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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 441
Date: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:41 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. No problems in Northern Ireland
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

2. Re: double-speed turn signal!
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

3. Re: Engine compartment light II
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Re: Vanity plates, really creative!~
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>

6. Door Handles.
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

7. Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

8. Delorean Skin for Winamp
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

9. DeLorean Engine Reliability
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>

10. Re: Help changing a Fuel Accumulator
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

11. Re: No problems in Northern Ireland
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

12. Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Re: Help changing a Fuel Accumulator
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Re: Where to finance a car
From: "sk1pper" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>

15. My first aniversary of ownership
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:57:25 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: No problems in Northern Ireland

    
Dear DML,

    The people in Northern Ireland are very friendly and inviting. During our 
1997 expo there, Scott Muller, James Espey, Scott Rabilias, and I were 
invited inside of a gentleman's 20 story apartment to photograph the DeLorean 
plant. He even offered us tea. Not many people in the US would do that, let 
alone help you if you break down on the freeway.

    The security guards of the plant allowed us to take a private tour, just 
the 4 of us, and we were treated exceptionally well.

    Additionally, Not many police officers would allow me to drive their 
police cars in the United States, however the police in Northern Ireland did.
    (I think I scared them driving their Rover police car around the DeLorean 
test track going the wrong way)
    The Police even invited us (Rob & Debbie Grady, Scott Mueller and I) to 
the Royal Ulster Constabulary for another Private Tour. The only private tour 
in the USA police depts is if you're in for booking.

    Robert Lamrock really does an outstanding job organizing and planning the 
event. I hope that the DeLorean Owners Association and everyone that attends 
gives him a big THANK YOU for all of his efforts.

     You should make every effort to stay in the same hotel. You never know 
when a party will happen. It is also wise since the Europa Hotel Belfast is 
outstanding. Four Stars, First Class Hotel.

    Everywhere we went, the citizens of Northern Ireland went out of their 
way to make us feel very welcome.
    I have encountered some friendly people in my travels of the world. The 
people in Belfast Northern Ireland were the most hospitable ever.
    
    If you have an opportunity to attend the Belfast expo...GO and don't 
worry!

    In addition, while I was in Germany & Switzerland the Mad Cow panic was 
constantly on the BBC and CNN warning about meat.
    The finest restaurants in Europe and junk food establishments (McDonalds) 
were still open. The supermarkets still had meat for sale. The water was 
still fresh and the air still clean. Don't believe the naive media...they 
even get the DeLorean story wrong.

Mike Pack
VIN 3713
DOA 4743



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:33:58 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: double-speed turn signal!

Andy,

Most directional signal problems in the De Lorean are related to corroded or
mis-aligned bulb contacts at the front lamps. Try this test: remove the
front directional/parking lamp fixture and detach the bulb holder, while the
flasher is in operation slightly twist the bulb back and forth and see if
the lamp flashes correctly. Try the test with the parking lights on and off.

If this doesn't correct the problem let me know.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <Soma576_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: [DML] double-speed turn signal!


> Hey guys,
>
> i have a problem i'm sure everyone here has had - my left turn signal is
> twice as fast as it should be!  now i know this usually results from a bad
> wire somewhere shorting out.  however, listen to this:
>



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:00:47 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment light II

Les,

Just thought I would let you know that we have such a switch:
http://store.yahoo.com/dsvstore/batsav.html

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:01 AM
Subject: [DML] Engine compartment light II


If I were going to show my car my first thought would be to take
> out the courtesy lamp fuse and run a neat little (fused leg) wire pair
> to a tiny switch hidden out of the way.  I may do it anyway I spend so
> much time working on one thing or another with all of the doors and lids
> open.
>
> Les





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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:04:56 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability

Sean,

The PRV-6 B-28F used in the 1978-1980 Volvos had "soft" cams and oiling
problems that caused premature failures. In mid 1980 new hardened camshafts
and improved oiling was added, this change included all PRV's built for the
De Lorean. Unfortunately the negative reputation stuck with the PRV.

Your De Lorean PRV will not suffer from these problems, no special
precautions need to be taken. Regular oil changes and preventing overheating
will allow your PRV to run for at least 200k miles.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: [DML] DeLorean B28F Reliability


>
> Group,
>
>        In searching around on the internet, I have been reading a lot
> of bad press about the Volvo B27 and B28F engines. I have read of
> their propensity to eat camshafts, leak oil and overheat. 



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:58:45 -0600
From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Vanity plates, really creative!~

I take pride in the "vanity" part and have reserved one for
my DeLorean--LUKITME  (Look At Me)..pretty cute huh?
I thought so! lol
others:
STNLS1
DRMCAR
SLVRBLT
STEEL
2THEFTR
LATER
SEEYA
NICEHUH
COOLHUH
I could make up MANY, many more...if anyone wants any more
help just e-mail me, I'd be glad to think one up for ya!

Later,
Rob G.
PS--I DID make those up, I didn't see them on any other car....I've
experimented for YEARS with combos for my blessed day! : )
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:28:06 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Door Handles.

As someone who's door handle recently broke (passenger side-whew!), I 
too will be ordering door handles shortly. But something that Wayne 
A. Ernst said got me to thinking. He said, "How many cars on the road 
today with brand new plastic handles will even be drivable 19 years 
from now?" Which in turn made me think about why the handles on the 
DeLorean are prone to failure. It's not a poor quality of plastic, 
nor is it a design flaw from the factory. It's the way we open our 
doors...

When opening the doors, I have always lifted the entire door up by 
it's handle without using my thumb. A gentler way I've found now is 
to place my thumb on the crease of the door for leverage, and then 
pull the handle. Then using only enough pressure to hold the handle 
in place, I let the door rise slowly by itself untill the latches are 
clear of the striker pins. From here I can let go of the handle, and 
reach around to push the door up with my finger tips if I want the 
door to go up a little faster. Which when you think about it is the 
exact same way that you would normally open a traditional car door. 
Since the DeLorean was truly the only mass produced car with 
manual/mechanical gull wing doors, this is probably wasn't something 
that the factory could ever have forseen in 1981.

For myself, I feel that the metal handles are not just an option, but 
an insurance policy of sorts. I always planed on getting the metal 
handles, but it turns out that my car wanted then sooner then I 
thought! :) Using this method should greatly reduce the amount of 
stress the plastic in the handles is exposed to. Just thought I'd 
share this with everyone who maybe concerned with accidently breaking 
thier door handles.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:57:01 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability

PRV-6 in a nutshell...

Cams are not a worry. It was the older version B27F that had the 
camshaft problems. By the time the DeLorean was released, issue was 
resolved.

As I understand it (from my mechanic and my own car) only 1 spot on 
the PRV-6 in the DeLorean application is prone to leak that is not 
mantienance related: Oil pressure switch.

Lubrication is not a problem. 

While the PRV-6 is not prone to overheating, it is prone to damage if 
it does overheat. The water pump is a reliable component, but if any 
part of the cooling system fails, then you have a problem.

Overall the PRV-6 used in the DeLorean is a VERY reliable engine in 
itself. When not only the engine is taken care of, but the car is 
maintained as a whole, the words "daily-driver" and "DeLorean" go 
hand in hand!

Many of the products offered by both vendors, and fellow owners are 
there to complement the car in an effort to improve functionality, 
not to correct it.


-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., sean_dmc1_at_dml_h... wrote:
> 
> Group,
> 
>        In searching around on the internet, I have been reading a 
lot 
> of bad press about the Volvo B27 and B28F engines. I have read...
<SNIP>




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:36:23 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean Skin for Winamp

Just wanted to let everyone know...about a year ago, I made a Delorean skin
for Winamp.  If you would like a copy, send me an e-mail, and I will forward
it on to you!

[MODERATOR NOTE: Kevin apparently forgot that he sent it to me and it's been uploaded to the dmcnews website for about a year. You can get it here:

http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/skins.html




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:43:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: DeLorean Engine Reliability

On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:59:11 -0000, Sean Spurlock wrote:

"I was just curious what steps can be taken to improve the reliability of
the engine? I owned a DeLorean before and want to get another one, but am
just curious what can be done to aid in making a DeLorean a "daily driver"
car."

Sean, I bought my DeLorean new and have allways used it as a "daily driver"
car.  I have not had any problems what-so-ever with the engine.  I've
changed out a few other things and while on the road have not pampered it. 
I change oil (synthetic) every 3,000 miles and keep all the running gear in
good shape.  The leather is worn in spots and the rubber on the pedals have
recently been changed but recently I've taken a couple of long trips and
other than a door handle breaking, there were no problems in driving from
North Carolina to California and back to Texas.  Vin #04434 
Dee Moats_at_dml_excite.com





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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:51:17 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Help changing a Fuel Accumulator

Jack,
The High pressure lines (teflon) that you describe, all DMC vendors 
sell them. They sell them without the fittings and I suggest either 
1) send the vndor your old mettal fittings and have them press the 
fittings in for you or 2) make it a little quicker by new ones along 
with the line and have them press them in. 

I would not suggest trying to press them in unless you like cursing 
up a storm, popping a blood vessle and burning yourself while heating 
the hose to soften it so you can press in the fitting. Take it from 
someone with expierience....it looks easy to do....BUT it is very 
hard.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmczr1" <dmczr1_at_dml_q...> wrote:
<SNIP>
>Is that a common piece at auto supply stores or do I need to
> order from one of the vendors.
> 
> Looking at the teflon hose I see cracking in the rubber.  But I 
also see the
> inner lining (teflon) is about as tough as anything short of a 
steel line.
> Has anyone replaced this teflon hose and if so where do you get it?
> 
>  
> Any advice?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jack Janney
> '82 #10901




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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:25:37 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: No problems in Northern Ireland

I agree 100% with Mike P's comments about the 1997 Expo.  I was stunned by
how friendly and open the locals were.  If you look at the pictures and
article posted  (www.delorean-owners.org/events/euro97.html) , you can read
my first impressions about the whole adventure.  I'm sure that this years
expo will even be better.

Scott Mueller
DOA/DMCNEWS
002981


----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:57 PM
Subject: [DML] No problems in Northern Ireland


>
> Dear DML,
>
>     The people in Northern Ireland are very friendly and inviting. During
our
> 1997 expo there, 



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:52:14 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability

The engine in the Delorean is probably the most reliable thing in the 
car! Some of the MINOR problems you can normaly expect:
Oil pressure sender for idiot light will leak
Idler pulley bearings can get noisy and fail
Pickup coil in distributer sometimes fails when hot
"O" ring seals on water distribution pipe eventually leak
Hoses behind water pump eventually leak
Valve cover gaskets eventually leak
Exhaust manifold gaskets eventually leak and studs break
Spark plugs, ignition wires, cap and rotor wear out or age
Given all of these "shortcommings" this engine will outlast most 
passenger vehicles even now in service, all it takes is regular oil 
changes with good oil and NEVER overheat the engine, that is one thing 
that can kill it quicker than sh-t. You will be spending your money in 
most of the other systems in the Delorean including clutches, wiring, 
struts, fuel system, interior parts without worrying about the motor. 
The big money is a rusted or bent frame or damaged panels or trans 
work.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., sean_dmc1_at_dml_h... wrote:
> 
> Group,
> 
>        In searching around on the internet, I have been reading a 
lot 
> of bad press about the Volvo B27 and B28F engines. I have read of 
> their propensity to eat camshafts, leak oil and overheat. I 
> understand that there were improvements to the B28F engine, like 
> increased lubrication. I was just curious what steps can be taken to 
> improve the reliability of the engine? I owned a DeLorean before and 
> want to get another one, but am just curious what can be done to aid 
> in making a DeLorean a "daily driver" car. Any info would be greatly 
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Sean Spurlock




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:15:48 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Help changing a Fuel Accumulator

The fittings you refer to are NOT commonly available as they are 
metric. Your best option since you need to order an accumulater anyway 
is to discuss this with your favorite Delorean parts vender. On 
another subject you should exercise more caution when working on the 
fuel system. Besides the obvious danger from fire there are the long 
term hazards from inhaling the fumes and absorbing the fuel through 
the skin and eyes. Todays fuels with the additives in them are much 
more dangerous then fuels of just a few years ago. There are many 
reports of asthma and neorological problems to name just a few. Before 
working on the fuel system it should be drained and purged. Always 
keep a fire extinghuiser handy, use NITRILE gloves and eye protection 
and work in a WELL ventilated place preferably with a helper who could 
call 911 in an emergency like you are overcome by the fumes in your 
"grease pit". By the nature of the pit it will fill with fumes and 
displace the oxygen and besides causing dizzyness you could pass out. 
Too many people have gotten hurt and destroyed their car while working 
on the fuel systems. This is just a hobby to most of us so please take 
all prudent precautions to stay safe. BTW the only way to gain access 
to the accumulater is from underneath. NEVER twist or kink the fuel 
lines, hold back with wrenches, or you will find yourself lifting the 
body to replace the lines. There is almost no room to work but with 
small hands and the right wrenches and PATIENCE it usually can be 
done. I hope after all of this the accumulater was realy bad. This can 
be confirmed by shaking it to see if small pieces of rubber come out 
or by pressureizing a fuel port, blocking the other and seeing if the 
pressure leaks out the return. The symptom of a bad accumulater is 
hard or no restart when hot.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "dmczr1" <dmczr1_at_dml_q...> wrote:
> I'm trying to replace the fuel accumulator on my '82.  I thought it 
would be
> easier going in from underneath (silly me) since my garage has a 
grease pit.
> With all the spilled gas on me and the floor, the garage now smells 
like a





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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:26:27 -0600
From: "sk1pper" <sk1pper_at_dml_intersurf.com>
Subject: Re: Where to finance a car

I got a signatue loan through my credit union...


----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew David <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Where to finance a car


> >From: "dmc" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
> >Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [DML] Where to finance a car
> >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:01:18 -0500
> >
> >I was looking for places to finance buying my Delorean.  I have found
only
> >a



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:40:29 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: My first aniversary of ownership

Today is my first anniversary of DeLorean ownership.  I drove across Florida
and bought VIN #3633 from a motorcycle dealership.  I paid $17.5K for a car
with black interior & auto transmission.  The car looks like it had never
been stored outside and only had 8600 miles on it.  Today the odometer shows
over 14200.  I would have put even more miles on the car, but I have had it
apart for extended periods while working on it.  During this time, the car
has never left me stranded (except for about 1/2 hour the first day I owned
it -- a bad relay stopped the fans from working.)  Today the car is in much
better shape than when I bought it.  I have spent over $9K on parts bringing
the car up to standards.  About a third of that price is for stuff that the
car really didn't need, but low profile rims and a decent stereo system are
a must to me.

For those of you trying to put a value on DeLoreans -- don't under estimate
what it costs to bring a typical car back to life after years of storage.
If a DeLorean has had factory or age related defects repaired, then I would
add the costs of these repairs to the value of the car.  If I wanted to
recover my costs of parts and labor if I sold my car, then I would need to
get around $30K or more.

My advice to someone who wants to buy one:  Unless you are a good mechanic
or have a good relationship with a DeLorean savvy mechanic, then buy a car
that has had all of the factory and age related problems already fixed.  And
expect to pay well over $30K.  Unless you find a super deal, then to the
extent that you pay less initially, expect to spend more later fixing
everything that should have been fixed earlier.  Otherwise you will find
yourself leaving the thing parked waiting for the next owner.

Apparently most of the DeLoreans still in existence are being stored either
because of collectability or because the owners couldn't keep them running.
After spending $30K +/- for the car new and hardly putting any miles on it,
these owners are reluctant to sell at a loss.  As time progresses, I expect
to see more and more of these cars come out of storage.  DeLoreans used to
never show up at general interest car shows.  The last major show I went to
had 5 there.  The local cruising car show I went to last night had 4!  I
expect to see these numbers continually increase as new owners get these
cars running and keep them on the road.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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