain name, offering paid
website development and hosting to DeLorean enthusiasts.

You've also set up a "DeLorean Mailing List Archives" Forum that claims "we
have captured the [DML] messages and placed them here" which implies that
you plan to duplicate the archives on your site.

I suggest that you re-think your business/personal strategy.

Gary
#5612




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:28:23 -0800
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Arizona Events

Mike Atkinson, Dave Cox, et. al.

Ok, so I blew that one.  I relied on "Miss Information Automotive Calendar of
Events" for the information and since I have only lived in Southern California
for 50 odd years I didn't recognize Mira Mesa as being here. Dumb.

Hank

PS: Dave - since it is in your neighborhood, on the first Sunday of every
month, why not drop in and let us know how it is?

Mimi




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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:43:37 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: lambda sensor switch

The temp sensor you are referring to tells the lambda computer that 
the engine has warmed up and can now trust the 02 sensor. It will then 
modulate the fequency valve. To test the temp sensor remove it, hook 
up a continuity tester, and heat the sensor in some water. At some 
point before 212 it should change state. If it does not then you can 
assume it is defective. You cannot tell by ear what the frequency 
valve is doing execpt that is doing something. To see what is going on 
hook up a dwell meter to the diagnostic plug.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello List,
>     When I purchased my car the ground wire to the lambda 
switch(switch 
> located on cooling manifold) was disconnected.  When I hook up the 
ground 
> wire like it should be the frequency valve starts up and will not 
stop, even 
> when the engine is hot.  would this indicate a bad lambda sensor 
switch?  
> what else should I look at?  I have the whole intake off now so I 
would like 
> to change the switch now if it is the problem.
> 
> Thanks
> David




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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:57:02 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Probably not my governor...

Thank you all for your suggestions about my auto trans governor.
What I'm getting is that it probably isn't the part, so I'll have
some of that checked out as soon as I can.  (My old part HAD to have
been bad though, since now it usually shifts smoothly whereas before it
only barely shifted into second.)  

I also want to apologize to the people at DMC Houston...sorry
if I got a little upset in e-mail but I hope you can forgive my 
ignorance about this part and how it works.  (I probably shouldn't 
have written an e-mail right after I got back from having the car not shift
properly.)  So I hope we're ok on that.  :) 

Anyway thank you all again for your help and we'll see what I can
do.  Money is tight right now so probably not much.  :/

Richard
      



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:34:27 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Auto trans gov. problems...



What about changing the shift solenoids with new shift solenoids?



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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:38:19 EST
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Please help me find a car for sale in the NJ Area!!!

In a message dated 2/25/01 11:35:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
delorean_at_dml_abato.net writes:


> I have looked at over 10 cars now, and still have not found the right one 
> (my biggest mistake was looking at cheap $8-10K cars!)  I am willing to 
> spend aroun $18K on a car, but can not find one!  If you know of anyone who 
> has one for sale in the NJ, NY, PA area, please let me know!
> 
> Car MUST be manual transmission!  Not painted, and have black or gray 
> interior.
> 
> THanks!
> kevin_at_dml_abato.net
> 
> Hello Kevin,
>   Let me offer some advice.  I too am from NJ.  I at first limited myself 
> to the NJ, PA, NY area when looking for a DeLorean.  I wasn't overly 
> thrilled with what I found.  I saw some nice DeLoreans, but in my opinion 
> they were over priced.  Then I saw a few that were cheaper but were in need 
> of a lot of work.  I decided to broaden my search.  Looking at 
> www.dmcnews.com and www.traderonline.com I saw 40 to 50 DeLoreans listed 
> there.  Don't limit your search to a local area when looking for a unique 
> car like a DeLorean.  Although of course you may find the perfect car for 
> you close by, its better to have a broader base to choose from.  In my case 
> the car I eventually bought was from Michigan.  I never thought I would end 
> up buying a car that far away but it turned out to be the best choice by 
> far for me.  I bought my car for 16,000.  It was in pristine condition and 
> only had 7000 miles on it.  In my opinion it was in better shape than two 
> cars I saw for sale close to me in NJ that were both over 20,000. It took 
> me only one day to drive out and one to day to trailer it back to NJ on a 
> car trailer.  Considering I saved a, most 10,000 and got a car that was  as 
> nice if not better than the ones I had seen that were more close to me, it 
> turned out to be the best choice.  If you see a car close by at the right 
> price and condition great, but I looking at as many for sale as you can 
> will probably lead you to a better purchase.  Of course buying sight unseen 
> is something to be done cautious.  But often you can get a sense of what an 
> owner is like as you establish a relationship with them.  Also use members 
> on the list to help you.  More often than not a list member is near any 
> DeLorean that is for sale through out the country.  Also the major DeLorean 
> suppliers offer cars for sale often refurbished.  In the area you describe 
> I would contact Rob Grady in Long Island, NY.  www.pjgrady.com. He too has 
> cars for sale and also ones he has gone over thoroughly.   Hope this helps
> 
> Gary Gore
> Activities Director
> DeLorean Mid Atlantic
> 




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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:14:15 -0000
From: rdh_at_dml_hozt.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean on Car & Driver Today

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Noah & Paula Huffman" <nphuffman_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> FYI- For those interested, Car & Driver, the TV show, is featuring 
the
> DeLorean in their Classic Car section of their show today.  

An article about the production of this TV show, which features Roger 
Vannatter's fine DeLorean is in the latest issue, Volume 18, No. 1, 
of DeLorean World magazine available in the DeLorean Store at:

 http://www.deloreanstore.com/

Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association
http://www.delorean-owners.org/




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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:19:22 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Delorean for sale on E-bay

The aution is closed but you have got to see it. A Delorean for $13.00 
dollars (thirteen). It sounds like it is in good shape but maybe it 
needs some work! It was the last item listed and I just saw it at 
10:00 est.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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