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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 482
Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:22 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. thottle cable on to use with twin turbos
From: Meyerleem_at_dml_cs.com

2. Re: new tech site
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

3. Re: thottle cable on to use with twin turbos
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. DeLorean Dies
From: rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com

5. Re: Re: Vendor list For the new tech section
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Door Openers
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

7. Re: A simple thought
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

8. Re: new tech site
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com

9. Re: re: First Drive - Happy Hour!
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

10. Eurofest 2001
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

11. Factory 170mph speedo??
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

12. old used parts for sale
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com

13. Re: DeLorean Dies
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

14. Re: new tech site
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:16:25 EST
From: Meyerleem_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: thottle cable on to use with twin turbos

    I have a Delorean with twin turbos from Turbo Manifold Co. The problem is 
that the throttle cable is hanging up and doesn't seem to be the same cable 
that was originally on the car. I have not received a reply from the e-mail 
sent to the company. does anyone know anything about htis or that company? I 
did not own the car when the turbos wwere installed.



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:34:36 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: new tech site

Hi Marvin, not much changes, the fixers fix and the non fixers don't fix.  The advantage to the non fixer is that when you take your car is in for repair you know when someone is giving you a story about what needs to be done.  When you don't know anything about what needs to be done you can often be led down a very expensive garden path. Mechanics couldn't care less what you screw up trying to do it yourself, that's where some of the big money is, your guilt allows them a very large pencil while figuring
your bill.  Basic fear keeps non fixers at bay, the bolder one's pay the price for their daring.

Les

Drinkware wrote:

> Great concept. Looking forward to my car continuing to run great and hopefully not having to need it!
>
> What's the overall opinion of our major service centers? Will they lose business if this technical repair information is readily available to the corner gas station / mechanic? What percent of owners will now attempt to fix their own cars rather than flatbed or drive to a recognized expert? I ask these questions because very knowledgeable people donate many, many hours in free advice to those of us who are stuck with a problem or two. I would not want them to lose income or clients or be "turned off".
> Just a thought.
>
> Marvin Stein
> vin#4239
> email: marv_at_dml_printeddrinkware.com
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:34:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: thottle cable on to use with twin turbos

I don't know what your throttle cable looks like.  I
have had two twin turbos and have never had a problem.
 Oops, that is not quite right, once I had the cable
come loose and that caused me to have a very fast
running engine until I discovered the problem.

As regards the company, I have recently been in
contact with Eleanor, the owner, and was treated very
nicely.  She did, however, say that she had been sick
and apologized for the time it took her to respond.

Both Rob Grady and Don Steger regularly install and
service the set-up, so call either one of them with
your questions.  You will not be disappointed.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:37:25 -0000
From: rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: DeLorean Dies

List,	
	I read the site on DMC news about the delorean dies being dumped as
anchors in ards bay for a fish farm.  I was wondering what those dies
were made out of and how feasible it would be to 'borrow' the dies
back. Of course replace them with cement blocks.
	How feasible would it be for anyone who knows anything about the
production process to refurbish the dies.  Is it possible?  Why would
I want to do this? Because it is there.  Because it would make it
possible for anyone to make the firestar 500 (The modernized
delorean.)  It would make it much harder to get those rare quarter
panels.  We could make new doors.
	So my main question is: If those dies were brought up would they be
any good?
	I've got some connections with groups that owe me a favor.  The
DeLorean community might benefit by getting those back.

Rob




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:44:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Vendor list For the new tech section


I am extremely pleased to see your call for input from
the "less than full service" DeLorean vendors.  Many
have developed one or two parts that are truly
worthwhile and have significant experience to share. 
While I, like you, give full support to ALMOST all the
full service vendors, I also recognize the niche
filled by the others.

Again, Wayne, keep up the good work.

Dick Ran
VIN 16867

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:54:43 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: Door Openers

There are 2 seperate versions of the automatic door openers from what 
I've seen. When you disarm the alarm, the doors are unlocked. To open 
either door individually, you simply push the coresponding button on 
the remote. A solenoid is mounted in the front portion of the door, 
and is connected to the lower portion of the bellcrank via a braided 
cable. When the solenoid is activated, it will pull the cable to 
rotate the bellcrank to unlatch the fore and aft striker pins. Here's 
where both versions vary:
Version 1: A "kicker" solenoid with a rubber pad is installed into 
the fiberglass underbody. Located at the rear-lower portion of the 
door, it will activate to push the door out as the door unlatches.
Version 2: The torsion bars are adjusted, and then over-torqued by 1-
2 notches. As soon as the door is unlatched, the force of the torsion 
bar will naturally force the door to rise.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Dmc3360_at_dml_a... wrote:
> PJ Grady is currently working on dooropeners that will work with 
the 
> Lockzilla remote entry accesory they currently offer.  I was at 
Rob's shop 
> the other day and he said they will be out soon.  
<SNIP>
> <<Dooropeners = push a button on a keyless entry and the door pops 
open and
> 
> > goes up on it's own? If so, where does a person find something 
like this for
> > a Delorean?
> > 
> > Gathering info before I buy my own,
> > 
> > - Ryan Wright, MCP (ryan.wright_at_dml_l...)
> > - Web Operations Analyst




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:39:38 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: A simple thought

Sometimes things can be, well, misinterpreted by both sides. The DML 
is somewhat of a family here. And like any other family, we watch out 
for each other. If there is some information that is either submitted 
in or omitted from a posting that could possibly cause any harm to 
someone or their cars, then others are quick to correct the 
information in an effort to help protect anyone who is going to 
utilize the instructions or advice the has been given.

Admittedly sometimes we can be a bit, shall we say, "overeager" in 
our attempts to help out one another. Naturally there is a 
responsibility for those that help out as well in knowing when 
something has already been said, and of course how to go about saying 
something. Both courtesy and tact are things that even I could 
probably utilize a bit more. I must admit, I don't have permission 
from everyone here on the list to speak on their behalf. But, I do 
feel that only the best of intentions are at heart.

And yes, sometimes frictions can develope between people, but it does 
happen. How we let that affect us on a personal level, and how we can 
prevent it from happening in the future is up to us. The first time 
you got cut off in traffic, did you let that keep you from driving?

With that said, let's all start with a fresh slate.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., George Liquor <smeghead79_at_dml_h...> wrote:
<SNIP>
I'm very sad to see that this list has recently
> become merely a shooting ground for other people to prove 
how "right"
> they are.  After receiving personal backlash from a statement that I
> made that was not only true but also included disclaimers (sent to 
my
> personal e-mail address, no less), I can't help but wonder what this
> list is about
<SNIP>




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:59:25 -0000
From: DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Re: new tech site

I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here, but I must ask 1 
question: What exactly is the goal of the new DMCTech mailing list? 
Is it going to be a "bin" for people to submit ideas for a Startup 
Guide for the DeLorean? Or is this going to be a 2nd version of the 
DML? I can understand creating a bulletin board to post ideas to. 
That way you can keep both an online record, and you can have people 
further elaborate on those ideas as things progress. Or is this going 
to be a tech list where people can post problems with thier cars, and 
then have technical advice offered? If so, then that's already here 
on the DML. I'm not saying anything in an attempt to knock anyone or 
their ideas. It's just that not only is the DML already in place, but 
we have many people here who just by reading the daily postings alone 
are able to "proofread" advice and repair procedures for inaccuracies 
and so forth. There are many list members here who come from all 
walks of life. In their own ways they provide unique information 
along with common knowlege that helps to aid us all with specific 
areas of our cars. 2 lists are too many too keep track of.

Just wanted to clarify things...

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Hi Marvin, not much changes, the fixers fix and the non fixers 
don't fix.  The advantage to the non fixer is that when you take your 
car is in for repair you know when someone is giving you a story 
about what needs to be done.  When you don't know anything about what 
needs to be done you can often be led down a very expensive garden 
path. Mechanics couldn't care less what you screw up trying to do it 
yourself, that's where some of the big money is, your guilt allows 
them a very large pencil while figuring
> your bill.  Basic fear keeps non fixers at bay, the bolder one's 
pay the price for their daring.
> 
> Les




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:13:23 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: Re: re: First Drive - Happy Hour!

Hi Jan,
    Next to a door release by remote control, for lots of fun,  is a remote
starter.....I have had my D for four years and installed this when I got it.
It gets as much of a double take as the car itself!  If anyone is standing
in front of it, they leap out of the way thinking it is going to run over
them.   I'll never forget an elderly lady in a supermarket parking lot,  who
had a paper bag of groceries.....she was next to the D and I did not see her
or would never have pushed the button which startled her.....she dropped her
bag of groceries that went all over the place including UNDER my D.  I
apologized and picked up the mess.   She wasn't mad at me though.   Usually
I push the remote start button from inside the store so the car will be
cooled or warmed by the time I get out there.
    I don't have the door release yet, but got the info from Darryl
Tinnerstet.  He says he enjoys walking  up to the car, pop the door and
without missing a stride, slide into the seat!  Mostly it just takes a
strong solenoid that will yank the door release from within the door...plus
a lot of work!   I don't "bend" like I used to or I would have one installed
by now!
    I am almost 80 and am sitll the 12 year old boy with the first balloon
tired bike in town!!
        Murray
        Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII
        Washington State, USA




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:19:10 EST
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Eurofest 2001



    In the current issue of Thoroughbred & ClassicCars the editor of events 
has included a paragraph on the DeLorean cars returning to the Belfast 
factory.
    

Michael Pack



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:21:48 EST
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Factory 170mph speedo??

Dear Group,
       I have come across 2 DeLoreans in my area and there is one in 
particular I have a question about.  It is VIN 02727 and the owner tells me 
that it is a factory twin turbo with a factory 170 mph speedo on it.  I have 
not seen the cars yet but I am going to look at them on Sunday.  I want to 
know #1 if a factory twin turbo can have a VIN that high, and #2 if there was 
a factory 170 mph speedo.  I only know of factory 140 speedos (very few of 
those, maybe about 4 or so) and 240kph speedos for the Canadian and Euro 
models.  Please help me out here folks!  For those that are interested the 
other is VIN 01458, owner does not specifiy anything special about it.  Thank 
you all for your time.

Regards,
Darren Decker
VIN 05000
NC lic:  1981 DMC


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:27:31 -0000
From: delorean502_at_dml_excite.com
Subject: old used parts for sale

Hi,
I have some parts that NEED TO GO!  Most of the parts are damaged and 
may only be good for testing or for art work....your call.
1 front fascia (area behind the grill is cracked, the rest is good)
2 rear bumpers (foam bumper that goes behind the fascia)
1 damaged drivers door.  Comes with all of the glass and wiring 
harness (someone broke into the door with a crowbar...damn robbers)
Engine parts (all are in good/great shape...air venturie, plenum, air 
intake)
Damaged flat hood (fiberglass broke and stainless bent a little...if 
this doesn't sell i might use the stainless to fabricate interior 
parts ie: shift pattern)
Gas tank cover (minor surface rust)
1 whole wiring harness ( i took this out of my parts car...finally.  
All intact, except a couple plugs for the front side lights, 
otherwise it is all there and doesn't look damaged)

Also, whats left of my parts car is for sale.  Sadly there isn't much 
left that I can use, but someone out there might need something.  The 
rear section of the fiberglass is usable.  It has the rear window. 4 
brake calipers (needs rebuilding of coares) Rotors, some coolant 
lines, rear trailing arms (suprisingly in good shape), and varius 
brackets and such.  It doesn't come with wheels.  Like I said, it is 
down to scrap, but someone out there might need some of these parts.  
I will let this go for real cheap.  I can tow it on my flat bed 
trailer up to 100 miles of my house.  Make an offer and I'm sure I 
will accept it....not free though :)

Erik
04512

These parts need to go.  If you are interested, make an offer and I'm 
sure I will accept it.  





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:36:10 -0800
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dies

Shortly after purchasing the remaining inventory of DeLorean parts,
following the closing of the factory, Marvin Katnz spent about $40,000 just
to have divers investigate the feasibility of resurrecting those dies. He
decided the cost was too great when compared to the revenue they would
generate in spare body panels sold.  As far as anyone producing a car in
today's era of government regulations...well I doubt the combined resources
of this entire list would come anywhere near close to financing just the
basic research to accomplish such a task. You can say what you want about
the DeLorean venture but having worked in the auto manufacturing business
for a good many years I can say unequivocally that what John DeLorean and
his people accomplished, for the dollar amount spent, was pure genius.

Bruce Benson


> How feasible would it be for anyone who knows anything about the
> production process to refurbish the dies.  Is it possible?  Why would
> I want to do this? Because it is there.  Because it would make it
> possible for anyone to make the firestar 500 (The modernized
> delorean.)  > Rob





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:00:35 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: new tech site

Hi Robert,
Lots of answers to this one, hard to know where to start.  For one thing,
many of the same questions keep coming up with the same answers being given,
over and over, no end in sight  If the situation as it now exists were
adequate, obviously this wouldn't be so, would it.  Searching the archives
can be very time consuming and the results much less than you would hope.  I
heartily support Wayne in all that he is attempting.  Your same response or
question could be applied to the proposed parts manual and service
manual...do we really need any more information...of course we do!  There's
no such thing as too much wisdom.  If we stop here and don't attempt any more
progress that's rather limiting isn't it.  No new ideas, no changes, keep all
as it is?  I can't agree with that.  This is not another list.  The concept,
simply, is to have all of the information in one place, good answers, easy to
find.  We don't have it, we need it, let's do it!  The archives are getting
unwieldy and growing at a rapid pace, what would make sense would be to
extract the gems of wisdom, consolidate, edit, offer, (gee, we're looking at
the new Tech site) and scratch the rest.  Project the rapid growth of the
archives and pretty soon you can see half a day spent wading through topics
to find one answer.  I doubt that anyone will ever try to tidy up the
archives and it will get worse.  There is a lot of e-mailing and 'phoning to
vendors to get answers that should be available in other forms.  There are
always exceptions but the calls are generally made because the information is
just not that easy to find, the 'phone calls are the quickest way.  The
vendors take up a lot of their time answering questions and they get high
praise for it but it would be nice to spare them a high percentage of it by
providing the answers to the questions they are being asked.  This could go
on and on (and probably will) but hopefully you get the idea.

Les

DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com wrote:

> I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here, but I must ask 1
> question: What exactly is the goal of the new DMCTech mailing list?
> Is it going to be a "bin" for people to submit ideas for a Startup
> Guide for the DeLorean? Or is this going to be a 2nd version of the
> DML? 
>
> Just wanted to clarify things...
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585





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