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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 496
Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:39 AM

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There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Ground effects...

2. Revision to Two-Tone Interiors...2-Tone Seats!
From: Robert Greenhaw <>

3. Re: Timing plate/ distributor

4. impossibly high fuel pressure?

5. Re: How many Deloreans?
From: "David Swingle" <>

From: Les Huckins <>

7. Re: Revision to Two-Tone Interiors...2-Tone Seats!

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:06:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: Ground effects...

There are several different ground effect packages that is or that were 
available from different vendors.  These packages are all different in 
configuration and looks.

I got my ground effect package from Rob at PJ Grady and I had him installed 
it some 4 3/4 plus years ago, right after I purchased my DeLorean.  I also 
had the front, lowered 1 1/2" with the spring kit-package by PJ Grady's at 
the same time.

Advantages with the ground effect?  It makes the DeLorean looks "faster and 
aggressive" (too bad, it is not as fast as it looks).  With the side pieces 
installed, the body of the DeLorean stays cleaner and it handles better.  You 
don't get pushed of the road when you get hit by "cross wind" while driving 
high speed.  

Disadvantages?  Makes the DeLorean looks "bottom heavy" and from the back, it 
looks "fat."  There is a front spoiler piece that is made of fiberglass.  If 
the nose bottoms out -- IT WILL BREAK OR CRACK.  Word of advice, do install 
this piece, for you will be replacing or repairing it often.  If you need a 
front spoiler, get the rubber one from JC Whitney (cheaper too).  You have to 
be very artistic and mechanical "able," to install this part so it will look 
"correct."  Also, do remember and keep this in mind, your DeLorean will NOT 
BE ORIGINAL once all this ground effects are installed -- Unless, you remove 
them and restore all the original parts.  

If any one is interested what my DeLorean looks like, e-mail private and I 
will forward pics of my car.

Kayo Ong
Lic. 9D  NY

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:29:50 -0500
From: Robert Greenhaw <>
Subject: Revision to Two-Tone Interiors...2-Tone Seats!

Hi list...
  It seems most folks thought I was talking about the carpet/ seat
combination in later '83' no, I am talking about two-tone SEATS!
The seats are gray and black...and lemme tell you, they are truly

  Go check out and study the pics of the custom D. 
tell me what the owner did to perform such a cool it a leather
dye, or some
experiment with left-over parts at the factory in the '80's?
  Also, did the '83's come with those tight chromed rims?

Thanks to all who have responded, though.  I'm sure it has given
newcomers a greater
insight into the wild, wonderful world of DeLoreans.  

Thanks guys,
Robert G.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:22:26 -0000
Subject: Re: Timing plate/ distributor

To reinstall the distributer refer to M:01:02 in the workshop manual. 
There is also a good picture of the calibrated bracket. A common error 
in reinstalling a distributer is to be 180 degrees off. With the #1 
cyl at TDC on compression stroke the rotor in the distributer should 
be pointing in at least the general direction of the wire going to 
cylinder #1. 
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> I just 'fixed' my distributor, now my car runs 0% of the time, 
instead of
> the previous 5%.  I was going to try to check on the timing, but 
since the
> car won't run or idle, this is quite difficult.  Is there a 
> of the distributor where it should be close enough to run?
> Also- my timing plate- I highly suspect- is not stock.  Is there any 
> someone could take a picture of the timing plate and post it/send it 
to me? 
> I'm curious about where 0 (TDC) is located.  The plate on mine is 
very large
> and the '0' seems a little further left than I would have expected. 
 I may
> have to realign the timing plate- anyone have any pointers for 
finding TDC
> for cylinder 1?
> Jim


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:23:55 EDT
Subject: impossibly high fuel pressure?

Hello All,

in my quest for getting my car started again, i was fortunate enough to find 
a kind soul on the DML who sent me his pressure testing kit so i could check 
my car out.  here is what i found:

engine will crank, turn over, and spark.  fuel is getting to the cylinders, 
about one drip every two seconds.  frequency valve is working and the cold 
start valve works correctly.

resting pressure - 2.75 - 3.5 bar

pressure upon jumping the RPM relay for the pump - 7.5 - 8.0 bar. fluctuates 
about twice a second between those numbers.  bad pump?

pressure upon turning ignition key and trying to start - about 6.5 - 7.0 bar. 
jumps around.

here are some notes i should relate:
1.  my fuel pump through this whole ordeal has been making sick noises.  it 
has been sounding like it fluctuates in pitch.  it sounds like rrooowwuh, 
rrrooowwuh, rrooowuh.  you get the picture. it is not a steady noise like a 
fan.  i understand this is wrong.  so i disconnected my pickup hose and since 
my gas is so high in my tank (about 4/5 full) i was able to drop my fuel pump 
in and it was partially submerged.  i then jumped the pump and it sounded 
better for a few seconds, sounding like it should, but then it gets worse, 
but never as bad as with the hose.  so i probably have a broken/collapsed 
hose.  ok.  but that doesn't explain the high fuel pressure.

2.  when my car first started this situation,  i pulled the pump to clean it 
up.  i found that a previous owner lost the rubber cover for the pump and 
there was now a good inch of murky water in the boot, covering the terminals. 
 i removed the pump, cleaned it, and let it dry.  my dad and i tested the 
pump by hooking it right up to a battery and ran it dry for about 5 seconds 
at the longest.  this was probably dumb, but too late. could this have 
damaged my fuel pump so severely that it would have no internal regulation 

3.  if the pump were indeed bad, that doesn't answer the high pressure 
question.  let's go back to the function of the primary pressure regulator in 
the fuel distributer.  this part is supposed to regulate the system pressure 
from the distributer onward.  it functions by throwing out extra fuel to the 
return lines, and only keeping enough fuel to go through the feed lines which 
correspond to the correct pressure for the fuel injection.  i understand that 
the fuel pressure is within specs if it is between 4.8-5.5 bar, in those 
whereabouts.  target range is 5.1-5.3 bar.  if my pressure between my fuel 
distributer and my control pressure regulator is a whopping 7.5-8.0 bar, that 
would imply that i have ABSOLUTELY NO REGULATION AT ALL through my entire 
system.  therefore my fuel distributer failed overnight and the primary 
pressure is faulty.

4.  however i do not believe the above situation has occured.  i removed the 
spring and bolt pieces from the fuel distributer (the actual heart of the 
primary pressure regulator) and lo and behold, they where clean as new, with 
absolutely no signs of wear or damage.  there were no metal shreds or 
anything in the gas that came out when i pulled the spring out.  i do not 
believe my primary pressure has failed. something else is very wrong.  also, 
according to DMCJoe and Steven Wynne, there has never been a known case that 
they have come across of this part failing in this manner.  NEVER.

i am really throwing my hands up in the air on this one.  it seems i have an 
impossible problem and i've done everything i can to diagnose it with tools.  
the only thing else to do is to start swapping very expensive parts just to 
'see if it does the trick', however i do not have that kind of money.  

anyone out there have any good ideas on what my problem could be?!?!  you've 
all been very helpful in the past on this problem, but i keep on finding out 
that what i just tested isn't the problem.  i've got impossibly high 
pressure, assuming the primary pressure regulator is functioning, and there 
seems to be no explanation for it.

i heard Marty Maier (sp?) rebuilds fuel distributers.  maybe he can help me 
out? if the moderator could CC this message to him, that would be very 
helpful i think.  

any ideas out there????

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 04:44:08 -0000
From: "David Swingle" <>
Subject: Re: How many Deloreans?

Not to mention (what the hey  - I'll mention it) Knut's FAQ at

Click on the "historical" tab - more production number info that you 
ever wanted to know. And a good example of why you took statistics.  
If you've never read throught the entire FAQ, prepare to use up about 
an hour. This truly answers MANY of the questions frequently asked on 
the list. 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., theshovel1224_at_dml_y... wrote:
> I don't mean to be rude, but:
> Here is another case of the situation where if people would
> bother to check in the archives because I covered this about
> a month ago in post #15741


Message: 6
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:07:52 -0700
From: Les Huckins <>
Subject: Re: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT DMCNews and DMCTech

Valid point!  Touches upon something that has been circling in my thought
processor.  Some of the main questions concern fuel, idle circuits, and to a
lesser degree, ignition.  No list answers or tech answers will likely suffice
due to space considerations.  What is called for is a detailed pamphlet,
separate from all other sources.  Properly done, quite a few pages would be
involved.  Those pamphlets could then be sold, donated, or whatever, with due
credit given authorship. wrote:

> As it is right now, the DMCTech site is still young, but does show
> some potential, along with a few questions. However, I am more then
> just a bit concerned about one thing: copyright. 


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:46:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Revision to Two-Tone Interiors...2-Tone Seats!

In a message dated 4/9/01 11:31:07 PM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> Go check out and study the pics of the custom D. 
> Please
> tell me what the owner did to perform such a cool it a leather
> dye, or some
> experiment with left-over parts at the factory in the '80's?

The seats were never two-tone from the factory.  however it is possible to 
redye them, and who knows what the dealers were doing when they couldn't even 
give away DeLoreans towards the end....

and no, chrome wheels were not an option. mine were chromed by a previous 
owner though.  looks very nice if done correctly!  the 83's are just like all 
the others with the exception of the power antenna added in late 1981/early 
1982 and then the plain hood w/o grooves or fuel flap, which was introduced 
in 1982 also.  the 82 and 83 model year cars are identical, unless someone 
can prove me wrong!  there are some minor technical changes between 81 and 82 
though, however most changes occured whenever it was convenient and not at a 
model year change.

the only options were manual or auto tranny, and then the ski rack, sheepskin 
seat covers, and plush floor mats. the car is pretty loaded before that 

1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102

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