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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 450
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:55 AM

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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net

2. REFURBISHED VS. ORIGINAL
From: azb888_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re. Sender Unit hard to repair
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

4. Re: Transmission shift linkage
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Replacing factory radio
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. Radio removal
From: "Jerry Harry" <jerryHarry_at_dml_msn.com>

8. Re: Chicago trip
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

9. Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

10. Re: REFURBISHED VS. ORIGINAL
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

11. Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

12. Re: How to replace a lost ignition key? ( scan your keys,before you lose them))
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

13. A hissing sound
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

14. Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: A hissing sound
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com

17. Light Bulb Replacemnet
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

18. Re: A hissing sound
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

19. Pictures in vault.
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

20. ignition key?
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

21. Re: A hissing sound
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

22. Car Show
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

23. Re: ignition key?
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:07:40 -0000
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net
Subject: Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights

So whats rather expensive anyways? What are the itemized costs 
involved.

Jeremy



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Ben,
> 
> I have installed the proximity sensors that you are talking about 
from Dave
> Sontos.  They work fantastic!  But they are rather expensive.  




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:27:46 EST
From: azb888_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: REFURBISHED VS. ORIGINAL

Hello List,

I had one question in my mind and that is are refurbished DeLoreans any 
better or do they have any advantages over the original DeLoreans ????


Ali



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:50:55 -0000
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair

I would like to dispel the myth that it is almost "impossible to repair the
fuel sender unit" if you take the unit out and take it apart which consists
of one nut, then you can see just how simple the workings are. My fuel
sender stopped working and it was a spring that had snapped in the sender
unit it probably took about 1/2 an hour to remove it from the car solder it
back together and replace it in the car. That was 4 months ago and it has
been working fine since. Remember if it doesn't work what have you got to
loose by taking it out and trying to fix it yourself. I am sure that the new
Tankzilla units are much more reliable but I.M.H.O it is always best to try
and make use of what you already have rather than just replacing it.

If you were to rate on a difficulty scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most
complicated I would rate putting your key in the ignition as 8 and fixing
the sender unit as 10

Regards

James RG
Sunny England






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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:06:22 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Transmission shift linkage

Les,

The part you are referring to is part or part #19 Crossgate Mounting
Bracket. Part #18 Stiffener adds additional support to reduce flexing of the
crossgate shifter cable.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [DML] Transmission shift linkage


> Manual transmission, shift linkage, part number 18 is listed as a
> stiffener, what the heck does is stiffen?  It's hanging out in empty
> space on the prints. Please, in simple terms, what does it do, where
> does it go, I don't seem to have that part or haven't found it yet.
> (I'm having a problem in that area).
>
> Thanks, Les





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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:55:23 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability

Most PRV overheat events result in a blown head gasket. Excessive
overheating will cause the heads and or block to warp.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: DeLorean B28F Reliability


>
>
> Dear DML,
>
> Just curious, What happens IF someone overheats the engine?
>
> What can we anticipate from the engine besides warped heads and head
gasket
> failure?
>     Bent Crankshaft?
>     Piston damage?
>     Bent Valves?
>     Bearing failure?
>     Camshaft wear?
>     Engine replacement?
>
> Has someone overheated their engine and experienced any significant
component
> failure?





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:51:00 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Replacing factory radio

What is needed to replace the factory radio with a new one?

I was told that this is difficult to do, and if not done right, the original
radio can never be remounted.  Are there step by step instructions out there
somewhere on how to do this?

Also, do I need any special hardware or mounting brackets to put in a new
radio?  If so, where can I obtain them?




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:47:12 -0600
From: "Jerry Harry" <jerryHarry_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Radio removal

Hello List;
I plan to remove the radio from my car for repair.  Should not be a big deal but just thought I would ask the list if there is anything I should watch out for. Is there an easy way over just going in and taking it out?

Thanks for any help.
Jerry
Vin # 4890<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:54:15 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Chicago trip


Justin,

The DeLorean Time Machine will be in Lombard, IL on Saturday August 4.  and July
7, 2001.

At the present time, I am not planning on bringing it to Memphis.  It is too far
from Chicago for me to tow it.

Bob Brandys




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:47:37 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Door Switches for Interior Lights

Thanks for the plug Walt....

Jeremy, I am selling the proximity sensors as kits for $150, that includes
shipping anywhere in the US. I've posted the installation Instructions on my
webpage at http://personal.picusnet.com/dsontos/page1a.html , that will tell
you what's included in the kit and the amount of work involved to install
the units.

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Door Switches for Interior Lights


> So whats rather expensive anyways? What are the itemized costs
> involved.
>
> Jeremy
>




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:10:13 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: REFURBISHED VS. ORIGINAL

What is a "refurbished" Delorean and by who? As is the case with most 
things in life definitions are important. If a "refurbished" Delorean 
means cleaned up, not all wearable items replaced, then NO a 
refurbished Delorean is just a cleaned up car with most of the obvious 
problems repaired. There is nothing inherently wrong with an origional 
after all thats what you start with to get a "refurbished" Delorean 
anyway! Ask just what is done to make a "refurbished" car as opposed 
to getting an origional. Is it Ed? Then I think the price is what 
makes it a "refurbished" car. Maybe it's a frame-off restoratation? 
There is no standardization of terms so make sure it is SPELLED OUT 
especially if there is any warranty. Get everything in writing just 
in case you are dissappointed and don't get what you bargained for.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., azb888_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I had one question in my mind and that is are refurbished DeLoreans 
any 
> better or do they have any advantages over the original DeLoreans 
????
> 
> 
> Ali




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:39:02 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair

James RG wrote:

> I would like to dispel the myth that it is almost "impossible to repair the
> fuel sender unit" if you take the unit out and take it apart which consists
> of one nut, then you can see just how simple the workings are.

I am the one who made the "almost impossible" statement.  Like you, I repaired
my fuel sender myself.  Within two months its operation was intermittent and it
failed completely within a year.

I think I repared it about six more times.  Yes, the mechanism is so simple that
it can be repaired without any explanation, instructions, or diagram.  The
problem is not its complexity but its construction.  The original fuel sender is
not very reliable.

James RG, if your original sender has better than intermittent operation I think
you should count yourself lucky.  But perhaps the later units (like yours) were
built better than mine.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280 (early 81)
  Sunny Cleveland




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:49:31 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key? ( scan your keys,before you lose them))

For future referance I would suggest you scan your keys into your 
computer (both sides)and make them to scale(1 to 1)(You can also use 
a copy machine),so that in the future if your keys get lost or 
stolen,you can print it out,and have a locksmith use that printed out 
copy in which to make new keys using Volvo Blanks or Delorean blank 
keys.OR you would be able to email(the scaned copy) to DMC of texas 
or D1 to make sure their "spare" keys were correct. Just a 
suggestion.That is what I did.

Claude
000570



   Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:25:21 +0800
   From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: Re: How to replace a lost ignition key?

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your input. I may try to get a complete new set during my 
refurb
in USA ... for security reaons, I don't like the thought of someone 
out
there having a key for my car 



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:25:59 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: A hissing sound

Well I got in the car today and noticed a hissing sound behind the heater/AC panel.  Hummm. . . . Any ideas before I get wild and crazy in the garage?

Jim
4149 "ELMO"
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:19:04 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair

James, Now that the cat is out of the bag about sending units. I 
repaired my sending unit about a year ago and it's still working 
fine. The main problem in the one I had was moisture sitting in the 
bottom of the unit an no where to go. It corroded the contacts and 
one wire came loose due to the corrosion. After cleaning three 
contact points and a little soldering and a modification it's been 
working fine. So for about a year. Another car I have doesn't have 
the screw in the bottom of the sending unit and hasn't given a 
problem. They are fixable, just how long it will last, nobody knows, 
but it was a lot cheaper than the alternatives. Will put the inside 
on the web site soon and the contact points to look for and the 
modification.Yes, If anyone want me to look at theirs, the email me.  
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com


  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I would like to dispel the myth that it is almost "impossible to 
repair the
> fuel sender unit" if you take the unit out and take it apart which 
consists



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:48:17 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re. Sender Unit hard to repair

James,

Many years ago when the supply of original fuel senders was exhausted I took
on a research project to develop a repair procedure for this very important
device. I used three senders using different repair techniques. After six
month's of tests and trials none of the senders held up. In my opinion
repair of the original sender is not suggested. This device, which sends an
electrical signal to the dash fuel gauge to indicate the amount of fuel
remaining in the tank is of marginal quality. Its design flaw is not the
electrical design or circuit, it is the materials it is built of. Most of
the
unit is made of plastic with weak electrical components and connections.

Consider yourself lucky that you were able to resurrect your sender but I
don't agree with your statement:

"If you were to rate on a difficulty scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most
complicated I would rate putting your key in the ignition as 8 and fixing
the sender unit as 10"

As for as repair of the sender; just attempting to take it apart and putting
it back  together is a challenge. I have no disagreement with an owner with
the knowledge, mechanical ability, and proper tools attempting such repairs,
but I would be very cautious about suggesting that this is an easy repair
for the average "shadetree mechanic", especially when you consider that the
procedure involves a "live" electrical component that sits inside the fuel
tank; remember "flight 800".

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Vin#5462 <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
To: DeLorean Mailing List <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 4:50 AM
Subject: [DML] Re. Sender Unit hard to repair


> I would like to dispel the myth that it is almost "impossible to repair
the
> fuel sender unit" if you take the unit out and take it apart which
consists
> of one nut, then you can see just how simple the workings are. 



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:31:07 -0000
From: theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: A hissing sound

The vacuum line probably got disconnected from the back of the mode
switch.  You have 2 options.  Use a flashlight and go in from behind
under the driver's side dash to reconnect the line.  Or, you can
remove the radio and go in from that hole in the front, but then you
run the risk of knocking it loose again when you put the radio back
in.

John Yeoman





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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:36:57 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Light Bulb Replacemnet

    
Dear DML,

    Have any DeLorean owners out there ever had to replace one or more light 
bulbs inside the instrument cluster?
    
Mike



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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:38:05 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: A hissing sound

In a message dated 3/10/01 7:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net writes:

<< Well I got in the car today and noticed a hissing sound behind the 
heater/AC panel. >>

 Sounds like the Mode switch either has to be rebuilt or replaced.  I 
remember seeing somewhere that Rob Grady sells the mode switch diaphragm to 
help rebuild it.  Its a part of this "HRC Series Parts", give him a call  
(1-800-589-6224   or  631-589-6224 ) and see what he can do.

Later,
Nick
1852
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:38:58 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Pictures in vault.


DML,

    I have uploaded some files and pictures in the Yahoo Vault. Let me know 
what you think.

Mike Pack.



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:12:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: ignition key?

I bought two blank keys from DMC in Houston, and I'll
be damned if I can find anyone to copy them...

Anyone have any ideas?

Walmart says they cant because their machine is made
by Axxess, and they wont fit, Sears wont because they
are afraid they will screw it up (I even told them i
wouldnt hold them liable for a screwed up key, but
they still wouldnt touch it).
I heard locksmiths stick ya for price, and after
spending $30/key, I dont wanna spend another $50 to
get them copied...

any help appreciated,
Mike
855



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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:34:09 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: A hissing sound

Sounds like you have a bad Mode switch. They are rebuildable. I know 
Rob sells the rebuild kit for it or you can send it to him to have it 
rebuilt.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., mrvideosawyer_at_dml_n... wrote:
> Well I got in the car today and noticed a hissing sound behind the 
heater/AC panel.  Hummm. . . . Any ideas before I get wild and crazy 
in the garage?
> 
> Jim
> 4149 "ELMO"
> __________________________________________________________________
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:15:31 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Car Show

I know it is early, but this will give all of you (that are interested) time to plan and also, there is a deadline for registering.  There is a British Car Show coming up this May 5th.  Our DeLoreans will have their own class too.  The main problem and reason for signing up early is that last year, there were so many cars that showed up, they ran out of room!  This year they have changed things around to limit the number of cars.  Only those that pre-register will be allowed to participate any we all have until April 10 to do this at a cost of $15.  The show takes place in Townsend, TN.  Last year there were 4 (or was it 5) DeLoreans that pre-registered and only 2 of us showed up!  We need to improve on this greatly.  Anyone that is interested or needs more information, let me know.  I can also provide scanned images of the registration form so you can pre-register in time.  Come on!  Let's show all of the other makes that appear there that we can show in just as large a group!
.

See you there!

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:46:48 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: ignition key?

I would not be afraid of a competent locksmith. Did you actually ask 
one for a price?  I had mine done at one - I think it cost about $2 
each with me bringing in the keys. I would NOT trust it to some 
teenager at Wal-Mart or wherever - I've had many bad keys cut at 
department/hardware stores, I don't bother with them any more.

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I bought two blank keys from DMC in Houston, > I heard locksmiths 
stick ya for price, and after
> spending $30/key, I dont wanna spend another $50 to
> get them copied...





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