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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 449
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:32 AM

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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Fwd: DeLorean on ebay
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Public Thank You / New DeLorean owner
From: "VIN 5386" <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Stainless, wonderful Stainless
From: graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com

4. Re: Balancing a PRV-V6 and other stuff
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

5. Re: Spring washers, anyone?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Balancing a PRV-V6 and other stuff
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

7. How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

8. Eagle Premier 3.0L - PICTURES
From: shirazcupala_at_dml_home.com

9. Stripping paint
From: rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com

10. Re: Stripping paint
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

11. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Stripping paint
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

15. Chicago trip
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Re: Lift it up question SAFELY
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

17. Trunk Release Cable
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

18. Re: Lift it up question SAFELY
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

19. Re: Chicago trip
From: Owen3164ever_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

21. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

22. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

23. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: "DMC lover" <skadonya531_at_dml_home.net>

24. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:38:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: DeLorean on ebay

Is it me, or do these types of mods actually take AWAY
from the value of the car?

When it comes to vintage collectables, (and the D
would be that I would think), anything NOT original
takes from the value of the car...

Just a quesiton,
Mike
vin 855 (and 100% original! :) - down to the broken
fuel sending unit :)
--- Jack Stiefel <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com> wrote:
> I am not sure how much this matters, but on one of
> the pictures it shows the
> center console with a few mods



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:11:29 -0000
From: "VIN 5386" <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Public Thank You / New DeLorean owner

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to publically thank, Richard Weissensel,
of IL for helping to make my dream come true. I posted
a message on the bullitin board looking for a project
DeLorean and in a day or so Richard contacted me, we
spent a week discussing terms, and like he knows at
some points it seemed like it wouldn't happen. But I
am proude to say we have reached an agreement, in a
yesr I will be the proud owner of VIN 5386. I just
wanted to thank you Richard publically for being a
great guy and helping me realize my dream, when the
clouds semed darkest Richard helped me to make it
possible. I am going to see the car and Give Richard
the downpayment towards the end of the month beginning
of April. So I will have pics to share with the group.
I also plan on posting pics of the restoration. I
could go on for pages telling everyone how great
Richard is for helping me but I'll refrain from that
for now. just for now though. lol!

VIN 5386 will in a years time be moving to PA with me and I
will comence the restoration at that point. I am very
excited, haven't slept mutch in the past week. I'm
doing all kinds of research and stuff. this is been a
great dream of mine, it has ment so mutch to me to own
a DeLorean. Thank you Richard! and Thank you to the
DML for allowing me to post my add, without this group
I would never of got contacted by Richard, and  Iwould
never of had this oppertunit. I thank you and VIN 5386
thanks you! I can't wait to see her in the stainless!!

Todd
VIN 5386

"Dont just dream the Dream, live the Dream! Drive Stainless!"






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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:18:21 -0000
From: graves_14_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Stainless, wonderful Stainless

I just got a few of those scotch bright pads for the SS panel re-
graining, and I must put in my two cents here... Not only did it 
remove some of the normal scratches that might form near the trunk 
area, but I also re-grained several other sections of the car, and 
wow! The panels are sparkling!

I love this car for many reasons, and the fact that you can remove 
scratches easier than I could have ever imagined really takes the 
cake. 

I have a hard time understanding how people can criticize the panels 
as being hard to take care of, especially after my experience. 

Some of the people that I have spoken to about re-brushing the 
stainless were a little uneasy about doing it. I just did steady, 
firm, with the grain strokes. My suggestion would be to do strokes 
that go the whole length of the particular panel you are working on; 
don't stop in the middle. I also got the handle for the pads, which 
must make things easier. 

I was all ready to go for a weekend spin, but unfortunately I'm part 
of the New England crowd.... Oh well.

Tyler
#3472





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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:21:28 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Balancing a PRV-V6 and other stuff

There is little to be gained only by "balancing" the internal engine 
parts (the factory has already done that). If this was done as part of 
a comprehensive plan including "blueprinting, porting, polishing, and 
CCing" and perhaps improving the breathing ie: intake and exhaust then 
you would see a difference. Things to look for on a "D".
reenforcing brackets on the front sway bar
inertia switch by bonnet release with white mark
cotter pins in ball joint nuts
fan fail relay or jumper
plate over throttle spool indicating throttle recall
None of these things are too important, that is to say the general 
condition of the car is paramount, everything else can be taken care 
of. If the car was "beat" but had the updates what good is it? It is 
much better to start with a fresh car then a "beater". As far as tires 
everyone has opinions, best to drive someones's car with their tires 
and see for yourself.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., sean_dmc1_at_dml_h... wrote:
> [MODERATOR NOTE - the prior message was posted 3/5 as message 15386, 
no replies]
> 
> 
> Group,
>             I am not sure if my first message went through, so I am 
> going to try and repost a part of it. All of my messages to the DML 
> have been returned, whats going on? Anyway, has anyone tackled 
> balancing a PRV-V6? I think it would be a good idea. Also, what 
tires 
> would most owners recommend to put on the car. I want matching pairs 
> if at all possible! Also, how can you be sure that a car has had all 
> the necessary updates? I need to know as I am looking into buying 
> another car. Thanks!
> 
> Sean




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 03:46:33 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Spring washers, anyone?

Les and Group, Since I have never taken a windsheild wiper off of a 
De Lorean. See if the wavy washers your talking about are the ones I 
put on the web site today. Look under Heat Items. I will be changing 
the button soon to Hardware. Give it time to load.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
Mr. Partsman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Windshield wipers call for a spring washer and a nut, I have two
> ordinary wrought washers.  DMC Houston does not list them, PJ Grady
> doesn't have them, the two local hardware stores never heard of 
spring
> washers or wavy washers.  Rather than knocking on every door, does
> anyone have a source?  (I'm not really a purist but I do give 
everything
> a shot).
> 
> Thanks, Les




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:52:28 -0600
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Re: Balancing a PRV-V6 and other stuff

One way to tell if the car has had some updates, is to check the relay
compartment behind the passenger seat.  If the blue plug (Fan Fail relay) is
still in place, chances are, it hasn't had updates done to it.  Most owners
from what I've seen, update the relays before they usually do anything else.


Hope this helps,

Duke

----- Original Message -----
From: <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:11 PM
Subject: [DML] Balancing a PRV-V6 and other stuff


Also, how can you be sure that a car has had all
> the necessary updates? I need to know as I am looking into buying
> another car. Thanks!
>
> Sean
>



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:03:03 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Hi DMCers,

Today I discovered some *&^%$#_at_dml_ ('fatherless-one') stole the ignition key
from my stored DeLorean. This is the car I will be restoring so now a new
ignition will go in her for security!

How do I find out the existing/original ignition key ref.# ... is there any
record of key#s to Vin#s (00780). I need an ignition key to unlock the
steering lock to roll her into a container for shipment to USA. I have a
second key for her but its the door key (with light) and doesn't fit the
ignition.

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

Cheers,               IAN
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:30:34 -0000
From: shirazcupala_at_dml_home.com
Subject: Eagle Premier 3.0L - PICTURES

Hello Everyone,

So after promising for a long time, I've finally taken some pics of
my engine setup. Thanks Darryl for prompting me to do this. You
actually encouraged me to setup my whole DeLorean web site.

To see the pictures go to:
http://members.home.net/cupala/DeLorean/tech_pictures.htm
(Please note this is case sensitive for some awful reason.)

Use the left navigation to see the specs and more.

Why Did I Install This Engine?
My old engine overheated and was unsalvagable. This should answer the
other question floating around regarding what happens when you
overheat a DeLorean. High temperatures and aluminum don't mix.

Anyhow, I'd always intended to put in something more powerful. John
Lane managed to convince me that a newer, even firing engine would be
better. I could talk about all the power or that eventually I'll put
in forged pistons, a torque cam shaft, and a turbo or supercharger.
However, the DMC Houston engine project is getting lots of nice power
too and is "more stock". The real reason why I switched is because
the thermometer in the newer engine is in the engine block instead of
in the coolant like in the stock DeLorean. Why does that matter? Well
when you lose your coolant your temp gauge doesn't show the engine
overheating. This is exactly what happened to me. A small but key
flaw in the DeLorean PRV, in my humble opinion.

So there you have it. My car is a daily driver. I like the smoothness
of the engine. I like the power. I like that I can trust what my temp
gauge says. I love owning my DeLorean!

Yea!
shiraz

VIN#2860





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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:51:11 -0000
From: rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Stripping paint

I was wondering if is was possible to strip a painted delorean by 
spreading break fluid across the panels.  Would this method damage 
the SS panels?





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:54:02 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: Re: Stripping paint

Sir,
I am the owner of a painted DeLorean.  I just read your email and could not believe what I read.  There are many ways to strip the paint but BRAKE FLUID is not one of them.

For about 50.00 bucks you can buy an enviormentally safe paint remover.  I have thought about removing my paint but for the amount of money it involves it is not worth it.  After paint has been removed a regraining of panel needs to be done.  Panels are very thin so this is an iffy proposition.  I have done some reasearch on this so email me back if ya need some tips.

Jim Sawyer
vin 4149
"ELMO" 
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:05:13 EST
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Ian,
It is one of those fatherless terrorists that you had refered to. He has found out that you are shipping the car into the country on a military waiver.
May the curse of a thousand hundais be upon him.

Barry



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:11:59 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

In a message dated 3/9/01 9:49:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ian_at_dml_netvigator.com writes:

<< I need an ignition key to unlock the steering lock to roll her into a 
container for shipment to USA. >>

I understand ignition lock sets are NGA  (not generally available.)
Try DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, CA.  The phone number is 
714-554-6794 plus whatever prefix you'll need to call the USA from Hong Kong. 
 I heard Don just happens to have a couple of them. Other D vendors might 
too... haven't needed to research that personally!

Wayne A. Ernst
The New DeLorean Manuals Project
vin 11174



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:27:10 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights

Ben,

I have installed the proximity sensors that you are talking about from Dave
Sontos.  They work fantastic!  But they are rather expensive.  When the
doors are closed, the sensors draw about 0.5mA each.  In laymen terms, that
is just a fraction of what a clock or stereo preset memory would draw.  They
look great and are far more reliable than those old switches that tend to
jam and bend and kill your battery.  The kit also comes with a kill switch
for turning the lights off when leaving the doors open for extended periods
of time.  I installed the kit myself, too.  If you can figure out how to
install a new stereo in a car, then you can follow the instructions that
Dave sends with the sensors.

Consider the cost of these sensors to be cheap insurance against a dead
battery.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:31:05 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Stripping paint

Do not use brake fluid to strip the paint. There are lots of paint 
stripping chemicals you can use to strip the paint off. But be warned 
that if you do strip the paint, it is going to take some work to get 
the Stainless panels back to their original grain. Also you may find 
some "bondo" fixes under that paint. If you want info on how to strip 
the paint down and regrain the Stainless, talk to Dan (Danrc30) he 
has done this with great success. Check out the pictures he took 
after he did it in the vault. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/files/Custom%20Wheels%20and%
20Custom%20Headlights%20on%20my%20Delorean/

It's titled "Custom Wheels and Custom Headlights on my Delorean"

Steve 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., rpeckhoff_at_dml_y... wrote:
> I was wondering if is was possible to strip a painted delorean by 
> spreading break fluid across the panels.  Would this method damage 
> the SS panels?




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:33:24 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Chicago trip

Hi
I will be in Chicago next week on Wednesday and Thursday and I will be near 
the airport.  Anyone in Chicago interested in getting together either 
evening.  

Ken



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:59:06 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Lift it up question SAFELY

For my 2 cents and a slight scare:

I picked up the front of my DeLorean using a floor jack with a wood block
for padding.  I sat the car down on a pair of heavy duty jack stands, both
adjusted to the same height.  They were supporting the car on the clamps
that hold the sway bar bushings.  I push the car slightly as usual to make
sure everything was solid, and it appeared to be.  I crawl under the car
with a mechanics creeper and knock one of the jack stands loose.  I thought,
"What the _at_dml_#$%!"

Anyone have any explanations?  Otherwise, the car seemed solidly supported
by just one stand in the front, but I wasn't taking any more chances.  When
only picking up one side of the car, I always now try to have 3 points
holding it with the other side of the car supported by wheel chocks.  I also
keep a cell phone on my belt.

I used to use a set of ramps several years ago, but quit because I had
trouble keeping them under the tires as I drove up on them.  They tended to
scoot forward with the car and/or move to one side.  They might make good
'jack stands' for under the tires, but I would never try driving up on them
anymore.

Sometimes when starting a cold engine, it is easy for something stuck under
a rear wheel -- a piece of cardboard, sheet metal, dry wall, plywood or
whatever -- to come flying out like an axe blade.  For that reason, I'm not
fond of ramps or anything else under the tires except the floor.  Also be
careful when putting things under a car tire to get a car unstuck from soft
ground.

Also a note about putting a car on concrete blocks -- A relative of mine was
killed doing this.  It doesn't matter how you orient the blocks.  Just
however you try to use them, don't use them to hold up a car.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:09:56 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Trunk Release Cable

Ok, I've got a new one. After I had speakers mounted to the kick 
panels in my car, the trunk was unable to open because the speaker 
was in the way of the handle. The fix for this by the guy who 
installed the speakers was to loosen the handle so I could "bend" the 
handle out far enought to clear the speaker. Long story short, the 
stress placed onto the cable from this, and from when the handle kept 
falling off snapped the cable right _at_dml_ the handle.

So my question is this: Does any one here have any ideas as to 1. 
Extend the bolt out a little farther. or 2. Know of an assembly from 
another vehicle that I could use on the D. In other words, something 
that will stay above the box that I would pull straight back on 
rather then being connected to a handle that hangs. Sort of like a 
choke cable.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 23:12:25 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Lift it up question SAFELY

The reason you were able to move one of the jackstands is that the 
Delorean has a VERY stiff frame. If you are not on level ground you 
might only be supporting the car at 3 points! As always double check 
the car before you go under. If you are really paranoid also keep the 
hydralic floor jack under it as back-up. I don't think supporting the 
cat at the sway bar bushings is a good idea, it is the crumple zone, a 
better place is either under the lower control arms or the frame to 
either side of center just in front of the fuel tank.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> For my 2 cents and a slight scare:
> 
> I picked up the front of my DeLorean using a floor jack with a wood 
block
> for padding.  I sat the car down on a pair of heavy duty jack 
stands, both
> adjusted to the same height.  They were supporting the car on the 
clamps
> that hold the sway bar bushings.  I push the car slightly as usual 
to make
> sure everything was solid, and it appeared to be.  I crawl under the 
car
> with a mechanics creeper and knock one of the jack stands loose.  I 
thought,
> "What the _at_dml_#$%!"
> 
> Anyone have any explanations?  Otherwise, the car seemed solidly 
supported





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:05:24 EST
From: Owen3164ever_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Chicago trip

I live in the Chicagoland suburbs. My name is Justin. I'm almost 17 years 
old. Are you going to bring your DeLorean? I remember the Cleveland car show 
last year. I was in a small little town called "Canal-Fulton" that's near 
Canton, in Ohio. I was there from June 11-14th if I can remember correctly. I 
was staying there because of my grandma visiting family. I wanted to go to 
that car show so bad. The DeLorean are the car of my dreams. I love it w/a 
passion. I got to see the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame, and it was the greatest 
thing ever to see, other than a DeLorean. I did watch the webcam you guys had 
though. I think my grandma actually talked to someone and they said that the 
car show was for DMC owners only.  That meant to me that, I would have to be 
part of a club or something or own a DeLorean. It would be an honor if I went 
to the future car show in Memphis. I told my friend about it a while ago and 
he said we would drive down there. That's about it on that story. I can get 
to Chicago within 20-30 minutes. Any reaction to anyone else living in the 
Suburbs?? 

Bob Brandys- I know you live around here. I saw you at the Taste of Lombard. 
Will you be there?? If not, can you meet me somewhere in Lombard or around 
that area so I can see the car of my dreams? I'd give anything to see that 
again, to see more in Chicago or the Memphis car show. Thanks everyone.
Later,
Justin
Dreams come true...............rarely, =(



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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:16:48 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?



Jerry Rine former KAPAC parts manager is able to locate keys for 1981 
vehicles. The last telephone number I had was 740-366-5587.     
    Evidently, the initial DeLorean Motor Company had spare keys for each 
1981 vehicle. These keys were kept at the regional offices of DMC.  If the 
owner was in a situation requiring replacement keys, they could send a 
replacement, etc, etc.  
    The last time I saw the keys was the Columbus DMC sale in 1997.

Sincerely,
Mike Pack



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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:22:01 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Hi Barry,

> It is one of those fatherless terrorists that you had refered to. He has
found out that you are shipping the car into the country on a military
waiver.
> May the curse of a thousand hundais be upon him.

HeHeHeHeHeHe ..... Could be, there may be 20 Illegal immigrant stow-aways in
her already ... I'll check. I'm taking no chances of having my
'pride-and-joy' confiscated by US Customs!!!

Cheers,            IAN
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:25:21 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your input. I may try to get a complete new set during my refurb
in USA ... for security reaons, I don't like the thought of someone out
there having a key for my car ... even though it probably was some kid that
stole it!

DMC Houston may be able to get me a replacement key from their records.

Cheers,              IAN
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----- Original Message -----
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] How to replace a lost ignition key?


> In a message dated 3/9/01 9:49:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> ian_at_dml_netvigator.com writes:
>
> << I need an ignition key to unlock the steering lock to roll her into a
> container for shipment to USA. >>
>



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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:56:10 -0700
From: "DMC lover" <skadonya531_at_dml_home.net>
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Try contacting Ed at DeLorean 1, he has some keys.


----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] How to replace a lost ignition key?


>
>
> Jerry Rine former KAPAC parts manager is able to locate keys for 1981
> vehicles. The last telephone number I had was 740-366-5587.
>     Evidently, the initial DeLorean Motor Company had spare keys for each



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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:52:57 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Hi,

Thanks for your comment. DMC Houston contacted me saying they have records
of Key#s to Vin# for the early cars. They are going to check it for me.

Cheers,           IAN
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----- Original Message -----
From: DMC lover <skadonya531_at_dml_home.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] How to replace a lost ignition key?


> Try contacting Ed at DeLorean 1, he has some keys.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
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> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DML] How to replace a lost ignition key?
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