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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 485
Date: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:32 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Firestar 500 info
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

2. Oil Change
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

3. Re: Car show form/flyer?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: boy toys/girl cars
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Pics of 170mph Speedo
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

6. Fuel Pressure Gauge
From: tucker11199_at_dml_yahoo.com

7. Battery Blues
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. RE: Car show form/flyer?
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

9. Re: Battery Blues
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>

10. Re: Battery Blues
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

11. Re: Battery Blues
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Oil Change
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

13. Re: boy toys/girl cars
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

14. Re: boy toys/girl cars
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>

15. Re: Oil Change
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

16. Re: Oil Change
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

17. Re: Firestar 500 info
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

18. Re: boy toys/girl cars
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

19. Re: do we really need a new tech site?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:36:26 EST
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Firestar 500 info

A couple weeks ago, someone made a post with some info about the (original) 
Firestar 500.  This was the first post I'd seen which contained some details 
about JZD'z plans for the car.  (After the factory parts inventory was 
liquidated, buy it back, then produce the Firestar 500 to finance the next 
vehicle, etc. etc.)  I don't know what the author's source was but I'd like 
to read more about this myself.  If anyone knows which Delorean publication 
has the best info on the F500, I'd appreciate the tip.

(Feel free to email me privately as this doesn't require a [DML] discussion)

Thanks,

Steve (VIN 2650, "Project Delorean")
www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:20:28 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Oil Change

Ok...don't blast me for this....This is a whole new thing for me!
How do you do an oil change on a DMC?  I have never done anything
mechanically to my cars before, and I know some of the basics, like:

you get the car up on ramps
open the drain plug (where is it on a DMC?)
drain the oil into a pan and close the plug again
remove the oil filter (where is it? and what tools do I need for this? what
kind of filter do I get?)
replace the filter with a new one (I remember something about lubing the new
one before you put it in or something)
add ??? number of quarts of new oil (what kind of oil is best to use?)

Anyone fill me in on the details?

Kevin Abato
VIN# 16680
Plate: BCKNTYM
Mechanic Skills:  Zero!  :)




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:26:57 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Car show form/flyer?

In a message dated 3/31/01 5:17:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net writes:

<< I've got a one page flyer in MS Word I did last year for a car show. It's
 pretty basic, but has all the necessary details.   I'd be happy to upload it
 to the DMCTech Files area, but I don't see anywhere to "add files".
  >>
Send it to me... at deloreanernst(AT)aol.com    I'll get it in.

-Wayne
DMCTech



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:22:39 -0000
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: boy toys/girl cars

> > The strangest question that I've ever been asked was something like...
>"That's a
> > girl car, isn't it?"
>
>That's funny, because for me, after the BTTF references and cocaine jokes,
>alot of people say that "the car must be a chick magnet!".  To which I
>usually reply "actually it's really a guy magnet, and most women usually
>don't even notice the car" (much to my dismay ;(  ).  But most of the time, 
>I see guys pointing out my car to their
>girlfriends who shrug their shoulders in a "that's nice, dear" sort of way.
>
>-Hank  #1619


Ever since I have had my DeLorean I have noticed just the opposite. From gas 
stations to car shows my DeLorean always attracts more women. I have carried 
on intelligent conversations with females of all ages. I find that they 
usually know more and joke less. I think the reason my DeLorean attracts so 
many at car shows is because of very careful placement. I always have the 
only DeLorean so I park right in the middle of the Pontiac GTO owners (boy 
that really irritates some of those owners). Anyway, while the 
boyfriends/husbands are looking over the ever popular muscle cars the 
girlfriends/wives get bored looking at "the same thing" so they come check 
out the DeLorean.

Now the Subaru SVX on the other hand...


Matthew David
DMC VIN 5524
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:26:00 -0600
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Pics of 170mph Speedo

Here's the location of the 170 mph speedo for those that were interested.
:-)


http://www.geocities.com/at88mph_1999/170Speedopic.JPG


Duke




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 06:43:09 -0000
From: tucker11199_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Fuel Pressure Gauge

Thanks Dave S., David T., and Bruce B for the info
on a gauge.  
Your right David, maybe the list could help diagnose
this fuel problem.  Well, here goes.
My D has spent the last two months in a shop for some
resurrection.  I didn't think it would take much since
I've never had any major problem with it.  But, it has 
been garaged and hasn't run for over two years.  I know,
I bow my head in shame, I should be flogged good master.
Anyhoo, during the time in the shop, the following has
been done:
  1.  fuel tank removed and cleaned.
  2.  new fuel pump kit, new pick-up hose, new filter
      installed.
  3.  oil and filter changed.
  4.  upon test starting, found it would initially fire
      right up, last 1, 2, maybe 3 seconds.  
      repeated this a few times and the results were the
      same each time.
      (from this I gather the cold start circuit is OK)
Long story - short -- eventually it was determined (I
hesitate to use the term "diagnosed", I think the SWAG
method was used here) to be a bad fuel distributor.  This
is too expensive a part to purchase just to "see if".
So, I trailered my D back home until I can regroup my
finances and figure a way to prove what's good and what's 
not.  To the best of my knowledge a fuel pressure qauge
was never used; and, from what I've been able to ascertain
about this K-Jetronic system, pressures and flow rates can
tell a lot of the story.
So, there it is list.  It's going to take me awhile and I
can use all the help/suggestions I can get.  
Thanks,

Tucker
16940   




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:57:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Battery Blues

Last week I posted a message about putting in my
TankZilla and then having the voltage meter on tha
dash read almost zero.... thinking there was a ground
or the alternator went out.

Today I went and restarted the car, ofcourse, my baby
started right away, and sure enough, gauge was almost
0 and dropping....

For shits and grins I turned on the headlights and it
killed the car....

I went to RadioShack and picked up a
battery/alternator tester...

The battery reads 11 volts.. and according to the
Radioshack docs (which are rather lame) means the
battery is bad...

since its reading 11 volts, can that mean the battery
is just dead - or is the battery really bad?

I will check the list first thing in the morning, but
i am going to go buy a new battery most likey in the
morning and try my luck.... a car with 4k miles
shouldnt have a prob with the alternator, and all the
belts are new.

Mike
Vin 855


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 05:44:25 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: Car show form/flyer?

I actually created one of these in Adobe FrameMaker (It's basically a
double-sided tri fold brochure) that I passed out at car shows.  I will try
and get it converted to a .PDF format that would be easy to print out. .
.it's 5:40AM and I just got home, so will try to take care of this after a
bit of sleep.  Once I get it reformatted, I will check with Dave about
getting it posted, and then if anyone has any suggestions for
additions/changes (spelling, etc.) let me know!

Thanks!

Michael C. Babb
MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA, Network+, I-Net+
mailto:Michael_at_dml_BabbTechnology.com
home: 919.303.0058
cell: 919.270.2488

-----Original Message-----
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com [mailto:at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:43 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Car show form/flyer?

With all this talk about a new tech site, how about a form or flyer with
info on the DeLorean (maybe 1 or 2 sheets) to hand out to people at car
shows?  I've heard a few people talk about doing this and I've been meaning
to, but just haven't put anything together yet. Maybe someone already has
something put together?


Duke






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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:16:12 -0400
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Blues

hello all / if you turned on the headlites and killed the motor your alt is
shot. you are welcome to contact me by email or at 919 383 6187 bob miller





-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pike <iqintermedia_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: [DML] Battery Blues


>Last week I posted a message about putting in my
>TankZilla and then having the voltage meter on tha
>dash read almost zero.... thinking there was a ground
>or the alternator went out.
>
>Today I went and restarted the car, ofcourse, my baby
>started right away, and sure enough, gauge was almost
>0 and dropping....
>
>For shits and grins I turned on the headlights and it
>killed the car....
>
>I went to RadioShack and picked up a
>battery/alternator tester...
>
>The battery reads 11 volts.. and according to the
>Radioshack docs (which are rather lame) means the
>battery is bad...
>
>since its reading 11 volts, can that mean the battery
>is just dead - or is the battery really bad?
>
>I will check the list first thing in the morning, but
>i am going to go buy a new battery most likey in the
>morning and try my luck.... a car with 4k miles
>shouldnt have a prob with the alternator, and all the
>belts are new.
>
>Mike
>Vin 855
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:23:34 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Blues

I'll probably have to get in line on this one but: Alternators are very prone
to fail, particularly the early ones.  To check a battery, disconnect a
cable, charge it up and see if it holds the charge for a day or two (charges
usually tend to leak off with a bad battery)( Or just take it into a local
garage they'll usually put a tester on it and tell you, free of charge).  Try
your meter again and see if it's holding around 12.5 volts or so.  Reconnect
the cable and put a drain on it (turn on the headlights) for maybe half an
hour (you can always recharge), test for voltage again.  It sounds like a bad
alternator, or connection to it, but it never hurts to have a new battery
(unless you happen to get a defective one in which case you'll really go
bananas).

Les

Michael Pike wrote:

> Last week I posted a message about putting in my
> TankZilla and then having the voltage meter on tha
> dash read almost zero.... thinking there was a ground
> or the alternator went out.
>
> Today I went and restarted the car, ofcourse, my baby
> started right away, and sure enough, gauge was almost
> 0 and dropping....
>
> For shits and grins I turned on the headlights and it
> killed the car....
>
> I went to RadioShack and picked up a
> battery/alternator tester...
>
> The battery reads 11 volts.. and according to the
> Radioshack docs (which are rather lame) means the
> battery is bad...
>
> since its reading 11 volts, can that mean the battery
> is just dead - or is the battery really bad?
>
> I will check the list first thing in the morning, but
> i am going to go buy a new battery most likey in the
> morning and try my luck.... a car with 4k miles
> shouldnt have a prob with the alternator, and all the
> belts are new.
>
> Mike
> Vin 855
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:03:41 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Battery Blues

Michael, More than likly the alternator is gone. Like Les said, Test the 
battery or go buy a new one then test the alternator. I am putting a battery 
testor and voltage tester with a 100 amp load on the web site within a couple 
of days. Maby even tonight. Your welcome to call about the problem. 
972-564-9321.
John hervey, Dallas Area.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:38:15 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Oil Change

[Moderator's note: you'll notice the engine takes just under 7 quarts of oil so don't forget that's how much will be drained out. Have a big enough pan or it's going to get messy on your garage floor.]



Oil change basics for a DeLorean:

1) Order a filter and a Snap-On drain plug adapter from any of the parts
suppliers (Houston, Grady, etc). There are cross-references on the filter,
but since this is your first time you want things to go smoothly. Same for
the adapter. It is for the drain plug which has an 8mm square hole in it
instead of a hex head like most plugs. The adapter fits a 3/8" drive
ratchet and has the square end for the plug. You can make a tool for this,
but it takes some mechanical know-how to do it. Much better to buy the tool
and have it.

2) Once the parts get to you, run the engine for a bit to get it to
operating temperature and also to circulate the oil so that all the crud
and dirt get suspended in the oil and will drain with it.

3) You could put the car up on ramps, but I find it works better to just
use a jack and jackstands. You don't need to lift it far. I have done an
oil change on mine without even jacking it up, but it was a tight fit.
However you do it, just BE SAFE!!

4) Put a pan under the oil pan and take out the drain plug. It faces the
front of the car so you can't see it unless you get under it. Use the
adapter you bought to remove the plug. Once the oil has drained to just a
trickle, clean the plug off with a rag and put it back in. Snug, but don't
over tighten.

5) Remove the old oil filter. It is on the right side of the engine next to
the alternator. Very easy to get to and easy to spot if you just look up
from under the car. I recommend an original type filter for this first
time. After that you can consider some of the cross-reference filters if
you want to. But if you want to be absolutely sure of things, just use an
original every time. It's more expensive, but not by enough to really
matter. Anyway, remove the old one. Go to your local auto parts store and
get a basic loop type filter wrench. There is lots of room on the DeLorean,
so you don't need anything real special. Have your drain pan under it as it
will leak oil. Wipe the sealing surface at the engine block off with a rag
to remove any dirt. Dip your finger in one of your new oil bottles and
smear a light coating on the gasket of the new filter. This lubricates it
so it doesn't pull off while tightening. Screw the new filter on. It should
be hand tight. Not too loose, but don't put a wrench on it and really crank
or you won't get it off next time.

6) Add the new oil. The filler is on the left side of the engine and
doesn't look like most fillers. It is the thing sticking up with a couple
of hoses running into it. It just lifts out. The engine should take right
at 7 quarts of oil with a filter change. I usually add a little over 6.5
quarts, then start the engine for a couple of minutes. Stop it, check for
leaks at the filter, then use the dip stick to determine just how much oil
to add to top it off properly. What type of oil??? You'll get about as many
different answers as there are people on the list. The Owners Manual lists
4 different weights of oil for temps ranging from 2 deg to 102 deg F. I go
with the 10W-40 recommendation. I personally use Castrol GTX oil. Really
any major brand will do. You could even go with a synthetic. I don't on
this car due to it's age. Older seals are slightly more prone to leaking,
and with a synthetic you tend to leak more due to all the molecules being
the same size. I stick with a conventional oil. If you change regularly it
will be just fine.

Hmmm ... I got kind of wordy, but I think this covers everything. Just be
careful when you are under the car. BE SAFE! And double check yourself on
things like putting the drain plug back in. Always check for leaks after
running the engine for a few minutes.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 08:20 PM 3/31/01 -0500, Kevin Abato wrote:
>Ok...don't blast me for this....This is a whole new thing for me!
>How do you do an oil change on a DMC?  I have never done anything
>mechanically to my cars before, and I know some of the basics, like:
>
<snip>

>Anyone fill me in on the details?
>
>Kevin Abato
>VIN# 16680
>Plate: BCKNTYM
>Mechanic Skills:  Zero!  :)
>



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:07:30 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: boy toys/girl cars

I know what you mean.  Most of the girls I know call my car "ugly" or won't
even give it a second glance (rather dissapointing).  But men on the other
hand will stare and point all the time.  I even had a guy leave a restuarant
in the middle of dinner just so he could ask me questions about it in the
parking lot.

Payne
VIN 2975
> That's funny, because for me, after the BTTF references and cocaine jokes,
> alot of people say that "the car must be a chick magnet!".  To which I
> usually reply "actually it's really a guy magnet, and most women usually
> don't even notice the car" (much to my dismay ;(  ).  Only once were there
> two women in a Saab convertible totally checking out the D , and let me
know
> they thought I had a cool car.  Boy that was fun, wish it would happen
more
> often.  But most of the time, I see guys pointing out my car to their
> girlfriends who shrug their shoulders in a "that's nice, dear" sort of
way.
>
> -Hank  #1619
>





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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:33:56 -0800
From: Trevor L Johnson <comet4055_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: boy toys/girl cars


In the US, there is a surprisingly high amount of women who own
DeLoreans. And there are a lot more out there that are just as
enthusiastic about them as men. Most couples I know of that own a
DeLorean, its just as much the Wives car as it is the Husband's, more so
even. I don't think the D appeals to the males sex only, its just there
are more guys that own the car.


Trevor Johnson
DMC #'s 4055 and 6974
www.geocities.com/dmc6974
www.deloreanstore.com
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:11:55 -0800
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Change

FYI, at least for a time, Castrol GTX was one of only 2 american oils allowed by Porsche, (that would still maintain warranty status).  The other was not a well known brand, I don't remember what it was.
(My wooden nickel's worth) Castrol GTX at the top, Pennzoil at the bottom.  Don't know about synthetics.

Good basic write up, only thing I do a little different, I've always filled the oil filter with oil in a vertical situation and on a horizontal I put in what I think I can get away with without dumping it
on the ground.  Just an old habit to make the oil pumps' job a little easier and get the oil circulating faster.  As to hand tightening the filter, never worked for me, kept getting leaks (must not have
gorilla hands) always snug it up a bit tighter than hand tight...no leaks, no problems.

Les

Mark Noeltner wrote:

> [Moderator's note: you'll notice the engine takes just under 7 quarts of oil so don't forget that's how much will be drained out. Have a big enough pan or it's going to get messy on your garage floor.]
>
> Oil change basics for a DeLorean:
>




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:10:28 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Change

Excellent writeup! I used to do one thing differently, and I'm not sure how
many people actually do this, but it's standard practice at De Lorean Motor
Company. We use a copper seal washer with the drain plug. Item #11 on page
1-1-3 of the parts manual (part #102101).

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas 

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

> From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
> Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:38:15 -0500
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com,delorean_at_dml_abato.net
> Subject: Re: [DML] Oil Change
> 
> 4) Put a pan under the oil pan and take out the drain plug. It faces the
> front of the car so you can't see it unless you get under it. Use the
> adapter you bought to remove the plug. Once the oil has drained to just a
> trickle, clean the plug off with a rag and put it back in. Snug, but don't
> over tighten.




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:42:07 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Firestar 500 info


DML,

    Another DMC owner, Brad Vincent and I stumbled on the tooling to produce 
the fiberglass underbody for the DeLorean. 
    In addition to finding the molds, we found documentation related to 
reproducing the stainless steel panels for the car.  There were hundreds of 
letters and information related to the reproduction of the panels.
        There are companies and especially important, the talent to reproduce 
the stainless steel panels with or without the molds.
    Evidently, JZD almost went into production in Columbus Ohio. Former KAPAC 
parts manager Jerry Rhine explained the circumstances to the final end of the 
DMC-12.
    DeLorean had investors and the working capitol ready to start production 
in Ohio...however as the story goes, one of the investors backed out for a 
number of reasons (Divorce) and the rest is history.

Mike Pack



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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:00:18 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: boy toys/girl cars



    There is another owner here in Maryland that purchased her DMC when she 
was 20 years old. Evidently she and I purchased our DeLoreans at the same 
time.
    She drove her car everyday at the University of Virginia and still drives 
the car.



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:54:30 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: do we really need a new tech site?

In a message dated 3/29/01 10:09:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com writes:

<< What exactly is the goal of the new DMCTech mailing list? 
 Is it going to be a "bin" for people to submit ideas for a Startup 
 Guide for the DeLorean? Or is this going to be a 2nd version of the 
 DML? I can understand creating a bulletin board to post ideas to. 
 That way you can keep both an online record, and you can have people 
 further elaborate on those ideas as things progress. Or is this going 
 to be a tech list where people can post problems with thier cars, and 
 then have technical advice offered? If so, then that's already here 
 on the DML. I'm not saying anything in an attempt to knock anyone or 
 their ideas. It's just that not only is the DML already in place, but 
 we have many people here who just by reading the daily postings alone 
 are able to "proofread" advice and repair procedures for inaccuracies 
 and so forth. There are many list members here who come from all 
 walks of life. In their own ways they provide unique information 
 along with common knowlege that helps to aid us all with specific 
 areas of our cars. 2 lists are too many too keep track of.
  >>

Good questions.  No, it's not a "bin" or a second DML, or a place to ask 
personalized questions. And yes, two lists may be too much.  Actually, even 
the DML itself is too much.  That's why I have a separate screen name just 
for the DML. Otherwise, any personal message I get could get avalanched. 
Aren't you glad the DML is moderated!  A substantial number of posts never 
make it to the List.

DMCTech is basically an ever growing FAQ resource housing, ultimately, I 
hope, the largest collection of otherwise not-in-print DeLorean repair, 
upgrade, diagnostic and maintenance data in an easily accessible, usable form.

I love the DML. I post all the time. But I can never find anything in the 
vault.  It's like looking for a needle in a virtual haystack. Sheesh!  Easier 
to re-ask the same question, for most people. Why?  Because e-mail titles 
often don't really reflect content. Posts often contain several disparate 
ideas. And they're organized chronologically, not topically.  Imagine if you 
had to use a phone book that was organized not alphabetically, but 
chronologically according to when people got a telephone. Now imagine it 
doesn't list their real name. Any nickname, the pet's name. Anything.  That's 
how people post to the DML.  It's not a flaw... it's just the way it is.  And 
that's the way DMCTech won't be.  Everything incoming will be identified 
logically, (the way I renamed this post for reply... you know exactly what 
it's about,) and cropped of extraneous matter.  If two lists is too much, 
just set up an additional screen name, with a digest delivery, and ignore it. 
 That way you have access, but never need to look at it if you don't want to. 
OK?

For the fastest and best answer, don't email DMCTech. Ask your vendor.  Or 
look in the DMCTech files. Or ask a question on the DML.  Vendor is best, but 
not available 24/7. DMCTech is faster than waiting for someone to answer on 
the DML. And DML can get you an answer at all odd hours whether the answer is 
in print at DMCTech or not. Plus DML has a thousand subscribers, who could 
possibly answer.  DMCTech has 59 at present, probably all of whom are already 
on, and will stay on, the DML where they can and will still answer questions 
that come up. It's not a competing site.
Any questions?

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech




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