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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 457
Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 2:45 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. removing fuel pump
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Another Low Air Fare to Eurofest
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Canadian DeLorean Speedo?
From: François Laplante <laplanca_at_dml_videotron.ca>

4. Broken Hose (vacuum or water)
From: fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net

5. update to 'car mysteriously won't start'
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

6. RE: DeLorean of the 90's?
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>

7. Re: Re: Door light question
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

8. I got my new car today and I am "Living the dream"
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

9. NOS leather shift boot swap?
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Re: Antenna Maintenance
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

11. Firestar 500
From: "Paul" <DeLorean53_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. Re: Another Low Air Fare to Eurofest
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

13. Re: Light Bulb Replacemnet
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Canadian DeLorean Speedo?
From: sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net

15. Re: Broken Hose (vacuum or water)
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>

16. Re: Antenna Maintenance
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

17. Re: Windshield washer nozzle
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

18. Re: Aluminum Cooling Pipes
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

19. Re: Door alignment
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

20. Re: Pathetic horns?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

21. Re: Broken Hose (vacuum or water)
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <tahoe98_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. more updates - my watery fuel pump
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

23. Newbie questions
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>

24. Door for sale
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

25. RE.RE. Headlight trouble
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:56:39 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: removing fuel pump

Hey guys,

i think my problem with starting lies in my fuel pump.  i opened my trunk and 
there's murky water inside the boot with all the connections underwater..... 
hmm. :-(

can someone tell me if the pump is a gravity pull pump or how does it work? i 
can't seem to find anything about it in my workshop manual.  if someone could 
point me as to where it is in there, or anything i should know about taking 
my pump out, drop me a line.

thanks!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:19:13 EST
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Another Low Air Fare to Eurofest

In a message dated 14-Mar-01 5:56:22 PM GMT Standard Time, rdh_at_dml_hozt.com 
writes:


> Ryan Air has great RT deals from London to Ireland for around $100.
> 


There are also cheap flights from Luton airport in England to Belfast via 
Easyjet:  http://www.easyjet.co.uk/
and British Midland have some good deals from Heathrow:
 http://www.flybmi.com/

Please note that the Europa Hotel in Belfast are holding a limited number of 
rooms and you are advised to reserve your room before April 18 with 10% 
deposit.

Also, please be advised that April 27 is the new cut-off date for all mail 
registrations sent to Joan Truscott (DOA) in Santa Barbara.  On-line 
reservations via DOA website will continue up to May 10..

Some events will be limited to 200 people and these will be on a first come 
first served basis.  Book now to avoid disappointment, the list of attendees 
is growing daily.     Thank you for your co-operation.

Robert Lamrock
Eurofest 2001 Organiser, Belfast



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:25:50 -0500
From: François Laplante <laplanca_at_dml_videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Canadian DeLorean Speedo?



My Dolorean (VIN 17145) is a «canadian» Delorean. It is equipped with a 240
KPH (also graduated to 150 MPH in smaller figures). The indicated speed
seems very precise after speed comparaisons with other cars, side by side.


François Laplante,
Hudson, Québec







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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:00:25 -0000
From: fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net
Subject: Broken Hose (vacuum or water)

Hi List,
I recently acquired a 82 DMC-12 5-speed that was sitting in storage 
for ten odd years. While in storage there it got a case of rat 
infestion. which brings me to my question:

There is a (more or less) clear hose running under the dash near the 
steering wheel that has been chewed through and is hanging. Any ideas 
as to what this hose belongs to or does? I can't find the other end.

Thanks,
Fernando Dillard




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:19:50 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: update to 'car mysteriously won't start'

Hey all,

many thanks to everyone who replied while i try to determine why my car won't 
start lately.  

i checked the coil spades - good.
checked the inertia switch - plunger is down
tried starting with accelerator down - nope, didn't work.
tried to keep on cranking. still no start.

so next i decided to check my fuel pump... hmm..... as soon as i took the 
fiberglass panel away, i could see a possible problem - the fuel pump boot 
had about one inch of water on the inside of it.  the terminals were totally 
immersed in murky stagnant water. ugh!!  it was kind of a sludge - tiny thin 
sticks, black decaying stuff, and icky water.  i would bet that this has 
something to do with my car not starting?

surprisingly, my fuel pump, boot, rings, and hoses are all in excellent 
shape. perhaps a previous owner changed them all within the last couple 
years?  it looks like the pump has been underwater for quite some time 
though.  the top is pretty rusty, and so are the connections. however, beyond 
the boot, the pump looks brand new. and fortunately, the rest of the parts 
are pretty clean.  maybe the water helped short out my pump?  or something 
like that?

well i took the pump out and i am busy cleaning it up.  my tank appears to be 
quite clean, by the way.  i can see the bottom where there's a mouse-trap 
looking yellow thing down there.  

would this fuel pump situation be consistent with my starting problem?  
before i removed the pump, i tried to sop up the water and start the car.  as 
i cranked, i could hear the car sound like it's sneezing every few cranks.  
like the car is SO close to starting, but it just can't quite make it.  what 
do the pros think?

should i just replace my pump itself?   or is it possible to clean it up?  
more importantly, where could the water have come from?

thanks,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:38:39 -0600
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean of the 90's?

Here's a link to a Subaru SVX page, if anyone wants more info on them.
Awesome vehicle, every review I have read was positive. Didn't sell very
well
because no one associated a sports car with the Subaru image and balked at
paying over $25,000.00 even if it was worth it. On the up side, you can get
one now
for about $15,000.00 or less, and like the Delorean, they are somewhat rare,
with
only 14,257 being made between 1992-1997.
              http://www.subarusvx.com/







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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:44:04 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Door light question

Something wrong there, door light should be out with wire pulled, might have
crossed up the wires.  Buzzer shouldn't be sounding off unless you left the
key in the ignition.  Wires are in pairs, make sure you have both halves of a
given pair going to the same switch.

Les

fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net wrote:

> In my car the door open warning was also on. I checked the door
> switches and found that one of the wires(there are three)was
> disconnected. Plugged the wire back in and the light went out.
> However, the door open warning buzzer(which is annoying) also came on.
>
> Fernando Dillard
>

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:15:40 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: I got my new car today and I am "Living the dream"

Hi everyone!

I GOT MY CAR!  WHOO HOOO!

I purchased VIN# 6680 from Doug Venner in NJ and drove it home tonight.

The car is GREAT!  Best toy I ever got in my life!

Thanks to everyone for the help over the past few months, and special thanks
to Doug for making my dream come true!




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:07:39 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: NOS leather shift boot swap?

Ok, I have an original "un-used" leather shift boot. It has never been 
installed on any DeLorean, and the original plastic piece that holds it in 
is in perfect shape without a scratch on it. Since my car isn't a concourse 
car, I'd like to offer it to someone who has a concouse car and can use it. 
I need a new shift boot as well, so I'm just going to get one of the 
aftermarket ones with the metal piece. So, if someone would like to swap me 
a new aftermarket boot for my NOS leather shift boot, I'd be up for that. If 
nobody wants to, I'll just put mine on Ebay and sell it so I can buy the 
aftermarket one. But, I'd rather help someone out on the list if I could 
first. E-mail me privately at Danrc30(at)hotmail.com if this interests you. 
Thanks.

---Dan
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:33:08 -0800
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna Maintenance

It is not a good idea to put oil on any object that friction can damage,
and is in an area prone to getting dirty. Dust, Grime, Road junk etc. can
all collect in the oil causing the antenna to jam, more that it would on
its own. This goes along the same principal of oiling any sort of
key/lock. This oil can cause the dirt to build up inside the lock,
damaging it. I have never pulled apart my DeLorean's power antenna, but I
imagine it is very similar to an 85' Toyota, which I have dismantled.
There was a plentiful supply of lubricant in side the main chamber, even
after 15 years. If the motor jams up, turn the radio back on and run a
clean towel down it, this will remove the grime, and restore it to
regular working order. 



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:11:31 -0000
From: "Paul" <DeLorean53_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Firestar 500

Anyone know about this Firestar 500? i  heard it was going to come 
out in 99 but obviously that hasnt happened




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:57:29 -0600
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Low Air Fare to Eurofest

Well, I can't beat that, Ray, but....

I booked my tickets on Monday using the websites:

www.economytravel.com

and

www.travelselect.com

They gave me a rate almost $300 cheaper than the best thing I could find on
expedia or travelocity.  I booked them on Monday and they were FedEx-ed to
me.  I got them today.  Very fast.  I was satisfied.

Jake


----- Original Message -----
From: <rdh_at_dml_hozt.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: [DML] Another Low Air Fare to Eurofest


> Here is an AWESOME AIRFARE bargain for DeLorean enthusiasts in
> Southern California interested in going to Eurofest.





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 06:42:44 EST
From: nbeatson_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Light Bulb Replacemnet

I got the bulbs from my local motor spares store. The type of bulbs I got are commonly available in the UK and are available in different colors (anyone for neon pink??). I don't have details of exact make and model numbers with me today but as soon as I've got them I'll post details.

Nigel
VIN 02677



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:59:53 -0000
From: sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net
Subject: Re: Canadian DeLorean Speedo?


Yep, my Canadian #17115 DMC12 has the 240 Km/h speedo.

Sacha

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> Just curious, what speedo came with the Canadian DeLorean's?
> Were they the ones with the 240KM/H speedos.




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:48:30 -0500
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Re: Broken Hose (vacuum or water)

Windshield washer?

--pete lucas
    VIN #06703

At 11:00 PM +0000 3/14/01, fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net wrote:
>
>There is a (more or less) clear hose running under the dash near the
>steering wheel that has been chewed through and is hanging. Any ideas
>as to what this hose belongs to or does? I can't find the other end.
>
>Thanks,
>Fernando Dillard



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:16:54 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Antenna Maintenance

Whatever works for you, different perspectives are a valuable part of the
list.  The antenna sections have a wiping action as they telescope, this
tends to remove any collected grime but leaves the film of lubricant.  I also
WD-40 lock cylinders, have done so since before the first D was born and have
done the same to my unit,  the lock cylinder was difficult to operate.  Works
fine now, if it acts up again it'll get another shot.

Les

Trevor L Johnson wrote:

> It is not a good idea to put oil on any object that friction can damage,
> and is in an area prone to getting dirty.

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:18:30 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield washer nozzle

The washer nozzle clips to the passenger side wiper arm; see 3/6/1 fig. 19
in the Parts Manual.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Windshield washer nozzle


> Mine's missing I think... Along with the pump, fluid bottle, and tray :P
> What does it nozzle clip on to?
>
> Jim
> 153grrr7





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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:19:03 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Cooling Pipes

Steve,

Your aluminum coolant pipes can be cleaned, simply remove them and clean
with a wire brush, scotchbrite pad, or steel wool.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: [DML] Aluminum Cooling Pipes


> I'd like to replace my some of my cooling pipes because some of mine are
> rather corroded.  I was wondering if anyone had any good used ones they'd
> like to sell.  There are a total of 10 pipes in the system.  I'm looking
for
> the forward-most 6.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
> VIN 2650 "Project Delorean"
> www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean






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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:19:17 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door alignment

Roger,

To prevent damage to your door latching system and the possibility of door
jamming you should install the door guides.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: [DML] Door alignment


> Some time back there was an exchange about the need for the Stainless
Steel
> Door Guides and that some of the earlier cars did not came with them
> installed. I can't find the reference, so here goes:
>
> My car, VIN 1074, does not have the guides.
> My doors align and open and close quite well.
> Should I still install the guides?
>
> (There is a set on e-bay, but Ian is the high bidder at this time and I
don't
> want to mess him up if he need the guides and I don't!)
> Roger






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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:20:07 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Pathetic horns?

Les,

The sound you are describing indicates water damage to your horns. This is
common in the DeLorean due to the close proximity of the horns to the
ground.

If your horns are factory originals they do have the tone adjustment you
described. In some cases after disassembly and cleaning you may be able to
return your horns to there original sound. On the other hand it is probably
more cost effective to replace them with either factory originals or generic
replacements available at most auto supply stores.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: [DML] Pathetic horns?


> My horns sound like anemic French cab horns, do they all sound like
> that?  I'd like macho horns, I don't want something that makes me want
> to say "excuse me" on those rare occasions when I feel the need to
> energize them.
>
> In my previous life (GM cars) most had an adjustment, a lock nut and a
> screw that would adjust the tone.  Do these horns have the same.  I'm
> not going under the car any more than necessary, if these aren't
> adjustable I'll live with my embarrassment.
>
> Thanks, Les






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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:41:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <tahoe98_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Broken Hose (vacuum or water)

My guess would be it's the hose for the windshield washer.  Get
a bucket & try to "clean" the windows with the switch on the
steering wheel.  

Ben Boatright
VIN 10115



> 
> There is a (more or less) clear hose running under the dash
> near the steering wheel that has been chewed through and is
> hanging. Any ideas as to what this hose belongs to or does?

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:44:46 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: more updates - my watery fuel pump

Hello all,

the responses and help just keep coming in!
last night i plugged in my cleaned up and newly rewired fuel pump into my 
harness and turned the key.  it still works!  and sounds strong too.  so 
since it works upon ignition, that would indicate that my problem does not 
lie in my fuel pump or any other fuel system components up to that point.  
i.e., my relays aren't fried, pump works.  

today i am going to take the pump to a machine shop and see if they can 
determine that the pump is actually PUMPING and not just making noises.  if 
that's ok, then i'm going to drop the pump back in the car and see if the 
engine starts.  if not, well then i'm all out of ideas and i'll be back on 
the computer typing to the DML!!! (after i try calling Rob or DMCJoe....)

thanks again,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:08:09 -0800
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
Subject: Newbie questions

Hi there,

Well, it's official. My next car is going to be a Delorean. First, I have to
come up with the money (should be set in a few months), then I'm going
shopping. In the meantime, I need to learn every little thing about the car
that I can. I've been researching web sites over the past couple of days and
will continue to do so, but I wanted to hear from you nice people as well.

My first question is, what are the Delorean's problem areas? In other words,
what can I expect to be replacing right away, why, and what are approx.
costs? I've read a little about the coolant bottle, the extra length of hose
to prevent air in the system and a problem with the door locks, but that's
about it.

Secondly, what do I need to watch for when looking over a potential car?
I'll probably end up buying one that's not very close to me, as you don't
just find them for sale in the local paper every day. The only thing I can
think to do is have the owner email me a bunch of pictures; I figure I'll
end up buying a one way airplane ticket and driving my new toy back so I'm
going to have to decide remotely. I'm on a number of other mailing lists and
may be able to find someone to go look at a car for me, which would help.

Third, I assume it's fairly easy to find most engine/mechanical parts? Can I
just walk into any auto store and buy consumable parts for it (air/oil
filters, o2 sensors, gaskets, brake rotors/pads, etc)?

Lastly, I've got a question that isn't 100% Delorean related: How do you
take care of your leather? I've got a new truck with all leather interior
and have no idea what I need to do to condition it. The dealership has no
idea; they told me to use "water or armor all." I figure if anyone would
know the "correct" way to do it, you would.

Thanks for all of the help! Anything else you can add would be greatly
appreciated!

-Ryan



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:47:17 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Door for sale


DML,

    At a recent meeting to plan our March get together I was offered a used 
DeLorean door. Since I do not have a need for the part, I would like to offer 
it to anyone on the list who would need such a part.
    The damaged door was from VIN 7014. This car belonged to another DeLorean 
Owner in the Maryland area. The dent was caused when a contractors work truck 
slowly backed into the door. The DeLorean was repaired by Antwerpen 
Lamborghini in 1987.
     The former owner would like to sell the used, damaged door or take it to 
the landfill/trash dump.  The damage is on the ridge of the passenger door, 
near the rubber side strip attachment area. Based on the information provided 
to me, the dent can be repaired, and looks repairable.  Please feel free to 
make an offer if you are interested. 

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
    



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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:37:58 -0000
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: RE.RE. Headlight trouble

A few posts ago I read this remark and had to stick my nose in,

"The internal part that goes "click-click" is plastic. It probably broke
inside, and believe me it is not worth the time to fix. There are many ball
bearings, etc., inside. So more than likely you will have to replace the
stalk mechanism. $165.00"

It only cost me around $15.00 to buy a switch unit from a Mini car in a
scrapyard (or junkyard as I think you refer to them in the USA) don't you
think it is worth trying to fix it, when you take the unit apart you will
see how basic it is.

As stated it will most probably be the small plastic component which is
broken but the dip/beam switch unit from a 1985 + Mini car is exactly the
same Lucas unit. As I said in a previous post the mini unit can not be
transplanted onto the DeLorean as the hole for the steering column is too
small but the actual components within the switch, including the plastic
part which is causing your problems, are the same.

I think I remember there being 2 ball bearings & 2 springs, but they are
under very little tension and will not spring out if you take it apart
slowly, also you will have spare springs & ball bearings from the Mini
switch unit when you disassemble it.
I saved myself $150.00 by doing this and it has worked like new for 7 months
now. if your going to buy a new one what have you got to loose? it only took
about 20 mins to take the two units apart and I had it back on the car
working within the 2 hours at most.

Just out of interest has the person who wrote the above actually taken the
unit apart?

Regards

James RG

P.S. I don't want to start the usual e-mail war which is usually caused when
someone contradicts another persons advice, I just speak from my own
experiences.




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