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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 489
Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:23 AM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re:Was discharge rate for stored battery- Now Battery Care
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

2. Re: oil plug socket
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. RE: new owner/fuel pump problem
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

4. Do regulators/solenoids at same time?
From: nbrommer_at_dml_krem.com

5. re: oil plug socket
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_performconsulting.com>

6. Travel buddy to Ireland? (update)
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. Ireland Tour.
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

8. Fuel Injector Test
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

9. Re: Do regulators/solenoids at same time?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Spring Social/Hotel Info...
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Nose bra?
From: "DENNIS C. SCHLIECKAU,JR." <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>

12. Re: Fuel Injector Test
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net

13. Re: Typical discharge rate for a stored battery
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com

14. Re: Ireland Tour & cheap www. site
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

15. Who owns a DMC in SD
From: s_spartz_at_dml_hotmail.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 03:51:48 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re:Was discharge rate for stored battery- Now Battery Care

The best way to care for your battery if you don't intend to use the 
car for more than around 30 days is to remove it from the car. It 
gives you the chance to clean everything and keep it in a warm place 
charged up. As a battery discharges naturaly (I am not sure of the 
rate) the temperature at which it can freeze goes up. So if you left 
the battery to go dead and the car is stored outside in the cold the 
battery will not only be dead but will have frozen. Even though it 
will thaw out when warm it is now damaged and will not hold a full 
charge if it holds any at all. Never store on concrete-put it on a 
piece of wood.(I don't know why but it will discharge faster if left 
directly on concrete.) Once a month hook up a trickle charger for 1 
day to keep it fully charged. Before reinstalling load test and 
clean.After 4-5 years suspect that the battery will not hold 80% full 
charge. If you are careful never to let the battery discharge more 
than 50% it can last as long as 10 years.(you can't let it overheat 
either but on a Delorean that's not usually a problem!) A bad 
alternater can overcharge it though and that will cause it to overheat 
and kill it quicker than sh-t.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., CBL302_at_dml_m... wrote:
> The Golden rule to remember about automotive batteries(lead acid 
> batteries)is that they discharge at the rate of 1%(one percent)(for 
a 
> good,fully charged battery)a day,that means that if you let your car 
> sit for a typical month(31 days)your battery is 31%(thirty one 
> percent) discharged,after 100 days of sitting unstarted your battery 
> is 100 percent discharged.It also depends on your climate,the colder 
> the climate(the lower the temperature) the more CCA's(Cold Cranking 
> Amps) you will need to crank over your engine,(meaning that a 
battery 





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: oil plug socket


The drain tool adapter is made by Snap-On.  Their
tools are not cheap, but they last forever.  I think I
paid about $16 for mine off the Snap-On truck.

Dick Ryan

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:06:52 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: new owner/fuel pump problem

Your question has been repeatedly answered very well, but I would like to
add one thought - if you just spent that much at FAME, why not talk to them
about the problem?.  Did they work on the pump?  Brad Bean at FAME is a
great guy and a supporter of PNDC.  In fact there will be a PNDC Tech
Session there on April 28.  You might even see a supercharged DeLorean
there.....

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
McCleary, WA




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:55:04 -0000
From: nbrommer_at_dml_krem.com
Subject: Do regulators/solenoids at same time?

I'm about to have the window regulators replaced in my car, and 
obviously it would be easiest to replace the lock solenoids at the 
same time. But, how much more labor intensive is it to wait to do the 
doors at a later time? And, are the solenoids something I should have 
a professional do?

Nick
VIN 3092




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:04:41 -0400
From: "Eric J. Hennebury" <ehennebury_at_dml_performconsulting.com>
Subject: re: oil plug socket

I just wanted to point out that you're not getting fleeced by paying $20 for this tool.  You won't save much, if any, buying this directly from Snap-on.  One thing I have noticed though is that it's quite a challenge to fit this socket into the drain plug with the drive attached.  I can see how a ground down drive might be an easier fit.  Do others have this difficulty, or is my oil pan just closer to my frame cross member than most?

Eric Hennebury
VIN 17065

<snip>I like to be supportive of the DMC Dealers, but $20 for the socket is a little too much for me <snip>






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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:57:37 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Travel buddy to Ireland? (update)

I just found out that the special rate that ends on the 5th was just 
extended to the 10th, but it's subject to availability. I'd like to book 
asap, so if anyone is interested, please let me know ASAP. Thanks.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 12:36:35 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Ireland Tour.

I found this Ireland tour:
http://www.ttusa.trafalgartours.com/Britain_and_Ireland/iriha.htm  It is $620 a
person and even includes a few meals.

There are dates that work nicely with the Belfast events.  This tour goes from
May 18 - May 24, with plenty of time to take the train from Dublin to Belfast on
May 24 for the scheduled 7:30 dinner.


In combination with the Sceptre tour flight of $388+$55 to Dublin, this works
out to be a nice deal.



For those of us trying to stay in a budget, I would also like to point out that
the hotel in Belfast is quite expensive.  According to what I calculate, it will
be over $500 to stay for 4 nights at the hotel.  Add this in with the $330 for
the (2) event registrations and I start to wonder how I am going to pay for all
of this!  Especially with my Lucent stock down to $5 today!



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:39:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Fuel Injector Test

Can anyone suggest a way to test my fuel injectors for proper operation?


Also, I was just in my distributor this weekend and found that putting it
back together was slightly harder than taknig it apart... There's three
notches (slots) on the shaft-  I believe the two circlips sit in the lower
and upper slots... though now it's back together, it seems that the rotating
keyed plate sits much lower than before- almost resting right on the coil. 
If anyone knows what i'm talking about, could you tell me if my circlips are
in the right slots?

duh
1537






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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:45:04 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Do regulators/solenoids at same time?

In a message dated 4/4/01 9:41:46 AM Central Daylight Time, nbrommer_at_dml_krem.com 
writes:


> I'm about to have the window regulators replaced in my car, and 
> obviously it would be easiest to replace the lock solenoids at the 
> same time. But, how much more labor intensive is it to wait to do the 
> doors at a later time? And, are the solenoids something I should have 
> a professional do?
> 
> Nick
> 


Hello Nick,

you are right about doing as much door stuff as possible when you have them 
open.  it's pretty tight in there and the doors can be kind of tricky.  a 
couple months ago i did exactly that you propose.  the solenoids are 100x 
simpler than the regulators.  the regulators took myself and Jim Reeve at 
least three hours to get right.  the solenoids virtually screw right in with 
NO effort.  do them while you have the chance, you'll be happy you did. i 
know i am!

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:54:15 -1000
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Spring Social/Hotel Info...

Some DeLorean owners have e-mailed me to let me know they are coming from 
long distances to attend the Spring Social event here in NJ on the 21st of 
this month. So, I'm going to get some hotel info for those of you who plan 
on staying one or two nights. I'd like to get a count of who is in need of a 
hotel room so I can go to the hotel manager and maybe get a special rate 
and/or have a wing reserved for DeLorean owners only. So, if you plan on 
getting a room in the hotel here, please e-mail me at Danrc30(at)hotmail.com 
so I have a rough idea of how many are planning on coming out. I'll post the 
hotel info to the list when I get it. Thank you.

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "DENNIS C. SCHLIECKAU,JR." <dcsj_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Nose bra?



Hey Wayne 

Spring is fast approaching and summer will be here before you know it. 
What do you think about pursueing a new list of 10 or more people that want 
a new nose bra. The dreaded BUG season is on the way. 

Count me as one. 

Thanks 
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:22:47 -0000
From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net
Subject: Re: Fuel Injector Test

Without a fuel injector tester the only thing you can do is remove all 
of the injectors, leave them connected to the fuel distributer, put 
each in a container to catch the fuel, disconnect the ignition coil, 
and try to start the motor. Observe each for a cone-shaped pattern and 
compare the amount of fuel each injector puts out. This is a more 
dangerous and less precise way of checking the injectors. If the 
engine is not idling smoothly, ie: it seems to have a "bump" or dead 
spot then you may have a bad or dirty injector. It would be best to 
send out to a vendor so they can test and clean the injectors. The 
injector tester can give you the precise operating pressures which 
also affect idle quality, if they are not all close to each other you 
can't tell that directly any other way.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a way to test my fuel injectors for proper 
operation?
> 
> 





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:44:01 -0000
From: CBL302_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Re: Typical discharge rate for a stored battery

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., sand131_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Dear Claude:
> The 1% per day Rule is interesting But can you tell us where you 
got it? The 
> reason I ask is that I disconnect my battery every fall and start 
the car in 
> the spring when the battery should be aprox 125% discharged?
> Ralph
> VIN 1606 since 1985
> 
> 
 Yes,that is the basic average that a typical lead acid battery 
discharges,it could devate with a gel type car battery,( and your 
results may devate somewhat)but again it also depends on your climate 
conditions,if it is always in a warm climate (Hawaii,Flordia ect)it 
might be a less percentage,a colder climate (Alaska,Canada ect)it 
might be a higher percentage,the reason for this is that the battery 
is an electrochemical device and,as is the case with virtually all 
chemical actions,it is aided by heat(temperture),Example,if the 
capacity of a CCA of a battery at 80 Degrees is given as 100 
percent,at 32 degrees the capacity will be only 65 percent and at 0 
Deg.only 40 percent..Remember,that a lead-acid battery is not a 
storage tank for electricity,but is a electrochemical device for 
converting chemical energy into electrical energy,and the more it 
sits idle(not being charged)the more the lead plates absorb the 
electrolyte(sulphuric acid)at a typical 1%(one percent) a day (your 
results may vary somewhat) until you start the process of chemical 
reaction(charging the battery,by running the engine) Where I got the 
info on Discharge rate?I remember reading it in a Book about 
automotive batteries. 

Claude 
000570 







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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:59:12 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Ireland Tour & cheap www. site

In a message dated 4/4/01 5:01:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com writes:

<< For those of us trying to stay in a budget, I would also like to point out 
that
 the hotel in Belfast is quite expensive.  According to what I calculate, it 
will
 be over $500 to stay for 4 nights at the hotel.  >>

That's why my son Richard and I are staying at an inexpensive hotel in London 
on the way back. "No facilities" meaning no in-room shower or bathroom. It's 
down the hall. $80. for for the two of us one night, right at Picadilly 
Circus, which is central and handy to everything including the Underground 
(subway). Found it on the same website as the plane we booked: 
www.easyjet.com which was recommended by Rob Lamrock. Our passports also came 
today, I'm happy to say. :)

Wayne A. Ernst
DMCTech
vin 11174



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:13:57 -0000
From: s_spartz_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Who owns a DMC in SD

I was wondering if anyone on this group happens to live near SD.
I know that andy is in Fargo and plan on visiting him this summer to 
see his D.

I was hoping that there is another lucky person close to me that also 
owns a dmc that would be willing to put up with another wanabe DMC 
owner.

Thanks 

PS I also posted a message on the MNDMC list so if you are on that 
list and on this you only need to reply once :)




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