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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 467
Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:09 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

2. Re: still problems getting car to run right
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Door light Hidden Switch
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

6. Re: Red Delorean
From: brian_roy_at_dml_excite.com

7. Lexol and Vinylex
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

8. Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute
From: vsaini_at_dml_ufl.edu

9. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

10. Bosch Service Index-Andy in Fargo
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

11. Newbie Kit
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

12. Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

13. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

14. John DeLorean reference & old Video
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

15. Re: Don't cut the dash..cut the radio?
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

16. Re: Renting out a DeLorean - Prices?
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

17. Re: DeLoreans in video games
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

18. Re: Door light Hidden Switch
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

19. North Carolina, parts needed
From: "mdrig" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>

20. Re: still problems getting car to run right
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

21. Compatible Fascia Paint Code?
From: fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net

22. trade black for Grey grab handle
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

24. Parts for sale
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

25. rear wing
From: stephen.liggett_at_dml_uc.edu





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:31:17 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 Soma576_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> 5. now here's the worst - i've noticed a sound coming from the left
> front wheel now.  it doesn't change or go away depending on brakes.  

This one I know, it's most likely your wheel bearing.  If you want to do
it yourself, wheel bearings are not amazingly difficult to do.  It's a
good time to perform any needed brake maintenance as well.




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:35:45 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: still problems getting car to run right

Andy, If you don't have a work shop manual, I will fax you a copy of 
the D:01:06, + others to check out the Primary pressure circuit.I'm 
not a pro on this like others but just thought I would offer if you 
don't have the pages.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com


- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote::
> Hello All,
> 
> many thanks to everyone who is helping me along!  i think i'm 
getting closer, 
> but there are still some brick walls.
> 
> here is the scoop:
> the car will start and run, but it runs like CRAP!  i mean it is 
studdering, 
> shaking, completely sick sounding.  if you touch the accelerator it 
gets 
> worse.
> 



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:43:16 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

Andy, What Dave is saying is true about the alternator. If B+ shorts 
to ground then all kinds of things can happen. But: If all was 
working well before, then maby it's something simple. Except they are 
all coming at one time. Here's my 2cents.
#1. Assumming the flasher unit is ok, then make sure the wires are 
plugged into the socket ok and when the unit is inserted into the 
socket it isn't pushing the wire/connector out or just part way to 
create a intermit. 
#2.Door lights could be as simple as cleaning the sockets and the 
base of the bulb to make better contact.That's what i did to mine 
after 20 years of neglect.
#3.The fan speed switch energizes the coils to the 3rd and 4th speed 
of the fan relays, which did you have on and for how long. If it was 
3rd or 4th speed then the relay may have stuck. If it was 1st or 2nd 
speed then the AC Mode switch should have cut the power to 1st and 
2nd speed, then they would go off. Have you updated the relays.
#4.You said you can fix and maby a door switch.
#5.Maby there is something in the tire. But you would have heard it 
by now. A little out of my area.
#6. Have a good night sleep and Barbecue the Elephant tomorrow. One 
Piece at a time. It's the only way. Think of the positive, after you 
have fixed all these things you can tell us what to do or not to do 
when we encounter all these things.
John hervey
www.specialTauto.com
If you need to talk about it, you can call the 800#.      






--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> the news just keeps getting worse it seems! 
> tonight, everywhere i turned, something new wasn't working right.  
and i'm 
> not just talking about my crappy running, either.  totally 
unrelated stuff.
> 
> 1.  turn signals decided to begin working intermittently.  
sometimes they 
> work, sometimes they don't.  it's not a question of one side not 
working, 
> it's both, all the way around the car, and the interior flashes and 
the 
> clicks.  i suspect a bad wire.  i was moving stuff around in the 
electrical 
> compartment while trying to diagnose and they magically worked 
again.  i 
> don't know what i did, but i looked up and they were flashing.  now 
they 
> don't work again!
> 
> 2.  driver's side door lights are intermittent. something to do 
with the 
> wiring that goes to the switches. i can figure that out myself
> 
> 3.  i went to go put air in my tires and i had my heater and fan 
on.  i 
> turned the car off and took the keys out and guess what - the fan 
and AC kept 
> on going!!!!!  what the _at_dml_#$% ??!?!?!  i put the key back in and 
took it out 
> again - still kept on going.  i turned the AC mode switch to off, 
but the fan 
> was still going. so i switched the fan off and then everything 
turned off.  i 
> have no clue where to start on this one.
> 
> 4.  burned out driver's side marker light.  annoying, but easy to 
remedy.  
> also can't seem to get the 'door ajar' light to turn off tonight.
> 
> 5. now here's the worst - i've noticed a sound coming from the left 
front 
> wheel now.  it doesn't change or go away depending on brakes.  it 
is a free 
> rolling problem.  it kind of clicks, sounding like two big wooden 
marbles 
> clacking, only a little duller.  it varies with the car's speed but 
not 
> engine speed (obviously). FYI, i don't have a speedo cap or angle 
drive wire 
> on the wheel because they are going to be replaced. i haven't even 
had time 
> to look into this one.  too many problems are cropping up on me all 
of a 
> sudden...
> 
> as for my car not running right - i just paid $275 for pretty much 
nothing.  
> all they did was fix my fuel leak, put a new fuel filter on, and 
tell me - ' 
> yup!  your car sure is sweet but we can't get it to run right 
either! '.  how 
> encouraging.
> 
> geez - the way that everything has jumped my back like this is 
actually 
> making me rethink if i am even able to own a car like this.  anyone 
else ever 
> feel like that?  i mean, i love this car and i would be incredibly 
> heartbroken and depressed to have to sell it ever, but this last 
week has 
> been enough disappointments to make me wonder if it's ever going to 
be what 
> it should be.  only a week ago i had every electrical problem 
sorted out, 
> just a small checklist of parts to buy to make everything PERFECT, 
and now 
> all this.  *sigh*.  well at least i have the car show i'm going to 
be in. 
> fortunately judges only know about the looks of the car - not all 
the 
> mechanical and electrical flaws.  i could really use the ego boost 
about now!
> 
> as always - the DML keeps me going.
> Andy
> 
> Soma576_at_dml_a...
> 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
> Fargo, ND 58102
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:06:22 -0000
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Door light Hidden Switch

Tom, You can cut the power off of #12 fuse purple wire however you 
please and this will disable the lights. DMCJoe's box just makes it 
more cleaner.
John hervey
www.specialtauto.com
 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> There was a post recently about installing a switch for the door 
lights
> that will allow you to turn off the door lights while you are at a 
car
> show.  



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:26:59 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center

Andy,
Try and find a Bosch Authorized Service center.
I do not have a listing for ND, but in SD there are two listed in the 1997
guide.

Import Service, Rapid City
605.342.3003

Classic Import Repair, Sioux Falls
605.335.1905

Car Dealerships for Volvo, Porsche and other cars that use the Bosch
KJet-tronic system should have the proper gauges and dwell meters to check
and adjust the system.

If you have not already done so, purchase the Service manuals.  There are
two different ones out there and they both have good useful information.
The manuals should be available from your favorite DeLorean parts and
service vendor.


Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031

-----Original Message-----
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] *sigh*... today is one of those days


Hey all,

the news just keeps getting worse it seems!
tonight, everywhere i turned, something new wasn't working right.  and i'm
not just talking about my crappy running, either.  totally unrelated stuff.

SNIP

as for my car not running right - i just paid $275 for pretty much nothing.
all they did was fix my fuel leak, put a new fuel filter on, and tell me - '
yup!  your car sure is sweet but we can't get it to run right either! '.
how
encouraging.

SNIP

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102






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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:39:39 -0800 (PST)
From: brian_roy_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: Re: Red Delorean

I also saw this one....  I sent it to a Police officer so he could check it
out.    I SERIOUSLY  think that this is a scam.

Look at the spelling on the website.  Why doesn't this organization have
there own website?  why are they using a webtv hosting service?

Just my opinion   But please be careful.

Brian
#4150

>  DML:
>  
>  Earlier tonight my husband was still looking for the
>  'perfect' new baby to buy for me.  He has been
>  comparing all kinds of Deloreans to see which one he
>  would like to buy.
>  
>  Anyway, in his search tonight he found a red one up at
>  an auction.  The advertisement was put out on 3/2/01
>  and they are raffling off a Delorean, Lambo Kit, and a
>  Viper for 10$ a ticket.  Supposed to help support
>  research in substance abuse somewhere in PA.
>  
>  
>  I will ask him for more info.
>  DQauto
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:35:26 -0600
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Lexol and Vinylex

>Subject: RE: [DML] What do you use to clean and protect your interior?
>
>Is vinylex silicone based?
>
>Does the Lexol product evaporate and deposit on the windshield too?



Yes, it does contain silicones, but not in the same way that Armor-All
does. Their web site at http://www.lexol.com/ has full details.

My personal experience with the product over the past couple of years, on
numerous cars, is that it seems to do an excellent job at cleaning and
protecting the vinyl surfaces in the car. It does not leave a greasy or
shiny finish after application, and I haven't noticed deposits on the
windsheild as I have with Armor-All and other products. I've also tried
other products like the Mequires Vinyl cleaner, but so far I have always
come back to Vinylex.

Mark N
VIN 6820



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:21:20 -0000
From: vsaini_at_dml_ufl.edu
Subject: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute

It seems to me that everyone here is overlooking something.  Why 
upgrade the engine.. it seems that everyone who has been vocal has 
forgotten one key factor BOOST!.. we all know that this engine is 
capable of a Force Induction ugrade.. aka the Legand Turbo Setup.. 
bam there you go.. looking at this from an Import Tuner perspective.. 
its great.. ( I drive a Twin Turbo Z) you need to free up the exhaust 
system.. gut the cats and the pre-cats.. increase the piping to like 
2.5 or 3 inches.. install a high flow intake ( k/n cone 
filtercharger).. then start worrying about boosting.. you could 
install some boost jets (contact welding tips) or just get a bigger 
turbo.. or install ceramic bearings etc.. there is a host of 
possiblities there.. then get a boost controller to jack up the 
boost.. couple that with an Air/Fuel Controller and well you have 
an .. excuse my french " a Raped Ape "... this car will be freakin 
awesome.. as long as we can upgrade the clutch .. heehe

what do ya think.. we could also place the intercooler in a way for a 
bigger ram-air effect.. woohoo.. this sucker would be FAAAST and 
EFFIECENT!

Vik Saini





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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:47:52 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

With all of the problems you are having it leads me to suspect that at 
some time in this car's history it got flooded. The wheel bearings got 
wet and washed out the lubrication and all of the ground connections 
are rusty and need to be taken apart and cleaned. If you have 1 bad 
wheel bearing it is usually a good idea to replace both front 
bearings. Check the fluids in the trans and final unit, brake and 
clutch fluids, CV boots for cuts steering rack boots, the frame for 
general rust.Lubricate the parking brake cables and speedo cable, and 
grease the rod ends. Expect further problems.:(
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> the news just keeps getting worse it seems! 
> tonight, everywhere i turned, something new wasn't working right.  
and i'm 
> not just talking about my crappy running, either.  totally unrelated 
stuff.
> 
portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:54:41 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Bosch Service Index-Andy in Fargo

Below is a link to the Bosch Service Center index.

http://www.boschservice.com/index.html

I used one of the service centers to fine tune my fuel injection system
before I drove from Mobile to Los Angeles a few years ago.  The service tech
had all of the correct instruments and gauges.  I only needed to show him
where the ECU, Accumulator and filter was located.

If I lived close to one of the DMC service centers I would have had them
adjust the F.I.  Living in a remote location, such as Mobile or Fargo, I
have had to learn about the car and its various systems so I could perform
the service work myself.  Also, I have found that the DMC vendors are always
helpful in diagnosing the problems.  As one of the list members suggested
earlier, BBQ the elephant one piece at a time, repair one problem at a time
and you will not end up overwhelmed.

Another cause for rough running is water in the spark plug wells.  Make sure
that the wells are clean and dry.  The plug wires are supposed to have boots
on them to seal around the plug wells.  Put a little tune up grease on the
boots before installation.  It will seal better and make it easier to remove
later on.

Make sure that the hole in the intake manifold, to access the adjustment
screw, is plugged.  It is located right next to the fuel distributor at the
6 o'clock position (towards the rear of the car). Sometimes a threaded plug
is used or a rubber plug with a wire handle.  This could be a source of a
vacuum leak that is over looked by many.

If your interior lights will not turn off when you close the door, make sure
that the door switches are being fully depressed when the door is closed.
There should be a rubber tip or a short piece of hose fitted over the end of
the switch so the door will fully depress it when closed.  Also, be sure
that the light are rocked to the position that is controlled by the door
switch.

Find and clean/tighten all of the grounds in the system.  They are listed in
the service manuals.  All kinds of problems in the electrical system can be
caused by weak ground connections.  Pull each fuse and relay one at a time
to make sure you have good clean tight connections.  Check the tail light
boards and make sure that the connectors are clean and tight.  The tail
light boards are notorious for intermittent failure.  There are new tail
light boards out there for sale or you can clean and tighten the
connections.

When my car was recommissioned after ten years of storage, I disconnected
every electrical connection I could find and cleaned them.  Do them one at a
time so you do not mix them up.

The marble sound from the left front wheel may be the wheel bearings.





Scott Mueller
DMCNEWS 002981
DOA 5031




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:17:15 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Newbie Kit

I think it's time for some enterprising vendor to come up with a basic
newbie kit.  Why all of the same questions over and over when they could
be printed out and enclosed with perhaps some Lexol, and a list of
what's leather and what's vinyl.  No one in my town has Lexol and if I
have to order it I'd like to support the vendors who support us.  Also,
a Posidrive screwdriver, none in my town ever heard of it.  And how
about a rendering of how to fix those intermittent tail lights, the nut
and bolt theory, the soldering theory and the new board availability.
Everybody has tail light problems, why not alert up front.  Plus add
some of your own, or make it a welcome aboard kit, whatever, but more
and more new people are coming on board or preparing to, let's lend a
hand the easy way.

I'm thinking some of those multi-hundred dollar replacement parts may
include a tiny markup and it might be possible for one of the major
vendors to do a welcome wagon bit with a newbie kit.

As of Saturday I'll be one of the old timers, two months old, and I've
benefited handsomely from the list, I have to believe that no one of us
knows it all, but in total, we come pretty close.

Thanks to all who responded to my many questions, I'll do my part as
well as my perceived wisdom allows.

Les




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:18:44 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute

Legend was more than just some turbos slapped on to a stock DMC motor.  Just
about EVERYTHING was changed except for the block itself (so I was told by a
former Legend employee).  There is just no way you can get 300HP out of
components that were designed for under 200HP.

It has been accepted by all of the vendors who sell or install Turbos for the
DMC that 6PSI is the most you can get without breaking things in the engine. 
The estimated HP is around 190 with the turbos _at_dml_ 6PSI.  Considering that the DOC
members get 170HP just by reworking the exhaust, Turbos are a big headache (and
expense) for 20 more HP!

BTW, I have turbos on my DMC and love it....  But that does not mean there are
no better solutions!

Marc


vsaini_at_dml_ufl.edu wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that everyone here is overlooking something.  Why
> upgrade the engine.. it seems that everyone who has been vocal has
> forgotten one key factor BOOST!.. we all know that this engine is
> capable of a Force Induction ugrade.. aka the Legand Turbo Setup..
> bam there you go.. looking at this from an Import Tuner perspective..
<SNIP>



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:35:34 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

Check all your ground connections! Make sure you have good clean 
ground connections going from the battery to the frame...the frame in 
the engine compartment to the ground post AND most importantly the 
ground strap on the left (passenger side) engine mount is still going 
from the engine mount stud to the engine mount bolt on the frame. If 
you have any bad grounds your car (any car) is going to act funky. 
When I worked on a Lincoln (rebuilt the engine) I accidently forgot 
to attach the ground strap going to the engine block and this engine 
Ran ROUGH...like crap. After cleaning the connection and connecting 
it....ran like a champ. It's a long shot but worth it. Probably the 
sorce of your other electrical problems too.

Steve

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> the news just keeps getting worse it seems! 
> tonight, everywhere i turned, something new wasn't working right.  
and i'm 
> not just talking about my crappy running, either.  totally 
unrelated stuff.
> 



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:44:29 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: John DeLorean reference & old Video


DML,

    The 1985 interview with Oprah and John DeLorean is a rare find.
Does anyone have a copy of this?    

In addition, the TV program NightLine had a series on DeLorean back in 1982. 
These are rare too. 
Anyone have video from the early days, the arrest, trial, etc.?

Below is a story from the ABC NEWS web page.

 
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/business/dailynews/delorean0305/index.html

Managed Defunct Car Company 
DeLoreanís Accountants Must Pay Millions 


Jurors found the accountants signed off on DeLoreanís financial statements 
despite evidence of possible fraud. 



N E W   Y O R K,   March 6 ó The accounting firm Arthur Andersen will have to 
pay up to $110 million to John DeLorean's creditors after a jury ruled the 
accountants should have known of his car company's shaky deals. 
     DeLorean's car manufacturing enterprise went bankrupt 16 years ago, 
leaving a trail of unpaid bills. 
     After less than three hours of deliberations, the state jury recommended 
today that the accountants pay $46.2 million, plus up to $65 million in 
interest. 
     Jurors found the accountants signed off on DeLorean's financial 
statements despite evidence of possible fraud. 

No Fraud Conviction 
DeLorean was never convicted of fraud, but has been ordered to pay investors 
and creditors about $9 million. The plaintiffs argued that he was siphoning 
away millions of dollars through a fictional Panamanian company. 
     Robert C. Hubbell, a spokesman for Arthur Andersen, said the firm will 
appeal. Hubbell said the accounting firm already has paid $35 million to the 
British government, the largest investor in the DeLorean Motor Co. That 
should reduce the settlement, he said. 
     A judge will decide how much interest the accountants must pay. 
     Michael D. Hess, the lawyer for the plaintiffs, said Arthur Andersen 
kept issuing opinions favorable to the carmaker "because that is what John 
DeLorean wanted." 

 
Was DeLorean involved in Fraud?



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:00:17 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Don't cut the dash..cut the radio?

You obviously do too much thinking.  (smile)  Save yourself all the
re-engineering and buy an 'aftermarket' dash plate with a DIN hole already
cut in it to fit your new radio.  If and when you want to convert your car
back to original, just change out the DIN bracket for the original two-post
OEM bracket.  The source for the DIN bracket is Mid-State Delorean's site at
http://midstatedmc.com

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:16 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Renting out a DeLorean - Prices?

I have a tall tale for you.  The dealer I bought my DeLorean from last year
told me a photographer wanted to rent the car for one day to do a photo
shoot for a BTTF party in Miami.  Since he wasn't in the car rental business
and didn't want to have to set up getting the right kind of insurance to
rent a car, he refused.  The photographer finally offered $1000.  The dealer
gave in at this price under the agreement that the car was not to be driven
anywhere.  It had to be towed on a flat bed everywhere it went.

I suppose this story is true since I don't see why a dealer would make this
up.  It may have been profitable for the dealer, but considering that a
front tow hook on my frame is pulled loose on one side and both of my front
lower control arms are damaged by some idiot tow truck operator....  I can't
say if this incident is what caused the damage.  Maybe it is from a previous
incident.

Being into photography myself and seeing what other photographers do to
mutilate things to make the perfect picture, I would never leave my car in
someone else's care.  For example, did you know that hair spray can be very
useful for dulling shinny chrome?  Do you know what it can do to paint?
Have you ever seen a photographer paint a car with it to tone down the
glare?  Don't let something stupid like this happen to your car.

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:36:36 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans in video games

You wrote;

> Since DeLoreans have been featured in many games already, such as Midtown Madness, Need for
> Speed 3 & 4, South Park Rally, Interstate 82, Carmageddon 2... I was wondering where i
> could find pictures or screenshots of DeLoreans from South Park Rally or Carmageddon 2. I
> am working on my own DeLorean site, and trying to find some screenshots from SPR or C2 but
> had no luck. If you come across any pics, please notify me. Thanks in advance...

If you put in a link to my website <http://www.deloreanfiles.nl>, 
you are free to use the pics I made and are up on <http://www.vdwouw.demon.nl/degoryun/>.
Those pictures have been in the Magazine made by the DeLorean Owners Club of
Ohio and 
were made by me because of the question for pitures showing up a couple of times
in the past...

Since the actual copyright to the car/game lies with Stainless Software (great
name in this context!) I wouldn't really mind if you used them, a link to my
site (still under construction) would be nice; I DID make the effort of getting
them available...

Thanks,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:45:14 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Door light Hidden Switch

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
We have exhausted the available solutions for turning
off door lights.  Please consider this thread closed.


Tom Watkins wrote:

> There was a post recently about installing a switch for the door lights
> that will allow you to turn off the door lights while you are at a car show.
[snip]
> QUESTION:  I bought 2 small toggle type switches, Should I install one
> switch (and hide it underneath the dash) for each door OR can I wire
> both door lights power to one switch and only have the one cut off?  I
> wasn't sure if the door lights were connected farther back.  I'm not
> sure of the implications if I wire the power to the one switch and then
> feed that off to each door plunger.

Just pull the #12 fuse or buy a BatterySaver from DMC Joe,
this also disconnects the lights in the engine compartment, glovebox,
domelights and the trunk. The Batterysaver is plug-and-play...

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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PS. I wired up a switch and in-line fuseholder myself so it plugs into the 
fusebox; works like a charm, only downside is that I get a "phantom-light"
on the dash when I forget to put it on when driving AND I get false triggers
on my alarmsystem. That last one is being worked out at the moment...





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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:08:05 -0500
From: "mdrig" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: North Carolina, parts needed

Anyone have used parts close to Greensboro?





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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:15:08 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: still problems getting car to run right

In a message dated 3/20/01 6:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Soma576_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:

<< many thanks to everyone who is helping me along!  i think i'm getting 
closer, 
 but there are still some brick walls. >>

Hang in there!  The good thing about problems like this is that once you 
replace the defective part, or correct the incorrect adjustment, you aren't 
likely to need to keep going back and doing it over.  Plus you'll learn a lot 
about your car, and increase your driving pleasure. 

Wayne
vin 1174



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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:55:34 -0000
From: fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net
Subject: Compatible Fascia Paint Code?

Hi List,

I need to paint the Fascia's on my D. Does someone who has repainted 
them recently, have a paint code that closest matches the original 
color?

Thanks for your help,
Fernando Dillard




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:04:16 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: trade black for Grey grab handle

Hello List,
    I need a grey passenger side door grab handle for my DeLorean.  I would 
prefer that it is perfect or near perfect condition.  I have an extra 
passenger side black grab handle that is in perfect condition I would trade 
for one.  If anyone on the list would like to trade please email me 
privately.  I will pay for all shipping charges and pay a few bucks for the 
hassle.

Thanks
Delorean17(at)aol.com

David
#6297



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:08:24 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

I like your analogy of cooking the elephant. While it is true that big 
problems can be reduced to a bunch of little problems sometimes you 
need to step back and look at the "big" picture. You can't kill the 
elephant a little at a time or cut off a piece at a time. You must 
attack (kill) the BIG problem. It is always helpful to know the 
history of a car but in some cases we can infer from symptoms some of 
the major events. If the car was indeed in deep water an experienced 
eye could see that and if it was then you could reasonably anticipate 
the troubles that will occur and what to do. Attacking them one by one 
will disappoint you when they arise and shake your confidence in the 
car. Better to "bite the bullet" and go through the whole cure then to 
repeatedly have the car leave you stranded or have recurring 
intermittant problems. Going after the symptoms and not delving into 
the root cause will have you chasing the problems instead of getting 
ahead of them and fixing the car once and for all. This is one of the 
differences between a guy who fixes cars for a hobby and someone who 
is knowledgeable about cars and has years of experience. When you go 
to the garage for repairs although you think they are talking you into 
a bigger job then you need they are really offering to fix the WHOLE 
problem not just the symptoms. Most shops will want to repair a 
problem right the first time because even if the owner thinks he was 
overcharged he is happier than the customer who in spite of paying has 
to keep bringing the car back again and again. If you lose the 
alternater ground you also lose the B+ reference (ground) so it can no 
longer figure out what the output voltage is even though it can still 
read B+.( one of the drawbacks of having the regulater in the 
alternater)
Just my 2 cents worth.
david Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., dherv10_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Andy, What Dave is saying is true about the alternator. If B+ shorts 
> to ground then all kinds of things can happen. But: If all was 
> working well before, then maby it's something simple. Except they 
are 
> all coming at one time. Here's my 2cents.
> #1. Assumming the flasher unit is ok, then make sure the wires are 
> plugged into the socket ok and when the unit is inserted into the 
> socket it isn't pushing the wire/connector out or just part way to 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:18:44 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Parts for sale

Hi List,
    I recently bought a small stash of used parts.  I have listed the items 
on the DMC-news parts for sale section.  please check it out.  no set prices, 
email me with your offer and we can try to work something out.

http://www.dmcnews.com/deptofcmrce/_forsale/00000064.htm


Thanks
David



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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:19:43 -0000
From: stephen.liggett_at_dml_uc.edu
Subject: rear wing

Group,

Does anyone know of a rear wing that is for sale?
I saw some at the Cleveland Show and some looked quite good.
They are obviosly aftermarket, but I haven't located a vender. 
Besides, I would prefer the prices of used ones.

steve





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