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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 483
Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:47 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: door opener kits
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

2. Re: Factory 170mph speedo??
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

3. Re: DeLorean Dies
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

4. RE: Factory 170mph Speedo??
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

5. Re: Factory 170mph Speedo??
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

6. The Skipper Saga
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

7. No Bragging??? was RE: "New Owner Documentation"
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. The #1 problem driving a DeLorean.
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

9. Announcing a New West Coast DeLorean Show!
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

10. Re: Image of the DeLorean/Startup Manual
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: DeLorean Dies
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

12. Re: The Skipper Saga
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: Factory 170mph Speedo??
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:21:29 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: door opener kits

Remote door opener kits are available here, and have been for a long time.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:57:41 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Factory 170mph speedo??

Darren / List ,
 I KNOW of about 25 Speedo's with 140 mph (on the RHD cars)  and a couple
with the kilometre equivalent..
.I Think the other 160 / 170 mph was simply a conversion..i.e. doubling
up..or halving,  modifications to the internals and adding a re-calibrated
face.

But I sure some one  on the list knows for sure.

Chris P DOC UK

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Subject: [DML] Factory 170mph speedo??


> Dear Group,
>        I have come across 2 DeLoreans in my area and there is one in
> particular I have a question about.  It is VIN 02727 and the owner tells
me
> that it is a factory twin turbo with a factory 170 mph speedo on it.  I
have
> not seen the cars yet but I am going to look at them on Sunday.  I want to
> know #1 if a factory twin turbo can have a VIN that high, and #2 if there
was
> a factory 170 mph speedo.  I only know of factory 140 speedos (very few of
> those, maybe about 4 or so) and 240kph speedos for the Canadian and Euro
> models.  Please help me out here folks!  For those that are interested the
> other is VIN 01458, owner does not specifiy anything special about it.
Thank
> you all for your time.
>
> Regards,
> Darren Decker
> VIN 05000
> NC lic:  1981 DMC
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:05:08 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dies

In a message dated 3/29/01 9:26:13 PM Central Standard Time, 
rpeckhoff_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:


> How feasible would it be for anyone who knows anything about the
> production process to refurbish the dies.  Is it possible?  Why would
> I want to do this? Because it is there.  Because it would make it
> possible for anyone to make the firestar 500 (The modernized
> delorean.)  It would make it much harder to get those rare quarter
> panels.  


This one comes up sometimes, at least once since i've joined the list last 
fall.  like others have said and will say, there is a lot more to this than 
you might think.  it will probably never happen unless we can get some real 
money behind it by someone who wants to donate it to the cause i.e. filthy 
rich car collector like Jay Leno.  

as for the firestar 500, the original dies have nothing to do with that car. 
have you ever seen pictures of it? the car is a lot more than just a 
'revamped original DeLorean'.

also, i think it would be easier to just have someone donate a car to a 
machine shop or something who has experience in this field and they can make 
some new dies for a much lower cost.  however, the time for this has not come 
yet.  parts are still available.  maybe when they're all gone, THEN this will 
finally happen.

those dies are gonna sit in Davey Jones' locker for a LONG time, i think....

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:12:12 -0500
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Factory 170mph Speedo??


Was talking with Deb at PJ's today about the 140mph mod that is out there
and she also informed me that they sell the 170mph. She said that it matched
the other gauges in the car when it is installed. I would have to say
that,most likely these Deloreans have the 170mph mod installed.

Give me a call Darren, I am already trying to take off work
Saturday....maybe I can join you.
Robert Starling
Vin#05252




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:11:51 -0600
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Re: Factory 170mph Speedo??

I have one of the 170 mph speedo's but it was ordered from DeLorean One
years ago.  There were never any DeLorean's that came from the factory with
the 170 speedo.  It is an aftermarket product, but it is VERY nice and looks
stock.  If anyone is interested in seeing a pic of it, just drop me a email.
The reason I changed it is b/c everyone that would look in my car would say
"it only has 85 on the speedometer??!!??"  Since I put in the 170, now I get
"WOW! It has 170 on the speedometer!!!!"  Yea, it won't get anywhere close
to that speed, but I think it matches the car better ;-) (IMHO of course)


Duke





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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:32:24 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: The Skipper Saga

How about this instead:  Never, under any circumstances, remove a
battery cable with the engine running, major electrical component damage
may occur.

What do you think Wayne, can that go under Cautions or Electrical?

Les




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:29:09 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: No Bragging??? was RE: "New Owner Documentation"

Clip--->"That's because most people don't come here to brag about their car. 
They'd be preaching to the choir. Besides, when the car is running good, 
we're (well, not me, yet) out driving it, not sitting on our bums gloating 
over it. We come here for answers to our problems."<---end clip

HEY! You wanna hear bragging? Ok... I drive my car all the time and I love 
it! As long as it's a nice day out, hot or freezing, I'm taking my DeLorean 
to work! In fact I took it to work yesterday, and today!!! MY CAR KICKS 
ASS!!! WOOOHOOO!!!! :) (Good enuff? ;))

---Dan

Mid-Atlantic Club Spring Social April 21st Ringoes, NJ
http://hometown.aol.com/delorean31/social.html

(BTW: Tongue in cheek post)


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:47:56 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: The #1 problem driving a DeLorean.

With all the recent talk about the thrill of driving a DeLorean, and how it
effects our emotional state....  I wanted to point out the one BIG frustration
with driving any "regular car", or even worse a low profile sports car like the
DeLorean.

SUV and Minivan drivers that just make it impossible and frustrating to dive
within any distance of them.  The parking lots in my area are lined up with them
making it also impossible to pull out of parking spots without risking someone
driving in to you with another one of these monster trucks!

Have others had the same experience in sharing the road with SUV's and Mini
vans??



I found this web site... Much of it is tongue in cheek, but there are a lot of
serious points made about SUV's, good reading if you are a SUV driver or in the
market to buy one.

http://poseur.4x4.org/

I am in no was associated with the above site...



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:37:08 -0800
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: Announcing a New West Coast DeLorean Show!

                The 2001 DeLorean/Bricklin Western Exposition

                  September 20 - 23, San Ramon, California

Sponsored by the Northern California DeLorean Motor Club in cooperation with
Bricklin International and the California Bricklin Owners.

                <<First announcement posting, March, 2001>>

The Northern California DeLorean Motor Club is proud to announce a new fall
DeLorean Car Show in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Our home base for the event is the San Ramon Marriott. There will be a
welcome reception on Thursday night and we plan to keep a hospitality room
available throughout the event. This will give owners a place to meet at any
time they wish. 

San Ramon, California is approximately 25 miles east of the city of Oakland
in the San Francisco Bay Area. The San Ramon Valley has long been considered
one of the most desirable areas in the Bay Area because of its scenic
beauty, good climate, suburban charm, and proximity to the Bay Area's major
business centers. 

Friday morning we will caravan from the hotel to the nearby wine country for
tours and lunch. Route, prices and details are still being developed.

Our Friday night banquet is at the prestigious Blackhawk Auto Museum, an
affiliate of the Smithsonian Institution. Admission to the Banquet includes
touring the museum and admission to the Smithsonian RMS Titanic Exhibit. 

Dramatically displayed in the dining area will be a DeLorean, a Tucker, and
a Bricklin. This will be the first time these three cars will be seen
together in one lineup. Special guests and speakers for the evening are to
be announced.

Saturday is our car show at the Marriott. We will have one or more levels of
judging. There will also be tech seminars for both cars, a dealers room,
displays, plus more.

Saturday night we'll have our awards banquet at the Marriott with trophies
for the Show's award-winning entries. There will be raffle prizes for both
banquets. 

Sunday we may do another drive and/or a brunch depending on advance
interest. 

Joining us is Bricklin International and the California Bricklin Owners
club. This combined event will familiarize us with the unique qualities of
each other's cars and allows us to use our combined numbers to further the
quality of the event.

This will be a great driving event for people on or close to the West Coast,
and the Show, combined with the many interesting opportunities this region
of California offers, makes this a worthwhile event for those who fly in
from around the country. This is an event like those held in Cincinnati and
Cleveland and Ken Koncelik has been our consultant, lending his expertise to
the show.

A printed flier and registration form will be available to DeLorean and
Bricklin owners and enthusiasts around the country starting in May/June. We
will use our website and the popular mailing lists to keep everyone informed
of progress on the event.

It will take us a few more weeks to get the details all worked out and to
plan our driving tour(s). We're working to keep the prices as low as we can
by soliciting companies and groups to 'sponsor' the events.

Hotel reservations are already available and you can call the Marriott now
at (925) 867-9200. Make sure to mention the DeLorean/Bricklin Car Show to
get the special $74 a night convention rate. Show prices and registration
information will be available soon. Rooms are limited and you should call
now to reserve your room at the Show rate.

Please let me know if there's anything else you would like to see or
participate in. 

Ken Montgomery, President, NCDMC
You can contact me at: kenm_at_dml_csus.edu

Our club website is http://www.ncdmc.org

Event Links:

San Ramon Marriott:
http://www.marriotthotels.com/dpp/PropertyPage.asp?MarshaCode=OAKSR
The Blackhawk Auto Museum: http://www.blackhawkmuseum.org/

Bricklin Links:

Bricklin International: http://www.bricklin.org/
California Bricklin Owners http://californiabricklinowners.org/



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:21:19 EST
From: qrorell_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Image of the DeLorean/Startup Manual

Robert and all who have had this idea,
What a great idea. Yes, the delorean should not be purchased as an 
investment. But imaging if you will(never going to happen,But) you are 
selling your car and this guy just loves the "D" but has never worked on one 
or does not "Trust" the local machanics. As part of your handing over 
documents you give him a book on what can/will go wrong and the basic steps 
to fix and or look for for salutions. This small book would have saved me 
many hours of working on my car over the years and money since I was not 
always near a "D" machanic. 
It does not need to be an end all for fixing the car but just a simple 
examples of what to look for if you have problems. 
It has already been mentioned that the manuels for the car are outdated and 
in some cases just simple wrong.
To say that to metion these problems is bad for the car is like saying I do 
not need to balance my checkbook since I know how much money I spent and how 
much went in. You still need to know where you stand!
Ever car has flaws, some more than others. If most if not all the common 
flaws for a vehicle have been identified and recorded, it makes owning the 
car that much easier and better for all concerned.
The suppliers of parts and machanics for our cars have made a living doing 
just that. Which is why we take them to them. For profesional advise and 
help. As was mentioned before, they have all taken great pains to put out the 
best information that they have and the best parts that are affordable.

My 2 cents for what its worth!

Barry 6012
And not selling soon!!!



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:11:02 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: DeLorean Dies

Forget about the dies! It is a lot less work to repair a mangled panel 
then to recreate a new one. Besides the dies you would need a press 
big enough to put them in and they aren't cheap. A good "Metal Man" 
can straighten out something most would consider junk. Right now 
enough panels are around so it isn't worth the time but someday it 
will be worth repairing anything. In the event someone MUST recreate a 
panel it is done on what is called a "Bucking Block". This is 
esentially a wooden form and the panel is beaten over it. This is how 
prototyping is done and you can make a small number of panels before 
you destroy the mold. If anyone has damaged panels I encourage you to 
save them because as I said at some point in the future it will be 
economical to repair instead of replace so there will be a larger 
market even for damaged panels. The potential market for panels is 
small and diminishing but there is always the "totaled" car that still 
has some value in the undamaged parts. It will never be profitable to 
make NEW panels for the Delorean as the demand is too small. If a car 
is damaged the owner always has the option of using filler and 
painting the whole car. In recovering the dies there would also be the 
ugly queestion of legal ownership.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., rpeckhoff_at_dml_y... wrote:
> List,	
> 	I read the site on DMC news about the delorean dies being 
dumped as
> anchors in ards bay for a fish farm.  I was wondering what those 
dies
> were made out of and how feasible it would be to 'borrow' the dies
> back. Of course replace them with cement blocks.
> 	How feasible would it be for anyone who knows anything about 
the
> production process to refurbish the dies.  Is it possible?  Why 
would
> I want to do this? Because it is there.  Because it would make it
> possible for anyone to make the firestar 500 (The modernized
> delorean.)  It would make it much harder to get those rare quarter
> panels.  We could make new doors.
> 	So my main question is: If those dies were brought up would 
they be
> any good?
> 	I've got some connections with groups that owe me a favor.  
The
> DeLorean community might benefit by getting those back.
> 
> Rob




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:27:09 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: The Skipper Saga

In a message dated 3/30/01 5:38:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net writes:

<< How about this instead:  Never, under any circumstances, remove a
 battery cable with the engine running, major electrical component damage
 may occur.
 
 What do you think Wayne, can that go under Cautions or Electrical? >>

I don't have the electrical qualifications of the others in the debate... but 
then neither do most of the rest of the list members, no doubt.  Rule of 
thumb I'd think would be: never disconnect an electrical cable under load, 
(drawing or discharging current.)  Some might be able to do it safely, but I 
don't think I'd want to, especially standing on the nice damp ground 
alongside my driveway. No offense to those who have the expertise to do it 
otherwise!  But I've gotten buzzed more than enough working "carefully" on 
live wiring in my house or business. 8-*

-Wayne



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:38:30 -0500
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: Factory 170mph Speedo??

I was taking mine out for a drive the other day and was looking at the 170
MPH speedo.  What is nice about it is in my 5 speed, when you are at about
55-70 MPH, the speedo reads right in line with what the tach reads i.e. the
needles are in the same position in both speedo and tach.  This makes for a
nice visual as you cruise along.

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
'81 DeLorean Vin 03461 Aug.1981 NYS Lic:1981 DMC
'97 Red BMW Z3 Convertible 6 cyl, not the baby 4
'99 Ford Expedition 4x4 Eddie Bauer Edition
'01 Black PT Cruiser Limited w/Flames
Visit us at www.sacketmansion.com <http://www.sacketmansion.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Doc [mailto:doctor280_at_dml_triad.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:12 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] Factory 170mph Speedo??



Was talking with Deb at PJ's today about the 140mph mod that is out there
and she also informed me that they sell the 170mph. She said that it matched
the other gauges in the car when it is installed. I would have to say
that,most likely these Deloreans have the 170mph mod installed.

Give me a call Darren, I am already trying to take off work
Saturday....maybe I can join you.
Robert Starling
Vin#05252



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