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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 469
Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 8:53 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. the gallerias
From: daren57_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk

5. Antenna Repair
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

6. Re: John DeLorean reference & old Video
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

7. Thermo Time Switch
From: "Rob van der Veer" <rob.van.der.veer_at_dml_delorean-europe.com>

8. Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

9. RE: Antenna Repair
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

10. Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute
From: Dick & Leslie Ryan <raddad_at_dml_cmn.net>

11. Re: rear wing
From: Dick & Leslie Ryan <raddad_at_dml_cmn.net>

12. Re: RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. will probably need to clean entire fuel system!
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. strange pinball game sounds? headlight related?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Hissing sound, radio removal, center console removal
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

16. what would a bad fuel accumulator do?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

17. front air dam
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

18. Rear bearing replacement
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

19. Re: Compatible Fascia Paint Code?
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

20. Re: North Carolina, parts needed
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

21. Re: Hissing sound, radio removal, center console removal
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

22. Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

23. Re: Thermo Time Switch
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

24. Garden Grove, CA Delorean For Sale???
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net

25. Re: Door light Hidden Switch
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:33:49
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center




>From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center
>Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:26:59 -0600
>
>Andy,
>Try and find a Bosch Authorized Service center.
>I do not have a listing for ND, but in SD there are two listed in the 1997
>guide.
>
>Import Service, Rapid City
>605.342.3003
>
>Classic Import Repair, Sioux Falls
>605.335.1905

Hi everyone I just wanted to comment on this particular place, since I live 
in the area. Since this was the only other place that could service 
saabs,(Besides the saab dealership) my father had our saabs there many 
times. So when one of the head gaskets blew, he had them replace it. They 
did it, and it leaked about a week later. I'm not putting this place down, 
but if they can't do something like that, what chance do they have with a 
engine like the delorean's? Well, now that I think about it, since the 
engine is volvo-ish, they would know a little.
But you make the call.
John

P.S. If your gonna give these guys a try, drop me a line, I would love to 
see a delorean.
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>Car Dealerships for Volvo, Porsche and other cars that use the Bosch
>KJet-tronic system should have the proper gauges and dwell meters to check
>and adjust the system.
>
>If you have not already done so, purchase the Service manuals.  There are
>two different ones out there and they both have good useful information.
>The manuals should be available from your favorite DeLorean parts and
>service vendor.
>
>
>Scott Mueller
>DMCNEWS 002981
>DOA 5031
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Soma576_at_dml_aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:37 PM
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [DML] *sigh*... today is one of those days
>
>
>Hey all,
>
>the news just keeps getting worse it seems!
>tonight, everywhere i turned, something new wasn't working right.  and i'm
>not just talking about my crappy running, either.  totally unrelated stuff.
>
>SNIP
>
>as for my car not running right - i just paid $275 for pretty much nothing.
>all they did was fix my fuel leak, put a new fuel filter on, and tell me - 
>'
>yup!  your car sure is sweet but we can't get it to run right either! '.
>how
>encouraging.
>
>SNIP
>
>Andy
>
>Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
>1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
>Fargo, ND 58102
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:54:39 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute


DML,

    I believe that Rob Grady is offering performance upgrades for the 
DeLorean it terms of exhaust and engine work.
    
Sincerely,
Mike Pack



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:31:57 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

In a message dated 3/21/01 9:11:20 PM Central Standard Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:


> If the car was indeed in deep water an experienced 
> eye could see that and if it was then you could reasonably anticipate 
> 

Hello David,

this is an interesting side to my problems.  i do not know if you are right 
or wrong.  i checked the title history on this car and there were no problems 
reported.  the car is in great shape as far as appearance.  the underbody 
coating is still in good shape and while i haven't done any major 
investigation with frame rust, i have yet to come across any.  also, the car 
performed perfectly for at LEAST a year.  just recently it's began to give me 
problems.  do you have any ideas on what to look for on the car to verify the 
possibility of flooding?

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:10:35 -0000
From: daren57_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk
Subject: the gallerias

ive put a few more pictures into the archive and changed the format 
of the site.

www.thegallerias.com

newpics_at_dml_thegallerias.com

feedback

admin_at_dml_thegallerias.com




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:28:59 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Antenna Repair

Does anyone here know what other vehicle(s) the power antenna mounted 
in the rear crosses over to? I know that the model is a Harada RX 20 
for black, and TX 20 for silver. The reason I ask is from what I seen 
on other cars on the internet, there is usually some sort of repair 
kit available. The motor inside still runs strong, but the mast 
refuses to lower. If I push down on the antenna while the radio is 
turned off, I can hear gears hit grind they are trying to catch. 

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:31:25 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: John DeLorean reference & old Video

A trial did take place in Michigan I believe. That trail was for the 
bankruptcy of DMC. Durring this trial was when fraud alligations 
first appeared. The biggest evidence was the "Gold Facets" memo 
written by William Haddad. What isn't commonly noted though is that 
while on the stand Haddad admitted he forged the memo. DMC sunk cash 
into building more cars when they couldn't gain export financing in 
an effort to stay afloat by means of self sufficiency rather then an 
injection of capitol from outside the company (which they were due by 
the British Govt). Offhand there are only 3 items I can think of that 
were not wise investments at the time: The 5th Avenue Apartment, The 
DMC-80, and the Art Collection in the Park Avenue office. While the 
timing wasn't the best to buy Logan Manufacturing, it was good move 
none the less.

Later on, DeLorean's accounting firm tried to say that John DeLorean 
was responsible for the failure of DMC, and that he (JZD) should have 
to pay the creditors. Aurther Anderson lost and was ordered to pay 
damages because they let DMC fail. A.A. was more concerned with 
losing thier cut of DMC's profits by stake holders pulling out/not 
investing rather then the survival of DMC. The court stated that 
A.A.'s primary interest should have been protecing it's investors 
money by way of looking out for their interests. They had enough 
power that they could have stepped in and if not have saved the 
company, they could have kept losses at a minimum when it did fail.

Even if DMC had managed it's capitol better (not just JZD, but the 
company and it's associates as a whole), they would have made cars a 
little longer, but they could not have survived. It was an expanding 
company with a good product that was in demand by consumers. But as 
soon as they turned that first profit the first year in bussiness, 
little things kept popping up to hinder the company any way possible. 
Belfast was the best choice for DMC to build finacialy and 
industrialy, but it was going to be shut down anywhere it went...

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
<SNIP>
> Was DeLorean involved in Fraud?




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:58:32 +0100
From: "Rob van der Veer" <rob.van.der.veer_at_dml_delorean-europe.com>
Subject: Thermo Time Switch

Dear List,

I've been breaking my head on the schematics of the thermo time switch. I've
been reading the workshop manuals..

My question is this: is the connector (from the wiring harnass to the actual
tt-switch) symmetric or does it matter which way it is connected?

I'm in doubt whether it is connected correctly.

Yours,

Rob.
VIN3695




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:58:53 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: *sigh*... today is one of those days

Water damage can range from just driving through a deep puddle to the 
car being parked in a low area and completly submerged for days. Some 
things to look for:
1) Pull up the carpeting and look for mold or mildew sometimes your 
nose will find it even if you can't see it.
2) Lift the car and look for areas where dust should normally collect 
and for signs of stains or watermarks.
3) Look for debris in unusual places like leaves, bits of foam and 
paper.
4) look at the general pattern of rust.
It really takes a little experience looking under cars to see what you 
are looking for and to interpet the signs. If the car was flooded it 
is very likely never reported unless there was an insurance claim. If 
the water was clean and it wasn't in too long problems don't occur 
immediatly anyway. I have also seen on many cars that after sitting in 
storage for extended periods when you take them out after a short time 
all kinds of things start to go wrong. I took a shot in the dark but I 
think not knowing the history of the car it must be considered so you 
can know what to expect.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/21/01 9:11:20 PM Central Standard Time, 
> jtrealty_at_dml_w... writes:
> 
> 
> > If the car was indeed in deep water an experienced 
> > eye could see that and if it was then you could reasonably 
anticipate 
> > 
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> this is an interesting side to my problems.  i do not know if you 
are right 
> or wrong.  i checked the title history on this car and there were no 
problems 
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:43:35 -0500
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Antenna Repair

Robert ask,
Does anyone here know what other vehicle(s) the power antenna mounted
in the rear crosses over to? I know that the model is a Harada RX 20
for black, and TX 20 for silver.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Looked for a solution to this about two years ago and contacted Harada about
it. There is a mast kit available and you can get it in black or silver. The
cost then was $24.00 price included shipping.

The mast part number for the silver is RXM5.

I received mine from U.T.S. Distributors
                     15111 SO Prairie Ave
                     Lawndale, CA 90260

I don't have their phone number, it was not on the invoice, if anyone gets
it, please send it to me.

Thx
Robert Starling
Vin#05252






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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:48:34 -0700
From: Dick & Leslie Ryan <raddad_at_dml_cmn.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute

Marc

I agree with your comments that the Legend set-up was more than the simple addition
of a couple of turbos.  However, I disagree with your comments about 6 lbs of boost
being all the engine can take.

I know of one D that has run 10.5 lbs for several years.  I personally ran 7.5 lbs.
for years.    Remember, the vendor wants to be sure he/she is not in any way liable
for engine destruction if one puts too much boost into the engine without proper
strengthening modifications.  Suggesting 6lbs.is a safe number for moderately
increased performance without affecting engine life.

This is a strong engine.  It should be able to take up to 1 bar of boost without
MAJOR modifications.  There are forged pistons available.  There are "total seal"
rings available (even forged for high performance applications).  With those two
internal modifications and with less restrictive exhaust and intake systems, the
engine can produce enough hp to be quite a machine.  However, then we must look to
the transmission, clutch and other things.


Also, I keep hearing about 170 hp by "simply reworking the exhaust", but I still
have my doubts.  I believer that there was also some tweaking of the fuel delivery
system when that hp was acheived.

Having owned two D's with twin turbos, I've aften been tempted to play further with
the set-up, but $$$ alwasysseem to creep into the discussion.  I'm not an expert,
but I have looked at various possibilites and I am convinced that one can exceed
200hp RELATIVELY easily (though not inexpensively) and that the guts of the engine
can take it.

My 2

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867






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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:55:15 -0700
From: Dick & Leslie Ryan <raddad_at_dml_cmn.net>
Subject: Re: rear wing

Contact Don Steger at DeLorean Motor Center.  He took one off my car years
ago and may still have it.  He can also tell you what GM car (Pontiac) it
comes from and what year.  You may find one in a salvage yard.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
- - - - - - - - - - -
stephen.liggett_at_dml_uc.edu wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone know of a rear wing that is for sale?




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:46:14 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Bosch Authorized Service Center

In a message dated 3/22/01 7:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, 
MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:


> Hi everyone I just wanted to comment on this particular place, since I live 
> in the area. Since this was the only other place that could service 
> saabs,(Besides the saab dealership) my father had our saabs there many 
> times. So when one of the head gaskets blew, he had them replace it. They 
> did it, and it leaked about a week later. I'm not putting this place down, 
> but if they can't do something like that, what chance do they have with a 
> engine like the delorean's? Well, now that I think about it, since the 
> engine is volvo-ish, they would know a little.
> But you make the call.
> 


Hello John,

I called the place and talked to the owner's wife.  i guess the guy who i 
want to get ahold of is a DeLorean owner and he does his own work on it, so 
he probably knows a thing or too about the engine!  i emailed him but have 
not gotten a response yet.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:04:15 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: will probably need to clean entire fuel system!

Hello All,

with all of my recent problems, i've come to a conclusion:

first of all, i'm going to have to come to grips that i will have to be my 
own DeLorean mechanic.  i live in Fargo, ND, thousands of miles from any good 
DeLorean service center.  every place around here either laughs when i ask 
them about the car or tell me they wouldn't be interested in looking at it.  
i just spent $275 labor to get my car to run, even though it's still 
incredibly messed up with a fuel pressure well over 100 psi.  no one around 
here knows enough about the car to accurately fix it.  and so, i will have to 
do it all myself.

first thing is first:  i think we have all run out of ideas on what to look 
for.  there are so many possibilities on why my car is acting like this, that 
it's impossible to diagnose over the telephone, etc.  even DMCJoe is getting 
to the end on this one! and i don't blame him.  and so, i think when college 
gets out in may i will have to get my car up on jackstands and dissemble, 
clean, test, and reassemble my entire fuel system, piece by piece, component 
by component.   i think this is the only thorough way of attacking this 
problem and maybe, just maybe, when i'm done the car will run right again.  
it is probably just a clogged return hose or something got kinked, or 
something is leaking.  who knows.  but doing this cannot hurt it - at least i 
will know my car a lot better when i'm done!

and after the fuel system - it will be the electrical system.  every 
connection, ground, wire, component from front fasica to rear turn signal 
board must be cleaned and checked.  i think that after this is done, i will 
have a lot less problems with intermittent connections, lights not coming on 
when they should, etc.  again - even if it doesn't work i still win - i know 
more about the car than before!

my question is this:  who out there has done what i propose?  dissembly and 
cleaning of the fuel system?  does anyone have any horror stories, tips, 
tricks, etc?

thanks, and any opinions on this are greatly welcomed!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:08:40 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: strange pinball game sounds? headlight related?

Hey all,

a couple days ago while trying to get my high beam lights to turn on, i was 
flipping the turn signal stick back and forth and pressing the headlight 
switch.  i don't remember exactly what i did, but all of a sudden i heard 
this crazy computer-like sound coming from somewhere and now the brights 
refuse to work.  i think they were working when i tried the flasher mode of 
the stick, but when i tried to get them to stay on by pushing forward, they 
wouldn't work.

the sound was sort of like an oscillation - i can't remember if it went up or 
down in pitch. it lasted probably half a second but it was not good sounding 
- like something just totally fried.  i wish i could describe it better but i 
don't even really remember it now.

anyone have any ideas?  in a way i wish i could make it happen again because 
it sounded pretty cool!  how do i know if my high beam module is fried?

thanks,
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:59:39 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: Re: Hissing sound, radio removal, center console removal

Group,
OK so I agree that the mode switch is bad.  The problem is how to get to that puppy.  I have kind of gotten the radio out and it still looks tough to get to.  Any words of wisdom? Should I pull the center console out and fix the digital clock at the same time?

Jim
vin #4149
"ELMO"
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:25:17 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: what would a bad fuel accumulator do?

Hello guys,

as a summary, my symptoms are:
1. hard starting when cold
2. somewhat hard starting when warm, but MUCH easier
3. engine dies sometimes even after being warm
4. RPM's flow from 1000 to 500 when idling.  as it approaches 500 every time, 
the engine nearly quits but it surges back up like it should.
5. extremely high fuel pressure - over 100 psi, probably closer to 130 or 
greater.
6. recently had a fuel line leak near the accumulator. i do not know if it 
was a hose that connects to it or where exactly it was. i had the car towed 
and 'they fixed it'.  i had problems starting the day the leak happened.  it 
could have happened before or after i had trouble.

do these symptoms or problems have a good relation to what happens when you 
have a failed fuel accumulator?  i am still trying to figure all of this out.

thanks as always,
Andy


Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:48:10 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: front air dam

Hey all,

here i am posting again today.  whew!
can anyone tell me how flush the front air dam should be to the body panels? 
mine has about a 1/4 inch gap all the way around that doesn't look quite 
right.  should it be totally flush?  if so, how can i correct this?

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:43:27 -0500
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Rear bearing replacement

Hello All,

 I'm looking for some direction or reference as to the basic steps required
to replace the rear bearings. The workshop manual glosses over the front,
but not rear.  I searched the egroups archives without luck. I haven't
replaced wheel bearings before, but certainly know my way around basic car
repair.   Finally, if I need to buy a torque wrench to do this job, can
someone please specify a basic brand/model?

Many thanks in advance,

-Hank  #1619





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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:54:17 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Compatible Fascia Paint Code?

Fernando,
There is a complete "how to" at
http://personal.picusnet.com/dsontos/painting.html
Dave Sontos
vin 02573
----- Original Message -----
From: <fdillard_at_dml_earthlink.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 6:55 PM
Subject: [DML] Compatible Fascia Paint Code?


> Hi List,
>
> I need to paint the Fascia's on my D. Does someone who has repainted
> them recently, have a paint code that closest matches the original
> color?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Fernando Dillard





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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:56:35 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: North Carolina, parts needed

You need to contact Mr.Miller at delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mdrig" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:08 PM
Subject: [DML] North Carolina, parts needed


> Anyone have used parts close to Greensboro?
> 




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:39:55 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Hissing sound, radio removal, center console removal

AAK! Too much.
I lay on my back in the driver's side floor and was able to pull the old one
out, and hook up the new one without too much trouble.
Too much-- i.e., under an hour with slightly blue air from half-uttered
curses.
Still--- a lot simpler than all that rigamorole.


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From: <mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Hissing sound, radio removal, center console removal


> Group,
> OK so I agree that the mode switch is bad.  The problem is how to get to
that puppy.  I have kind of gotten the radio out and it still looks tough to
get to.  Any words of wisdom? Should I pull the center console out and fix
the digital clock at the same time?
>
> Jim
> vin #4149
> "ELMO"



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:06:27 -0800
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute

Dick

I agree with you on the useable boost numbers.  I have found however that I
needed water injection to avoid fuel problems.  I can get away with the
middle blend for aggressive driving and regular for normal driving with the
water injection.  Without water injection I am committed to premium and
infact still run premium on really hot days if I am going to push it hard.
I run about 11 lbs. on my single turbo and in fact even eliminated the waste
gate.  The system seems to be plumbing restricted to that pressure.  It
seems to me that the intake manifold temperature has a significant effect on
the intake charge as the engine runs much stronger when it is still cool.
As a sanity check I installed  thermocouples on the intake manifold and also
in the internal air stream.  The water injection provided cooling effects
that better approximated cool run conditions in the intake charge. I inject
the water right onto the compressor impeller so as to get maximum
atomization and therefore charge densification and turn it on based on
throttle position.  I tried a pressure switch but found that I did not get
water flowing until it was almost too late to do any good.  The throttle
position gave it a head start to provide cooling before boost built up.  I'm
sure there are significant benefits in water injection as well in reducing
peak combustion temperatures as the water droplets convert to steam.   Do
you or anyone else have any experience with this set up?

Donald L. Ekhoff
#2097


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick & Leslie Ryan" <raddad_at_dml_cmn.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean Engine Upgrades... lets think for a minute


> Marc
>
> I agree with your comments that the Legend set-up was more than the simple
addition
> of a couple of turbos.  However, I disagree with your comments about 6 lbs
of boost
> being all the engine can take.
>
> I know of one D that has run 10.5 lbs for several years.  I personally ran
7.5 lbs.
> for years.    Remember, the vendor wants to be sure he/she is not in any
way liable
> for engine destruction if one puts too much boost into the engine without
proper
> strengthening modifications.  Suggesting 6lbs.is a safe number for
moderately
> increased performance without affecting engine life.
>



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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:36:58 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Thermo Time Switch

YES! It does mater which way the wires are plugged into the thermo 
time switch. When looking at the schematic of the tt switch and the 
cold start valve, you'll see that both are connected together with 2 
wires, and that the tt switch also has a ground connection. Plus the 
cold start circuit is tied into the starter, so this circuit will 
only be active durring engine cranking.

The way the circuit works is like this: The hot wire first connects 
to the cold start valve, and then connects over to the tt switch. 
When the coolant is below a certain temp, there is an armature inside 
the switch witch grounds itself. This ground connection completes the 
circuit for the coldstart vavle to fire. The internal heater inside 
the switch simply grounds itself thru the switch casing. This way if 
your car doesn't crank within a certain amount of time, the arm heats 
up and opens the circuit to stop the cold start valve.

If you had a cold start relay installed, the relay connections would 
have to be modified. The cold start valve would then be grounded thru 
the same connection the relay is grounded thru to complete the 
circuit.

The reason the circuit is set like this is because it is unsafe to 
ground electricity to a fuel line.

So, if you were to swap the 2 wires that go into the tt switch, the 
cold start valve would fire every time your cranked the engine. If 
the valve fires when the engine is warm, it can flood. If there is a 
related issue with the engine keeping it from starting, it can pose a 
possible fire hazard.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Rob van der Veer" <rob.van.der.veer_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I've been breaking my head on the schematics of the thermo time 
switch. I've
> been reading the workshop manuals..
> 
> My question is this: is the connector (from the wiring harnass to 
the actual
> tt-switch) symmetric or does it matter which way it is connected?
> 
> I'm in doubt whether it is connected correctly.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Rob.
> VIN3695




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:30:16 -0000
From: jeremysmail_at_dml_softhome.net
Subject: Garden Grove, CA Delorean For Sale???

I saw a Delorean for sale in Garden Grove listed on the Classic Car 
Classified web site. Is the owner here?

I don't think it listed if it was a auto or a 5-sp. Wondering if it's 
over at Don's shop as well.

Anyone?


Thanks,

Jeremy






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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:47:35 -0500
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Door light Hidden Switch



To All:


DeLorean Services (DMC Joe) sells a modification that does this; very simple installation, just plug two spade connectors into the fuse box and you're done.   

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