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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 464
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:23 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Jack Point Covers
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>

2. Re: Fuel Sending unit
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Trouble Shifting into Reverse and acceleration
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>

4. Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

5. RE: Welders
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>

6. DMC & JDL noted in recent "Forbes" article.
From: "Eric" <tre_at_dml_raex.com>

7. Re: Fuel Sending unit
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

8. JZD's house
From: tjb229_at_dml_psu.edu

9. Re: Re: OEM tire jack
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Shifting into reverse
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Re:Trouble Shifting into Reverse
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

12. Daily drivers?
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>

13. Re: What do you use to clean and protect your interior?
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

14. HUD Display
From: Robert Eckhoff <rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Don't cut the dash..cut the radio?
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

16. 11596 at Toppers Car Show, ND
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Renting out a DeLorean - Prices?
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Delorean Owners Manual
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Trouble Shifting into Reverse and acceleration
From: "Ed Garbade" <garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com>

20. Re: Daily drivers?
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>

21. Re: Fuel sending unit
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:09:28 -0500
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>
Subject: Re: Jack Point Covers

Scott,

What you are looking at on the rocker covers are plastic caps that cover the
seatbelt anchor bolts and not the jack points.  Any of the Delorean vendors
should have them.

Bill Lane
#3635

SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I attended a parade in San Diego with my Delorean and two
> others.  It was the first time that I had a chance to see other
> Deloreans up close with mine.  While mine only has 10K miles on it I
> saw that the other two had "covers" over their jack points. 




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:21:55 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Sending unit

Steve, I have take several fuel sending units apart and so far fixed 
them. I also have a replacement in the works.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., srubano_at_dml_o... wrote:
> Does anyone know how to take apart this _at_dml_#$% thing? I see a nut at 
> the bottom of the unit (under the filter screen) but it seems to be 
> frozen on. As I try turning it I can see something turning with it 
> inside the unit. I want to get in there to repair it as I can't 
dish 
> out the dough at this time for the Zilla unit. Any hints?? 



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:22:54 -0500
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_netunlimited.net>
Subject: Re: Trouble Shifting into Reverse and acceleration

You should not have to depress the clutch twice to get it into reverse.  It
sounds like the shift gate needs to be adjusted.

Bill Lane
#3635

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/18/01 8:08:44 AM Central Standard Time,
> garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com writes:
>
> > Well, I'm a brand new owner (as of 3/11/01).  My immediate concern is I am
> > having a great deal of difficulty getting my 5 speed into reverse. 



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:54:22 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: DelMarVA DeLorean Owners

It's mid March now...  I hope I did not miss this event!!

Is there a date set for this yet? or is it not going to happen?


Thanks

> senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com wrote:
> >
> > The DeLorean get together is in the works for sometime in Mid March. I hope
> > that this enough time for everyone to schedule a Saturday get together. Since
> > some owners are coming from different directions, I thought of meeting at the
> > Lincoln Memorial or over by the Smithsonian on the Mall.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:35:06 -0600
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp_at_dml_pclink.com>
Subject: RE: Welders


NOTE:  The welder that did my frame repair indicated that he was affected by
the fumes resulting from welding in the frame and burning off of the epoxy
finish.  This was after I had the frame sandblasted.  So beware, welding on
the frame may cause noxious fumes.

Nick Kemp




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:27:36 -0500
From: "Eric" <tre_at_dml_raex.com>
Subject: DMC & JDL noted in recent "Forbes" article.

In the March 19, 2001 issue of Forbes, DMC & JDL are noted in the last for
paragraphs of this article:

Was That Auditor's Opinion Really Independent?
Elizabeth MacDonald, Forbes Magazine, 03.19.01

The full text is available online here, but you *may* need to register at
the site first (it's free):

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/0319/109.html


Eric




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:24:14 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Sending unit

I'm sorry I don't want to seem rude but this is info that I don't 
need. I know they can be repaired and I know there are replacements, 
I just need to know how to disassemble it without breaking it. As of 
now the only way I can see to take it apart is to drill a small hole 
in the side of the unit, insert a thin piece of metal to stop 
whatever is turning as I try to remove the nut and geantly break the 
nut free. Afterwards fill the hole with some putty that people use to 
repair gas tanks with. If there is a less evasive way that anybody 
knows please let me know. 

Oh and one other thing, does anyone have specs on this? Like what the 
resistance readings should be at different levels? 

I am trying to utilize his list with questions before I start calling 
the Delorean vendors and bugging them with a million questions.

Thanks,
Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Steve, I have take several fuel sending units apart and so far 
fixed 
> them. I also have a replacement in the works.
> John Hervey
> www.specialtauto.com
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., srubano_at_dml_o... wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to take apart this _at_dml_#$% thing? I see a nut 
at 
> > the bottom of the unit (under the filter screen) but it seems to 
be 
> > frozen on. As I try turning it I can see something turning with 
it 
> > inside the unit. I want to get in there to repair it as I can't 
> dish 
> > out the dough at this time for the Zilla unit. Any hints??




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:53:48 -0000
From: tjb229_at_dml_psu.edu
Subject: JZD's house

I was wondering if anyone had directions to Mr. Delorean's old house 
in Bedminster, NJ. I'm going to be close to there this weekend, and 
would like to see it before it gets turned into a Country Club.

You can email me privately at tjb229_at_dml_psu.edu






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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:02:54
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: OEM tire jack

I reccomend cutting a circular piece of 3/4" ply and putting it under the 
spare tire. I have one under the spare in each of my cars in case I have to 
change a flat on a soft shoulder. (previous soft shoulder experience.) I 
have mine pretapped with holes so I can attach the jack to the stabilizer 
wood with a eye bolt and wing nut. It's not rated to hold the jack up 
totally but it's better then nothing.

my .02 worth
cheers,
dr c.

From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: OEM  tire jack
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:20:26 -0000

Claude, The oem jack seems to be adequate for the emergency changes,
but that's about it. Never trust getting under the car with it.
You might even want to carry around a couple of 1x4x12" for a better
footing incase your ever on the side of the road in soft ground. This
has happened to me and I couldn't jack up the car.
John Hervey



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:21:24 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Shifting into reverse

Wasn't going to respond to this but my problem was so similar it might
help.  I had trouble with all of the gears, reverse was particularly
hard to get into, sometimes took several tries and sometimes two hands.
Getting into 1st I'd sometimes have to go to 2nd gear and then into 1st,
downright miserable.

I replaced the pivot bolt only because I'd read so much about them
breaking, I chose specialTauto's bolt because it's listed as super
hard.  I did not see any problem with the pivot area.  Hopefully you
have the parts book, if not download it because that's where we go from
here: transmission, manual, shift linkage 4/2/0.

To shorten this, after the usual period of fumbling around in a strange
environment I noticed that part #23 the drop arm extension was bent,
where it rested against the transmission arm portion that the bolts went
into.  Didn't seem right so took it off and smacked it with a hammer on
my anvil.  Put it back on and my conclusion was that there was a
clearance problem with the transmission arm and that if I tightened the
bolts completely the drop arm extension would bend again.  I tightened
the bolt farthest away from the bend area but the bolt closest to it I
just tightened to "snug."   I used loctite on the threads and put a nut
on the extended bolt threads to keep it honest.

The result, downright amazing, reverse very easy to get into, 1st and
2nd are as good as any I remember driving.  I've ordered a new drop arm
extension but it works so well as is I probably won't change a thing.
To quote several of the sages, "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

Hope this helps and if not clear e-mail me privately.

Les




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:22:44 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:Trouble Shifting into Reverse

In a message dated 3/18/01 9:08:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com writes:

<< My immediate concern is I am
 having a great deal of difficulty getting my 5 speed into reverse.  I know
 it says lift on stick to put in reverse, but that doesen't seem to make any
 difference. >>

This drove me crazy when I first got my D!  Having driven auto trans nearly 
exclusively for the past 28 years, I probably took a year off the life of my 
transmission on the test drive alone!  :(  The prior owner, who is not a real 
large guy, saw me struggling and told me he used both hands to lift it up to 
get into reverse!  Not necessary, I later found out.
I had two problems:  keeping the shifter from dropping into second by 
mistake, and getting the gears to mesh even when I really was in reverse.  
Here's what I learned:
1)  The directions seem to say, "LIFT the knob, THEN move left, then 
rearwards."  But that doesn't always work.  The shift pattern diagram in the 
manual tells a different story. Try this: Move left, LIFT, then pull further 
left and rearwards."  
2)  If you're in the right spot but it hasn't quite meshed, maintain firm but 
not brute pressure rearwards on the shifter as you ease off gently on the 
clutch.  It should drop nicely into gear.  Don't ever force it or try to slam 
it into gear.   After you get a feel for this, it'll become second nature and 
you won't have to hope nobody's looking when you need to back up. :)  It's 
worth the trouble... for me, a five speed is more fun to drive! 

Wayne A. Ernst
The New DeLorean Manuals Project
vin 11174



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:21:52 -0800
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
Subject: Daily drivers?

Hi there,

How many of you use your Deloreans as a daily driver? How do they hold up to
being driven on a regular basis? I figure I'll put at least 15,000 miles a
year on mine; I just can't see having such a fun car and only driving it on
weekends. (I mean no offense to those of you who do this; I just couldn't
handle driving a "normal" car to work when I've got my very own Delorean
available. I'd do the same if it were a $400K Lamborghini. Heck, even if I
planned to drive it only on weekends I'd never follow through.)

I don't mind (in fact, I enjoy) the regular maintenance and time that goes
into an older vehicle. What I'm worried about is spending $15-20K on a car
and having recurring problems that keep me from driving it on a daily basis.
Obviously, things are going to break eventually, but I figure most cars
ought to be quite reliable up to at least 100K miles. Is this true of the
Delorean? How has it worked out for those of you who use it as a daily
driver?

Thanks,

-Ryan



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:43:56 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: What do you use to clean and protect your interior?

I have learned the hard way that it is a real bad idea to use Armor-All on
the dash of cars.  If you leave the car in the sun, the stuff evaporates
from the dash and gets the inside of the windshield all greasy.  It is quite
a job to clean the windshield afterwards.

Does the Lexol product evaporate and deposit on the windshield too?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:50:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Eckhoff <rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: HUD Display

I might or might not sell a kit(not much of a help is
it?)  The HUD i was planning to make was going to be
for night vision and the computer I was planning and
putting in.  Not Speedo and Tach.  Many people think
the only HUD is for Speed and etc.  If you want this
kits are sold on the internet for this
http://www.nscs.co.jp/NS/products.htm
The Cadillac Deville has a nightvision and gps hud. 
This is what i was planning to make.  I found a way to
display a 9 inch screen as a hud.  There is a film
that HUD sellers use that has to be placed on the
windshield.  As I bet you can see this film on your
pontiac windshield.  All I have got to do is get a 9
inch, Television or Laptop screen in my dash to point
up at the film and all will work well.
--- "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Will you be selling these heads up displays? I have
> one for my current car
> (a 1985 Pontiac Fiero GT) but within the next 6
> months or so, I'm hoping to
> be the proud owner of a new Delorean. If so, I'd
> like to get one of these
> HUDs from you. 



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:59:04 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Don't cut the dash..cut the radio?

Ok...So I have a little over an hour commute every day, and it allows me TOO
much time to think.

I want to remove the original DMC radio and replace it with a
tuner/cassette/cd changer that used to be in my wife's old car about a year
and a half ago before it got totaled in an accident (her new car had a nice
radio, so I never installed it).  I do not want to modify my dashboard, so I
figured...WHY NOT MODIFY THE RADIO!

It has a detachable face plate, and only the connector socket and display
are on the radio.  I removed them (one piece) to see what was behind them,
and low and behold...NOTHING!  They are attached via a series of 20 solder
points.

This is my thought......

-extend the connections of the display and connector socket with a ribbon
cable.
-remove the cover plate and mount it, the display and connector socket on
the OUTSIDE of the DMC Dash, with ribbon cable wires going into the existing
dashboard holes to the other end of the actual radio on the inside of the
dash
-Mount the radio inside the dash, and align the cover plate with the rest of
the unit.  Find some nice way to keep it all lined up, and....WAHLA!  Snap
in the removable face plate and you are ready to go!

This is just an idea, but I will take digital pictures and let you know how
my research works out!  Can't do too much more right now until I get the car
back from PJ Grady later next week some time.




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:17 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: 11596 at Toppers Car Show, ND

Hey all,

This message is mostly for anyone who lives in the ND-MN-SD area.  My 82 
DeLorean, VIN#11596 will be shown at the 43rd Annual Toppers Car Show.  i 
know there are at least three non-owners in the area who are on this list who 
would be interested in checking the show out.  this will be the first 
DeLorean ever to be in this car show, and i am expecting great results!  the 
show has a $5 entrance fee, i believe, and all proceeds are donanted to 
charities.  there will be quite a few prizes given out to the best cars, and 
i hope i can be one of them!

date/place :  Sat March 31st and Sun April 1st at the Veterans Memorial Arena 
in West Fargo, ND.  all day long on both days.  this is one of the bigger 
shows in the area - over 300 members participate. there are all types of cars 
from vintage to muscle to modern rarities. should be lots of fun!

for more info, either email me or go to http://www.topperscarclub.com

see ya!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:28:53 -0000
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Renting out a DeLorean - Prices?

>I've had the idea recently of using my D (when I get in into better
>looking shape) as a promotional tool for a local "all 80s" radio
>station.  I use to work for the broadcasting company that owns this
>particular station and I've been thinking about contacting them about
>using the D at "remote" stops, where a radio station goes out to
>a location to draw a crowd, do contests, give bumper stickers, etc.
>
>If any other D owners want to take this idea and run with it (if you
>have such a formatted radio station in your area) I say go for it.
>Remotes usually only last a few hours, you could stand there and
>watch the car to make sure nobody messes with it, you could
>answer questions about it, help promote it, etc.  I think it would
>be really cool (especially if you could get paid for it).  If anyone
>is interesting in doing this, then call your local station and ask
>for their promotions director.
>
>Let me know if anyone likes this idea (or maybe someone has
>already done it?)


I just had this radio station idea the other day myself. Ever since I have 
been on this list I have seen mention of renting the DeLorean out for 
events. I have done a few, mostly fundraisers and charities. My biggest 
question is, how much do you guys charge? Sorry if its too personal, but I 
was just kind of curious. If you prefer you can respond to me directly at  
DMC5524(at)hotmail.com  . Thanks.


Matthew David

Vin 5524
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:27:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Delorean Owners Manual

What is an original Delorean owners manual worth, with
the business reply mail cards still intact to register
the car?

some guy is trying to sell me one, and I dont have
mine for my car so I was considering it, but I dont
wanna take it in the rear.

Thanks,
Mike
vin 855


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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:42:13 -0500
From: "Ed Garbade" <garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Trouble Shifting into Reverse and acceleration

Latest update:

Got my D's front end aligned and tires balanced this past Saturday.  It
drove a lot better but the steering started making this kind of humming
vibration (could hear and feel but mostly feel) when you turned more then
just a little bit.  It reminded me of an old Dodge Dart I had when the power
steering fluid was low (the pumped hummed loudly and caused the steering to
vibrate but guess I don't have to worry about power steering fluid on this
car).

Drove it to work this morning and no problems.  Got in it this evening to
come home and I don't know what the heck happened but it all went south.
First the clutch resistance (to depress) had chainged significantly.  About
1/2 of the travel didn't seem to do anything.  It was also jammed into gear
and really didn't want to come out.  There was actually a spring type
tension forcing the lever forward.  When I finally did get it in gear, the
clutch never disengaged the drive train (ie. it would still move as in gear
but it would slip some).

Finally managed to get it into reverse to back out of my parking space.  Got
it into (as near as I can tell) 3rd and limped to a meeting I had.  From
there I called a tow truck  Really sad to see her carted off.

Plans for now is to give the shop who has her DMCJoe's number and see if we
can get her fixed.  Any thoughts (and of course wishes for luck) would be
greatly welcomed by this newcomer (starting week 2 of ownership).

One last item, would like to put a cruise control on her.  Anyone done this
before?  Can you recommend a good product?

Thanks for listening to a long-winded newbie.

Ed Garbade
VIN 10541
garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com



----- Original Message -----

From: "Ed Garbade" <garbadee_at_dml_bigfoot.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:56 AM
Subject: [DML] Trouble Shifting into Reverse and acceleration


> Well, I'm a brand new owner (as of 3/11/01).  My immediate concern is I am
> having a great deal of difficulty getting my 5 speed into reverse.  I know
> it says lift on stick to put in reverse, but that doesen't seem to make
any
> difference.
>
> Another issue is acceleration.  There seems to be a point at which the
drive
> train "shifts" into a performance mode.  I can't seem to relate this to
any
> specific gear and/or RPM range. Basically the car performs a little
> hesitantly at lower RPM then at some seemingly random transition point
there
> seems to be a great deal more power.  Is this normal?
>
> As a side bar, the shipping company decided I no longer needed either the
> upper or lower engine covers (upper (louvers) is gone, lower has major
> damage).  If anyone has these parts available (hinges included) let me
know
> price.  Would neet to ship to Charleston, SC area.
>
> Glad to be part of "D" Family.
>
> Ed
> VIN 10541
>
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:00:35 -0500
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Daily drivers?




Ryan;

I drive mine in the area of 15 to 20,000 a year, and like any other car, if you keep up with regular maintenance, and have all the updates done, you shouldn't have any more trouble out of it than you would with any normal car.   If anything, you'll probably have less.

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:09:38 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Fuel sending unit

Well tonight I finally took my fuel sending unit apart, thanks to 
James for the pics and instructions. I am happy to say I have a fully 
functional unit once again. Most of the wires and parts in it seem to 
be gold plated? Mine broke from the result of a week solder joint. 
Cost to fix...$.00. I am going to be posting pics and instructions on 
my website sometime this week in case anyone else is interested in 
doing the same.

Steve 





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