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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 481
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 7:20 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: PLANING FOR A DELOREAN
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. Re: Leaking trans fluid...
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

3. CD-Rs, CD-RWs
From: George Liquor <smeghead79_at_dml_home.com>

4. Re: Passports for Ireland
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Fuel Pump Noise Cured!
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com

6. Re: Happiness is driving a DeLorean
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

7. DMCTech
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

8. RE: CD-Rs, CD-RWs
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>

9. ECU
From: "Jerry Harry" <jerryHarry_at_dml_msn.com>

10. On another note...!
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Rear Caliper Cross
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd_at_dml_nima.mil>

12. FindArticles - STAINLESS STEALS THE SHOW.(Brief Article)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. re: First Drive - Happy Hour!
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

14. new tech site
From: "Drinkware" <marvin_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>

15. Re: Image of the DeLorean/Startup Manual
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re:New DeLorean Tech site/concours manual?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Vendor list For the new tech section
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: trailing arm bolts
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

19. Anyone have a front fascia?
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com

20. A simple thought
From: George Liquor <smeghead79_at_dml_home.com>

21. Hermosa Beach St Patty's day Parade
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

22. RE: re: First Drive - Happy Hour!
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>

23. Re: Door Openers and Other things
From: Dmc3360_at_dml_aol.com

24. Re: ECU
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: new tech site
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:08:46 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: PLANING FOR A DELOREAN

> The Aiwa CDC-MP3 plays CD-R's AND CD-RW's AND instead
> of burning the CD to be read in a stereo, you can just burn
> MP3 files to it and it will read them off!  Its about $300
> http://www.aiwa.com/Catalog00/Products2.asp?id=94

AND it has a front external input jack! I could plug in a tape player IF I
wanted to, or my minidisc....
Definitely got to have an external input, even if it doesn't play MP3s.




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:41:18 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Leaking trans fluid...

Make sure that it is not "overfilled". If it still is leaking get 
under the car and see if it is a pan gasket, hose, cooler, loose 
fitting, seal, etc. If it is running well otherwise it could just be a 
simple repair. Sometimes a leaking transmission indicates internal 
damage. The metal grit eats up the seals and it starts to leak. If the 
fluid is not burnt and is nice and red and is shifing well (no 
slipping) then it may be nothing more than an "o" ring or gasket.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


-- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> My D is an automatic, and it is leaking RED trans fluid.
> 
> Any suggestions as to the problem and the cost of the fix?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Richard




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:11:52 -0600
From: George Liquor <smeghead79_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: CD-Rs, CD-RWs

[disengage lurk mode]

Hi, all!

Somebody earlier reported that there's no standard for CD-RWs and that's
why they can't be played in consumer-grade players.  This is not true.

Although I'm not absolutely certain, if I remember correctly, the reason
is this: CD-RW's cannot be played in commercial CD players due to the
nature of the manufacturing and storing of information.  CDs are thin
layers of silver encased in plastic.  CD-Rs are manufactured by burning
holes in the silver (to read as 1's and 0's - binary digital format)
THROUGH the bottom layer of plastic.  This is the reason that CD-Rs have
coloured plastic on the bottom as opposed to pressed CDs which are clear
all the way through.  (The reason this works is because the coloured
plastic isn't susceptible to the frequencies this particular laser is
putting out.)  CD-RWs, on the other hand, don't actually burn the layer
of silver.  They burn another layer (this is where my memory gets fuzzy
- can't remember if it's plastic or silver), which cannot be seen by
consumer-grade players.  This is why you'll notice CD-RWs feel slightly
heavier, and also have a different colour, and why computer users have
to be specific if they want a burner which will not only WRITE but also
REWRITE.  It is also why CD-RWs are more expensive.  Back when I was an
audio dealer, we had trouble with the early Pioneer CD recorders trying
to deal with "pro" and "rewriteable" discs.  We'd put a blank in and it
would simply say "pro disc," and nothing would happen.  For those
consumer-grade recorders, you have to get "music only" discs, which will
play in just about anything.  For computers of course you don't have to
be so picky; just grab a spindle at Office Max and run with it.  One
thing, though, is to make sure that there's enough texturing or paint on
the TOP of the disc to protect it (unless you're going to put paper
labels on them and be REALLY careful wtih labels).  I bought some from
PNY and they didn't have any protection for the silver on the top.  One
scratch and the disc is history.  I now use the Verbatim ones with white
paint on the top.  You can write on them (GENTLY) with a felt-tip pen
(hence no need for labels) and they silver is protected.  Few people
know that the information in a CD-R is actually on TOP of the disc.

I haven't looked into this subject for a long time, so the information
may have changed.  Feel free to check my explanation on some CD-R info
website if there is any.

Any CD player produced after 1985 with a suitably strong laser will be
able to handle CD-Rs, either "pro" or "music" discs.  I played CD-Rs in
my 1984 JVC player just fine (until the DACs went bye-bye), and they
work in the Sony, Nakamichi, Arcam and Pioneer, and my friend's
Panasonic as well.  One tip, though, if your equipment is sketchy: find
the CD-Rs with the lightest colour on the bottom (i.e. a light green
like Memorex as opposed to the dark blue Verbatim sometimes uses).

This really isn't something to worry about.  Just don't bother with
RWs.  As the other guy said, they're not worth the time and money.  ...
Just for different reasons.  :)

Have fun!

Another long-winded post from a guy who doesn't even OWN a DeLorean.

... yet.  :)

Best regards,
Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA
http://www.wwno.org/



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:15:40 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Passports for Ireland

If anyone needs one still... better step on it!  Or plan on paying an 
expedited fee.

-Wayne
vin 11174



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:49:10 -0000
From: srubano_at_dml_optonline.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump Noise Cured!

Hmmmm...interesting. I thought they were the original ones that were 
being sold, I guess that's why the price. Like I said, learn 
something new everyday. :-)

Steve Rubano

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I actually just performed this procedure on one of the new fuel 
pickup 
> lines last weekend.  The new ($91) one is of very high quality, 
much 
> stiffer than the original ones.  I figured this would help prevent 
it 
> from collapsing when heated, so I decided just to leave it at 
that.  
> <SNIP>> Jim Reeve
> MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
> DMC-6960




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:28:51 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Happiness is driving a DeLorean

Stian,

I am looking forward to meeting you at Eurofest.

Yes, I too always feel better, ever time I open those beautiful gull wing
doors and throw myself in the leather covered driving seat!
Its not just me either, Dave Howarth our club treasurer and busy
businessman, often says when he has had a particularly "stressful" day, 10
miles in his DeLorean always puts the smile back on his face.

Ref   DML..I think we can all get a bit over excited at times...I mean this
thing is supposed to be our hobby, relaxing, enjoyable...you
know..fun!...Boys Toys and all that.......

BTW..Eurofest, Dave and myself and the DOC UK, will be having some trade
stands, with a whole heap of NOS, some very rare for sale..at a "right good
price"! They include original "as new" old stock ( grey) seat  skins at
about $800 a car set..they don't weigh much so you could easily put them in
your suit case.

Look forward to meeting all you Americans at Eurofest..If
you've not booked yet GET CRACKING!

Your Limey cousin,

Chris Parnham DOC UK



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stian Birkeland" <
>
> > DeLorean ready for spring and of course the drive from Norway to England
to
> get to EUROFEST in May.
>
> > > > Again, I love seeing the jaws drop on people looking/staring at the
car and
> pointing. You can see everyone is excited of that "futuristic car".
>
> Is it just me or does anyone else on this list feel the same? >
> >
> I think the DML should have more positive postings of our experiences .>

Stian Birkeland
> Norway
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:30:44 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: DMCTech

Up to #37 this morning, lookin' good.  No content yet.  How about
sending in your favorite whatever it is, whether your original or
something you printed out and saved because it impressed you. You know,
one submission each would make a hell of a document.

Dave Sontos, send in your coverage of setting fuel mixture using the
dwell meter coupled with your test of the O2 sensor, using a meter,
without disconnecting the sensor.  It's already written and sure
impressed me.  If a better version of anything comes along, the
web-master is easily contacted for deletion or change.

If nothing else, tell him what you want to see, give him topics to
cover, Wayne is into something like writing a huge masters thesis, I
would quickly bog down given the scope of his projects.  That he's
willing to take on this project in addition, and is in fact all set up
for it, is a great opportunity to centralize the huge volume of list
input.

Do just this much, sign up and/or send him an entry.

Vendors:  Send a synopsis of what you have and what you do along with
your addresses & 'phone/fax numbers.   I've a pretty good grasp of the 4
major vendors and was going to do it for you but heck, what a great spot
to do it yourself...how about it?  (The usual disclaimer, mine doesn't
include the ONE who doesn't wish to be involved with list participants,
he has what basically can be considered a private practice).

Most of what I was going to put out is in my head or in my
notes...warning, put out your own items or you're going to be subjected
to mine, I want this to happen, don't you?

Les




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:12:09 -0800
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
Subject: RE: CD-Rs, CD-RWs

Moderator's note: I agree with Ryan's first statement here. While many of us have an interest in this subject I think it's been pretty well covered at this point so I think I'll kill it after this statement.
Bruce, this week's moderator]


We've really beat this off topic subject to death, so this will be my last
(public) post on it:

You're mostly right, George/Farrar (both names are listed on your reply, so
I'm not sure which one to use! :)  ).

>> CD-Rs are manufactured by burning holes in the silver

Actually, the laser burns pits into the media, not holes (also, the media is
not silver, it is a chemical dye mixture, though it may contain trace
amounts of silver). Incidentally, CDRs are also not "encased" in plastic.
There is a plastic disc with a layer of dye on top of it. The top of the CD
- the "label" that you write on - IS the media, though it's a common
misconception that there is plastic both on the top and the bottom with
media sandwiched in the middle. People try not to touch the "surface"
(bottom) of the disc, when in reality the top is much more sensitive. (but
you already pointed this out!)

Like you said, if you scratch the top of a CDR, you will take the media
right off the disc. I've got some discs that are completely clear because
the dye wasn't applied correctly and it flaked off after only a few hours of
use. It's real bad when you get it in your CD player, because it can destroy
the drive. (we lost a CDRW drive that way)

>> CD-RWs, on the other hand, don't actually burn the layer
>> of silver.  They burn another layer (this is where my memory gets fuzzy
>> - can't remember if it's plastic or silver), which cannot be seen by
>> consumer-grade players. 

CD-RWs do not burn a layer, they change the status of the layer. Think of a
liquid crystal display. Electricity is applied to a single pixel, and it
lights up. Remove the power and it goes blank. Well, with a CDRW, the laser
uses heat to change the surface of the disc to be either a pit or the lack
of a pit. The status of each "sector" on the disc can be changed a couple
thousand times, thus the rewritable capability. This works well, but the
material used to accomplish this on the disc itself is less than half as
reflective as a standard CDR. As a result, the laser needs to operate at a
much higher power level in order to reflect enough information back to read
the disc. When you put a normal CDR in the drive, the laser drops it's power
level back to normal.

Very few (>5%) audio CD players have the capability to adjust the power on
their laser, and as a result, cannot read the less reflective CDRW discs.
Incidentally, almost all CD-ROM drives nowdays do have this capability.
Older drives (older meaning a couple of years ago) usually cannot read
CDRWs. I've got some drives that can, and others that can't.

One of the reasons CDRWs are heavier than CDRs is they actually do have two
layers of plastic with the media sandwiched in between. If you compare them
to a standard CDR, you'll notice they are slightly thicker. Also, the
chemical within the disc is not only heavier, there's more of it.

>> For those consumer-grade recorders, you have to get "music only" 
>> discs, which will play in just about anything.

The "music only" discs are actually no different in media than regular CDRs.
They are a ploy by the recording studios to deter piracy. When standalone CD
recorders became available, it made CD recording available to everyone else,
when up until then it had been mainly for computer geeks like myself. The
RIAA freaked out and demanded a scheme to reimburse them for "lost sales",
as they assumed the devices would be used for piracy. Standalone CD
recorders have the capability to record to any regular old CDR, but due to
these RIAA imposed regulations, they first check the disc for a code to see
if it's a "music" disc. These "music" discs are encoded with data that tells
the standalone recorder it's OK to record to them. They cost five times as
much and all of that extra money goes to the RIAA.

In effect, they're assuming you're going to pirate music with the devices
and charging you a premium for the discs to recoup some of their costs. It's
bulls---, but the only thing you can do about it is not buy a standalone CD
burner.

Incidentally, you can buy the overpriced "music only" discs and record audio
and/or data to them with a computer and they'll work just fine. They won't,
however, work any better than a cheaper CDR, because they're made of the
same materials. Like I said, the extra cost is not for a superior disc, it's
a premium paid to the recording industry.

Hope this helps.

- Ryan Wright, MCP (ryan.wright_at_dml_lambweston.com)
- Web Operations Analyst
- Lamb-Weston, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: George Liquor [mailto:smeghead79_at_dml_home.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:12 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] CD-Rs, CD-RWs

[disengage lurk mode]

Hi, all!

Somebody earlier reported that there's no standard for CD-RWs and that's
why they can't be played in consumer-grade players.  This is not true.



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:30:05 -0600
From: "Jerry Harry" <jerryHarry_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: ECU

Hello List, Question.
My ECU is NOT putting out the pluse train needed for the freq. value funtions.
The only supply voltage I see going to it is from the Relay 106, on the GY wire.
Mine reads 9 volts at the ECU with the car running poorly.
Does anyone have a good step by step test for the ECU.
Thanks
Jerry
Vin# 4890<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:41:58 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: On another note...!

Chat room, anyone?  My first ever was the recent DMC Houston chat.  That
chat room is open and empty, as are one or two more DeLoean chat rooms.

Easy to set up a time schedule and anyone who cared to participate could
jump in.

Before WWII I was ham operator on 10 meters, no TV yet so amateur radio
was my hobby.  Talked to people over most of the world, met some I liked
well enough to become acquainted, set up regular schedules, usually once
a week to compare notes.

Someone sets up a chat room and nobody comes, sort of like planning a
big party and getting everything ready and no guests.

As always, take your shots!

Les




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:11:05 -0500
From: "Lowery, Dennis [C]" <loweryd_at_dml_nima.mil>
Subject: Rear Caliper Cross

Hello group, I just wanted to pass on my experiences this week with what
seems to be a good option for rear brake calipers.  I went to the
carparts.com (not affiliated) site and selected my vehicle as a "1978 jaguar
XJS 2+2 GT Coupe 2d v12-5.3L",  then searched for rear calipers.  It came up
with many options, both loaded (with pads) and unloaded (without pads-of
course) to choose.  I (being on a budget) opted for the lowest price loaded
calipers that were re-manufactured by Autospecialty (not affiliated), and
paid $110.00 ea.  They were an exact match for the Deloreans rear calipers.
I installed them yesterday after turning the rear rotors and they seem to be
a good, low cost option for those that can't pay the big money that some are
asking.

The Autospecialty (not affiliated) part numbers are:
40-08502 Right
40-08501 Left

They came treated with that gold color plating (?)

Dennis Lowery
Vin. # 4797



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:31:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: FindArticles - STAINLESS STEALS THE SHOW.(Brief Article)

Andy Lien [soma576_at_dml_aol.com] thought you'd find this article useful.

STAINLESS STEALS THE SHOW.(Brief Article)
http://www.findarticles.com/m3012/4_180/61892613/p1/article.jhtml

hey guys - found this article on the web.  thought it might be of interest, even though it is a little off-topic.



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:36:16 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: re: First Drive - Happy Hour!

Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:11:30, Stian Birkeland wrote: 
> 
> Today was the first day of 2001 I had my car outside and driven.
[snip]
> Again, I love seeing the jaws drop on people looking/staring at the car
> and pointing. You can see everyone is excited of that "futuristic car".
>
> Is it just me or does anyone else on this list feel the same? 

I'm sure allmost every owner on this list feels this way,
at least I do, so you're not alone  ;-)

> I mean whenever I get out of the car, opening the gullwing doors,
> I automatically  get a big smile on my face...and yes,
> the smile is also there even if there is not people looking.

I have the exact same feeling; I even caught myself on a little
habit I developed in the 6 months I have owned  and driven my car!

In a normal car I park, shut off the engine, put on the parkingbrake,
loosen the seatbelt, take out the key, open the door, get out,
lock up and walk away.

With the DeLorean, the first thing I do (exept when it's raining) is
opening the door, the rest comes after that. 
It's a great feeling seeing all those heads turn to your car when
the door opens, in fact I look forward to getting my car some 
dooropeners that would be a VERY cool sight when you approach your car!

But first things first: I'll have to sort out the passengerdoorlock
first; it has to be opened with two hands at the moment...

> The DeLorean is a cute car which really makes my day. If I'm in a bad mood, 
> I just go out for a drive and come back as a new person.

I can't take it out that easily, but jsut booting my Mac makes me smile
every time I see "Dagger" appear as my desktoppicture/wallpaper...

Today my evening started out great when a photographer phoned me to
make an apointment for a photo-shoot next monday!
I'm going to be part of a readerspanel for "Kampioen", the monthly
magazine for members of ANWB, sort of the Dutch AAA and they wanted
pictures of me with something that's very special to me.
When I mentioned the "D" the photgrapher didn't have to think that
long! I'll keep you all posted on how it went, I'm busy this weekend:
I have to wash my car!

Greetings from the Netherlands,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:05:45 -0500
From: "Drinkware" <marvin_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com>
Subject: new tech site

Great concept. Looking forward to my car continuing to run great and hopefully not having to need it!

What's the overall opinion of our major service centers? Will they lose business if this technical repair information is readily available to the corner gas station / mechanic? What percent of owners will now attempt to fix their own cars rather than flatbed or drive to a recognized expert? I ask these questions because very knowledgeable people donate many, many hours in free advice to those of us who are stuck with a problem or two. I would not want them to lose income or clients or be "turned off". 
Just a thought.

Marvin Stein
vin#4239
email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:31 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Image of the DeLorean/Startup Manual

In a message dated 3/28/01 6:31:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
comet4055_at_dml_juno.com writes:

<< My point: If this does come about, please don't have the thing just list
 problems, Just mention that the prospective owner/ New owner with
 problems should check these certain places, (i.e. don't just say that
 every cars clutch line will snap and you must replace it with an after
 market one, because no two cars are exactly the same, so don't make
 generalizations if you don't have to) >>

Don't worry... I'm an optimist, not a pessimist.  (Obviously, or I wouldn't 
be tackling this in the first place!)  My experiences with my D have all been 
positive, I have no gripes with the car or its design.  I enjoy it 
thoroughly. Any twenty year old car has special needs.  Compared to most, the 
DeLorean as a whole is very durable and reliable.  You needn't worry about 
DMCTech being a fountain of negativity. I'm editing into a cohesive whole, 
not  letting everybody toss in their conflicting 2 cents worth, though that 
has its place too.  
I'm also very big on working with your favorite DeLorean vendor. They are THE 
primo source for information.  No book or website out there will ever take 
the place of them!.  DMCTech is designed to help you understand your car; 
decide what repairs you want to carry out and when, within your budget; do 
such repairs as you must and you are technically capable of; direct your 
local non-DeLorean repair guy if you're not able to use the services of a 
full service DeLorean shop; and ask intelligent questions when you're talking 
to your favorite D shop.

-Wayne



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:27 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:New DeLorean Tech site/concours manual?

In a message dated 3/28/01 10:59:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com writes:

<<  Are you designing the site information for Concourse d' elegance cars 
 (incorporating the Concourse judging manual) or are you directing the 
 information for the daily driver DeLorean's? >>

I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel on the Concours judging manual... I'd 
like to describe it and then refer anyone interested to the manual on the DMC 
Houston site.  Some Concours issues will be addressed however, if they're not 
issues covered in the judging manual. 

-Wayne



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:30 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Vendor list For the new tech section

In addition to the full service DeLorean Vendors, there are numerous full or 
sideline DeLorean aftermarket parts or services vendors... if you're one, 
please contact DMCTech for inclusion:

Company Name
Contact person
Mailing Address
Phone, fax, web address, e-mail address
Product line in one paragraph, hopefully 25 words or less, detailing product 
line and services overview.



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:28:27 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: trailing arm bolts

In a message dated 3/28/01 10:26:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net writes:

<< Forgot, add in trailing arms and bolts? >>

Good point.  Especially since everybody calls them "trailing arms bolts," but 
I don't recall ever seeing them called that in the original manuals. The 
original manuals also don't stress the importance of checking them, or the 
procedure either.  Anybody got pics of the process?  Or a concise 
description, maybe in an old "e-mails you've sent" file?  Or willing to write 
a first-hand description?  Please post it to DMCTech_at_dml_yahoogroups.com.  Of 
course, you have to sign up as a DMCTech member to send e-mails to that 
address.

-Wayne



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:33:51 -0000
From: badgeman46_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Anyone have a front fascia?

   I am looking for a used front fascia. Slight eyebrows are ok, as 
long as there aren't any cracks. If anyone knows where I can locate 
one, let me know.
-Jay




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:25:26 -0600
From: George Liquor <smeghead79_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: A simple thought

Hello, list ...

After several months of reading the current digests and backissues, I'm
very glad that I found this list as a DeLorean enthusiast and future
owner of the car.  I've never seen such a collection of genuine fans and
experts.

On the other hand, I'm very sad to see that this list has recently
become merely a shooting ground for other people to prove how "right"
they are.  After receiving personal backlash from a statement that I
made that was not only true but also included disclaimers (sent to my
personal e-mail address, no less), I can't help but wonder what this
list is about.  It seems to have changed since the beginning from a
discussion and knowledge pool into something people use to massage their
own egos.  There's a lot of mean-spiritedness here that is contagious. 
I think it could be cured by research and thought.

Just my two cents.  I hope this list becomes helpful again.

Farrar Hudkins
New Orleans, LA



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:48:00 -0800
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Hermosa Beach St Patty's day Parade

Next week's auto week has a very small photo and single paragraph on the
vary last page's section called "but wait, there's more"regarding the
squadron of DeLoreans taking part in the Hermosa Beach St Patrick's Day
parade. Thought maybe those who took part may have an interest.

Bruce Benson




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:53:19 -0800
From: "Wright, Ryan (LW)" <Ryan.Wright_at_dml_lambweston.com>
Subject: RE: re: First Drive - Happy Hour!

>> in fact I look forward to getting my car some 
>> dooropeners that would be a VERY cool sight when you approach your car!

Dooropeners = push a button on a keyless entry and the door pops open and
goes up on it's own? If so, where does a person find something like this for
a Delorean?

Gathering info before I buy my own,

- Ryan Wright, MCP (ryan.wright_at_dml_lambweston.com)
- Web Operations Analyst
- Lamb-Weston, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan van de Wouw [mailto:Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM
To: DMC-News
Subject: [DML] re: First Drive - Happy Hour!

I'm sure allmost every owner on this list feels this way,
at least I do, so you're not alone  ;-)



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:28:08 EST
From: Dmc3360_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Door Openers and Other things

PJ Grady is currently working on dooropeners that will work with the 
Lockzilla remote entry accesory they currently offer.  I was at Rob's shop 
the other day and he said they will be out soon.  On another note I had PJ 
Grady's new shocks installed on my car along with the front lowering springs. 
 One word to describe the difference over stock..AWESOME.  The car handles 
and rides beautiully.  Certainly the wasy it was intended to be originally.  
I drove the car home two hours and felt myself wanting to drive farther since 
I was enjoying the ride so much :-)  The shocks are fantastic and can be 
adjusted as well.  Great job!

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360


<<Dooropeners = push a button on a keyless entry and the door pops open and

> goes up on it's own? If so, where does a person find something like this for
> a Delorean?
> 
> Gathering info before I buy my own,
> 
> - Ryan Wright, MCP (ryan.wright_at_dml_lambweston.com)
> - Web Operations Analyst
> 




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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:08:17 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: ECU

Jerry, You should have 12 + volts on the wire or that side of the relay. If you have the diagram D:04:12, it comes thru #7 fuse directly to the contacts. You may have a burnt contact and it's not conducting properly due to high resistance. You can see the diagram on my web site. The Lambda processes the voltage from the 02 sensor as it reads the mixture to adjust the FV. It's rare that a Lambda unit doesn't work. Most of the the time the 02 sensor is contimanited and doesn't respond to the mixture and FV won't change and just runs rich or lean. Call or email if you need any more help.
John hervey
www.specialtauto.com     



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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:14:51 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: new tech site

In a message dated 3/29/01 5:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
marvin_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com writes:

<< What's the overall opinion of our major service centers? Will they lose 
business if this technical repair information is readily available to the 
corner gas station / mechanic? What percent of owners will now attempt to fix 
their own cars rather than flatbed or drive to a recognized expert? I ask 
these questions because very knowledgeable people donate many, many hours in 
free advice to those of us who are stuck with a problem or two. I would not 
want them to lose income or clients or be "turned off" >>

I asked each of the five full service DeLorean shop owners what they thought 
as I began research on the new service manual. Aside from Ed, they all seem 
genuinely supportive, although they themselves don't need it.  When I first 
bought my DeLorean, I spread my purchases out pretty evenly.  Bought my first 
items from DeLorean One.  I found ALL of the vendors willing to talk and try 
to help over the phone. I even called Rob Grady, my nearest D shop, for help 
installing a Motorola alternator that I didn't get from him, to replace my 
Ducey.  He not only walked me through it, he faxed me a copy of the 
appropriate service bulletin. (I immediately ordered the service bulletin 
reprint manual from him!)  
Why should  they not feel threatened? Well, they all sell parts.  I know 
enough about D's that I won't let my mechanic work on mine without getting 
the parts for him.  Even the oil filters. If I knew less, I might think 
anything the mechanic suggests is an ok idea.  Since I know better, D vendors 
make more money from me in parts sales. Second, they all must get a lot of 
seemingly dumb but necessary questions... that don't lead to any sales.  
Like, "how do you adjust the tilt steering wheel?" Just look at how new 
people keep thinking of the same questions on the DML.  This should siphon 
off some of that time drain.  Third, when owners discover a solution to a 
seemingly insolvable problem, they may be inspired to get that baby back on 
the road.  A twenty year old car on the road needs more maintenance and part$ 
than one under a tarp in the garage.  Fourth, who's gonna trailer their D 
across seven states to get a new headlight or even replace a binnacle?  What 
little they "lose" in nickel and dime tinkerer repairs will be more than 
offset by increased demand for DeLoreans caused by more DeLorean sightings.  
(Personally, it was seeing a great DeLorean close up, rather than seeing a 
bttf movie, that inspired ME to buy one!)  And what would you rather sell, if 
you were them... a $30,000 car or $30,000 worth of oil filters?  I think that 
anything that helps popularize and sustain the marque helps the vendors. 
Fifth, even the vendors sell the original manual reprints and give out free 
advice.  It hasn't hurt them so far!

-Wayne 



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