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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 453
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 4:50 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Eagle Premier 3.0
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

2. RE: DeLorean Time Machine in Seattle
From: Evil MoFo <evilmofo_at_dml_pacbell.net>

3. Re: Pictures in vault.
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

4. Re: Light Bulb Replacemnet
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com

5. Stainless Steel Picture Frame
From: Shannon Yocom <ss_at_dml_delorean.com>

6. Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com

7. Re: Pictures in vault.
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

8. Some Inforatmtional links
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

9. DeLorean in Comic Strip (again). Might be yours!
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

10. RE: Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

11. Interesting DMC For Sale
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

12. Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Guest status
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

14. Re: re.re.fixing
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

15. Re: Craig Radio
From: "carteblanche" <carteblanche_at_dml_franceplus.com>

16. Modify a Craig Display BEFORE you loose it ?
From: ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com

17. Headlight trouble
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:47:59 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: Eagle Premier 3.0

> the thermometer in the newer engine is in the engine block instead of
> in the coolant like in the stock DeLorean. Why does that matter? Well
> when you lose your coolant your temp gauge doesn't show the engine
> overheating.

Umm, I hate to be the one to point this out Sheraz, but the DeLorean
temperature sending unit is in the RH cylinder head, not in the coolant
line.  There is no reason it should not show the correct engine temp.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:40:28 -0800
From: Evil MoFo <evilmofo_at_dml_pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Time Machine in Seattle

That was down here in northern California a couple of months ago. The time
machine isn't as nice as the universal studios cars but it was nice to see.

-----Original Message-----
From: marlus_at_dml_devoltaparaofuturo.com
[mailto:marlus_at_dml_devoltaparaofuturo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:51 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Time Machine in Seattle


I saw in ABC channel today that there will be a car
exibithion show in Seattle next Thursday to Sunday.
There will be famous cars like Batmobile, the car from
"Dukes of Hazzard" and the DeLorean Time Machine.
Does someone know more about this event, and who the
time machine belongs to?

Thanks

Marlus Pertile
Olympia, WA

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:58:08 -0600
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Pictures in vault.

 Mike,

Really interesting.....Where did you get all this stuff?  You are really
giving me the itch for Ireland!

Jake
Anxiously awaiting May



<<
>     I have uploaded some files and pictures in the Yahoo Vault. Let me
know
> what you think.
>
> Mike Pack.





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:43:41 EST
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Light Bulb Replacemnet

Hi Everyone,

I replaced all the bulbs in the instrument cluster with neon blue bulbs. I'd got a couple of bulbs that had blown so while I had the binnacle out I thought I would try different colors. Neon might not be everyones cup of tea but I like it.

Nigel

02677

ps
removing the binnacle is not as difficult as first seems but before you bolt it back in make sure everything works.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 05:38:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ss_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Stainless Steel Picture Frame

FYI  to all,
  If you've been wanting to frame a picture of your D or just a stainless steel nut . . . WalMart has a great document size black frame that has a nice stainless steel boarder! Under $10.
  Just found it this weekend while brows'n.

Shannon
VIN# Not Yet!

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YourName_at_dml_delorean.com -- it's free from <a href="http://www.delorean.com"> DeLorean Motor Company</a>!



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:33:30 -0000
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit

[MODERATOR NOTE: I will accept posts like this only as long as they reamin cool-headed and civilized.  Remember that when responding to this thread.   - Mike Substelny, this week's DML Moderator]

 I have to say that I take offense to your posting John.

>All they can do is criticize the efforts of others. And if they sell 
tank sending units, then even more reasons to criticize.>

You are the only person selling DeLorean parts that constantly and 
regularly criticize the efforts of the DeLorean vendors.
If you want to be a DeLorean vendor then do it the way the DeLorean 
vendors we depend on did, by providing the DeLorean community with
1st rate parts or service.
 
When I first started reading your posts and about your products I
felt that you where going to be an asset to the DeLorean community
and eventually would be one of the people who help contribute to the 
DeLorean community.

Your approach to marketing your products is offensive to me and I'm 
sure many other people on this list(who have been served well by the 
DeLorean venders) feel the same way!

If you truly come up with a better product or service I welcome it 
(that will benefit all of us)! What I have a problem with is the way 
you attack the DeLorean people who have provided us with exceptional 
parts, service, technical advice and more importantly done this 
honestly and with integrity.

As I said once before " I encourage you and anyone else to provide
the DeLorean with new and innovative parts and ideas that improve and 
preserve the cars we love". Your approach seems to be to attack the 
high quality and perhaps more important proven fixes that already 
exist.
 
John let me conclude by saying this is not an attack on you
personally or what you are trying to do (I commend you for what you 
are trying to do). My problem is the way you have attempted to do
this which in my opinion is more detrimental then beneficial. 

Regards,

Mike D. 









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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:05:22 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Pictures in vault.



Hi,

    I'm glad you like the pictures, etc., in the vault.

I've been a DeLorean enthusiast for a long time. The pictures came from my 
trips around the world. The memorabilia I purchased and collected over the 
years.

Thanks,
Mike



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:14:11 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Some Inforatmtional links

Hi all,

While surfing the net for information I found an interesting link 
that I thought might intrest a few here on the DML. 

http://www.users.bigpond.com/INTERJECT/ksitepln.htm

It's a site that describes the workings of the K-Jetronic fuel 
injection system that our D's have. He describes how to clean the 
injectors and also has some tech tips. One interesting fact that I 
found on the webpage was the fact of not using any type of injector 
cleaner that contains Methylated Spirits. The webpage for that fact 
is here: 

http://www.users.bigpond.com/INTERJECT/KCASE.HTM

I also found interesting that the K-Jetronic can handle up to 
260HP! :) Nice to know that if anyone is interested in boosting the 
HP in the stock engine they won't have to swap out the Fuel injection 
system.

Steve




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:20:22 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: DeLorean in Comic Strip (again). Might be yours!

For the second time in two months, the comic strip "This Modern World"
prominently features a DeLorean.  You can read it on line here:

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/03/12/tomo/index.html

Previous cartoon here (features DeLorean w/ doors up and DMC logo):

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/01/16/tomo/index.html

I mention this not to start a discussion about politics or the artist's
license with the DeLorean window, but to point out that cartoonist Tom
Tomorrow's depiction of the BTTF DeLorean has none of the time vehicle
do-dads from the movies.  It looks like a stock DeLorean that happens to
be flying.

I Emailed Tom Tomorrow, complimenting the detail and proportion of the stock DeLorean and asking if he used a real DeLorean as a model.  Here was his response:

> Thanks for noticing.  I put a lot of work into these
> small details and I don't know if anyone notices.  I
> used the Delorean as a reference to "Back to the Future,"
> of course.  Worked from a photo I found online, honestly
> couldn't tell you where -- there are a lot of Delorean
> websites out there!

This probably means that some DML subscriber's car has been immortalized in the "This Modern World" comic strip!

- Mike Substelny



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:22:47 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit

My pet peeve is that people are allowed to post without signing there name.

I like the alternative fixes for DeLorean weaknesses.  I wished that I had
thought of them.

Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA

-----Original Message-----
From: turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com [mailto:turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:34 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit


[MODERATOR NOTE: I will accept posts like this only as long as they reamin
cool-headed and civilized.  Remember that when responding to this
thread.   - Mike Substelny, this week's DML Moderator]

Major Snipping

John let me conclude by saying this is not an attack on you
personally or what you are trying to do (I commend you for what you
are trying to do). My problem is the way you have attempted to do
this which in my opinion is more detrimental then beneficial.

Regards,

Mike D.




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:47:23 -0600
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Interesting DMC For Sale

Posting for someone not on the list - I'm familiar with the car - very good
condition - a great deal, and an interesting car since it is the last one
built (not counting the gold ones).

Dave Swingle

=============================================



Stainless/Black/Manual Chicago Area $16,000/bo



Price reduced for quick sale.  Was $20,000 and worth it.  Just bought a
house and need mortgage money.  Call for details.  773-583-8660



Vin 20103.  Last stainless off the line that was put up for sale.  40K
miles.  Very mechanically sound.  Good looking car.  Long list of parts that
were replaced or rebuilt.  Will consider reasonable offers. Email above or
call 773-583-8660





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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:49:53 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Re.Re.fixing sender unit

IMHO while you may be creative enough and stubborn enough and clever 
enough to "repair" the fuel sending unit it is like fixing a Ducy 
alternater, sometimes it is better to replace. The origional sender 
unit is not well made and even when working is notoriously 
inaccurate.Your time would be better spent on improving some other 
area of the car, the sender unit problem is easily correctable now 
through the efforts of the Zilla line of products. If it seems too 
expensive for you just save up enough money till you can afford it 
(Your time must be worth something?)I dare say even with all of your 
work it won't last long.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757  Yes, I have installed Tankzilla and am hapy with it.

-- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., turbodmc_at_dml_h... wrote:
> [MODERATOR NOTE: I will accept posts like this only as long as they 
reamin cool-headed and civilized.  Remember that when responding to 
this thread.   - Mike Substelny, this week's DML Moderator]
> 
>  I have to say that I take offense to your posting John.
> 
> >All they can do is criticize the efforts of others. And if they 
sell 





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:53:19 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Guest status

At what point did this E-group require signing in just to browse the 
posts? You will never know how many "lurkers" are now barred from the 
list! I for one think the list should stay public to keep the 
participation as large as possible. Eventually if they are interested 
they will sign on.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:23:10 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: re.re.fixing

I agree that the response from John was overly strong, however, even I,
as wonderful as I am, sometimes say or write the wrong things, sometimes
it's a mood thing.

One of the first things I noticed on the list was that very often when
someone came up with something he might think to be helpful or useful,
others would jump all over him.  I had heard from the previous owners of
my car that there were so many "flame-throwers" they quit monitoring the
list.

Moderators do a good job, I've been moderated out 4 times in 5 weeks,
that's pretty good (or is this #5) so they are paying pretty good
attention but some of the lines are not that distinct.  Should John's
posting have been moderated out?  Hindsight says yes, hindsight is
always so brilliant, what is always needed is to put hindsight first.

Les




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:27:44 +0100
From: "carteblanche" <carteblanche_at_dml_franceplus.com>
Subject: Re: Craig Radio

I have one damaged but it works except the digital screen.
I live in France and I ask for that: 70$ +fret

Let me know.

C. Binet VIN 1804

----- Message d'origine -----
De : <Soma576_at_dml_aol.com>
À : <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé : mardi 27 février 2001 04:22
Objet : Re: [DML] Craig Radio


[Long quote snipped by Moderator.  Please email further comments directly to the parties involved.]



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:04:29 EST
From: ZillaDelorean_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Modify a Craig Display BEFORE you loose it ?

Les writes:
My first thought is that if you have a working display, and you want to
play tapes, it might be wise to try to prolong it's life rather than
waiting for it to break and then working out a fix.  

What seems an obvious primary solution is a thin coat of clear silicone seal, 
front
and back, at the break point.  That would add strength where desperately
needed and would certainly maintain or enhance flexibility.  I think it
would also move that flex point slightly.

Frank Russo ( from Zilla ):
This is a tough call to make Les.
If you continue to use cassettes it's likely a matter of when and not if.
The only way to circumvent the Display problem is before it happens.
The cable bends at such an extreme angle I doubt if Silicone would have any 
useful effect. The flex point will not shift. Close inspection will reveal 
this.

My recommendations in order of difficulty:
1 Stop using cassettes 
2 Remove the Stereo, wrap it in plastic and place another unit in the car.
3 Reroute the ribbon cable over the hinge bar ( big job )

DMC Joe says: Don't fix what isn't broken...... see 1 & 2

Frank Russo
Zilla




>  Thanks, Les



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:06:19 -0500
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Headlight trouble



I have discovered that i have a headlight out on low beam.  However, when i
switch to high beam the light comes on.   Is this simply a burned out
headlight, or something electrical?
Also, the lever for the high beams has broken and it now flaps back and
forth loosely.  The turn signal still works fine.  I'm wondering if this is
simply a spring that has fallen out or something more serious.

Thanks
  Willie Mack
  Vin 5043




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