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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 446
Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:50 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Fun Per Dollar
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Northern Ireland Pictures.
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re: Flights to Ireland - Low as $449
From: rdh_at_dml_hozt.com

4. Re: What's reasonable MPG?
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net

5. Passports for Ireland
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

6. RE: Insuring a Delorean?
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>

7. RE: Re: Lift it up question SAFELY
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: Spring washers, anyone?
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

9. Re: Spring washers, anyone?
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

10. RE: Insuring a Delorean?
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net

11. Rhino Ramps
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

12. RE: Insuring a Delorean?
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

13. Re: Spring washers, anyone?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:19:41 EST
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Fun Per Dollar

    The best DeLorean experience I have had occured about 2 months ago. I was 
cruising along a little above the speed limit, not much though, because I 
knew cops were there sometimes. Behind me I catch a glimpse in my rearview of 
a shiny red car. Shortly after, I hear the car speeding in front of me and 
cutting me off. It was a Prosche Turbo (930 i think). Anyway, it ended up we 
were going to the same place, so he parks, and I parked right next to him. He 
comes out of his car cackling (he seems to think we were racing and he killed 
me). Then, another guy gets out of his car stands inbewteen the Porsche and 
my DeLorean, and says right in front of the guy, "A DeLorean, Now THAT'S a 
car." The Porsche owner stopped laughing, and hung his head down. I just 
walked smirking into the store.



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:07:27 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland Pictures.


Dear Group,

    I've put some picture in the Vault.

1. Expo 1997 Belfast. Just to wet your appetites!
2. RHD DeLorean in Northern Ireland. Only one in NI. Owner was gracious 
enough to allow me to drive it around DMC track and factory.    
3. Alpine A310.  Check out the engine on this French Ferrari eater!  This car 
is fast! This car is one of six cars ordered by John DeLorean. 4 went to 
Lotus, 2 went to DeLorean factory in Belfast. They were original Silver with 
Red Leather. One was an automatic, now in Japan. 4 are known to exist, where 
are the other 2? This car was one of the two that went to Belfast for 
engineering and engine analysis.

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
VIN 3713



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 23:40:12 -0000
From: rdh_at_dml_hozt.com
Subject: Re: Flights to Ireland - Low as $449

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> $898 is hardly close to $449.
> 
> This is expensive compared to what can be easily had with a few 
minutes of
> searching.

Marc,

That is $898 for TWO People, which is $449 EACH.

Ray




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:00:37 -0700
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net
Subject: Re: What's reasonable MPG?

Mileage discussions always remind me of my late Dad's oft used bromide:
The first liar doesn't stand a chance!

Having said that, I think that you can be very satisfied with 26 mpg.  I
have twin turbo's and just having them almost forces one to "use" them.
While I don't check local mileage, I know that I get from 23 to 26 mpg,
overall,  when taking trips, depending upon just how well my radar detector
is working!

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867






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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:47:26 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Passports for Ireland

If you are planning on making the trip to Ireland this May you MUST have a passport. I submitted my paperwork this passed December and still have not received my passport. My wife is trying now for the third time to get her paperwork processed and the passport service person keeps finding new things wrong with her application. You must have a "Certified" copy of your birth certificate from the state you were born in, a regular copy will be rejected. Contact your state records department for a "Certified" copy, cost for mine was $18 over the internet. You can download the passport application form from this website: http://travel.state.gov/passport_services.html
See you all in Ireland.

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573
NRA Member


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:21:07 -0600
From: "Mike & Ann Griese" <roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com>
Subject: RE: Insuring a Delorean?

Be careful here.  There are two terms you need to be
aware of for insurance - declared value and agreed
value.  There is a huge difference between the two.
You want an agreed value policy.  This means that 
both you and the insurance company agree on the 
settlement price for the car.  A declared value
policy only covers replacement value, not the value
you assign to the car.  For example if you declare
a value of $50,000 for your car and it is stolen, 
the insurance company does not give you $50,000.
Instead they will give you another car of equal 
condition or the cash equivalent.  Your premiums 
will be based on the $50,000 value however.

As always, read the fine print and ask a lot of 
what-if questions of your agent.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pike [mailto:iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 4:58 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Insuring a Delorean?


When you say full coverage, they will give you what
they feel the car is worth... to insure a car as a
classic, you must declare an amount for the car...



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:51:28 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Lift it up question SAFELY


Recently, I was working on my truck.  I had the right front on a jack stand
with the wheel off and was jacking the left front up to place it on a stand.
Kabong, bang crash and a lot of swearing.  The jack stand on the right front
kicked out and the truck fell.  After I lifted the truck back up off the
ground I went inside and told my wife what happened.  She said "I thought I
heard a loud noise".  I told her that the next time, please investigate, I
might have been pinned under the truck.

First time in 25 years of fooling around in the garage that this has
happened.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA




Everyone should take
EXTRA safety precautions or your wife may wake up to find you stuck
under your toy.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., mdeluca_at_dml_c... wrote:
> ---
> Regarding Jack stands, I spent the better part of last winter
> scraping my frame.It was up in the air most of the time for about 3
> months.






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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:44:03 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Spring washers, anyone?

Les and list,

At work, we use several types of spring washers.  Cylindrically curves
spring washers are simply washers that have been bent essentially around a
pipe and thus have a slight "C" shaped curve to them (emphasis on slight).
A wave spring washer is simply that - a "washer" in the shape of a series of
waves.  In this case, there is not even one area on the spring that is flat.
Usually there are two humps and two valleys although, I have seen some with
three of each.  There is another type that is essentially a flat washer that
has been pressed over a cone and therefore has a cone type shape.  Generally
these types are for high loads.  There are many different suppliers of these
springs.  In most cases, if you find a place that has one of these springs,
they will have the others too.  One general distributor that you should
easily find the part you are looking for is McMaster-Carr.  They have a web
site and you should be able to locate a part number that will fit your
application.  As far as which of the above types of spring washers you will
need for the wiper application, I cannot tell you.  If you need any
additional information on suppliers or anything else, contact me privately.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345
tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com

> Windshield wipers call for a spring washer and a nut, I have two
> ordinary wrought washers.  DMC Houston does not list them, PJ Grady
> doesn't have them, the two local hardware stores never heard of spring
> washers or wavy washers.  Rather than knocking on every door, does
> anyone have a source?  (I'm not really a purist but I do give everything
> a shot).




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 02:10:40 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Spring washers, anyone?

If they are the washers I think you're describing (round and bowed, 
NOT cut and spiraled like a lock washer), there may be an 
alternative... Get an equally sized washer in both the same diamiter 
and thickness. Place the washer in a vice and bend with pliers to the 
correct size.

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Windshield wipers call for a spring washer and a nut, I have two
> ordinary wrought washers.  DMC Houston does not list them, PJ Grady
> doesn't have them, the two local hardware stores never heard of 
spring
> washers or wavy washers.  Rather than knocking on every door, does
> anyone have a source?  (I'm not really a purist but I do give 
everything
> a shot).
> 
> Thanks, Les




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 19:17:01 -0700
From: raddad_at_dml_cmn.net
Subject: RE: Insuring a Delorean?

>Be careful here.  There are two terms you need to be
>aware of for insurance - declared value and agreed
>value.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The operative words in this message are "Be careful here.".  In all
business transactions and especially insurance transactions, don't take
anything for granted.  If you have ANY doubts, get it in writing.

And, while we are at it, don't get upset at what someone else says they pay
for "full coverage".  I wouldn't drive out of my driveway with what some
people call full coverage.  Further, know that even within the same
company, rates vary significantly from state to state.  Even though I live
in the mountains of Colorado, insuring my DeLorean was much tougher and
more expensive than when I lived in Los Angeles.  Now, through the AARP
insurance plan I have coverage which is right for me and which I can
afford.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867






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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:25:50 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Rhino Ramps

I've been using the Rhino Ramps on my car a while now for when I do 
oil changes. The ramps work great. But I always pull parking brake 
and keep the car in gear. Plus as an extra precaution, I also chock 
the front wheels on both sides.

Like I said, the ramps work great. But there is something you want to 
be cautious of. If the car comes off the ramps too fast, it can kick 
the ramps back pretty hard. So even when lowering the car, make sure 
that you stay to the side.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:33:07 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Insuring a Delorean?

Grundy's web site www.grundy.com says this:

An Agreed Value Policy as opposed to a Stated Value or Actual Cash Value
Policy is the only way to know in advance how much you will receive from an
insurance company if your car is destroyed or stolen. With Agreed Value you
will get the amount listed on your policy and it is also the basis of your
premium.

So am I to assume that I should go got the Stated Value?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Ann Griese [mailto:roscsyl_at_dml_millcomm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:21 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Insuring a Delorean?


Be careful here.  There are two terms you need to be
aware of for insurance - declared value and agreed
value.  There is a huge difference between the two.
You want an agreed value policy.  



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:43:33 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Spring washers, anyone?

Les and Group. With in 2 miles of my office in Dallas is one of the 
largest hardware wholesalers in the world. I believe the washers used 
on the De Lorean are called( DIN137B) Wave spring. They range from M5 
thru M18. There is another washer called the ( curved spring DIN 
137A) but I have not seen them on the car. Email if you  need some. I 
can will/call small quanity. If this is a hard to get item, I can buy 
some and put them on the web site. 
John hervey
www.specialtauto.com
Mr. Partsman


 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Windshield wipers call for a spring washer and a nut, I have two
> ordinary wrought washers.  DMC Houston does not list them, PJ Grady
> doesn't have them, the two local hardware stores never heard of 
spring
> washers or wavy washers.  Rather than knocking on every door, does
> anyone have a source?  (I'm not really a purist but I do give 
everything
> a shot).
> 
A> Thanks, Les




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